I'm going to dedicate a full month to this book. This is the biggest blessing that I think is going to help me jump in my score. I've been wondering why when I review lr the entire passage was something completely different than what I was understanding. Thank you for this video. Thank you thank you
You guys are really giving me hope... I could not believe there are geeks out there for the LSAT like this !!!! I thank God for you guys... THERE IS HOPE FOR ME!!
Definitely agree with what she said at around 14:13. Ive heard some people recommend reading the question stem first and I can’t say I agree, tho obviously not everyone tests/learns the same. I find that reading the Stem first interrupts the process of coming up with a natural presupposition. Coming up with good presuppositions is probably the most important skill in LR, as it essentially allows you to answer questions accurately within the time limits. I think that when you already have the question stem in mind before you read, you read the stimulus in a “discriminatory” way that interrupts the active reading process. Instead of reading the stimulus for what it is and reacting to/challenging the text, you’re essentially scanning for specific ideas to hopefully answer the question. I think this is particularly troubling for defender assumption questions, find the principle, and weakening types
22:40 I noticed that a lot of the logical reasoning can sometimes seem to have the silly logic that you find in Alice in Wonderland and Through the Looking Glass. I try to remind myself that the logic in the LSAT is from a fantasy world, but the 'rules' of logic are still mostly the same in that fantasy world.
Awesome conversation! I do not have her book YET but after hearing this interview I'm convinced that it will do me great use to learn about her strategies and apply them. It sounds like it's exactly what I am having trouble with and was on the lookout for a good LR resource. Thanks Steve!
One of the issues that I seldom see addressed is how to develop an intuition to answer questions in light of the fact that to do well you have to average ~1:20 mins per question. There's no time to do a systemic analysis of the stem and the stimulus - it has to become obvious which, in my opinion, its akin to developing an intuition about what is right and wrong about the question.
First- thanks for these interviews! Truly appreciate the dedication and love for the sport of LSAT. Wondering if there is an average recommended time it takes to complete Ellen's book? Trying to figure out my study schedule asap. Thank you!
Steve, how many of Ellen's recommendations, i.e., meditation, cutting out the fluff, reading better, did you apply when you took the LSAT? By the way, Steve, what was your score?
Great questions, Milana! Ellen hadn't yet written her book or taken the LSAT yet back when I was studying, so I couldn't possibly have applied any of them :) But we're of like minds on many things as our discussion makes clear, though. And I got a 175.
I got her method but disagree on reading the stimuli first before the Q stem. It's a waste of time and brainpower to freaking analyze the argument and finding the "loopholes" only to later realize it's a MP Q. It's simply bad strategy for folks who aren't masters like her, which, i presume are the majority.
I’ve now had a look at the book TOC. My approach to LR has been about the same as Cassidy’s for years now; you need to analyze the stimulus, be familar with argument structure, and more or less teach of the 250 formal and informal fallacies, the ones that most commonly appear in LR stimuli. My only criticism is, if you’re quoting Aristotle Sophistical Refutations, at least give a footnote.
Hi, I took two diagnostic tests, one timed and one that wasn't. What I found was while I understood the questions and got the answers right i was very, very slow, also i have no idea what i'm doing when it comes to the logic games. I've been seeing your video chats with other test takers popping up but I finally decided to look into your resources after watching a prep test review by Kels Tels. I just ordered the book on Amazon and noticed it mentions a cd, how do i get it and what does it cover? I'm an auditory learner and would much prefer a cd i can listen to for some areas of the course/ test.
Hi there, I can't think of any good LSAT books that come with CDs (Loophole doesn't), but if you're an auditory learner, check out and listen to the LSAT Unplugged podcast (available on all major platforms). Which book were you referring to?
If you're referencing my response to Milana, I said she hadn't taken it *back when I was studying*. She actually used my day-by-day study plans to study for her LSAT (we talk about this in the video). However, she's now taught the exam for many years and knows what she's talking about - that's why I featured her!
I'd recommend looking at what we each have to offer, then decide for yourself. And keep in mind although each of our offerings are high-quality, we offer very different things. As far as I know, she doesn't offer an online class - she has an LR textbook, and I offer online classes and study plans, among other things. Wish you all the best with your prep! Steve
If you’ve studied logic and philosophy at harvard, and you were a big time debater, as i was, lsats are trivial. i’ve been teaching them for 35 years plus.
Good for you. Why don’t you get a 180 and get a full ride to Harvard law school and then make the big bucks? Because guess what an undergrad philosophy degree from Harvard gets you? A minimum wage job
I did go to law school. I am a molecular biologist and a life sciences patent attorney. I have hundreds of friends who went to Harvard Law. Lawyers don’t make the money you think. I practiced for about twenty years, but then I went over to business consulting in biotech/BioPharma. But yes, law school is very easy if you have a debating & philosophy background. I never had to study at all in law school, but usually had the best grade and knew the right answers in all the classes.
I also have an engineering degree from Penn, and I’ve taught at Wharton, Hopkins and other schools. The point of my comment was the important role of critical thinking. I am fairly religious and charitable. I don’t believe in money for its own sake. I believe in living a good family life, kids and a good marriage. Those are more important than riches.
that's not true. she's just super passionate about the lsat and that is really admirable to be honest because not a lot of people are as excited about the lsat as she is.
I loved her the moment she said "Hi!!!!!!!". Energetic people rock!
I bought her book when she did that
I absolutely love how excited and passionate she is about the LSAT, I have her book and it's so informative and has helped me so much!
Wow I just purchased her book two days ago! Her personality matches how much fun her book is to read. Definitely helps!!
I'm going to dedicate a full month to this book. This is the biggest blessing that I think is going to help me jump in my score. I've been wondering why when I review lr the entire passage was something completely different than what I was understanding. Thank you for this video. Thank you thank you
Glad to help - keep in touch!
You guys are really giving me hope... I could not believe there are geeks out there for the LSAT like this !!!! I thank God for you guys... THERE IS HOPE FOR ME!!
Her personality really comes through in her book
Definitely agree with what she said at around 14:13. Ive heard some people recommend reading the question stem first and I can’t say I agree, tho obviously not everyone tests/learns the same. I find that reading the Stem first interrupts the process of coming up with a natural presupposition. Coming up with good presuppositions is probably the most important skill in LR, as it essentially allows you to answer questions accurately within the time limits. I think that when you already have the question stem in mind before you read, you read the stimulus in a “discriminatory” way that interrupts the active reading process. Instead of reading the stimulus for what it is and reacting to/challenging the text, you’re essentially scanning for specific ideas to hopefully answer the question. I think this is particularly troubling for defender assumption questions, find the principle, and weakening types
Ellen's book has been tremendously helpful for me in my LSAT journey. I highly recommend the book!
I just bought Ellen's book.....hope it really helps me....LR is the bane of my existence. LOL
22:40 I noticed that a lot of the logical reasoning can sometimes seem to have the silly logic that you find in Alice in Wonderland and Through the Looking Glass. I try to remind myself that the logic in the LSAT is from a fantasy world, but the 'rules' of logic are still mostly the same in that fantasy world.
I ordered her book. I admire her passion for the LSAT and this interview she gives is extremely helpful. Thank you both!
Ellen is a shining star in a world of dark(i.e.) Pandemic.
great suppliment for the book. Thanks for this!!
Awesome conversation! I do not have her book YET but after hearing this interview I'm convinced that it will do me great use to learn about her strategies and apply them. It sounds like it's exactly what I am having trouble with and was on the lookout for a good LR resource. Thanks Steve!
One of the issues that I seldom see addressed is how to develop an intuition to answer questions in light of the fact that to do well you have to average ~1:20 mins per question. There's no time to do a systemic analysis of the stem and the stimulus - it has to become obvious which, in my opinion, its akin to developing an intuition about what is right and wrong about the question.
Switching to stem first has allowed me to save a couple minutes on invaluable time. That alone is worth it imo
First- thanks for these interviews! Truly appreciate the dedication and love for the sport of LSAT. Wondering if there is an average recommended time it takes to complete Ellen's book? Trying to figure out my study schedule asap. Thank you!
Thanks for all these videos boss! I love your channel
Glad you enjoy, Avi - please spread the word!
Steve, how many of Ellen's recommendations, i.e., meditation, cutting out the fluff, reading better, did you apply when you took the LSAT? By the way, Steve, what was your score?
Great questions, Milana! Ellen hadn't yet written her book or taken the LSAT yet back when I was studying, so I couldn't possibly have applied any of them :) But we're of like minds on many things as our discussion makes clear, though.
And I got a 175.
Thank you so much for this. This helped me out a lot
I got her method but disagree on reading the stimuli first before the Q stem. It's a waste of time and brainpower to freaking analyze the argument and finding the "loopholes" only to later realize it's a MP Q. It's simply bad strategy for folks who aren't masters like her, which, i presume are the majority.
ellen Cassidy is the GOAT!!!!!
awww i love her energy
Steve do you recommend diagramming every conditional statement and quantifier statements, should we memorize these rules ?
I wish I had known about this book before!
I need her LG book and I need it now
I love this.
I’ve now had a look at the book TOC. My approach to LR has been about the same as Cassidy’s for years now; you need to analyze the stimulus, be familar with argument structure, and more or less teach of the 250 formal and informal fallacies, the ones that most commonly appear in LR stimuli. My only criticism is, if you’re quoting Aristotle Sophistical Refutations, at least give a footnote.
Hi, I took two diagnostic tests, one timed and one that wasn't. What I found was while I understood the questions and got the answers right i was very, very slow, also i have no idea what i'm doing when it comes to the logic games. I've been seeing your video chats with other test takers popping up but I finally decided to look into your resources after watching a prep test review by Kels Tels. I just ordered the book on Amazon and noticed it mentions a cd, how do i get it and what does it cover? I'm an auditory learner and would much prefer a cd i can listen to for some areas of the course/ test.
Hi there, I can't think of any good LSAT books that come with CDs (Loophole doesn't), but if you're an auditory learner, check out and listen to the LSAT Unplugged podcast (available on all major platforms). Which book were you referring to?
Did she say she had another book she was working on, a games book? Thanks
Got it ( The Book ).
its super cringey
@@zachsabe why do you say?
How can I get in contact with her 😫
Is this old she is given recommendation and Steve you said she hasn’t taken it
If you're referencing my response to Milana, I said she hadn't taken it *back when I was studying*.
She actually used my day-by-day study plans to study for her LSAT (we talk about this in the video). However, she's now taught the exam for many years and knows what she's talking about - that's why I featured her!
LSAT Unplugged - LSAT Blog Podcast / TH-cam so what would you suggest your online class or hers I’m trying to decide
I'd recommend looking at what we each have to offer, then decide for yourself. And keep in mind although each of our offerings are high-quality, we offer very different things.
As far as I know, she doesn't offer an online class - she has an LR textbook, and I offer online classes and study plans, among other things.
Wish you all the best with your prep!
Steve
She looks exactly like Mary Louise Parker
she got so excited about LG that the vein in her head started bulging
God Ellen is such a thirst trap. Love her.
smokeshow 100% she’s also really funny if u read her book
If you’ve studied logic and philosophy at harvard, and you were a big time debater, as i was, lsats are trivial. i’ve been teaching them for 35 years plus.
MegaDsfsdfsdfsdfsdsf I don’t think he said logic was a major
@@contrarianthinker either way dude is a tool
Good for you. Why don’t you get a 180 and get a full ride to Harvard law school and then make the big bucks? Because guess what an undergrad philosophy degree from Harvard gets you? A minimum wage job
I did go to law school. I am a molecular biologist and a life sciences patent attorney. I have hundreds of friends who went to Harvard Law. Lawyers don’t make the money you think. I practiced for about twenty years, but then I went over to business consulting in biotech/BioPharma.
But yes, law school is very easy if you have a debating & philosophy background. I never had to study at all in law school, but usually had the best grade and knew the right answers in all the classes.
I also have an engineering degree from Penn, and I’ve taught at Wharton, Hopkins and other schools. The point of my comment was the important role of critical thinking.
I am fairly religious and charitable. I don’t believe in money for its own sake.
I believe in living a good family life, kids and a good marriage.
Those are more important than riches.
Of course, that’s easy for me to say. i have my harvard degree.
wow look at you
Nope.
Super painful to read, especially the first 30 pages
She’s not mentally stable.
that's not true. she's just super passionate about the lsat and that is really admirable to be honest because not a lot of people are as excited about the lsat as she is.
@William From Men threatened by smart women tend to brand them as "mentally unstable."