A Number Sequence with Everything - Numberphile
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- Neil Sloane discusses The Inventory Sequence... See also Jane Street's special page: www.janestreet.com/numberphil...
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Inventory Sequence at: oeis.org/A342585
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First reply
I use OEIS
4:53 The envelope reminds me of the Fibonacci numbers, which has a cosine in it.
OEIS is one of my favourite websites, It's always a joy to see videos on the myriads of wonderful sequences it contains! Thank you!
The Jane St thing sounds to me like "Hey, if you are smart and like math, come help us make rich people even richer". Am I wrong?
@@maitland1007 It sounds like a cult.
Honored to be mentioned in this video by the great Neil Sloane! Thank you Neil and thank you Numberphile for posting the video.
To be fair, you've earned it 😅
Awesome when a celebrity reacts to the video!
What is this sequence like in binary?
@@staizer It's not based on the digits but on the numbers. I.e. when 10 shows up you don't view it as a one and a zero, but as a ten.
Interesting question nonetheless, were you to interpret a 10 as a one and a zero.
Thanks for a creative and beautiful sequence, Joseph!
A beautiful message to end the video with. A lot of math isn't in the destination, but the understanding you develop on the journey.
So you gonna tell me, maybe the real math is the friends we made along the way?
Shouldn't we generalize that?
Journey before Destination.
A 2000 theorems journey starts with 1 statement
@@lonestarr1490 I was about to say something similar
Neil Sloane is an international treasure. With every video he appears in, the content becomes so interesting and engaging. More Neil!
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"We have the variations, but we don't know what the theme is." What a stellar analogy for mathematical puzzles.
The music was like someone getting chased, and stumbling, but every time they stumble they manage to run a bit further and the suspense builds
@@aceman0000099 It's a neat effect how the tempo doesn't change, yet it feels like something is getting away from you.
Strangley, even the fun maths is super important.
When people find new and weird ways of doing something silly and fun with stuff like this, it can bring forward new ideas which can be used to solve more important problems in mats
On a meta-level, it is not that surprising that a sequence defined recursively in terms of _all_ its previous values exhibits interesting behavior. No information is ever lost - every element of the sequence will be used infinitely often in computing subsequent elements. The sequence just meditates upon itself forever, without ever losing any "insight" once gained.
This man loves what he's doing. He looks so satisfied at the end of the video )
Love Neil and the OEIS. Used it for a math puzzle the other day :)
That's cheating
I often think about math instead of actually concentrating on whatever lesson is at hand and whenever i figure out a cool sequence or constant i plug it in the OEIS to see if there's any cool formulae or connections with other numbers
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I was literally just rewatching the planing sequence video when I got this notification.... This guy is so satisfying to listen to, and the sequences he shows us are so fun! Love it
Totally agree. Would love to see progress made into understanding these types of sequences.
Look up the 'Experimental Mathematics' TH-cam channel, and you'll find some Zoom lectures from Neil regarding all kinds of OEIS sequences. Also, a lot of other cool videos! It's a small channel from Rutgers University, but Neil is a constant on it.
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Thanks for the recommendation! @@maynardtrendle820
Neil is so excitedly passionate and I just absolutely love it! He's adorable and so interesting to hear from 💕
I love this guy he has the most calming voice
Neil is awesome, his excitement is super contagious!
It's one of my favorite posts in numberphile - thanks for that!
glad you liked it.
neil's videos are some of my absolute favourites. he has an amazing, relaxing voice.
Two great quotes from this video.
"Here, we have the variations. But we don't know the theme."
"Maybe in itself its just a sequence. But who knows where it will lead."
I'd be really curious to see a Fourier Transform of this series, it reminds me a lot of energy levels and spectra from chemistry/physics.
I don't know if it's possible
Me too! Should be doable in a program. You can find the sequence on the OEIS
@@aceman0000099 You'd have to interpolate the original sequence to get a continuous function, I think. Fourier transformation of discreet values doesn't make sense - unless I'm mistaken.
@@bur2000 as far as I know, both Discrete Fourier Transform and Continuous Fourier Transform exist
Your enthusiasm and fascination with this Inventory Sequence are pleasantly infectious.
It is interesting.
Neil Sloane is one of the best Numberphile presenters!
I can't help but notice, there's also the little digits Neil draws to say which number each term refers to. I wonder how the sequence would change if you included those! It'd be kind of like the look-and-say sequence, but without grouping the numbers.
Every video with this guy is a must-watch.
This is without a doubt my favorite numberphile video
This was all so very fascinating. I’m a pianist, too, and found the musical tie-in to be very intriguing.
Boulez would certainly have liked to make something from this. The closest piece for piano I know to that sequence is Ligeti, Devil Staircase.
I see you went down the YT alg rabbit hole too
It's never a bad time to thank Neil Sloane for his contributions which have helped mathematicians around the world for generations.
Neil is a math poet. I love his video's.
Kkkk😊
Always love to see a Sloane video, the man makes my day
I could listen to him talk for hours. Always interesting and engaging -- I've watched every video you've made with him. I do hope you'll have more videos with him in the future.
I show up to every video with Neil Sloane and I always will!
Love a Neil Sloane video - thank you Numberphile :)
8:54 He mentions John Conway - it was just after the first minute that I thought of the look-and-say sequence that Conway had analyzed and apparently made famous.
My goodness I should have been a mathematician! I could sit around, drink coffee and come up with sequences like this all day! ;-)
Those rows of book on the shelf facing him seem like such a lifetime of mathematical passion.
If I were a greedy inventory taker, I wouldn't re-start my inventory when I get a zero. Instead, I would immediately jump to the number corresponding to the count I just arrived at. For example, if I'm currently counting the number of 8's, and I count 3 of them, I would count the number of 3's next. Of course I know that will be one more than the last time I counted it. So I never really have to re-count anything, I'm just incrementing by one every time.
Neil is always an amazing guest, his love for these sequences is very infectuous
The OEIS is an amazing resource. One of the best websites in existence
Always enjoy his videos. What truly amazes me though is there was a time when he consciously chose that wallpaper. 😂
I just love this gentleman, his passion about numbers and sequences are just intoxicated
Always love the Neil Sloane sequences videos :)
I adore seeing Neil explain more sequences!
Oh boy, more Neil!
The content is amazing but his speaking voice is absolutely wonderful ❤. So soothing and such a captivating style.
Videos with Neil Sloane are always a highlight. One question I have is whether every number will appear? Isn't it possible that one number gets skipped by all previous numbers, so you'd always have to take inventory for the same number from that point?
No, I don't think so. The zeros take care of that. Every time you take inventory there is one more zero. So all the numbers appear in the first column.
rewatch around 2:30 he says the next line will always be the next number
Apart from the trivial appearance (when the numbers appear because of the zeros) - do we know if every numbers appears at least once more?
@@Boink97 that's a great question, we need answers!
@@Boink97 , due to the fact that numbers are constantly being added and never taken away, this doesn't seem as though it would ever skip any number infinitely, even if you don't count the number's required initial appearance. We can see that the amount of each number (the columns formed in the way he lays it out) will continue to increase. They may not increase on every row, but they all increase. So, once a number gets a 1 in its column (which it has to, given the "trivial appearance"), it will certainly increase from there.
I love vids with Neil Sloane!!!😍
"it's very irregular, and wonderful" love the enthusiasm, new to this channel.
After I listen to this absolutely fascinating discussion, I have come to the conclusion that, for humanity, mathematicians are quite possibly one of the most important and vital community of completely batshit crazy people in the world.
I would love to look at the same sequence with a variation where you also count the "index".
So it would go:
0_0 (zero "zeroes")
2_0; (two "zeroes" because you got the "index") 0_1;
4_0; 1_1; 1_2; 0_3;
6_0; 4_1; 2_2; 1_3; 2_4; 0_5;
8_0; 6_1; 5_2; 2_3; 3_4; 2_5; 2_6; 0_7;
...
First entry is always 2n (you always have one index for 0 and the last entry) but the pattern for other digits looks very different, or maybe we can find some connection with the "base" sequence!
I thought at first that is how the pattern would work in the video, since he wrote those subscripts and asked how many we could see, but apparently, they were just there to help him explain/keep track of the meaning of each digit. The sequence in the video could be written without the subscripts entirely (and in one continuous line).
An interesting aspect of doing it in a way that includes the index is that you are guaranteed that the numbers in the columns will always increase by at least one for every additional row, because the index is will always be present in each row.
By the way, slight error in your index-counting sequence. The 4th line should have "2_4;" instead of "1_4;" (there is a 4 in line three and a 4 earlier in line four), which would change your 5th line to 8_0; 6_1; 5_2; 2_3; 3_4; 2_5; 2_6; 0_7;
So far, this suggests each row will stop (by hitting a 0) at 2n-1.
@@SgtSupaman Oh yeah, fixed now.
The worst Neil Sloane video I've ever watched was excellent. Can never have too much of this man.
I wonder how it changes in different base numbers
Love the Sloane videos.
Great background music for a suspense scene
I made something for this in Excel, took about an hour to make but it works flawlessly
Everybody needs someone who talks about them like Dr. Sloane talks about sequences.
I love your videos!❤
Love this sequence!
After seeing the underlying mathematics of the look-and-say sequence, I most certainly hope we will be able to find and explain since structure with this one as well. What an absolute beauty
thank you Neil!
Love a Neil sequence video
Awesome sequence and wonderful explanation!
I really enjoy the OEIS videos. I got a sequence accepted a few years ago (A328225) after one of these videos. This just reminded me that I never figured out why my sequence looked the way it did when it was plotted. I would love to hear some thoughts. I am not a mathematician in any form, so it could be absolutely nothing.
I'm gonna look, I'll get back to you in a bit
Oh wow, that's quite cool! Seems like such a strange rule, but the plot is very interesting!
@@dallangoldblatt7368 Thanks Dallan
@@connorohiggins8000 What does prime(n) mean? Checking to see if it's prime? Does it return 1 or 0? But then, what would prime(prime(n)) be? How does that sequence work? (This is just a formula question, I simply do not know what prime(n) might return.)
@@kindlin Hi, so prime(n) means the nth prime, prime(1) = 2, prime(2) = 3, prime(3) = 5 .... If n = 2 then prime(prime(n)) = prime(3) = 5. It is a bit of a weird sequence.
The way Neil eases us into his sequences makes me certain he's got grandkids that he loves to read to.
The sequence looking for a killer app.
Quite distinctly put, Mr Sloane!
God bless you, man.
I love this one so much
A Great game for elementary students, to build concepts of sequence, logic, infinity, graph, etc etc!! I will do this in my next math lecture
Very interesting material, I wish to see some more youtube material around this topic!
Even before the big obvious leap in the curve that you called attention to, I was already noticing a smaller leap in the earlier part of the curve, and now looking at the larger curve with the big obvious leaps in it there are even more clearly a series of ever-smaller leaps near the beginning of the sequence too.
So do you keep track of numbers bigger than 1 digit? So if there are 10 8s, does that get counted as 1 10 or 1 1 + 1 0?
This is a key comment, absoulutely right he isn't counting digits so far he is counting number of that size number, so if he was working in base 2, he would count 0, 1 , 10, 11, 100, 101 etc and get the same graph.
Yay more Neil! :D
I really like his videos! More!
The plot looks like a banger 808 sample 👀 Need to check it asap!
Love this stuff
So cool!
Neil Sloane - what a lovely fellow. Great video.
I know nothing about math, but i love this guy!
I love these pieces of math art. I was hoping this would go towards music. It's awesome.
More Neil please.
The patterns are beautiful.
I loved this video so much
Great!
Mesmerising sequence!
It's impossible not to chuckle at ~5:00 when Sloane shows the sequence's unexpected behaviour.
Why?
I love his reply to Brady's comment at that point when he says it's irregular... and wonderful. The way he says that makes me smile.
@@andybaldman Because of both how unpredictable the sequence's envelope turns out to be and how endearingly Neil Sloane presents it.
Just when you thought things were making sense.
I adore all of his video. He really makes math interesting, captivating and fun! I already dread for the day he shall pass.
his chuckle is Epic
I can't be the only one who thought that the music felt really ominous in a cool way. Like, if I wanted background music for a haunted house, just play the first 10,000 terms in the series on loop over a speaker.
Oh, this guy is great!
Stockhausen and Xenakis would be very proud of Sloane’s “Variations con Théme Perdu”
Please do a video on the infinite sidewalk!! That’s fascinating.
Thanks for sharing the link!
The more we see of Neil's office, the cooler it gets!
I didn't know you could download those as MIDI! I immediately went off to go make some sequence music!
i got very excited about this and was playing with it, started one where i did inventory but inventoried numbers greater than or equal to the index (later found it in OEIS already) but i found some fun patterns and would love to know why they’re like that! there was a fractal pattern that emerged and also there was another OEIS sequence correlated with the peaks. would love to hear someone like Neil explain why
Very cool sequence!
This guy is really the OG of calculation!!!!
I see a Neil Sloane video, I watch it, no questions asked
It kind of sounds like the roar of a crowd that is in a panic. It gets excited and then the voices come to a murmur and then gets excited again. Or possibly a paniced or anxious mind
Even just hearing this guy say "Here's what we have so far... blank paper" with that smile is enough to interest me.
Its very helpful
I can't help but think of Professor Farnsworth every time I see Dr. Sloan.
No one talking about how the wall paper EXACTLY matches how interesting Neil is?!
Is this somehow connected to the Mandelbrot set? That's what struck me when I saw "this sequence has everything" and the fundamental unpredictable yet beautiful nature of it seems very similar to Mandelbrot. The fact that when converted to music, it seems to follow a pattern of highs to lows with slight variatons for each block/chunk is like penrose/fractal tiling that repeats infinitely with small variations, aperiodic yet beautiful!
More please!
I for one would listen to an album length recording of the sequence on a grand piano.
That question at the end, and Neil Sloane's response, highlights an important point; mathematics like this is exploration. By its nature, you don't know what you'll find when you're exploring until after you've found it. So whether or not you're exploring in search of beauty, or for fun, or for something of some other value, you can't really place a value on the exploration itself.
You could say, in some cases, that exploration is an end to itself.