Line 6 POD HD500X - 4 Cable Method with Orange Rockerverb 50 MkII
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👆 The Line 6 HD500X is packed with bags of tone and loads of amazing sounding effects. But what if you want to keep using your current Guitar Amp??
The 4 Cable Method allows you to use all the rich warm tone of your amp with all the power of the Line 6 POD HD500X's effects.
Its is sureley the best of both worlds?
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This was filmed a day after the work was done in order to get the exclusive, the room has now been treated and sounds loads better.
I just got one of these and I'm learning to navigate it. So far it has left a very positive impression on me. I'm not 100% crazy with their presets, but I never am crazy about other people's tones, but these are tweekable. It's fairly intuitive as well. I'm pretty happy with the purchase so far.
Always a pleasure to listen to Paul play!
Paul Hindmarsh is awesome!
Thanks Paul, just had my morning boost of inspiration! SERIOUS CHOPS GOING ON THERE
Wow. I have had the jury out on these since their release. Not because I hated the tones, but because they seemed to force a choice.. Tube or Modeled?
BUT.. with the ability to switch your tube amps preamp in and out at will? Thats simply amazing.. allowing all of the versatility of the 500x to live in complete harmony with a normal tube amp.
That ability (to me) is a complete game changer, and adds TONS of value.
Great vid, Thanks
I use my Boss GT8 with this method... it turns your rig very versatile! And because I have an "Amp Control", I can change the channels on my amp (A/B). I highly recommend you to use this method with a tube amp ;)
Next tuesday as promised! Exellent...... Thank you Mr. Anderton!
Very cool, never fully understood the 4 cable method until now. Not sure if it's really my sort of thing but I do admire it at least!
It would've been interesting if there was a rocker verb modeller (is there?) in the Pod and you A/B'd it against the real thing.
This tutorial by far is the best video on the 4 cable method, as it effectively turns your single channel amp with an effects loop to a dual channel amp thanks to the modeling on the HD500x. Question, what output mode did you select for this? Studio, Combo Front, Stack Front, etc?
themarcoharder hi, i hope you got an answer somewhere else... if so can you share? 😊
you go power stack front or in... dont remember the setting name right now
Yes - they explained that a couple of times in the video.
I'm glad you brought that up. Thats exactly why I won't go this route. I have a 100 watt EVH 5150iii. This is an amazing head. But there is a noticeable difference with this in the loop. If you love the pure sound of your amp this WILL effect it. It's too bad, the versatility and the affordability makes this a great option. If it just had true bypass it would be a winner!
Totally agree. I've got a Mesa Mk V:35 which is an awesome sounding amp but putting the HD500 in 4 cable method sounds crap. If I just put the POD in the effects loop and feed the POD through a effects loop module (in the POD), it sounds OK (standard 2 cable effects loop) , but putting a guitar into the guitar input of the HD500 sounds horrible (background hiss and noise) with the tone sucked dry (4 cable method). It appears that the input stage of the POD just doesn't play nicely in front of a real amp.
Can it also bypass the preamp and feed the effects return directly? So to allow you to use modeling preamp or the real amp with a click.
You can switch your amp if your amp has a midi in like my Marshall 205
Any chance of you doing a demo of the 500x being used as a midi controller with a EVH 5150 III 50 watt?
switches my channels on my carvin legacy3, my carvin v3's, and anything midi. love it.
It takes a lot of tweaking to get a good sound. But it sounds better than boss GT 100. I’m going back to stomp boxes. Lol
The POD will send out all kinds of midi information so should have no problem switching an amps channel via midi. It just lacks the switching jacks that you would use for a normal two channel amp.
Question for the Line6 dudes - have they fixed the tone/level loss problem when using 4CM on the original HD500? The fix for that involves using two EQ blocks - before and after the loop - to correct the levels; losing those effects blocks pretty much permanently if you use 4CM sucks...
What a player man!!!
Hi Captain and Paul ,have a small question about the 4 cable method,how can i not losing the clean controls of my amp when using line 6 Firehawk and even hd500x ,because i managed to connect this 4 cable method but amp is not switching between clean channel and distortion,what is happening is that the amp stays on channel two but changes to clean preamp and clean channel controls are non functional,it's like it bypass the preamp and comes like full on volume in clean preamp
Finally figured out how to use the preamp section of my amp with 4 cable method. Sounds great.
+julian hegge There are plenty of tutorials on youtube on how to perform the 4 way cable method, it seems hard at first but once you start watching or observing, it becomes easy, trust me brother.
I am curious about using the 4 cable method to use the podhd500x with an axe fx ii. It seems like it would work. There was a statement made that the pod "cant change the preamp channels on the other amp", but what if the other amp accepts midi? Im also wondering if there is a way to make use of s/pdif in connecting the units? I currently own an hd500x, and have the axe fx on order, Im thinking of ways that I might integrate the two and am hoping to use the hd500 as a footswitch both to switch models on the axe fx and also to switch post preamp fx in the pod.
I have a line 6 spider IV 75 watt and a POD HD500X pedalboard, I need to help me understand how to connect the L or R output directly to the amplifier without losing the original sounds of the pedalboard, since I tried to set the amplifier in clean sound to get Better the sounds of the POD but it has been useless, it always sounds like stuck sounds.
Please do a video for a line 6 Pod X3 with 2 Bugera v22 tube heads mainly for stereo effects 7 CM?
Is there a certain way the switches should be set on this pedal. It makes my amp sound terrible. I've got a Randall Thrasher and it sounds really clean on the distorted channel of my amp when I plug in with the 4 cable method.
If you are connected via 4 cable method, how does the volume work, if you choose HD500X preamp? Does it go as much loud as it would if its amps preamp would be turned on?
A few people pointed out that there was a sort of tension between chappers and the line 6 guy as if they didn't really like each other (I didn't notice it personally) so it could be something to do with that?
Guys - I had a RV50 MKII and used the 4CM with it like I did with my Blackstar HT60 - (Enough acronyms?) I don't hear your amp doing this - but MINE would pop when turning on and off effects - I wonder if it was because I had the Impedance modelling set globally to the highest, instead of modelling the individual pedal impedances (Which can kill tone in other setups). I ended up selling my RV50 because of this issue, and it was like 100lbs. I've recently re-ordered the RV50 MKIII in head/1x12cab combo - and Would love some advice on how NOT to pop when turning effects on/off. I will eventually move on to Helix - but that assumes that Line 6 can ever manufacture enough to be in stock anywhere.
Line 6 would have really done themselves a favor if they would have put in an amp channel switching jack like the Boss GT-100 has. That's my ONLY complaint about the POD HD series.
how can I only use the simulations of the pod excluding the pre amp of combo ?? thank you so much
How do you use the looper function with the 4 cable method? Say i want to loope a phrase with certain sound and then play over it with a different sound, could this be done with the 4CM?
Can you use the 4 cable method (4CM) while using a Variax guitar as well?
I realise you said the HD500X can't change your amps channel. But I noticed it has a midi output... Do you know if you could put CC data into the patches so that you could switch channels on something like a blackstar series one that can chance channels from CC data? Cheers
So I use a pod HD 500 with the 4 cable method into a Carvin V3 head and use the pods midi control to channel change the v3. Bass the new hd500x eliminated this feature. Or does the orange amp not midi switch?
Chappers lives in Brighton now and probably drives to Gildford only once a week which is when they do their videos. Since Paul can play anything Chappers isn't really needed anyway to demo the Line 6 stuff.
Can you use the 4 cable method with a pre-amp/power amp set?
I have a Bogie Tri-axis & power amp. or is there another way to set it up?
Guitar to POD In, POD Send to Triaxis In, Triaxis Out to POD Return, POD Out to Power Amp In.
Is it possible to switch channels via midi? (Don´t know if the orange amp has a midi in, BUT IF...?)
Thanks
A few people might be thinking a bit too much...
Once upon a time
The Captain had a Baby
The Video Diary Changed
Paul and Chappers could not do the same dates
and they all lived happily ever after.
The End - Tim
capn, thanks for the vids...i have a question...would it be better to hook up a rocktron prophesy via 4 cable, or would one be as well to just run it to a power amp or pa or such...?....
and a note to chappers..: i would be willing to try a few different models of his guitars in southeast America and give an honest review / opinion... with .009's and / or .010's.
Hello
Are you sure the POD can't switch the channels of your amp, even if your amp has MIDI switching possibilities? (backstar S1-200)
Thanks!
Hello
Are you sure the POD can't switch the channels of your amp, even if your amp has MIDI switching possibilities? (I'm running a backstar S1-200, but haven't tested it yet)
And after searching through video after video I got the answer at Andertons. Should have known.
holidaying with old people on Brighton Pier !
Or ? any ideas Andertons fans ??
So to get your own amp head sound you just turn off the pre amp in the line 6? I have a Laney GH50L and want to use clean tone of it and use my line 6 as a stomp box. I feel like the clean isn't my tube clean of my amp when the amp on my line 6 is off. Suggestions?? Thx guys
There's an FX loop setting on the Line 6 you have to select. I recommend looking up a video specifically teaching you how to hook up using the four cable method. That's what I had to do at least...
The Pod can change channels on amps with midi compatibility
Chris Blythe how?
I do this with my Carvin V3. The Carvin has MIDI learn which makes it pretty damned easy.
Ted Henry interesting!
Watch Richie Castellano's video on 4CM. th-cam.com/video/3ZtY8bS-GQ0/w-d-xo.html Hope this helps. :) Cheers!
Is the amp's FX loop Series or Parallel?
Any chance u could post that patch on here?
I've never understood the need to do B and C roll footage while the speaker is looking at camera A. I wish this 'technique' would end, it's distracting and to me it feels like the producers are taking the piss.
Either that or get the talent to look at the camera that is being switched.
Rant over, must say Paul is a great guitarist and communicator of the capabilities of Line 6's gear, and I am a fan of Anderton's vids even though I don't actually live in the UK!
Can someone tell me what settings should i use to turn off my tube amps preamp? Or how to achieve this.
If your amp is MIDI ready the POD HD500X CAN change your channels on your amp.
Question. I'm looking into Marshall JVM 410, and since it has Midi in and outs, I was wondering how does it work, if you connect Midi cables and regular 4 cables? JVM has 4 channels, and 3 stages, green, orange and red, so actually 12 channels. Line 6 Pod HD 500X has 16 Midi channels. Is it possible to assign these channels trough out patches (songs) but also configure the structure of signal trough 4c method so you can operate trough signal. For example in one song you can be using Fender Twin Preamp from the Pod and configure it so it goes trough the power section of JVM with all effects being used, and then for the dirt you wanna go strictly trough the JVM (I don't like high gain amp simulations on Pod), but also use the effects. Or maybe don't just mix and match rather scroll trough the banks, clean on one patch and then go bank down for the dirt. I hope you get what I'm saying...
Also you can get the amp gizmo in unison with the 500X, to change the channels on your amp, if you're amp isn't midi.
Can this be done with the 500?
When you turn the amps off is it true Bypass because the HD500 isn't Im selling it
Paul is good, a demo guy from Line 6 - that can actually play a guitar, not like there guys in Australia, demoing to guys who can play 10 x better than them..
Can i controll master volume on POD if is run amplifier preamp?
Yes
can i use the 4cm withe a pod 500hd?
ppppplllllleeeeeeeaaaaasssseeeeee!!!!! can i do this with an amp wich doesn't have a parralell effect loop? mine is an hot rod deluxe and it has a serial effect loop, and i'm pretty sure that both preamp are on when i do the same as Paul in this video...
Sure you can. This Orange has a series loop as well. It will work with a series or parallel loop.
Not to forget of course that if you do run it in a parallel loop you will run into problems with phasing unless your post preamp FX are set 100% wet. You then need to be able to adjust the effect level some other way. Some guitar amps parallel loops have a mix control knob. Otherwise you will have to adjust in the pod. Not sure if you can do this. Parallel loops can be pain to set up. I trid using my old Pod XT live in the effects loop of my Diezel Einstein and it sucked tone quite badly. Hopefully the HD series has improved things.
F the tutorial, this guy is a great player !
So hard to understabd him with his british accent!
Please help anyone. If I correct, I can connect my Bugera 6262 with HD500X and using HD500X loop (send>return) to Bugera preamp Lead (input>send) and switches between Preamp and Poweramp (return) for cleans with just HD500X??? It would be ok? that not damage my bugera preamp? when it will be allways on when I skip preamp and go to poweramp for cleans?, I decide between HD500X and Helix LT, cos Helix have amp switching and HD500X not, but its more then 2 times expensive, and I thing that modulations are also great quality in HD500X right? Thank you for reply.
Where's Chappers?
they should put amp control in this new pod :(
3:20 instant farts
as much as I wanna love it, the modelling just sounds too digital, not for me :/
Here's the clean tone..... fart fart fart farty fart
Captain don't see or hear anything you are doing sorry
What is new about this?! I can use my "old" HD500 with the 4 cable method too. The guys re-discovered the hollow on the spoon!
i tired this way with mesa boogie mark v 25 and pod hd 500x it made the sound digital, keep away from this method
+Ender Binen Mesa fx loops are trouble makers, the effected signal comes in delayed and sounds fizzy therefore.
+Worshipcaster Would it blow what ever I do? Or is it possible to make it sound good? Thinking of doing this with my Mini-rectoverb, but if it wouldn't work that well can you tell me how to switch channel and effects without pushing 400 buttons as fast as possible?
+Kevin McDonald I use it with my mini rectoverb. It sounds great, but there is a little bit of noise that gets introduced.
Not the end of the world, but it can be annoying.
+Mark Lugg Thanks mate, but I ended up buying a Boss GT-100. Works fine for what I'm playing :)
Kevin McDonald Cool, man :D
That Orange amp sounded like poopoo
All that technology, wasted in a crappy sounding room.
Between the poor sound room and the extreme accent/mumble I only understood a tenth of what was said. This video was useless to me - I'm sure there are people that got it.
+78tag Same here.
Where are you placing your Loop Effect in the chain Please?
Is he wearing a bell and ross watch
I just run the HD500 in & out of my effects loop. Using only the HD500's Delays, Reverbs, and other modulation effects in my amp. I shut off the stomps, cab and amp sims.