@@simonmatthews6652 A Bow thruster does mean you have emergency steering of sorts, but twin rudders really Suck for Cruising, and imho, only appeal to Sailboat Racing Fantasists, just like Deep Keels, which rule out huge numbers of places you may want, or need to go. Need = diving well into shallow water shelter to get out of the way of an incoming Storm. a beautiful Bay I did a lot of Sailing out of, Storms mostly arriving from the South West, had an excellent sheltered Bay to get close in , with a Bilge keel Macwester, 4ft+ Draft, could Anchor, hop in the dinghy, head to shore pub by the beach did nice food, back tobthe boat, and after a secure night's sleep, mostly a Storm had blown itself out. Anything over 5ft 8" Draft, and you couldn't get in and stay Afloat. Frankly, I find the Infatuation with Deep Draft and Twin Rudders is ruling out way too many Sailboats from the list of boats I'm otherwise very interested. One Manufacturer has a Shallow Draft option that has a Draft of 7ft 1" Deep! what's "Shallow" about that? It's not just the Bahamas it rules out as a Cruising ground. Sadvtoo, because below deck, the interior is perfect. 🤔😔
Further to my post below, regarding twin rudders, I could use some feedback on the Bavaria Twin Rudders in general, and not just on the 46 Cruiser. It seems some are not dangerously lacking in sensitivity for low speed maneuverability at 1 to 2 knots boat speed, and with a variable thrust Bow thruster like a side power, can be managed pretty well and safely at low speed ? Obviously once out into open water, no problems other thanOrcas mistaking them for a tasty snack and lines from lobster pots. So any opinions based on experience with twin rudders, and particularly Bavaria ones ? Or should I just stick with the single rudders and the benefits of propeller thrust from directly in front of the single rudder? I don't mind learning, and the Bavaria Shallow Draft depth on their boats, is right at the limit of what I can live with ok with a 1.6 mtr shallower Draft being about optimum, as it really didn't keep me out of any of the places I needed to get into. A Dufour I had, had the same 1.75 mtr Draft, and though it didn't seriously drop me into any trouble, there were just some places a lot of extra care was needed, sometimes a bit nerve wracking though in the ICW etc in the USA. I wish Boat builders would just drop the silly "Racer Pretensions" from what are clearly going to be mostly Family Cruisers, Cruising Liveaboards, and Charter Boats though. 3 examples, Deep Drafts, Twin Rudders and Twin Wheels, given Jefa do a brilliant single Wheel with thee position options -just press the foot release, move the wheel to Port, Middle, or Starboard- see Sirius yachts to see it in action? Or is that just too sensible for Boat Marketing people to tolerate .🤔
Hi Brown Noise, thanks for your comments, rudder configurations are a fascinating subject and you need to have the right one to suit your type of sailing. Can I suggest you contact Ben at Clipper Marine, they are the Bavaria dealer and experts so I am sure will be able to help, you can email them at sales@clippermarine.co.uk.
@@themarinechannel Thanks for that. I'm very impressed with Clipper Marine tbh, and I am likely to get a Construction slot should one be available via them, or buy a secondhand boat off them to get sorted out with Customisations I'll need. New would be easiest to get full customisation, and CM will willingly supply and Fit a Raymarine Network plus instruments, Transponders etc instead of B&G (nothing wrong with B&G, I'd just like to retain and build on the relationship with Raymarine, as they are looking at adding some Software Options I would like) Rear Cockpit Solar Arch, etc, plus as Out of Factory Customisations will be done in the UK, Having a Seago Liferaft, Safety gear and the 3mtr Hypalon Airdeck and keel Dinghy, Outboard, the Solar Panels, Custom Cruising Suit of Sails and such will be much easier to sort out. Nice People at Clipper Marine. Best Wishes. Bob. 👍
@@brownnoise357 I Have been sailing a Bavaria cruiser 46 for about 7 years now. I love my twin rudders. The boat is great under sail and is capable of very good performance (my speed record is 16.8 knots with this thing!). It is just so responsive, it's a dream to helm it once it's properly powered up. To be humbly honest, the twin rudders are slightly more difficult to manoeuvre at slow speed, compared to an average single rudder boat, but once you get used to them it very quickly becomes second nature. I wouldn't say it's a liability or a risk to damaging other boats and believe me, I've been in some tight marinas. Having sailed the B46 for 7 years now I think a conversion to a single rudder would be an absurd idea. You will very quickly get used to them and develop the skill and confidence to use them. (Probably less time than it would take to make a single rudder conversion) It's ultimately your boat and your decision, I'm just giving you my experience with the twin rudders.
@@lovropirkl2672 Thanks for your reply.tbh my big worry with the twin rudder setup is my like frequent visits to friends up the east coast of the USA, with visits coinciding leaving hurricane belt in the Caribbean, and which involve traversing some areas with pretty extensive fields of lobster and Crab pots, and how difficult it may be to avoid getting the rudders getting caught in them. Likely most issues can be avoided by only sailing in daylight, and by anchoring or using a Marina during hours of darkness though. So perhaps not as difficult a challenge as I’ve been anticipating. Thanks again and best wishes. Bob .👍🌟🌟⛵️
Very good tour. tbh, if this had a single Rudder, I'd be interested. But Twin Rudders are poor maneuverability in tight spaces at low speed, which can be a bad liability, as I try to avoid damaging other people's boats, as well as my own. Any idea if a single rudder conversion is possible ? 🤔 Probably cost way too much to consider I suppose. thanks again, now Sybscribing. 👍⛵️✨️✨️✨️
Hi Brown Noise, thanks for the observation, we are not sure whether a single rudder conversion is possible, but if we find out anything we will let you know. Thanks watching, keep an eye open for upcoming videos, we think you might enjoy some of the boats we have planned. All the best from us all at TMC
@@themarinechannel Apparently there are firms doing it, as a lot of formerly twin rudder Racing Sailboats are being converted to Single Rudder, but it is quite an expensive conversion, so a Twin rudder Sailboat would have to be a heck of a bargain price for me to even consider it - especially as it would likely require a deep keel conversion to a Shoal Draft Keel as well. The right boat at the right price however.
I think that the Bavaria yachts are my favourites, they look really roomy for their overall size and they are good value, thank you for the review
Thanks Kate, delighted you are enjoying The Marine Channel, we have lots of exciting boats coming....including some more Bavaria!
Your knackerd if you hit something no rudders not good
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A Bow thruster does mean you have emergency steering of sorts, but twin rudders really Suck for Cruising, and imho, only appeal to Sailboat Racing Fantasists, just like Deep Keels, which rule out huge numbers of places you may want, or need to go. Need = diving well into shallow water shelter to get out of the way of an incoming Storm. a beautiful Bay I did a lot of Sailing out of, Storms mostly arriving from the South West, had an excellent sheltered Bay to get close in , with a Bilge keel Macwester, 4ft+ Draft, could Anchor, hop in the dinghy, head to shore pub by the beach did nice food, back tobthe boat, and after a secure night's sleep, mostly a Storm had blown itself out. Anything over 5ft 8" Draft, and you couldn't get in and stay Afloat. Frankly, I find the Infatuation with Deep Draft and Twin Rudders is ruling out way too many Sailboats from the list of boats I'm otherwise very interested. One Manufacturer has a Shallow Draft option that has a Draft of 7ft 1" Deep! what's "Shallow" about that? It's not just the Bahamas it rules out as a Cruising ground. Sadvtoo, because below deck, the interior is perfect. 🤔😔
Further to my post below, regarding twin rudders, I could use some feedback on the Bavaria Twin Rudders in general, and not just on the 46 Cruiser. It seems some are not dangerously lacking in sensitivity for low speed maneuverability at 1 to 2 knots boat speed, and with a variable thrust Bow thruster like a side power, can be managed pretty well and safely at low speed ? Obviously once out into open water, no problems other thanOrcas mistaking them for a tasty snack and lines from lobster pots. So any opinions based on experience with twin rudders, and particularly Bavaria ones ? Or should I just stick with the single rudders and the benefits of propeller thrust from directly in front of the single rudder? I don't mind learning, and the Bavaria Shallow Draft depth on their boats, is right at the limit of what I can live with ok with a 1.6 mtr shallower Draft being about optimum, as it really didn't keep me out of any of the places I needed to get into. A Dufour I had, had the same 1.75 mtr Draft, and though it didn't seriously drop me into any trouble, there were just some places a lot of extra care was needed, sometimes a bit nerve wracking though in the ICW etc in the USA. I wish Boat builders would just drop the silly "Racer Pretensions" from what are clearly going to be mostly Family Cruisers, Cruising Liveaboards, and Charter Boats though. 3 examples, Deep Drafts, Twin Rudders and Twin Wheels, given Jefa do a brilliant single Wheel with thee position options -just press the foot release, move the wheel to Port, Middle, or Starboard- see Sirius yachts to see it in action? Or is that just too sensible for Boat Marketing people to tolerate .🤔
Hi Brown Noise, thanks for your comments, rudder configurations are a fascinating subject and you need to have the right one to suit your type of sailing. Can I suggest you contact Ben at Clipper Marine, they are the Bavaria dealer and experts so I am sure will be able to help, you can email them at sales@clippermarine.co.uk.
@@themarinechannel Thanks for that. I'm very impressed with Clipper Marine tbh, and I am likely to get a Construction slot should one be available via them, or buy a secondhand boat off them to get sorted out with Customisations I'll need. New would be easiest to get full customisation, and CM will willingly supply and Fit a Raymarine Network plus instruments, Transponders etc instead of B&G (nothing wrong with B&G, I'd just like to retain and build on the relationship with Raymarine, as they are looking at adding some Software Options I would like) Rear Cockpit Solar Arch, etc, plus as Out of Factory Customisations will be done in the UK, Having a Seago Liferaft, Safety gear and the 3mtr Hypalon Airdeck and keel Dinghy, Outboard, the Solar Panels, Custom Cruising Suit of Sails and such will be much easier to sort out. Nice People at Clipper Marine. Best Wishes. Bob. 👍
@@brownnoise357 I Have been sailing a Bavaria cruiser 46 for about 7 years now. I love my twin rudders. The boat is great under sail and is capable of very good performance (my speed record is 16.8 knots with this thing!). It is just so responsive, it's a dream to helm it once it's properly powered up.
To be humbly honest, the twin rudders are slightly more difficult to manoeuvre at slow speed, compared to an average single rudder boat, but once you get used to them it very quickly becomes second nature. I wouldn't say it's a liability or a risk to damaging other boats and believe me, I've been in some tight marinas.
Having sailed the B46 for 7 years now I think a conversion to a single rudder would be an absurd idea. You will very quickly get used to them and develop the skill and confidence to use them. (Probably less time than it would take to make a single rudder conversion)
It's ultimately your boat and your decision, I'm just giving you my experience with the twin rudders.
@@lovropirkl2672 Thanks for your reply.tbh my big worry with the twin rudder setup is my like frequent visits to friends up the east coast of the USA, with visits coinciding leaving hurricane belt in the Caribbean, and which involve traversing some areas with pretty extensive fields of lobster and Crab pots, and how difficult it may be to avoid getting the rudders getting caught in them. Likely most issues can be avoided by only sailing in daylight, and by anchoring or using a Marina during hours of darkness though. So perhaps not as difficult a challenge as I’ve been anticipating. Thanks again and best wishes. Bob .👍🌟🌟⛵️
Very good tour. tbh, if this had a single Rudder, I'd be interested. But Twin Rudders are poor maneuverability in tight spaces at low speed, which can be a bad liability, as I try to avoid damaging other people's boats, as well as my own. Any idea if a single rudder conversion is possible ? 🤔 Probably cost way too much to consider I suppose. thanks again, now Sybscribing. 👍⛵️✨️✨️✨️
Hi Brown Noise, thanks for the observation, we are not sure whether a single rudder conversion is possible, but if we find out anything we will let you know. Thanks watching, keep an eye open for upcoming videos, we think you might enjoy some of the boats we have planned. All the best from us all at TMC
@@themarinechannel Apparently there are firms doing it, as a lot of formerly twin rudder Racing Sailboats are being converted to Single Rudder, but it is quite an expensive conversion, so a Twin rudder Sailboat would have to be a heck of a bargain price for me to even consider it - especially as it would likely require a deep keel conversion to a Shoal Draft Keel as well. The right boat at the right price however.