I thought about buying the book you mentioned, "The Fundamentals of General Tree Work". I want to learn more about the subject and I also want to find out what knot you prefer to use instead of a clove hitch. The best price I could find was a used copy from Abebooks for $533.96. I did some more research though and found a digital pdf version you can purchase for a reasonable price, in case anyone is interested.
what do you typically use for rigging? I am new to your channel, as well as this career, so sorry if you have already covered this.... thanks for providing this excellent resource. I really have appreciated your channel so far!
The half hitch with the running bowline used in rigging actually has 80 percent of the clove hitch in its structure. I find the muscle memory of tying a clove hitch makes tying a half hitch with running bowline more quick if you know what I mean. Just tie the 2 knots and look at them.
When would you continue around the branch and tie your safety so that the clove hitch still cinches down? I have seen the safety tied both ways and wonder when you would do one over the other.
Yes Luc, I think it would be better than a clove. I don't use the clove, I just wanted to show it for people who like it. A three wrap 'No Knot' with a running bow finish is rock solid. Thanks. - Patrick
Appreciate the video sir. Isn't the clove hitch a rolling hitch and has no tendency of rolling if backed up by two half hitches or is there a safer way to back it up?
Hey man, What is the black on the end of your rope? I'm thinking it is black tape or "electricians tape"? Would whipping be okay to *seal* the end? Or is tape the preferred to keep from unraveling?! Thanks and have a great weekend!
The only times I use a clove is as part of a cleat hitch, and when appropriate, to tie into a master point while rock climbing. I agree with you though, if you need half hitches to back up your back up, then there are probably better techniques you could be using.
Its rather weird seeing a non fisherman tie this knot, especially with climbers rope. We tie crab pots together with a clove hitch but use only 1 half hitch. Nice job
@EducatedClimber okay, awesome. Thanks for the confirmation. That was my conclusion after playing around with the orientation of the knots for the past twenty minutes or so! 👍
Yeah, very difficult to tie most knots, including the clove, under tension...... if I had to tie something under tension I would probably use the cow hitch... - Patrick
When I see a guy use the clove hitch as his go-to....to tie down a load in a truck....I know he doesn't have to depend on knots that much and has never tested it to see how bad a knot it really is....and he probably just learned it from his dad or only one he remembers from scouts. A slipped constrictor knot is far better....or even a picket hitch....if you are gonna tie a not like that.....why people use clove hitches other then for garden trellising...I will never know....
You dont really know what you're talking about, we use a clove hitch w half hitch to tie crab pots together on a fishing vessel and the pots never come loose. TRUCKERS are fat lazy and stupid and are not capable of tying a proper knot
Total nonsense the clove hitch is a tried and tested hitch and very very very old. This historic use tells me it works well, and as a climber like 99.9999999% of climbers I've trusted my life to the clove hitch millions of times
It's a materials thing. Modern ropes are slippery. Old-school manila ropes were not slippery, they had a lot of friction on tree bark to help them stay in place. Endline clove hitches in modern rope really can slip off when shock loaded. I've seen it multiple times, and most old-timers can tell stories where they have seen it come off as well... - Patrick
Thank you for sharing this with us. God bless you! Have you placed your faith in Jesus Christ, the Son of God, for the justification of your sin so you go to heaven instead of spending eternity in hell when you die?
I thought about buying the book you mentioned, "The Fundamentals of General Tree Work". I want to learn more about the subject and I also want to find out what knot you prefer to use instead of a clove hitch. The best price I could find was a used copy from Abebooks for $533.96. I did some more research though and found a digital pdf version you can purchase for a reasonable price, in case anyone is interested.
Where did you find it? definitely interested
@@Jacob-ft3oz It's available at www.educatedclimber.com
what do you typically use for rigging? I am new to your channel, as well as this career, so sorry if you have already covered this.... thanks for providing this excellent resource. I really have appreciated your channel so far!
The half hitch with the running bowline used in rigging actually has 80 percent of the clove hitch in its structure. I find the muscle memory of tying a clove hitch makes tying a half hitch with running bowline more quick if you know what I mean. Just tie the 2 knots and look at them.
When would you continue around the branch and tie your safety so that the clove hitch still cinches down? I have seen the safety tied both ways and wonder when you would do one over the other.
I got a stupid question why not use a sinching knot like a running bowline or slipknot for the safety knot after the end line clove
thanks
Nice finish with bowline ! Would à three wrap no knot with a bowline be as good thanks
Yes Luc, I think it would be better than a clove. I don't use the clove, I just wanted to show it for people who like it. A three wrap 'No Knot' with a running bow finish is rock solid. Thanks. - Patrick
Appreciate the video sir. Isn't the clove hitch a rolling hitch and has no tendency of rolling if backed up by two half hitches or is there a safer way to back it up?
Hey man,
What is the black on the end of your rope? I'm thinking it is black tape or "electricians tape"?
Would whipping be okay to *seal* the end? Or is tape the preferred to keep from unraveling?!
Thanks and have a great weekend!
The only times I use a clove is as part of a cleat hitch, and when appropriate, to tie into a master point while rock climbing. I agree with you though, if you need half hitches to back up your back up, then there are probably better techniques you could be using.
Agreed.... enough half hitches will hold anything... why not just tie 2 half hitches with 2 half hitches....... :) - Patrick
Its rather weird seeing a non fisherman tie this knot, especially with climbers rope. We tie crab pots together with a clove hitch but use only 1 half hitch. Nice job
Question: aren't two half hitches tied on top of each other just a clove hitch?
If tied in the same direction then yes, opposite directions makes a girth hitch
@EducatedClimber okay, awesome. Thanks for the confirmation. That was my conclusion after playing around with the orientation of the knots for the past twenty minutes or so! 👍
This doesn't show how to tie this when the line is under tension.
Yeah, very difficult to tie most knots, including the clove, under tension...... if I had to tie something under tension I would probably use the cow hitch... - Patrick
When I see a guy use the clove hitch as his go-to....to tie down a load in a truck....I know he doesn't have to depend on knots that much and has never tested it to see how bad a knot it really is....and he probably just learned it from his dad or only one he remembers from scouts.
A slipped constrictor knot is far better....or even a picket hitch....if you are gonna tie a not like that.....why people use clove hitches other then for garden trellising...I will never know....
You dont really know what you're talking about, we use a clove hitch w half hitch to tie crab pots together on a fishing vessel and the pots never come loose. TRUCKERS are fat lazy and stupid and are not capable of tying a proper knot
Total nonsense the clove hitch is a tried and tested hitch and very very very old. This historic use tells me it works well, and as a climber like 99.9999999% of climbers I've trusted my life to the clove hitch millions of times
It's a materials thing. Modern ropes are slippery. Old-school manila ropes were not slippery, they had a lot of friction on tree bark to help them stay in place. Endline clove hitches in modern rope really can slip off when shock loaded. I've seen it multiple times, and most old-timers can tell stories where they have seen it come off as well... - Patrick
Thank you for sharing this with us.
God bless you!
Have you placed your faith in Jesus Christ, the Son of God, for the justification of your sin so you go to heaven instead of spending eternity in hell when you die?