How To Spot a 1983 Doubled Die Reverse Penny Worth Money

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  • @ellenhumphrey5469
    @ellenhumphrey5469 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Fantastic info. I have one. Off to check for the scratching by Liberty. I’m 99% sure though bc it’s much lighter in the exact area you mentioned. I’m a novice but have been memorizing for years. Your videos are to the point and informative. Thanks again

  • @macemartinez3699
    @macemartinez3699 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    How lucky can I be? I found 11 pennies on the street, and one of them is that 1983 Double Dye (rear) and Double Dye Front (like new)

    • @wesleyferrari8116
      @wesleyferrari8116 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hi, I've been looking to this videos and I have many coins ,do u think it's true? Because if it is we are going to make a lot of money 💰😅

  • @jrduke45
    @jrduke45 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    World Numismatics I have a ton of respect for you for taking your time out of your day to teach others about ways they can possibly make money if there serious about it. Me personally I'm a big-time coin collector and coin roll searcher. But much respect to you sir, you teach me alot and I'm sure you do others as well.👍

  • @paulbruney1072
    @paulbruney1072 ปีที่แล้ว

    Another one out of thousands I have to keep reviewing! Have a good evening Sir Numidian!

  • @jrduke45
    @jrduke45 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    One could think those die scratches are actually that the coin has been cleaned I bet. And as always, thanks World Numismatics!

  • @paulbruney1704
    @paulbruney1704 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for more information on this variety! Have a great day Sir !

  • @yoloman6850
    @yoloman6850 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great info thank you.Can you answer a question please...i came across a 1971d Kennedy half dollar that consistently weighs 11.007g. I know they're supposed to weigh 11.34g & vary to a degree but are they supposed to vary that much? Any help is much appreciated thank you. Have a safe & Merry Christmas!

    • @worldnumismaticnews
      @worldnumismaticnews  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Underweight halfes are certainly not common, but they do exist. There are a few causes for this. the most common is a coin that was struck on the wrong stock. They've been found on quarter and dollar stock before, these would typically be slightly thinner - accounting for the weight differential. If the coin is badly worn it could also have been acid treated, which would be unfortunate.
      Thanx for watching

    • @yoloman6850
      @yoloman6850 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@worldnumismaticnews Thank you for the insight. The diameter meets specification within variance(albeit i am not a professional)at 30.58mm-30.62mm. Thickness is somewhat consistent to 2.07mm which am not sure if that would be an acceptable difference when specification is supposed to be 2.15mm. Far as condition it clearly looks circulated & is slightly worn but to me does not appear to have been dipped.

  • @vuthach8797
    @vuthach8797 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Please let me know do we looking for about 1983 ddr_001 or ddo and ddr.thank you so much

  • @paulbruney5091
    @paulbruney5091 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Have you heard of a 2011 DDO with doubling on Lincoln's face and neck? I have one Red but not sure what to call it.

  • @IKnewMickey
    @IKnewMickey 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Cool coin and great info. It's interesting that this variety was struck by a single die pair.
    I'm a huge fan of DDO and TDO buffalo nickels. I have a 1937 TDO buffalo. Bought it for 25$. I'd guess a grade of ms62. Someone recognized it as special many years ago and removed it from circulation. I've owned it less than 5 yrs.

  • @eugeniadelacruz3405
    @eugeniadelacruz3405 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for your time in the culture of numismatic info ...talking about the value of a coin...do you suppose to carefully clean it yes or not..?! If so ..what procedure is the most recommended?!

    • @worldnumismaticnews
      @worldnumismaticnews  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Oh no, please do not clean your coins at all. It is likely to leave micro abrasions that serious collectors will pick up on and really devaluate the coin.
      Thanx for watching

    • @jrduke45
      @jrduke45 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      If you're set on cleaning them get a product called E-Zest. You should be able to get it from any coin shop.

    • @jrduke45
      @jrduke45 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      But I wouldn't. I never clean any of mine.

  • @tonyp6534
    @tonyp6534 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I have 2 of them how can I put them on auction how to go about it help .

    • @worldnumismaticnews
      @worldnumismaticnews  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Are they graded?
      Thanx for watching

    • @jrduke45
      @jrduke45 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Gotta be graded and Google someone like Heritage auctions and give them a call or just sell it yourself on eBay or one of the FB selling groups.

  • @marthasiggins4118
    @marthasiggins4118 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent program & very helpful.Thanks

  • @shawnjerome8599
    @shawnjerome8599 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I don't know if I told you this yet but I really like the new intro,nummy, very classy

    • @worldnumismaticnews
      @worldnumismaticnews  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you Shawn - Much appreciated.
      Thanx for watching

  • @themoneyman3766
    @themoneyman3766 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thanks, like your vd a lot; very clear to understand & the way you exp... Super!!! thanks 4. HP holidays.👍👍👍 good luck always.👌.

    • @worldnumismaticnews
      @worldnumismaticnews  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Appreciate the feedback and support!
      Thanx for watching

  • @jovendimayuga1459
    @jovendimayuga1459 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for info,i have a1983 coin.i will ask the grading,how to sell?

  • @sissy5667
    @sissy5667 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I have the 83 with all those scratches and also it looks like the roof is caved in on the reverse it looks like the number eight is smeared up above the rest of the numbers I would really love to sell

  • @traceymichelewertman606
    @traceymichelewertman606 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    How do I cash them for the value?

  • @TheYooperGirlAmySmith
    @TheYooperGirlAmySmith 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Awesome info! Thank you! :)

  • @itzzzsss
    @itzzzsss ปีที่แล้ว

    I noticed that in doubling on pennies, the all copper version, i see alot on the reverse side "..America". Been searching since 2013 on and off, and only found a few. Found zero on CAM/WAM

  • @alfredoizar5815
    @alfredoizar5815 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have this coin 1983 DDR penny and 1991 D the same errors doubling all the letters where can I sell it

  • @benedictojrbonzon3081
    @benedictojrbonzon3081 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good day sir pls help me . I have 2 1983 penny one with D the other no D. Please check and if this pennies can be sold good money. Where can I send you the coins?

  • @stackingforfun9216
    @stackingforfun9216 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Condition is always everything !! I disagree on cleaning as a very poor coin can be saved by cleaning to preserve but it a rare issue !!

    • @worldnumismaticnews
      @worldnumismaticnews  5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Technically that is true. But out of a random selection of 10 people, how many can effectively preserve a coin without damaging the surface in the process? I't just not worth the risk in 99% of the cases.
      Especially for a rare coin. That's unless you don't mind no-grades or Details grades. Thanx for watching!

    • @stackingforfun9216
      @stackingforfun9216 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      When I say save it usually is a metal detector find and kill the corrosion that may be eating the coin . But a zinc penny isn’t going to be saved in my opinion

    • @jrduke45
      @jrduke45 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I would never try to clean my coins. Personally I don't even dip mine using E-Zest or something to that effect.

  • @isaganiestrella4186
    @isaganiestrella4186 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good enough for your info, I think i have 1 1983 no mint mark, 1968D, 1981D, 1985D lincoln penny, lots of DD

  • @ricardocasimiro9347
    @ricardocasimiro9347 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sir I have 3 pieses of 1983 do you buy it how much. Thank you

  • @420coins4
    @420coins4 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Another great video as always !

  • @davidheimann9093
    @davidheimann9093 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What is the reason for the steps looking like the die was clogged?

    • @worldnumismaticnews
      @worldnumismaticnews  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Sometimes if the coin is in a late die state smaller details like that can become "worn down"
      Thanx for watching

  • @paulbruney1704
    @paulbruney1704 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    How do I get the population report on Lincoln Cents? Have a great day Sir Numisman !

  • @mossman5233
    @mossman5233 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks

  • @mubasharkhan1955
    @mubasharkhan1955 ปีที่แล้ว

    hello sir how are you i hope you are well i have a 1961 d one cent in copper is it i want to sell can it be on the international market

  • @victorglass1833
    @victorglass1833 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    How can I have an 83d with everything except the scratches over liberty being in the correct location?

    • @worldnumismaticnews
      @worldnumismaticnews  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Might be a lds coin, we'll have to see some detailed photos to confirm.
      Thanx for watching

    • @jovendimayuga1459
      @jovendimayuga1459 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@worldnumismaticnews great info thank yuo,i have a1983coin like this..i will ask grading my coin,and i ask

  • @Laionrogue83
    @Laionrogue83 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I believe those scratches on the coin came from being a reused planchet where the messed up coin was scrubbed and repressed at the mint.. I've several coins that weren't scrubbed well enough and the former print is still visible..

    • @Laionrogue83
      @Laionrogue83 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      When you start to notice that the scratchy parts match the same distance from each other as the clear print. Just in a improper, position usually misaligned from the ring of the coin.. Basically, reprinted rejects.

    • @Laionrogue83
      @Laionrogue83 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Notice that the T and Y are printed over the scratches? Those gotta be eraser marks, don't they? Can't be a coincidence when you start to notice it so much in coin roll hunting that you assume it's not a rare error..

  • @chenuupallibrahmaiah3026
    @chenuupallibrahmaiah3026 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    i have 1 cent linkon coin 1969D which price right now

  • @travismcpherson8039
    @travismcpherson8039 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great way of showing this to me.im having a hard time.understanding.since I just started a coin collection last week hopenrest your videos.this.well broken down

  • @bettydoughtery3920
    @bettydoughtery3920 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you.

  • @time4grace
    @time4grace 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Some prestigious coin graders stated that coins were cleaned or too much polished? How can steel, brass and copper wear out? They should experiment and prove that steel, brass and copper can be worn out by cloth? They should make a recall. Good Observation. Those could be DYE MARKERS: should be the opposite of double dyes. It should be termed Less Dye Marker/Area [LD]. This could be a good discovery. // i have the same problem with nickel 1964; 1946 most areas as if wearing out; but, it could really be Less Dye Marker.

  • @eleazartayactac4644
    @eleazartayactac4644 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have that coin,how can i sell my coins.please help me.

  • @khalednagar9557
    @khalednagar9557 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    How to communicate with someone please

  • @raydowdy6914
    @raydowdy6914 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video, full of good information

  • @reynaldourias39
    @reynaldourias39 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    i have 2ps.of this coins 1983 ..where i sell it?

  • @Gumshara
    @Gumshara 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks for the information grate video later thanks

  • @tonyp6534
    @tonyp6534 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Another great tip keep it up🎆

  • @vyesitsme9203
    @vyesitsme9203 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    HO HO HO. 🌏 Numismatic! Love 💕 the important DDR details! Well done! 🌈🎄🎄🎄🎄♈️👍

    • @worldnumismaticnews
      @worldnumismaticnews  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks Vickie, Happy Holidays!
      Thanx for watching

    • @franciscosalinas4627
      @franciscosalinas4627 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@worldnumismaticnewsI have one dollar coin 1890 how much

  • @marlboroman4532
    @marlboroman4532 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a few coins I would like to sell... including one of these 1983 ddr pennies. I have a 1942/41 dime that have very clear doubling on the moto, in god we trust! How do I go about marketing them to sell?

  • @heartrose199
    @heartrose199 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm watching your show. I have this in my 1983 in my hands. 4pieces of this.

    • @worldnumismaticnews
      @worldnumismaticnews  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Does it have all of the variety attributions.
      Thanx for watching!

  • @randellmarkborja8532
    @randellmarkborja8532 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have a 1983 lincon Penny DDO double eye bags.

  • @peggysmith936
    @peggysmith936 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What if the coins are really dirty how can I clean them

  • @domingodeanda233
    @domingodeanda233 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    May 31-2021, that was pretty damn good, thanks.

  • @geovanirosario8724
    @geovanirosario8724 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi can u help me sold my 1990d penny

    • @worldnumismaticnews
      @worldnumismaticnews  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Is it an error coin?
      Thanx for watching!

    • @geovanirosario8724
      @geovanirosario8724 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@worldnumismaticnews im not sure but im sure its rare

  • @marupokcoinsvlog2023
    @marupokcoinsvlog2023 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have 3pcs` liberty One cent united state of america. 1955 1986 2015 how sell ?

  • @hildebrandodasilvacosta1948
    @hildebrandodasilvacosta1948 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Eu tenho uma moeda UNE CRNT

  • @javiermartinez6716
    @javiermartinez6716 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Really enjoy and most important your videos are very helpful and is fun learn something new, Btw for me ur videos are very understandable for a person like me that my English is terrible like my grammar lol anyway ThankYou

  • @JesusChrist-kz2qp
    @JesusChrist-kz2qp ปีที่แล้ว

    Greetings from Cleveland Ohio. First, Thank you for your time . Your knowledge & time is appreciated ‼️ I believe I'm in possession of higher mint 83 DDR... I Would be gratefull if I could email you some pictures and you take a look em and let me know your thoughts on it and if it's worth getting it graded from PCGS .
    And the utmost respect Thank you for your efforts to educate guys like me 🍀

  • @johnqhunter
    @johnqhunter 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    How do I send u a picture

  • @marupokcoinsvlog2023
    @marupokcoinsvlog2023 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have 1pcs` 1955 D One Cent Liberty United States of America How to sell Sir ?
    Im from the phillipines

    • @worldnumismaticnews
      @worldnumismaticnews  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'd advise checking the coin for varieties. 1955 has quite a few.
      Thanx for Watching!

  • @joeflores1467
    @joeflores1467 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    2018 nickel DDR. , fs, Mont icello, five cents . Do you have any thing , you can tell me. About it. ? I have one .

  • @NGCoinslove
    @NGCoinslove 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Tank'x 1000000000😀and $$$ i have my freind-- your freind in Morocco

  • @rubentablate5070
    @rubentablate5070 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have one 1983 penny how i can sell this from philippines

  • @sangtran6532
    @sangtran6532 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have a 1983 coin like this.
    After cleaning the coin, it loses number 8.

  • @time4grace
    @time4grace 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    may you have an angelic tongue 1983 [DDR and DDO]; i will ask grading.

    • @williamprice2628
      @williamprice2628 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I have one I thought my eyes where playing with me. A ddr and ddo on same 1983 that isn't graded yet but oh for sure will be soon looks like a MS 68 at worse

  • @LKMSC_SGS
    @LKMSC_SGS 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Tenho uma moeda one cent 1983

  • @damarisroseli2237
    @damarisroseli2237 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Tenho uma moeda do ano 1983

  • @ciceroaparecidodossantossa6153
    @ciceroaparecidodossantossa6153 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Tenho5 moeda one center ano 1983 quero vendelo

  • @dinesharya6443
    @dinesharya6443 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    georgivs iii gratia 1797 coin

  • @ronkhobuntin8789
    @ronkhobuntin8789 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    i have 1983 D lincoln penny... i want to sell this coin...please help

  • @lordelizdelapaz1013
    @lordelizdelapaz1013 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi sir I have 1 can I sell to to you?

  • @dseldridge8360
    @dseldridge8360 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

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    • @thegoldnugget2673
      @thegoldnugget2673 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      I have a 197 something the last no. is completely missing fairly good shape

    • @worldnumismaticnews
      @worldnumismaticnews  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Happy Holidays Ds
      Thanx for watching

  • @luismanuelmartinezperez8903
    @luismanuelmartinezperez8903 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Donde puedo vender yo la tengo la moneda Cómo puedo vender vivo en México san luis río valorado sonora me y amo luismanuelmartinezperez

    • @worldnumismaticnews
      @worldnumismaticnews  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hola luis Puede venderlos en línea o consignarlos en una subasta pública. Pero lo han calificado primero. gracias por ver

    • @luismanuelmartinezperez8903
      @luismanuelmartinezperez8903 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@worldnumismaticnews Hola guste no me puede ayudar por je yo no se a ser subastas mire tengo varios peni le valen mucho dinero ayude me porfabor de donde este y otra cosa yo no tengo dinero soy bien pobre necesito un patrocinador y le pase par al otro lado podemos agarrar mucho dinero por le tengo barios peni de 1912 1918 el 43 44 49 57 60 asta el 70 y 80 as te 90 y tengo varios por favor yo no tengo dinero para ser ti ficar las pies as si es así lo le valen los peni ya tenemos divertido contesyeme y también tengo el peni del año 1974 con letra D y sin letra el 69 72 82 92 le valen mucho dinero no se va repetir si me echa la mano conteste me porfabor grasias Dios lobendiga espero bay

  • @trevorweaver915
    @trevorweaver915 ปีที่แล้ว

    Have you ever seen a silver dollar lady liberty 1935 but the 1 is missing so it reads 935 cause no one else I ask has never I'm hoping for a discovery coin

  • @abduhtsuchivanhouten9098
    @abduhtsuchivanhouten9098 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i have theree lincoln coin in 1990 and 0ne 0f the Most unique ingredients is a mixture!

  • @Zara-us2yx
    @Zara-us2yx 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi I have this coin can I sell it with u 1983 1983d

  • @joemarogaob853
    @joemarogaob853 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have 1 cent linkon coin pennies 1983 d which price right now.

  • @elizadungao2766
    @elizadungao2766 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have one pc. 1983 one cent. Liberty United.State of America. How to sell sir? Im from.the Phillippines

  • @AlbertoGonzalez-iv8mz
    @AlbertoGonzalez-iv8mz 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Cool video that penny is osome

  • @markgleixner8453
    @markgleixner8453 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    The Lincoln 1958 double die obverse I believe I have one like to see it

  • @markryan938
    @markryan938 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Triple die 83 penny quarter rotation both sides

  • @roypilapil2356
    @roypilapil2356 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have that one 1983 DDR penny coins

  • @samcampbell306
    @samcampbell306 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I got 1983 two of them and some more old Penny's for sell

  • @patgamble3217
    @patgamble3217 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have this one would you like to buy it. What it's worth. Serious buyers only.

  • @altafbargir8994
    @altafbargir8994 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I have one cent USA

  • @rosariogaudesi442
    @rosariogaudesi442 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Buongiorno tengo La moneta penny deL 1983 s'è mi fai sapere qualcosa grazie ciao DC Coin world rosario

  • @charlesmoore5954
    @charlesmoore5954 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I had a penny like this found it a few days ago i dont know what year it was though and can't find it now. Oh well.

  • @azercollector
    @azercollector 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have 1983

  • @bettydoughtery3920
    @bettydoughtery3920 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Small date, large date???? Copper, zinc????

  • @rosariogaudesi442
    @rosariogaudesi442 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Buonasera tengo La moneta penny deL 1983se mi fai sapere qualcosa per questa moneta ti ringrazio ciao worLdi numismatica news rosario per

  • @suthat7021
    @suthat7021 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yes i

  • @HazemTiger
    @HazemTiger 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I want to communicate with your presence because I have a lot of old money with me and I want to sell it

    • @worldnumismaticnews
      @worldnumismaticnews  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      OK
      Thanx for watching

    • @jrduke45
      @jrduke45 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@worldnumismaticnews boy I bet you get alot of I have some coins I want to sell!😂

  • @kamaljeetkaur6367
    @kamaljeetkaur6367 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I am having this coin of 1983 want to sell

  • @hintatakasimura64
    @hintatakasimura64 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Saya punya yg thn 1964

  • @rajeshbojjam9257
    @rajeshbojjam9257 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    1985 D amarec one cant

  • @victorngoche8966
    @victorngoche8966 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have a shame coin showing in the video .....pllz connect buyer..thanks.

  • @happybroadcast3069
    @happybroadcast3069 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    If it’s not double died will it still be worth a lot?

  • @virgienavarro5278
    @virgienavarro5278 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi hello good evening sir this is VIRGIE Navarro I am also have this please help this coin from London in us this is old coin so bring here in my our country so I am so glad this coin is really good

  • @dorismiles1291
    @dorismiles1291 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    R 1982 Browns coins worth anything.

  • @badrtv8000
    @badrtv8000 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have one 1983 d

  • @jhungeneta1557
    @jhungeneta1557 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have one of these from philippines

  • @joelcalbang3320
    @joelcalbang3320 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    i have a 1983 coin like this

  • @sparkyjones560
    @sparkyjones560 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Strange title. It's a penny, it is worth money regardless.

  • @blcscott7897
    @blcscott7897 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    1986 Lincoln Penny

  • @sigma_cooper
    @sigma_cooper 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    i had a 1983 penny came here to see if it was a 1983 Doubled Die Reverse Penny, i guess not