So before any more ridiculous feedback or commentary comes along claiming us to be atheists or disbelievers, I figured I'd make a post to clear the air. The whole thing to understand with song writing is that I am not always writing from MY perspective and MY beliefs. Sometimes I like to do my best to climb into someone else's skin and write from their perspective. Obviously on 'Spotless Mind', I know I am not Jim Carrey in 'Eternal Sunshine', I am simply writing off that story and how I interpret him feeling. Not to say every song off of 'Origin' is written that way because 90% of it IS my experiences and my personal feelings. Full honesty, I struggle with my faith in a higher being quite often and I wanted to write a song that portrayed a man who had completely lost his faith. But I do have days where I see the beauty and complex design of the world we live in and it feels hard to deny some ultimate creator must exist. This song is sort of an antagonist to 'Hollow Shell', if you will. As much as I knew this track may rub people the wrong way, I wrote it because it's how I feel and these songs are a catharsis for my struggles and hopefully can help other people with similar issues. Anyway, just mainly wanted to reassure everyone that we are not worshipping Satan and do still have faith in a higher being. Much love to everyone regardless. -Rory R.
Dayseeker IVR I'm an atheist and have loved you guys from the start. I'm not here to try to sway anyone either way, but I do think that questioning is the only way to honestly approach any belief. We delude ourselves in so many ways every single day. Anyone who thinks you should stop questioning your beliefs is trying to get you to sign off on a slave mentality and that is just sad. Whether you believe or not you should always look to see where the evidence takes you. This album is fantastic - just like the last. Thanks for the music.
kennediens You are so spot on! Doctrines and dogma can indeed become slave mentalities and slave philosophies, especially when exercised with little to no constraint and/or objectivity. People need consider alternatives to bronze and iron age philosophies that are antiquated agents of regress instead of progress. I give Rory credit for taking a different perspective on this issue; I know he mentioned in his interview that this song is more or less a sonic counterpart to their song, "Hollow Shell," but with lyrical content that takes the opposite perspective. It's sad that people are disappointed with a songwriter who is exercising versatility in lyrical themes and content. I think Rory should be praised for being this bold, brave and honest.
I don't know why everyone feels sorry or sad for Rory. We ALL go through these same emotions. If I wanted to listen to something "uplifting" I would, but this is just pure music beauty. This whole album is. I am so glad Dayseeker made this album, it's a beautiful work of art.
I like this song a lot. Reminds me of my internal struggles about religion during my youth. I have completely turned atheist now and I deny the existence of God. I don't mind other people's belief though, until they get into a debate or argument with me about evolution and science. hehe
This whole album portrays such raw, hurting emotion. The personal experiences explored are beautifully crafted in a range of lyrical composure I have never heard before. This album hurts, it feels like a knife in my chest, but that is what makes it so fucking good.
Dayseeker, I am a Christian, but I still love this album, you guys are an amazing band, and make some stellar music. I myself have struggled with my faith as well, everyone does, it's not an easy thing. I support you through all this and whatever path life takes you on, but just felt like sharing my personal knowledge. When I was struggling with my faith, I read "Pale Blue Dot" by Carl Sagan (an atheistic book) and I ended up actually finding god within the lines, you may want to give it a try. And one last thing, whoever tells you to follow God "blindly" is a fool. You must always question everything. A leader wants to be followed because he is loved, not feared or followed just because his followers are told to. We were never put here to follow blindly, and yeah life is gona get really difficult along the way. I'm sorry you're in a rough patch
MrKaidalen quit being so ignorant. I'm an atheist myself but I respect everyone for what they believe in. It's just pathetic on your part, stop giving atheists a bad name.
I really love this guys and the way Rory writes, but i don't know what i feel with this lyrics, i hope that if Rory ever have faith he understands that God is everything and everywhere.
I don't understand the flack Rory is getting. People change, whether it's for the better or not is really just subjective. You shouldn't be mad that someone chose to believe something different than you and you shouldn't be upset. If you listen to Rory's older lyrics, he seemed like he was on the edge of disbelief anyway. Everybody has the choice to what they will and won't believe, and should be thought of no differently for that choice. I still shared the same respect for Rory when he wrote more spiritually, even though that is not what I align my beliefs with, and I'll continue to support him and anyone else who finds themselves in a similar situation.
But all of Rory's gripes are based on misunderstandings and just a general lack of study. If you don't like mustard and someone tells you that there is mustard in a certain food they're offering you (even though there isn't), you'll most likely reject that food without ever confirming whether there is indeed mustard in it or not. When pastors mislead their flock with non-biblical nonsense, people then understand how wrong what their pastor is saying is when they compare it to what is obvious. There problem is that they never stop to question whether the pastor was being accurate or not. People are too trusting. Rory complains that God won't speak to him. God speaks to us from His Word. That's why it's there. If Rory wants a face to face meeting, he'll have to wait another 40 years or so...
***** I'm not complaining over the fact that he lost his faith, I'm complaining over his fallacious reasoning *behind* loosing his faith. It would be like if someone was allergic to gluten, and turned down a bowl of spinach because of it. I'm not complaining that they don't want the spinach, I'm complaining that spinach in no way related to gluten allergies. God isn't a utility. He is not there to make us *feel* comfort. Sadly, that's the way so many people view it nowadays though. Tragic.
***** This is my problem with people like you. Your assumptions and general lack of knowledge on the very subject matter you're critiquing is what gets you in trouble.
There's nothing wrong with being an atheist in the first place. This vocalist isn't one, but there would be nothing wrong with him if he was. He shouldn't need to defend it and he certainly shouldn't equate atheism with satanism, nor should anyone. Newsflash, atheists don't believe in Satan either. Also one doesn't need hard times to turn away from god. You can be atheist and perfectly happy and stable. In fact most are. Try getting some perspective on the world and see things outside your own bubble. And please, for the love of your god, stop telling atheists you hope they find Christ and you'll pray for them, it's offensive. Why? Because you're saying something is wrong with them and the way they are living and that they need help. We don't. Have a nice day.
+Sean Reeves I agree with you in most of your statement, except when you ask Christians not to expect others to know Jesus, because we once were atheist like other people, and if we want you to know Jesus it s because it s the best thing that ever happen to us, but it doesn t means that you re life it s wrong unless you consider your own life wrong, we respect your life style and you can do what you ever want with it. Have a nice day ;)
This album, and this song specifically, make me sad. I love Dayseeker, and I loved that Rory put his faith into his lyrics with the last album, and now that's all gone. I was shocked at the lyrical content of the singles, and now I read the lyrics to this and I am really disappointed. I'm still going to listen to this album but my view of Rory has changed a little for sure.
I love how you ignorant people lump God and religion under one banner. If that was the case, Jesus wouldn't have clashed so hard with the Pharisees. Be comfortable in your ignorance.
MrKaidalen Why do you bash on us so hard then flip when we even ask you "Do you believe in God?" Please, be more courteous to others with the Christian belief.
Yeah I won't lie these guys go hard and I support them in following what they believe in but this album is abit to depressive for me. Again, I LOVE the sound but the topics they sing on are not at all uplifting. To everyone their own tho.
Guys god exist .......and WTF with this lyrics i love this band but now i dont know what happen ?shit that he talking a bout i love god and u are so wrong in this lyrics dont lose ur faith in god BECAUSE WITH GOD WE ARE NOTHING ......this is life sadness and happnesse u should live with it
I used to wholeheartedly believe in God. but now I don't... not that much anymore. Everybody says he's working in my life. but I can't feel him anymore. and they sad thing is.... maybe I never did
So before any more ridiculous feedback or commentary comes along claiming us to be atheists or disbelievers, I figured I'd make a post to clear the air.
The whole thing to understand with song writing is that I am not always writing from MY perspective and MY beliefs. Sometimes I like to do my best to climb into someone else's skin and write from their perspective. Obviously on 'Spotless Mind', I know I am not Jim Carrey in 'Eternal Sunshine', I am simply writing off that story and how I interpret him feeling. Not to say every song off of 'Origin' is written that way because 90% of it IS my experiences and my personal feelings.
Full honesty, I struggle with my faith in a higher being quite often and I wanted to write a song that portrayed a man who had completely lost his faith. But I do have days where I see the beauty and complex design of the world we live in and it feels hard to deny some ultimate creator must exist.
This song is sort of an antagonist to 'Hollow Shell', if you will. As much as I knew this track may rub people the wrong way, I wrote it because it's how I feel and these songs are a catharsis for my struggles and hopefully can help other people with similar issues. Anyway, just mainly wanted to reassure everyone that we are not worshipping Satan and do still have faith in a higher being. Much love to everyone regardless.
-Rory R.
Dayseeker IVR Thanks for sharing such intimate details of your life! Awesome work with this album and can't wait to see you guys live!
We love you Rory. Don't worry about it. People are going to be mad no matter what you do. Your music is a blessing itself.
Dayseeker IVR I'm an atheist and have loved you guys from the start. I'm not here to try to sway anyone either way, but I do think that questioning is the only way to honestly approach any belief. We delude ourselves in so many ways every single day. Anyone who thinks you should stop questioning your beliefs is trying to get you to sign off on a slave mentality and that is just sad. Whether you believe or not you should always look to see where the evidence takes you. This album is fantastic - just like the last. Thanks for the music.
Ever since my friend introduced me to you guys you became my favorite band. Your music is balls to the wall good.
kennediens You are so spot on! Doctrines and dogma can indeed become slave mentalities and slave philosophies, especially when exercised with little to no constraint and/or objectivity. People need consider alternatives to bronze and iron age philosophies that are antiquated agents of regress instead of progress.
I give Rory credit for taking a different perspective on this issue; I know he mentioned in his interview that this song is more or less a sonic counterpart to their song, "Hollow Shell," but with lyrical content that takes the opposite perspective. It's sad that people are disappointed with a songwriter who is exercising versatility in lyrical themes and content. I think Rory should be praised for being this bold, brave and honest.
I don't know why everyone feels sorry or sad for Rory. We ALL go through these same emotions. If I wanted to listen to something "uplifting" I would, but this is just pure music beauty. This whole album is. I am so glad Dayseeker made this album, it's a beautiful work of art.
The lyrics are so questioning and so powerful, we have missed you guys welcome back...
I can relate to all the words he says , "All those years asking for help, but I was simply talking to myself" .
"I will carry a cross no longer."
I guess his bones broke.
Whoever's perspective this is written from.
Beautiful song.
I like this song a lot. Reminds me of my internal struggles about religion during my youth.
I have completely turned atheist now and I deny the existence of God. I don't mind other people's belief though, until they get into a debate or argument with me about evolution and science. hehe
This whole album portrays such raw, hurting emotion. The personal experiences explored are beautifully crafted in a range of lyrical composure I have never heard before. This album hurts, it feels like a knife in my chest, but that is what makes it so fucking good.
Dayseeker, I am a Christian, but I still love this album, you guys are an amazing band, and make some stellar music. I myself have struggled with my faith as well, everyone does, it's not an easy thing. I support you through all this and whatever path life takes you on, but just felt like sharing my personal knowledge. When I was struggling with my faith, I read "Pale Blue Dot" by Carl Sagan (an atheistic book) and I ended up actually finding god within the lines, you may want to give it a try. And one last thing, whoever tells you to follow God "blindly" is a fool. You must always question everything. A leader wants to be followed because he is loved, not feared or followed just because his followers are told to. We were never put here to follow blindly, and yeah life is gona get really difficult along the way. I'm sorry you're in a rough patch
Comments like this are what make me respect religious people. It sounds so much more legit when put like this.
I'm agnostic myself, but I highly recommend reading Contact by Carl Sagan if you want Sagan's most spiritual take. Gotta read to the end though.
God Does Listen. He Loves you man.
No Matter if you lose your faith He Will Always Be There For you.
Forever_Flawed_Official LOL....I feel bad for you. Become an Atheist and open your eyes.
MrKaidalen quit being so ignorant. I'm an atheist myself but I respect everyone for what they believe in. It's just pathetic on your part, stop giving atheists a bad name.
I agree i hope all the athiest on your comment can find christ
Josue Samaniego I love you.
@@Talracing no.
the best band
Guys, please read what Dayseeker IVR said about this song! It is from another perspective and not his own.
I really love this guys and the way Rory writes, but i don't know what i feel with this lyrics, i hope that if Rory ever have faith he understands that God is everything and everywhere.
David Gil LOL, become atheist and open your eyes. religion is bad and your fake deity is bad also.
MrKaidalen LOL? No thanks man, I already have my eyes open.
+David Gil Lol, no you don't.
Awesome!!!!
For those of you who want the skinny about Rory and the new album, go watch the interview with cayeminterviews. He sets the record straight.
This song is about Jaqen H'ghar from Game of Thrones.
hahahaha no doubt
I don't understand the flack Rory is getting. People change, whether it's for the better or not is really just subjective. You shouldn't be mad that someone chose to believe something different than you and you shouldn't be upset. If you listen to Rory's older lyrics, he seemed like he was on the edge of disbelief anyway. Everybody has the choice to what they will and won't believe, and should be thought of no differently for that choice. I still shared the same respect for Rory when he wrote more spiritually, even though that is not what I align my beliefs with, and I'll continue to support him and anyone else who finds themselves in a similar situation.
But all of Rory's gripes are based on misunderstandings and just a general lack of study.
If you don't like mustard and someone tells you that there is mustard in a certain food they're offering you (even though there isn't), you'll most likely reject that food without ever confirming whether there is indeed mustard in it or not. When pastors mislead their flock with non-biblical nonsense, people then understand how wrong what their pastor is saying is when they compare it to what is obvious. There problem is that they never stop to question whether the pastor was being accurate or not. People are too trusting. Rory complains that God won't speak to him. God speaks to us from His Word. That's why it's there. If Rory wants a face to face meeting, he'll have to wait another 40 years or so...
***** Agreed.
***** I'm not complaining over the fact that he lost his faith, I'm complaining over his fallacious reasoning *behind* loosing his faith. It would be like if someone was allergic to gluten, and turned down a bowl of spinach because of it. I'm not complaining that they don't want the spinach, I'm complaining that spinach in no way related to gluten allergies.
God isn't a utility. He is not there to make us *feel* comfort. Sadly, that's the way so many people view it nowadays though. Tragic.
***** "Suppose to be?" Where did you get that idea?
***** This is my problem with people like you. Your assumptions and general lack of knowledge on the very subject matter you're critiquing is what gets you in trouble.
That's sad
There's nothing wrong with being an atheist in the first place. This vocalist isn't one, but there would be nothing wrong with him if he was. He shouldn't need to defend it and he certainly shouldn't equate atheism with satanism, nor should anyone. Newsflash, atheists don't believe in Satan either. Also one doesn't need hard times to turn away from god. You can be atheist and perfectly happy and stable. In fact most are. Try getting some perspective on the world and see things outside your own bubble. And please, for the love of your god, stop telling atheists you hope they find Christ and you'll pray for them, it's offensive. Why? Because you're saying something is wrong with them and the way they are living and that they need help. We don't. Have a nice day.
+Sean Reeves I agree with you in most of your statement, except when you ask Christians not to expect others to know Jesus, because we once were atheist like other people, and if we want you to know Jesus it s because it s the best thing that ever happen to us, but it doesn t means that you re life it s wrong unless you consider your own life wrong, we respect your life style and you can do what you ever want with it. Have a nice day ;)
This album, and this song specifically, make me sad. I love Dayseeker, and I loved that Rory put his faith into his lyrics with the last album, and now that's all gone. I was shocked at the lyrical content of the singles, and now I read the lyrics to this and I am really disappointed. I'm still going to listen to this album but my view of Rory has changed a little for sure.
I wonder if he actually ever asked for help
22.222 vieuws xD
This song kicks ass , btw I'm over here on team atheism
Compare Hollow Shell with this song... what happened?:(
charly haros He became smarter, and realised god and religion is PURE EVIL and fiction :)
Well yeah you got a point:)
I love how you ignorant people lump God and religion under one banner. If that was the case, Jesus wouldn't have clashed so hard with the Pharisees. Be comfortable in your ignorance.
MrKaidalen Why do you bash on us so hard then flip when we even ask you "Do you believe in God?" Please, be more courteous to others with the Christian belief.
_ MyM4 _ I rather not be courteous to religious people. Look around you, everything bad thats happening is because of religion. So please. fuck off
Isn't metal the devils music so isn't a metal core Christian band kind of ironic? Still I like the sound of these guys.
Sounds like Rory has lost his faith in God.
Jason LovesPWD Tell that bullshit to August Burns Red.
Jason LovesPWD Hug it out.
Omni Codex good, God isn't real to begin with. ATHEIST FOR LIFE
Yeah I won't lie these guys go hard and I support them in following what they believe in but this album is abit to depressive for me. Again, I LOVE the sound but the topics they sing on are not at all uplifting. To everyone their own tho.
mitchell gillette That's a sign of our times. It's meant to be sobering.
Guys god exist .......and WTF with this lyrics i love this band but now i dont know what happen ?shit that he talking a bout i love god and u are so wrong in this lyrics dont lose ur faith in god BECAUSE WITH GOD WE ARE NOTHING ......this is life sadness and happnesse u should live with it
I used to wholeheartedly believe in God. but now I don't... not that much anymore. Everybody says he's working in my life. but I can't feel him anymore. and they sad thing is.... maybe I never did