In 1980 I spent my entire income tax return for this exact model lathe. Had a lot of tooling and attachments, steady rest, milling vice. I had a real machinist look at my purchase and he said I got a hell of a deal. I paid 750 bucks. Thanks for all the work you do for us Mr Pete. I learn something every video. I'm a new subscriber. Retired now and have no formal machine shop training. I'm restoring the 1946 airplane I learned to fly in.
It's Ed Campbell thank you Mr Pete for the input on the motor pully I like to say I injoy your site and by the way I saw one of your mistory tool videos the tool that looks like a big needle with a handle on it was used to sow berlap bags in textile mill hope that is helpful
Mr Pete, I don't have a large, but always wanted one. Your videos are so interesting. I think shop needs to be taught in high school again. Not everyone is college material, and there is Very good money to be had in the trades. Thanks, Jim
I love watching your videos Mr Pete. im getting ready to buy a craftsman 12x36 and i google that lathe and the first thing i saw was your videos. Great help. Thank you Sir!
I have the sears Craftsman 6" lathes model 109-0630(thread cutting gears) and that was manufactured in the 1940's and i also have the longer bed model 109-0702 it says made by sears and roebuck company manufactured in 1937 and I have repaired and restored both to running condition after watching your videos thanks for all the great videos.
The Craftsman 12" metal lathe was based on the 1935 Craftsman 12" wood lathe. Sears insisted on a 12" swing and although Atlas made them for Sears, Atlas, didn't offer a 12" until the 1950's. I have a late 1935 or early 1936 12 " I have been working on and works super. It's amazing how well and accurate so old a machine is....Russ
I began watching your informative videos last spring and was so inspired, I had to have a lathe. I was able to pick up a Craftsman 12 inch x about 24 for $500 off Craig's list near St Louis. I cannot locate a model number and from looking at the vintage machinery website, I believe it was made In the forties. It was not designed with a cover over the pullies but the gears are covered. I consider it in good shape and It had everything I needed to begin learning and have enjoyed doing so immensely. Thanks for your inspiration and informative videos.
In Northeastern Connecticut, during WWII many farmers had small home machine shops where they did piece work to support war contracts. In the 1980s there were a lot of those machines for sale as the old guys retired and sold their farms to developers. Good video. Good Luck, Rick
Awesome videos Mr Pete.Cant wait to view # 3. I have often wanted a Craftsman lathe. Maybe I will start going to "garage" sales. Never been to one before. It would be a "change of pace".Keep up the outstanding work dear friend.
not sure if anyone gives a shit but if you're bored like me atm you can stream all the latest series on instaflixxer. Have been streaming with my girlfriend these days =)
Some of the very early Craftsman 6 " lathes (1937-38) were the 101.07300, and did not have a back gear. That reduces some of your slower RPM speed choices. I have one I am rebuilding that is nearly finished. There has been some success by others using the DC motor and controller from a discarded exercise treadmill to power these smaller 6" lathes.
Mr. Pete, thank you for all the information you have put out on these great old American lathes. I recently found a 12x36 101.28990 with 5” 3 jaw, 6” 3 jaw and a 8” 4 jaw chucks some tooling with steady rest. I’ve been looking for a few years now and lucked up with one down the road from my house. I took apart and cleaned and noticed only real things wrong with it were the cross feed but was worn but most every thing else was in really good shape. I need to make a quill stop for tailstock and my only real question is on the back gear operation When I put it in back gears and it’s locked in and out of direct drive when I turn the lathe on after a few rotations the handle vibrates out of back gears. Do you know if there is an adjustment for the handle or any advice. It will stay in as long as you hold lever in with your hand. Thanks again and sorry for such a long message. Really enjoy your videos and the old catalogs you reference
I really do not remember what the fix is for that problem. I remember that happening on one of my machines. Is there an adjustment so that the two gears mesh a little deeper?
Wonderful video! Thank you so much for helping me get the most out of my Atlas 12! I will add that my 12" says Atlas Clausing and does not mention Craftsman.
Check bigbangcannons.com for flints. They are listed under "Ammo" for some reason, and called "Spark Plugs". These may be the correct size and only cost $2 for a set of five, so if they are wrong, it isn't too much of a loss.
I have a late model `12" on the cabinet branded Atlas. Model 3991. Restoration series underway. My thumbnail is the belt guard with the Atlas badge. I've not seen an early model 12" like the one featured in this video. They seem to be all Craftsman.
Saludos, Mr Pete. You will never guess what followed me home. Yes, you guessed it a 9" South Bend Model A , serial Number 10426NAR8. I think that makes it about 65+ years old. I paid $1050 and thought it was a bargain. Those SB lathes are just like puppy dogs they will follow any one home. I'm looking forward to making a lot of swarf with it.
I could be wrong, but I'm thinking the clutch was only on the Atlas 3000 or Craftsman Commercial series. It may be they didn't include them until after some certain date.. A lathe that came with the clutch should also be found to have STEEL bevel gears in the carriage.
Mr. Pete, I see yours is identical to mine other than you have the quick change feed thing. Mine requires gear changes in order to change the feed relative to the spindle speed. So my question is how to buy a quick change? Is it as simple as buying that part or does it require a different lead screw? Is it possible at all to put one on a lathe that didn't come with one? I have to little spare time to mess with the thing there just isn't much time for learning how to change the gears. It would be awesome if I could buy that part and bolt it on. By watching your other vids I see you know a lot about these lathes and it would appear if anyone would know the answer to that it would be you. I sure hopeyou see this given that the vid is nearly 6 years old. Thanks!
Thanks for the atlas lathe videos, I am a big atlas fan I have a 10F lathe ,MFB mill and a 7' Shaper. They are very fine machines made in the USA. Do you think they were marketed for the soldiers that served in WW2? I know many were trained in machineing trades and were interested in it after the returned to civilian life. Hope to see more on the atlas line of machinery.
Hello Mr pete... question for you. First of all let me tell you I enjoy all your videos and detailed information... My question for you... is.. how much you think it would be a fair price for one of these lathes... 101-07403.. I would like to get one.. and someone is selling one.. just like yours.. except the extra gears for threading... I have not looked at it.. and frankly don't no what to look for and what to stay away from.. thank you.. ahh it does not have the quick change gearbox.. thanks once again.
I have a Sears roebuck 6 inch atlas lathe that looks exactly like you’re 12 inch lathe. I’ve just acquired it and am desperately looking for info I don’t have a manual
99 dollars,,,lol,,,I payed 850 almost 100 percent appreciated,,,l checked the round out on my 12 inch and I thought my dail indicater was bad because the needle did not move at all,,,50 years old and no round out.
@@mrpete222 hey Pete question on my 12 x 36 craftsman atlas lathe quick change gearbox,,, I don't have the protruding clutch but if I tighten down to much to tread my gearbox does slip and stop turning,,, is there an internal clutch on on of them just not adjustable like the external clutch??
have the newer version .28910 anyone know if the discs inside the clutch ring are renewable have adjusted it to no avail...the ring on leadscrew leading into quick change box
Double A Products was an early maker of Companion, Dunlap and Craftsman machines for Sears, Roebuck & Co., under model number prefix 109. vintagemachinery.org/mfgindex/detail.aspx?id=1382
21:29 I’m a man that would rather take a severe beating around face and head before changing jaws on a chuck. Still laughing. Thought I was going watch a sleepy time video and hit the rack. Nope not happening
Adjusted for inflation, $16.95 is $283.26 in 2016 dollars. Grizzly's cheapest bandsaw is $299.95. To put those numbers in perspective, when I graduated high school in 1963, the minimum wage was $1.25 hour. I would have had to work 14 hours to buy one on minimum wages. The minimum wage today is $7.25 so a person would have to work 41 hours to buy the cheapest one Grizzly has!! Makes it very difficult for a working man to get ahead today!!
How did you get the $283 number? Using the CPI inflation calculator on bls.gov I've got 1963:$16.95 --> 2016:$133.30, and 1963:$1.25 --> 2016:$9.83. The 9" benchtop bandsaw at Harbor Freight is $140 on sale (and it's on sale most of the year), and while today's minimum wage is $7.25 (which is 25% lower than 1963 inflation adjusted minimum wage) it would still only take 20 hours to buy one today. I don't think the minimum wage is the culprit here...
Minimum wage is the culprit, or at least one of them. It is an artificial stimulus in the supply and demand cycle. In this case labor. People at the bottom *always* struggle, it doesn't matter the money or government system. It is just a fact of life. Minimum wage jobs are not designed to provide a living for a family, they are supposed to be an introduction into the work force. Mr. Pete should know this, he spent all that time trying to teach high school kids a skill so that they could make a decent living. Hiking the minimum wage only results in the cost of living also going up. That is why things that used to cost $10 now cost $100 and the people on the bottom rung of the workforce still struggle to eat. It is all relative. Pretty soon we will be like Mexico and be paying millions of dollars for things like a gallon of milk. That is unless the bottom falls out, which is what is more likely to happen here eventually. Bottom line; it sucks making minimum wage, I know, I have done it myself. You cannot live on minimum wage, not in 1970 and not today. Not ever. Just a fact.
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In 1980 I spent my entire income tax return for this exact model lathe. Had a lot of tooling and attachments, steady rest, milling vice. I had a real machinist look at my purchase and he said I got a hell of a deal. I paid 750 bucks. Thanks for all the work you do for us Mr Pete. I learn something every video. I'm a new subscriber. Retired now and have no formal machine shop training. I'm restoring the 1946 airplane I learned to fly in.
That was a good deal
It's Ed Campbell thank you Mr Pete for the input on the motor pully I like to say I injoy your site and by the way I saw one of your mistory tool videos the tool that looks like a big needle with a handle on it was used to sow berlap bags in textile mill hope that is helpful
Mr Pete,
I don't have a large, but always wanted one. Your videos are so interesting. I think shop needs to be taught in high school again. Not everyone is college material, and there is Very good money to be had in the trades.
Thanks,
Jim
Is that something you like?
We don't find your 'history lessons'' boring Lyle, please give more!
I love watching your videos Mr Pete. im getting ready to buy a craftsman 12x36 and i google that lathe and the first thing i saw was your videos. Great help. Thank you Sir!
I have the sears Craftsman 6" lathes model 109-0630(thread cutting gears) and that was manufactured in the 1940's and i also have the longer bed model 109-0702 it says made by sears and roebuck company manufactured in 1937 and I have repaired and restored both to running condition after watching your videos thanks for all the great videos.
My Atlas is circa 1937, and it is the 10 inch. I didn't know Sears had partnered with Atlas that long ago. Thanks Mr. Pete.
The Craftsman 12" metal lathe was based on the 1935 Craftsman 12" wood lathe. Sears insisted on a 12" swing and although Atlas made them for Sears, Atlas, didn't offer a 12" until the 1950's. I have a late 1935 or early 1936 12 " I have been working on and works super. It's amazing how well and accurate so old a machine is....Russ
Thanks
I began watching your informative videos last spring and was so inspired, I had to have a lathe. I was able to pick up a Craftsman 12 inch x about 24 for $500 off Craig's list near St Louis. I cannot locate a model number and from looking at the vintage machinery website, I believe it was made In the forties. It was not designed with a cover over the pullies but the gears are covered. I consider it in good shape and It had everything I needed to begin learning and have enjoyed doing so immensely. Thanks for your inspiration and informative videos.
(12 inch swing that is..)
Thanks for watching--good find on the lathe
Thanks for another great and informative video, Mr. Pete! I enjoy your reminiscing and looking at the old tool catalogs!
In Northeastern Connecticut, during WWII many farmers had small home machine shops where they did piece work to support war contracts. In the 1980s there were a lot of those machines for sale as the old guys retired and sold their farms to developers. Good video. Good Luck, Rick
Thank you, that was interesting
@@mrpete222Merry Christmas and a Happy and Healthy New Year. Good Luck, Rick
I bought one of these a few days ago from Ebay. Now I just have to pick it up tomorrow. Thanks for the video
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Awesome videos Mr Pete.Cant wait to view # 3. I have often wanted a Craftsman lathe. Maybe I will start going to "garage" sales. Never been to one before. It would be a "change of pace".Keep up the outstanding work dear friend.
Thank you Mr. Peterson, I can't wait to see the South Bend Lathe series.
not sure if anyone gives a shit but if you're bored like me atm you can stream all the latest series on instaflixxer. Have been streaming with my girlfriend these days =)
@Vance Jaiden Definitely, have been using instaflixxer for since november myself :)
Lyle, I know you already know this, but for your viewers, Atlas press was located in Kalamazoo, Michigan. I grew up there. Thanks again, Cliff
Very helpful. Love the catalog history too.
Thanks for the history lesson up front. That makes it more interesting presentation.
Some of the very early Craftsman 6 " lathes (1937-38) were the 101.07300, and did not have a back gear. That reduces some of your slower RPM speed choices. I have one I am rebuilding that is nearly finished. There has been some success by others using the DC motor and controller from a discarded exercise treadmill to power these smaller 6" lathes.
Awesome ! I sure miss working with my Bridgeport . I worked on a 12 inch . Thanks .
Mr. Pete, thank you for all the information you have put out on these great old American lathes. I recently found a 12x36 101.28990 with 5” 3 jaw, 6” 3 jaw and a 8” 4 jaw chucks some tooling with steady rest. I’ve been looking for a few years now and lucked up with one down the road from my house. I took apart and cleaned and noticed only real things wrong with it were the cross feed but was worn but most every thing else was in really good shape. I need to make a quill stop for tailstock and my only real question is on the back gear operation When I put it in back gears and it’s locked in and out of direct drive when I turn the lathe on after a few rotations the handle vibrates out of back gears. Do you know if there is an adjustment for the handle or any advice. It will stay in as long as you hold lever in with your hand. Thanks again and sorry for such a long message. Really enjoy your videos and the old catalogs you reference
I really do not remember what the fix is for that problem. I remember that happening on one of my machines. Is there an adjustment so that the two gears mesh a little deeper?
@@mrpete222 I’ll have to look a little deeper into it and I’ll get back with you thanks for the help
Just picked up a mid 1936 in amazing shape. The belts and pulleys are not completely covered like the later models
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Wonderful video! Thank you so much for helping me get the most out of my Atlas 12! I will add that my 12" says Atlas Clausing and does not mention Craftsman.
Thank you Mr. pete. ,I'm restoring a 618 .
Awesome
I enjoy looking through the old books. I'm still looking for the correct flint to fit your carbide light, when i find them i"ll send them to you.
Thanks you
Check bigbangcannons.com for flints. They are listed under "Ammo" for some reason, and called "Spark Plugs". These may be the correct size and only cost $2 for a set of five, so if they are wrong, it isn't too much of a loss.
thanks Mr. Meek. i"ll check there. many people in my area have them but nobody will part with any.
I have a late model `12" on the cabinet branded Atlas. Model 3991. Restoration series underway. My thumbnail is the belt guard with the Atlas badge. I've not seen an early model 12" like the one featured in this video. They seem to be all Craftsman.
great videos my granpa had a atlas lathe and now its out in the garage
Saludos, Mr Pete. You will never guess what followed me home. Yes, you guessed it a 9" South Bend Model A , serial Number 10426NAR8. I think that makes it about 65+ years old. I paid $1050 and thought it was a bargain. Those SB lathes are just like puppy dogs they will follow any one home. I'm looking forward to making a lot of swarf with it.
good buy!
I could be wrong, but I'm thinking the clutch was only on the Atlas 3000 or Craftsman Commercial series. It may be they didn't include them until after some certain date.. A lathe that came with the clutch should also be found to have STEEL bevel gears in the carriage.
You may be right??
Thank you for sharing. Great video.
I wish I could go back in time and buy every one of them out of that catalog.
Yes
Mr. Pete, I see yours is identical to mine other than you have the quick change feed thing. Mine requires gear changes in order to change the feed relative to the spindle speed. So my question is how to buy a quick change? Is it as simple as buying that part or does it require a different lead screw? Is it possible at all to put one on a lathe that didn't come with one? I have to little spare time to mess with the thing there just isn't much time for learning how to change the gears. It would be awesome if I could buy that part and bolt it on. By watching your other vids I see you know a lot about these lathes and it would appear if anyone would know the answer to that it would be you. I sure hopeyou see this given that the vid is nearly 6 years old. Thanks!
Thanks for the atlas lathe videos, I am a big atlas fan I have a 10F lathe ,MFB mill and a 7' Shaper. They are very fine machines made in the USA. Do you think they were marketed for the soldiers that served in WW2? I know many were trained in machineing trades and were interested in it after the returned to civilian life. Hope to see more on the atlas line of machinery.
Sounds like a nice shop you have. Many items were marketed for the GIs
great videos Mr P. Thanks
I have a 9X36 Atlas lathe from about 1936. (I heard you say that you had not seen an Atlas as anything other than 10”.
That Craftsman 6" in the '66 catalogue looks exactly like the British made Myford ML7
I wonder if the bought those in or whether they copied it?
I have a Craftsman 12 X 24 101.27580. So if I buy a quick-change gearbox, I will need a different length lead screw?
No sure
Thanks for sharing sir...
lol i had to look up Georgia Gibbs, yes i do remember her songs....
Hello Mr pete... question for you. First of all let me tell you I enjoy all your videos and detailed information...
My question for you... is.. how much you think it would be a fair price for one of these lathes... 101-07403..
I would like to get one.. and someone is selling one.. just like yours.. except the extra gears for threading... I have not looked at it.. and frankly don't no what to look for and what to stay away from.. thank you.. ahh it does not have the quick change gearbox.. thanks once again.
Without the gearbox, about $800
A friend is selling a 10” with a lot of tooling. I am not sure if the pricing is good.
Get it
I have a Sears roebuck 6 inch atlas lathe that looks exactly like you’re 12 inch lathe. I’ve just acquired it and am desperately looking for info I don’t have a manual
Check vintage machinery.org for a manual
Good video.
Hey Mrpete,could we use straight edge to check the ways?
I think you may see a Rockwell sold by Sears in later years
they may have used the "companion" mark to confuse folks with Champion brand...
Can you put a reversing switch on any 1/2 hp craftsman motor?
99 dollars,,,lol,,,I payed 850 almost 100 percent appreciated,,,l checked the round out on my 12 inch and I thought my dail indicater was bad because the needle did not move at all,,,50 years old and no round out.
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@@mrpete222 hey Pete question on my 12 x 36 craftsman atlas lathe quick change gearbox,,, I don't have the protruding clutch but if I tighten down to much to tread my gearbox does slip and stop turning,,, is there an internal clutch on on of them just not adjustable like the external clutch??
@@mrpete222 hey Pete trying to find a milling attachment for my 12 x 36 craftsman atlas lathe,,, any you want to part with?
Thank you!
Hi. I have a 12" Atlas Craftsman lathe that I need to know the pulley size on the motor. Do you know the size of this? Thanks
It's a double pulley. 2 inch and four-inch
have the newer version .28910 anyone know if the discs inside the clutch ring are renewable have adjusted it to no avail...the ring on leadscrew leading into quick change box
How where the tools offered , by mail order or store sales ?
Double A Products was an early maker of Companion, Dunlap and Craftsman machines for Sears, Roebuck & Co., under model number prefix 109.
vintagemachinery.org/mfgindex/detail.aspx?id=1382
someone on ebay makes and sells new half nuts and cross feed/compound nuts
21:29 I’m a man that would rather take a severe beating around face and head before changing jaws on a chuck. Still laughing. Thought I was going watch a sleepy time video and hit the rack. Nope not happening
Thank you very much
Where can I find that belt?
i have this very model
This one was new after 1957
I never did hear what that lathe cost.
Your hearing is just fine.
I have a Sears Craftsman metal lathe serial number 101 07 403 can anybody tell me anything about it when size it is anytime
I cannot help you on that
lol, $16.95 for a 10 inch band saw. You can't even get the blade for that price now.
Adjusted for inflation, $16.95 is $283.26 in 2016 dollars. Grizzly's cheapest bandsaw is $299.95. To put those numbers in perspective, when I graduated high school in 1963, the minimum wage was $1.25 hour. I would have had to work 14 hours to buy one on minimum wages. The minimum wage today is $7.25 so a person would have to work 41 hours to buy the cheapest one Grizzly has!! Makes it very difficult for a working man to get ahead today!!
Good analysis
How did you get the $283 number? Using the CPI inflation calculator on bls.gov I've got 1963:$16.95 --> 2016:$133.30, and 1963:$1.25 --> 2016:$9.83. The 9" benchtop bandsaw at Harbor Freight is $140 on sale (and it's on sale most of the year), and while today's minimum wage is $7.25 (which is 25% lower than 1963 inflation adjusted minimum wage) it would still only take 20 hours to buy one today. I don't think the minimum wage is the culprit here...
Minimum wage is the culprit, or at least one of them. It is an artificial stimulus in the supply and demand cycle. In this case labor. People at the bottom *always* struggle, it doesn't matter the money or government system. It is just a fact of life. Minimum wage jobs are not designed to provide a living for a family, they are supposed to be an introduction into the work force. Mr. Pete should know this, he spent all that time trying to teach high school kids a skill so that they could make a decent living. Hiking the minimum wage only results in the cost of living also going up. That is why things that used to cost $10 now cost $100 and the people on the bottom rung of the workforce still struggle to eat. It is all relative. Pretty soon we will be like Mexico and be paying millions of dollars for things like a gallon of milk. That is unless the bottom falls out, which is what is more likely to happen here eventually. Bottom line; it sucks making minimum wage, I know, I have done it myself. You cannot live on minimum wage, not in 1970 and not today. Not ever. Just a fact.
You hit the nail on the head!!!
I dislike auto spell, I don't have a lathe
Your ballast is noisy