Laugo has the advantage of making their pistols in the cheapest and most available centerfire cartridge. FK Brno has to convince people to buy into a weird boutique caliber.
@@JohnSmith-cw9pf well. The real 10mm is a bit hard to find. I'm talking about the original 1200/200 Norma spec load. Not the watered down 10mm that is basically 40 s&w spec you generally get at the local shop. And well 9mm is 9mm.
That's because it's not a lot of money to him. The same mindset that causes an emotional reaction to the price of things keeps your thinking small and limits your capacity to change your station in life. It's called having an abundance mindset and the confidence to bet on yourself. Jame's reaction says that he understands that it's a reasonable price for the engineering, patents, materials, support, marketing, etc. I get it. It's definitely a consideration. It would be stupid to pay $20k for it. But $6500? Not unrealistic at all. Those who obsess over the price of everything have a scarcity mindset and put unnecessary limitations on themselves.
...That's just crazy. I've watched the Alien, over the years, hoping it would someday get a wider production release at a more reasonable price, but heck even for a weekend plinker, this price makes the new CZ TS2O look amazing.
Fun fact: McLaren road cars are notorious for their embarrassingly poor fit and finish. A better automotive analogy for this pistol is probably Porsche, and more specifically like a GT3. Porsche turns out some of, if not *the*, best-built performance road cars today. The "Creator" does look sick, though! Thanks for look, TFBTV
I was hoping the comparison would be like a Tesla Model S (at least when it first came out) - expensive but just to make the money to establish manufacturing for cheaper models later.
The price is high, but people are paying 4-5k for gucci'd out 1911s and ARs. At least with this you are getting actual innovation rather than just a fancier version of something you could get for a tenth of the price.
The greatest gun designers in history are those who had good ideas AND made them accessible to others. I was really excited to see the ingenuity of this design in 2020. I’m disappointed they’d rather go the route of exclusivity than revolutionary.
That's just not how it works at all. The more people buy these guns, the more volume they can produce in their next lines of product. It's significantly easier to make one nice gun at 20000 a piece than 20000 mediocre guns at an affordable price point. They are far too boutique a gun company still, hopefully they can get to something sub 2k in the next 5 years..
I was really hoping this would go the opposite way with a 1500-2kish price point to compete with the 2011 market. I see a lot of guys buying Staccatos as a grail gun seems like a large market Alien could compete with if they ever make a "budget" version.
lol, staccatos run 2500 to over 3k. "cheap" 2011s are running 1800 and above. most premium 2011s are in the 3k to 5k range so this pistol is indeed competiting in the premium 2011 space. high end Atlas 2011s are running over 7k...
@@TheDiameter depends on the person and how much they are comfortable spending I guess 😅 3k is as high as i go for a handgun. My edcx9 is mostly a safe queen or tuxedo gun for parties and i usually carry my 229SAO legion. these guns are quite expensive to most people but kinda mediocre for others. 7k pistols are way out of my price range lol. My rifles With optics are 2k to 4.5k each, thats chump change for some long range shooters(some spend 4k on just the scope alone) and the night vision guys are spending 15k+ on their setups 👀 guns as a hobby is as cheap or expensive as you want it to be 🤣
Huh, it's cheaper than some plastic framed 2011s but with significantly more innovative, there's a lot more to developing and selling products than a machinist's salary.
@aaron4820 You act as if I didn't take that into consideration, including logistics and resources used to manufacture these. The CEO won't pay you bro, I promise. Get off that Grade-A copium
I couldn’t agree more with the previous commenter. You are NOT the target market for this gun. This is a competition gun. Competition guns are usually quite expensive because they’re specially tuned and have custom features. Laugo is a European manufacturer and in Europe, 9mm is king. This is not a hunting or self defense gun. I’m sure someone is doing it but very few people are shooting 10mm in competition. Nobody’s shooting .45 Super in any situation. .45 Super is practically a dead cartridge in the US and it NEVER had a life at all in Europe. A manufacturer like Laugo doesn’t care enough about your pet calibers to change their entire business model just to make a few guns that no one will buy anyway. You even admitted you wouldn’t buy the guns because they would cost more than you’re willing to pay for them. The guns cost what they cost. The guns demand a high price because they cost Laugo a lot of money to make them. The materials used are top notch. Laugo also has to recoup the cost of research and development as the gun doesn’t use a traditional Browning tilt barrel system. All of that cost money and the cost gets passed on to the consumer. You’re too poor to buy one of these pistols.
@@thh4584 except it gets a bit too hot for an average practical shooting training session.. fine for comp day when you have plenty of downtime between stages
@@Snowtail07 , You busted me. I am poor. That's the result of putting my four children through college; not wasting my money on competition pistols, when I don't participate in competition shooting events. I will always be more proud of my children graduating from college and my mortgage being paid off, than any gun I own or will ever purchase. But that's just the poor in me.
That's pretty steep for any pistol. I'll go with the notion that if you don't earn an income through shooting in competitions, this pistol sounds more like one of those for the millionaires who spends 20K on some fancy marble tops for his wife's new kitchen without even winking and who considers his Rolex Oyster Perpetual 28 as his budget everyday watch.
It's a pistol for the European market, where most shooters follow the "buy once, cry once" mindset in regards to their guns. The bottom line actually is remarkably similar to the US "the more the better" mindset. It's just that a shooter in Europe will generally have just a very few top-notch guns instead of a truck-load of cheap guns. You can only shoot one gun at a time, so why would you then prefer 5 mediocre guns to a single piece of mechanical art?
I'd be curious to hear how the shooting experience with the Alien Laugo compares to shooting the new Rock Island Armory 5.0. I know they're in very different market segments, but I wonder how RIA's new recoil system compares because they both have very low bore axes.
ah yes, the most logical step after 5 years of being on the market: release a new model that costs 50% more. I don't know what needs to be done to expand production capacity while drastically reducing the cost per unit, or if Laugo has any intention of ever actually doing this. But I really wish they'd get their heads out of their collective ass.
This weapon isn't meant for the masses. It's a boutique pistol for discerning customers with deep pockets. I think the McLaren analogy is perfect: not everyone can own one, but if you can it's great. You, me, and the other average Joes out there will likely never be able to afford the Alien, but that's just how it is.
@@seanherrmann6301 the fundamental mechanical designs that it uses aren’t revolutionary from a manufacturing perspective. The comparison isn’t nearly as fitting as you’d think. You can’t reduce the machining steps from a McLaren twin turbo V8, or at least not enough to matter. You can’t really reduce the cost of a carbon fiber chassis. You can’t change the alloys of steel and aluminum used to something more affordable without completely redesigning part geometries. But there are tons of ways to reduce the cost of the Laugo, and tons of reasons that it really shouldn’t cost as much as it does. It doesn’t use any exotic alloys, and it doesn’t require any novel methods of construction. Just reduce the number of machining steps, and if that involves switching to an injection molded polymer frame, so be it.
@@124thDragoon I think you missed the point. It's not that they couldn't do what you've suggested, it's that they won't because they're marketing the pistol to a specific clientele.
🤣 dude for 6500-7000 you can buy a full custom 2011 and choose every square inch of the entire thing from size, shape, texture, color, finish, accessories and then pick your own personalized serial number on top of that. Just outrageously priced standard production assembly line guns. At least we have the RIA 5.0 that's basically this but the company understands manufacturing costs and how to keep them in the realm of reality
I would still buy a RIA 5.0 and then take the leftover money and buy a hot tub, champaign, cigars, and some girls. Then take a video of me lighting my cigar with flaming cash and shooting targets from the tub laughing and saying, "I'd buy that for a dollar! Hahahahaha"
If they clone it hopefully the fix the dainty guts. A fart from an ant causes it to not function. It's disgusting how bad this gun is especially at the price
@@jasonmullins3900 it's sad because it has potential to be one of the greatest guns produced. Not the best but one of them. It's just not made for anything other than competitive shooting. And considering the price it should be able to stand at least some normal wear and use. I literally saw with my own eyes this gun two different generations fail because of dust and sand very minimal mind you and also it's picky about ammo from my experience. It's so fickle it's not been shot in months and is actually for sale but nobody wants it around us because we know exactly how it preforms. 2500 buys it but I'd rather shit in my hands and clap then own it. I hope PSA makes one and fixes the weak design of the internals.
"Just quite being poor" is the usual response when I say the same thing about NVGs and the $10,000+ you'll need for the tech and accessories for something that most people can't use outside of larping on their property.
So the spiritus business model is my friend. I'm called poor just for saying that I have a Sig optic, lol. Kind of a juxtaposition when my wife first listened about my collection and said "you spend 10k on guns?!" Of course I lied and said no it wasn't ten. Did the math and realized it was closer to 12-15 and none of it is "Gucci" to me.
They still make Ferraris and Lamborghinis because people buy them. Just because the general public can’t afford them doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be produced
@@bradenmchenry995 I 💯 agree. My point was i find it funny how people on threads and videos make it seem like 99% people are running nods now and call me "poor" for not finding enough utility in it to invest into them are also the same people complaining about the price for an imported, uniquely designed pistol.
Love the product , but with the key design criteria of "Price Being No Object" is a product geared to a very small market share. If I want extremely low recoil in a center fire pistol, why not go with the new M&P 5.7. According to the Honest Outlaw is an extremely low recoiling pistol. There are multiple ways to manage recoil w/o the need to throw money at it. Seems like a very expensive solution to a problem that can be easily rectified with a lot less cost.
Because the 5.7 isn't legal in any sanctioned competition... This is for people who wanna shoot Production or Production Optic division in IPSC or USPSA.
I had called lancer and they gave me the new Laugo email. I need an optics rail for my pistol. Have not received a response, and there is no phone number to reach them. I didn’t hear him mention what they changed to address the heat issue. Very difficult to use in a completion scenario, it gets far to hot to be comfortable very quickly.
I would like to have an alien. Maybe I'd even spend around 4000€ for one. But improvement that they should incorporate is a threaded muzzle. With the barrel not moving it would be a great suppressor or muzzle break host.
In my humble opinion how good would the optic be if they spend as much time and resources on building "an engineering marvel" of a pistol. IDK man proprietary red dot? Just knock the price down a bit and give us different cut options on the slide to allow customers to run what they like or already have. Kinda makes me not believe the hype suggesting they want their own dots to make more money. But what do I know? Could be way off on this take.
He didn't say they developed the red dot in house, they said it's a private label. Meaning they took an existing design made a couple tweaks and put their name on it.
I bet this thing is really sweet but honestly so is a Canik Rival and the Rival only costs $630 for the polymer version and $750-800 for the steel frame version and both of those are also a full kit including a TSA approved case, match grade trigger and barrel, mag well, extended mag base plates, a bunch of optics mounts, a good competition holster, a charging handle, and fantastic ergonomics on the pistol itself. Only draw back is that it includes 2 mags instead of 3. Honestly I'm sure this gun is better than the Canik but all's I'm saying is that the Canik is good enough that the USPSA carry optics national championship was won by a shooter using a Canik Rival. It's objectively a fantastic pistol with very high quality manufacturing and quality control and it comes with everything you need except for a third magazine and it's only $630--thats less than a basic Glock MOS and it's better than a Glock by miles and I say that as a devoted Glock shooter and fanboy. If you're ballin on a budget like me and most of the American population the Canik is the best bang for your buck.
Wow maybe if I sale my house and car I might be able to afford one. Thanks James for the shot show coverage. It's nice to see all the cool gadgets and firearms coming out in 2023.
Actual stupid price. Paying like 10x price of materials. The parts are made on C&C, only need a few operators for the whole company. They could charge half (which would still be a ridiculous price) and be fine.
I puked when I saw the red dot mounted on the rail... Why even have a low bore axis with a red dot that sits 1.5" off the top of the pistol?! Probably a footprint that no red dot manufacturer will ever make a run of. The love of money ruins everything.
That pistol better be made out of gold or platinum, cuz heck nah I ain't spending 4.5 grand on a pistol that does what a pistol does, like that sh1t better comes with A.I. that does my taxes and takes my wife to olive garden
So they make their own optics, but the way it mounts still looks like something slapped together from AliExpress. They need to make the dot as a single unit built into the topstrap.
Right?! I've seen Bushnell's with lower profile than that optic. They praise their low bore axis then slap a fat red dot on it!! Something like a holosun SCS integrated into the topstrap would be awesome!
They probably went to the Chinese OEM that makes the Vortex Optics red dots you can find on AliExpress and asked for a version with Alien branding. I would be shocked if that isn't the case.
Last November, at the IPSC World Shoot in Thailand, out of about 1700 competitors, I saw about 20 Aliens. And none of the owners were serious contenders to winning anything. The flip side of that is that I saw probably less than 10 Glocks. That game is dominated by CZ 75 variants, CZ Shadow 2 being the most popular now, and 2011 variants.
@@repentnow1720 I didn't even know about this cartridge. Is it a necked down 9mm? That would be sick. Also 5.0 doesn't seem to have bore axis as low, but I guess it is the closest thing poors like me can get :D
@@not_your_business666 Sort of; the SAMMI purists would say no, but that is quite a close generalization / assessment. A 39 grain bullet (think 22 LR) in a necked-down casing that has the same case diameter and overall length as a 9mm (so it fits in 9mm magazines!). It looks like someone took a 357 SIG and left it in the dryer too long and shrunk it from a 10mm to a 9mm case. It screams down the range at 2000+ FPS and is super flat w ZERO recoil. It is my personal favorite. It is also made by RIA - hence my desire to acquire a RIA 5.0 with a second 22TCM9R barrel. : )
@@thh4584 and that is why I didn't say I wish this company would do..... Fill in the blank... I said maybe another company can move in a similar direction at a lower price point.... If only reading and comprehension was still being taught in schools
@@hopewilliams6705 Ooh passive aggressive much. Maybe if you knew this firearm and it's inner workings you could understand why it can't be made at a cheaper price point. So please do comeback with another snarky passive aggressive reply.
@@thh4584 well explain it's intrinsic nature in relation to the inherit cost of manufacture to me... I always heard if you can't explain something simply you don't know it well enough
I'd like to see a more affordable polymer frame version. Just because it was intended for competition doesn't mean it wouldn't also be a good duty pistol if they cut some cost and weight
It's trying to compete in a price range that most people aren't cross shopping this pistol for. If you put this next to an Atlas, Staccato, TTI, Nighthawk, race spec 92/CZ etc. etc. this thing isn't getting looked at twice.
While i understand that's the feedback from their 3 total buyers, the feedback from everybody else couldn't've been more clear: use the economy of scale and make em cheaper!
It would be more interesting with a locking block closure instead of gas piston. It will still have the barrel not tilting and be more reliable with all type of ammo (also naked led... even if no-one uses). Still a very interesting pistol, overall. 🇮🇹
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Surprised no one mentioned that these guns have a serious design flaw...the barrel is so low that the heat transfers into the grip under moderate-heavy use making it unbearable to hold under sustained firing.
Pit viper or combat master are basically the Staccato XC with TTI branding. Iirc combat master was even made by Staccato. An 8k gun with polymer grip still? Seems like an Atlas is a way better comparison to this Laugo imo
These guys smoking rocks….great technology and innovative but 6-7k?! Nah maybe 2-3k I could see. This like a market place ad of a semi cool car and the seller saying “no low ball offers I know what I have” lol 😂
I hate how people use “flat shooting” to describe handgun recoil. Flat shooting has always referred to the ballistics of the round not the recoil impulse…
I wonder how much it costs to produce one of these. I hoped the cost would come down after their first few batches paying for the r&d, but I guess not.
@@aaron4820 yeah, but that's because rich people use them as status symbols, not because they are plausibly 5 more expensive to manufacture than anything else except hand-made 1911s and 2011s.
At 7000 bucks you're not gonna run this hard. If you're really into precision pistol shooting you probably want something with more aftermarket support to fine tune it to your needs. So its a status object. As he said, like a McLaren. If i had 7000 bucks to put into a status symbol handgun, I'd save 500 more and get myself an Anderson wheeler mk7, that's a little fancier in my opinion, but thats a matter of taste. I'm sure this will find its buyers, the normal alien should've already failed by every criteria and its doing just fine.
LUAGO ALIEN will be the ROLEX's of high end handguns. Make it available in Titanium or Platinum, etc.. The Gold and Black CREATOR is going to be off the hook. Plus with a better grip angle. Slowly but surely they are going up. And the pricing is what it is. HighPoint vs GLOCK or WALTHER. ROLLS ROYCE 's will never be available in Mercedes Benz pricing, etc..
One gun andies just want to be cool via validation from others. It's.. Something alright. I'm pretty rough on my EDC bumping into stupid stuff like the table occasionally. It would send me through the roof if I spent up to 6k on a pistol and it had one scratch on it. No time for the 'precious' when it comes to guns I feel.
I’d rather have a honey badger and 2 loaded Cz 75’s… or 9 glocks…. Or 2 beretta 1301’s and 3 sig 226 legions with dots… or a million other bad ass combinations.
Well goddamn. Just did a refinance to buy the first one, now I have to do it again for the new version! Laugo, can you at least send me that hat?? Should've come with the full kit so I can represent!
3:42 I love how the sky literally darkens when he announces the price
😂😂
Still cheaper than that John Wick Taran Tactical thing.
Good catch.
God spoke and said go back to the Canik Rival and Darkside
Think that was camera exposure but I see your point lol
I like how everybody was waiting for laugo to make a cheaper version like FK did.
Instead they did the exact opposite.
ebig trool
Laugo has the advantage of making their pistols in the cheapest and most available centerfire cartridge. FK Brno has to convince people to buy into a weird boutique caliber.
Most ship with an extra 10mm barrel, and 9mm conversion kits are available. Those cartridges aren't exactly "boutique".
@@JohnSmith-cw9pf well. The real 10mm is a bit hard to find. I'm talking about the original 1200/200 Norma spec load. Not the watered down 10mm that is basically 40 s&w spec you generally get at the local shop. And well 9mm is 9mm.
I just posted the same thing before reading your comment. They Went the wrong direction in price. Very strange
lol, I mean that's probably a sign that sales are doing pretty good for them and whatever the state of their current production capacity is
A steal at only * puts pinky to mouth * One Million Dollars… Congrats to James for not laughing when he dropped that price 😂
That's because it's not a lot of money to him. The same mindset that causes an emotional reaction to the price of things keeps your thinking small and limits your capacity to change your station in life. It's called having an abundance mindset and the confidence to bet on yourself.
Jame's reaction says that he understands that it's a reasonable price for the engineering, patents, materials, support, marketing, etc. I get it. It's definitely a consideration. It would be stupid to pay $20k for it. But $6500? Not unrealistic at all.
Those who obsess over the price of everything have a scarcity mindset and put unnecessary limitations on themselves.
@@gunsandcommissions inside he's laughing. All of us are laughing at the price. 🤣🤣🤣
@@gunsandcommissions boy that’s an abundant amount of bullshit
@@gunsandcommissionspeople who use the term "mindset" have lost their mind
It really is a lot of money for the average person, but for a high-level competition shooter or collector, it’s not that much.
Hopefully the design technology in this will one day be translated into a scaled up production capacity and more accessible price
It's a flawed design that is impractical, so hopefully not.
I'm sure the Czechs will be stealing it and producing cheap versions any day now...
@𓀐𓂸 exactly, it's not a viable design.
Lol, how many of you “engineers” had the opportunity to hold it in their hands or even shoot it? Stop being poor ffs
M&P 5.7 for a gas oparated pistol. Maxim 9 if you insist on roller delay?
Fun fact: the Scorpion EVO 3 and the Laugo Alien were designed by the same person
Really
Would be cool if Laugo partnered with CZ to produce a pistol with the Alien's design technology at a more affordable price
Glad I don't own either, thanks for showing me how stupid they are and you to
@@Specter044 would be Cool if Laugo Partnered with Glock and produced it Unchanged for the next 300 Years
Man The Czech are just Talented in Gun Designs
...That's just crazy. I've watched the Alien, over the years, hoping it would someday get a wider production release at a more reasonable price, but heck even for a weekend plinker, this price makes the new CZ TS2O look amazing.
This price makes my FN look amazing 👏 and it is. 😉 😜
Fun fact: McLaren road cars are notorious for their embarrassingly poor fit and finish. A better automotive analogy for this pistol is probably Porsche, and more specifically like a GT3. Porsche turns out some of, if not *the*, best-built performance road cars today. The "Creator" does look sick, though! Thanks for look, TFBTV
I had to do a double take when he said McLaren lol
No a better comparison would be Pagani or Koenigsegg
@@bradenmchenry995 Yep - That's what I call mine - The Pagani / Apex Predator of 9mm handguns! It really is the perfect 9mm.
I was hoping the comparison would be like a Tesla Model S (at least when it first came out) - expensive but just to make the money to establish manufacturing for cheaper models later.
and Bubba's Chevy is better than JoeBob's Ford
The price is high, but people are paying 4-5k for gucci'd out 1911s and ARs. At least with this you are getting actual innovation rather than just a fancier version of something you could get for a tenth of the price.
Luago: "It's like buying a McLaren."
Me: just shed a couple tears thinking about the 11 year old second hand Scion in the garage.
But it's running and been good to ya right?
The greatest gun designers in history are those who had good ideas AND made them accessible to others. I was really excited to see the ingenuity of this design in 2020. I’m disappointed they’d rather go the route of exclusivity than revolutionary.
That's just not how it works at all. The more people buy these guns, the more volume they can produce in their next lines of product. It's significantly easier to make one nice gun at 20000 a piece than 20000 mediocre guns at an affordable price point. They are far too boutique a gun company still, hopefully they can get to something sub 2k in the next 5 years..
@@aaron4820 sorry to disappoint you. But Kel-tec has that sub 2k thing covered already. 😃😄
The ultra rich got automobiles before everybody else, just give it time
Uh Walther CCP? And uh compact version to up sales. uh
6500 - 7k? Yeah, gonna definitely skip that one.
FK BRNO is far superior $2k for a polymer handgun with 3 caliber conversions
@Mr.Doverfield I hadn't seen that before. Comes in the 10mm everyone been drooling over too.
you were never the target market
@@Jiggaboots420 wait a minute didn’t you make the same comment when people questioned Hi Point making a solid 24k gold C9? Cope and seethe hype beast
@@MrDoverfield it is not superior at all. The Alien easily out performs the FK.
I was really hoping this would go the opposite way with a 1500-2kish price point to compete with the 2011 market. I see a lot of guys buying Staccatos as a grail gun seems like a large market Alien could compete with if they ever make a "budget" version.
lol, staccatos run 2500 to over 3k. "cheap" 2011s are running 1800 and above. most premium 2011s are in the 3k to 5k range so this pistol is indeed competiting in the premium 2011 space. high end Atlas 2011s are running over 7k...
@@DefZen343 I don’t think I could justify spending that much on a handgun even if I was a millionaire
Staccatos are 2,500-4k dollars
@@bradenmchenry995 you can get some under 2k.
@@TheDiameter depends on the person and how much they are comfortable spending I guess 😅 3k is as high as i go for a handgun. My edcx9 is mostly a safe queen or tuxedo gun for parties and i usually carry my 229SAO legion. these guns are quite expensive to most people but kinda mediocre for others. 7k pistols are way out of my price range lol. My rifles With optics are 2k to 4.5k each, thats chump change for some long range shooters(some spend 4k on just the scope alone) and the night vision guys are spending 15k+ on their setups 👀 guns as a hobby is as cheap or expensive as you want it to be 🤣
This comment section has more sour grapes than an abandoned vineyard
As someone that's worked in precision machining, both by hand or via cnc, there's really no reason for it to be that costly.
They either think we’re rich or fools, sadly, some of us are both. Shame on them. Lol
Huh, it's cheaper than some plastic framed 2011s but with significantly more innovative, there's a lot more to developing and selling products than a machinist's salary.
@aaron4820 You act as if I didn't take that into consideration, including logistics and resources used to manufacture these. The CEO won't pay you bro, I promise. Get off that Grade-A copium
@@aaron4820 Ive done a lot of 2011 research and never came across anything with a price tag that would make this look cheap.
@@aaron4820 2011’s don’t have plastic frames.
Make it in .45Super or 10mm to take advantage of the recoil and muzzle jump and cut the price 25-50% Then I might be interested.
You're not the target market, broh. No one cares
@@alexglenn2122 ok
Poor person detected
No one is the target market
I couldn’t agree more with the previous commenter. You are NOT the target market for this gun. This is a competition gun. Competition guns are usually quite expensive because they’re specially tuned and have custom features. Laugo is a European manufacturer and in Europe, 9mm is king. This is not a hunting or self defense gun. I’m sure someone is doing it but very few people are shooting 10mm in competition. Nobody’s shooting .45 Super in any situation. .45 Super is practically a dead cartridge in the US and it NEVER had a life at all in Europe. A manufacturer like Laugo doesn’t care enough about your pet calibers to change their entire business model just to make a few guns that no one will buy anyway. You even admitted you wouldn’t buy the guns because they would cost more than you’re willing to pay for them. The guns cost what they cost. The guns demand a high price because they cost Laugo a lot of money to make them. The materials used are top notch. Laugo also has to recoup the cost of research and development as the gun doesn’t use a traditional Browning tilt barrel system. All of that cost money and the cost gets passed on to the consumer. You’re too poor to buy one of these pistols.
I like many people love this system and it's advances in technology, but is way out of the price range for so many!
Well it's not for everyone.
@@thh4584 I'm pretty sure that the price tag alone reflects that!
I don't believe it is mass produced. I know that was why the first one was so expensive. It's a gun for the rich dude that has everything.
@@codiwonkanobi9788 It's serious competition gun not a collectable.
@@thh4584 except it gets a bit too hot for an average practical shooting training session.. fine for comp day when you have plenty of downtime between stages
I'd have to be earning a salary with my gun to spend that much. Not poor; just practical.
The people who buy this are the people who buy Nighthawks and stuff. Specific market
every poor says that - starts laughing then starts crying -
@@Snowtail07 , You busted me. I am poor. That's the result of putting my four children through college; not wasting my money on competition pistols, when I don't participate in competition shooting events. I will always be more proud of my children graduating from college and my mortgage being paid off, than any gun I own or will ever purchase. But that's just the poor in me.
@@traeucity6087 lol curses for us being responsible adults!!! Oh well, at least we will always have Palmetto State Armory
@@Snowtail07 , Indeed.
That's pretty steep for any pistol. I'll go with the notion that if you don't earn an income through shooting in competitions, this pistol sounds more like one of those for the millionaires who spends 20K on some fancy marble tops for his wife's new kitchen without even winking and who considers his Rolex Oyster Perpetual 28 as his budget everyday watch.
It's a pistol for the European market, where most shooters follow the "buy once, cry once" mindset in regards to their guns.
The bottom line actually is remarkably similar to the US "the more the better" mindset. It's just that a shooter in Europe will generally have just a very few top-notch guns instead of a truck-load of cheap guns. You can only shoot one gun at a time, so why would you then prefer 5 mediocre guns to a single piece of mechanical art?
I'd be curious to hear how the shooting experience with the Alien Laugo compares to shooting the new Rock Island Armory 5.0. I know they're in very different market segments, but I wonder how RIA's new recoil system compares because they both have very low bore axes.
My bet is the RIA 5.0 is more bang for the buck, lol.
Interestingly, neither of these have axes within the bore.
@@brrrt7623 Axes is the plural of axis, you stupid jackass.
ah yes, the most logical step after 5 years of being on the market: release a new model that costs 50% more.
I don't know what needs to be done to expand production capacity while drastically reducing the cost per unit, or if Laugo has any intention of ever actually doing this. But I really wish they'd get their heads out of their collective ass.
This weapon isn't meant for the masses. It's a boutique pistol for discerning customers with deep pockets. I think the McLaren analogy is perfect: not everyone can own one, but if you can it's great. You, me, and the other average Joes out there will likely never be able to afford the Alien, but that's just how it is.
@@seanherrmann6301 the fundamental mechanical designs that it uses aren’t revolutionary from a manufacturing perspective. The comparison isn’t nearly as fitting as you’d think. You can’t reduce the machining steps from a McLaren twin turbo V8, or at least not enough to matter. You can’t really reduce the cost of a carbon fiber chassis. You can’t change the alloys of steel and aluminum used to something more affordable without completely redesigning part geometries. But there are tons of ways to reduce the cost of the Laugo, and tons of reasons that it really shouldn’t cost as much as it does. It doesn’t use any exotic alloys, and it doesn’t require any novel methods of construction. Just reduce the number of machining steps, and if that involves switching to an injection molded polymer frame, so be it.
@@124thDragoon I think you missed the point. It's not that they couldn't do what you've suggested, it's that they won't because they're marketing the pistol to a specific clientele.
@@DonkeyBuns You clearly don't understand the concept of luxury items
@@DonkeyBuns Just like cars, razor thin margins for mass produced stuff. If they go this route the will have to sell a ton of this niche product.
🤣 dude for 6500-7000 you can buy a full custom 2011 and choose every square inch of the entire thing from size, shape, texture, color, finish, accessories and then pick your own personalized serial number on top of that.
Just outrageously priced standard production assembly line guns.
At least we have the RIA 5.0 that's basically this but the company understands manufacturing costs and how to keep them in the realm of reality
I would still buy a RIA 5.0 and then take the leftover money and buy a hot tub, champaign, cigars, and some girls. Then take a video of me lighting my cigar with flaming cash and shooting targets from the tub laughing and saying, "I'd buy that for a dollar! Hahahahaha"
First time I'm ever going to have to wait on the palmetto version to come out. I'd rather have a new glock and 7400 left in my bank account.
If they clone it hopefully the fix the dainty guts. A fart from an ant causes it to not function. It's disgusting how bad this gun is especially at the price
@I BEEN HACKED will probably be one of those picky guns like the desert eagle. Overpriced and impossible to get running well.
@@jasonmullins3900 it's sad because it has potential to be one of the greatest guns produced. Not the best but one of them. It's just not made for anything other than competitive shooting. And considering the price it should be able to stand at least some normal wear and use. I literally saw with my own eyes this gun two different generations fail because of dust and sand very minimal mind you and also it's picky about ammo from my experience. It's so fickle it's not been shot in months and is actually for sale but nobody wants it around us because we know exactly how it preforms. 2500 buys it but I'd rather shit in my hands and clap then own it. I hope PSA makes one and fixes the weak design of the internals.
"Just quite being poor" is the usual response when I say the same thing about NVGs and the $10,000+ you'll need for the tech and accessories for something that most people can't use outside of larping on their property.
So the spiritus business model is my friend. I'm called poor just for saying that I have a Sig optic, lol. Kind of a juxtaposition when my wife first listened about my collection and said "you spend 10k on guns?!"
Of course I lied and said no it wasn't ten. Did the math and realized it was closer to 12-15 and none of it is "Gucci" to me.
They still make Ferraris and Lamborghinis because people buy them. Just because the general public can’t afford them doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be produced
@@bradenmchenry995 the alien is neither of those. Probably More like a Maserati, looks cool but is it really in league with Wilson Combat and Atlas...
@@bradenmchenry995 I 💯 agree. My point was i find it funny how people on threads and videos make it seem like 99% people are running nods now and call me "poor" for not finding enough utility in it to invest into them are also the same people complaining about the price for an imported, uniquely designed pistol.
@@762x69 Yeah no. A truly innovative design using exotic materials is more akin to a Pagani than a Maserati.
Imagine carrying a $6000 9mm autopistol and then getting taken out by a guy with a $400 used GP100 😂
hahahahaha i started laughing when he said the price
Love the product , but with the key design criteria of "Price Being No Object" is a product geared to a very small market share. If I want extremely low recoil in a center fire pistol, why not go with the new M&P 5.7. According to the Honest Outlaw is an extremely low recoiling pistol. There are multiple ways to manage recoil w/o the need to throw money at it. Seems like a very expensive solution to a problem that can be easily rectified with a lot less cost.
Mp 5.7 looks dope, and you can get a dozen of them for the price, lol.
Because the 5.7 isn't legal in any sanctioned competition... This is for people who wanna shoot Production or Production Optic division in IPSC or USPSA.
@@aaron4820 I’m not interested in competition at this time, but pray tell which state or national championship has his pistol won?
Cool gun, insane price. If they make a model that's more reasonably priced i think it would do very well on the market.
$3,200 to 3,800 Probably in two years.
The old one shot great but hands down I still think buying a cz shadow and doing some work on it will be better and wayyy cheaper
That $5k difference is giving us some space for buying an ammo :-D
Tons of money let over for whiskey, hookers and a case of ammo.
Get it featured in the next John Wick film and see if that will increase demand and lower that obscene price tag.
I had called lancer and they gave me the new Laugo email. I need an optics rail for my pistol. Have not received a response, and there is no phone number to reach them. I didn’t hear him mention what they changed to address the heat issue. Very difficult to use in a completion scenario, it gets far to hot to be comfortable very quickly.
You own a Laugo? How do you like it, overheating aside?
@@BaritoneMonkey fantastic gun. Little recoil, very flat shooting.
Need this and the RIA 5.0 head to head.
Yes please
Ditto, my bets on the little guy.
I would like to have an alien. Maybe I'd even spend around 4000€ for one. But improvement that they should incorporate is a threaded muzzle. With the barrel not moving it would be a great suppressor or muzzle break host.
It is currently avaible in the Performance Package.
In my humble opinion how good would the optic be if they spend as much time and resources on building "an engineering marvel" of a pistol. IDK man proprietary red dot? Just knock the price down a bit and give us different cut options on the slide to allow customers to run what they like or already have.
Kinda makes me not believe the hype suggesting they want their own dots to make more money. But what do I know? Could be way off on this take.
He didn't say they developed the red dot in house, they said it's a private label. Meaning they took an existing design made a couple tweaks and put their name on it.
@@otm646 Whose existing design though?? Crimson Trace? Trijicon? Sightmark? Holosun? Man's point is still valid.
@@otm646 4:50 he says the dot is made in house by them and that it's their private label. Sounds like he saying they developed the dot
I just checked my bank account, and the only thing I could afford is the RIA 5.0
Excellent addition to my SVI's was looking for a Iron/Optic Hotswap pistol
I shot a 3 gun match with Dave in PA. Had no idea he was affiliated with Laugo! Super cool.
You could buy the 308 peanut butter h&k for that pistol
I bet this thing is really sweet but honestly so is a Canik Rival and the Rival only costs $630 for the polymer version and $750-800 for the steel frame version and both of those are also a full kit including a TSA approved case, match grade trigger and barrel, mag well, extended mag base plates, a bunch of optics mounts, a good competition holster, a charging handle, and fantastic ergonomics on the pistol itself. Only draw back is that it includes 2 mags instead of 3.
Honestly I'm sure this gun is better than the Canik but all's I'm saying is that the Canik is good enough that the USPSA carry optics national championship was won by a shooter using a Canik Rival. It's objectively a fantastic pistol with very high quality manufacturing and quality control and it comes with everything you need except for a third magazine and it's only $630--thats less than a basic Glock MOS and it's better than a Glock by miles and I say that as a devoted Glock shooter and fanboy.
If you're ballin on a budget like me and most of the American population the Canik is the best bang for your buck.
Wow maybe if I sale my house and car I might be able to afford one. Thanks James for the shot show coverage. It's nice to see all the cool gadgets and firearms coming out in 2023.
Actual stupid price. Paying like 10x price of materials. The parts are made on C&C, only need a few operators for the whole company. They could charge half (which would still be a ridiculous price) and be fine.
An iphone only cost 600 dollars to make, and yet you dont hear people say Apple should sell them for 700 bucks..
Proprietary magazines, proprietary red dot, most likely limited aftermarket support and costs as much as a custom 2011. What's not to love??
I puked when I saw the red dot mounted on the rail... Why even have a low bore axis with a red dot that sits 1.5" off the top of the pistol?! Probably a footprint that no red dot manufacturer will ever make a run of. The love of money ruins everything.
what is that optic? looks really big for a micro dot
"We listen to community feedback to improve our gun, but ya'll better be prepared to pay for it."
Should have made a polymer framed option for less money. I guess they'll continue to be a gucci footnote in the upper tier gun snob world.
Are there actually any guns under $2200 at ShotShow? Poor people have to shoot too.
Can’t wait for PSA to announce their version….
I'd pay 2 to 2.5k for one. Until they are down closer to that I don't think they'll get a decent market share.
That pistol better be made out of gold or platinum, cuz heck nah I ain't spending 4.5 grand on a pistol that does what a pistol does, like that sh1t better comes with A.I. that does my taxes and takes my wife to olive garden
You Drop 4.5 grand on a gun and your poor wife gets to eat at Olive Garden? She needs to divorce your ass. 😂
Guess I'll be waiting on Palmetto State to make their version $$$$$$
So they make their own optics, but the way it mounts still looks like something slapped together from AliExpress. They need to make the dot as a single unit built into the topstrap.
Right?! I've seen Bushnell's with lower profile than that optic. They praise their low bore axis then slap a fat red dot on it!! Something like a holosun SCS integrated into the topstrap would be awesome!
They probably went to the Chinese OEM that makes the Vortex Optics red dots you can find on AliExpress and asked for a version with Alien branding. I would be shocked if that isn't the case.
I could damn near buy a Barrett for that price.
🤭 yeah. That really puts things into perspective. 😆
One of those things that I'll never own but am glad exists.
I wonder how many guns they are actually selling.
Last November, at the IPSC World Shoot in Thailand, out of about 1700 competitors, I saw about 20 Aliens. And none of the owners were serious contenders to winning anything. The flip side of that is that I saw probably less than 10 Glocks. That game is dominated by CZ 75 variants, CZ Shadow 2 being the most popular now, and 2011 variants.
If someone steals this pistol, is that an Alien Abduction?
I'll wait for the Canik version for $495.
I really wonder how RIA 5.0 stacks up against it in terms of recoil and shootability.
That would be a great comparison! Having said that, I'd like RIA to make a second / optional 22TCM9R barrel and spring for the 5.0 as well.
@@repentnow1720 I didn't even know about this cartridge. Is it a necked down 9mm? That would be sick. Also 5.0 doesn't seem to have bore axis as low, but I guess it is the closest thing poors like me can get :D
@@repentnow1720 Isn't .22TCM the same OAL as .45 ACP? And the RIA 5.0 a 9mm gun?
@@not_your_business666 Sort of; the SAMMI purists would say no, but that is quite a close generalization / assessment. A 39 grain bullet (think 22 LR) in a necked-down casing that has the same case diameter and overall length as a 9mm (so it fits in 9mm magazines!). It looks like someone took a 357 SIG and left it in the dryer too long and shrunk it from a 10mm to a 9mm case. It screams down the range at 2000+ FPS and is super flat w ZERO recoil. It is my personal favorite. It is also made by RIA - hence my desire to acquire a RIA 5.0 with a second 22TCM9R barrel. : )
@@repentnow1720 That is pretty dope, thanks for enlightening me!
When is Laugo going to release the optic top rail? Been over half a year overdue
6,500 I would’ve laughed in his face😂😂😂
Great pistol but please explain the price?
Wow I hope a company moves in this direction that doesn't feel like only McLaren owners should have one
Maybe people like you should realise by now this gun is meant for serious competition shooting, it's not meant for everyone.
@@thh4584 and that is why I didn't say I wish this company would do..... Fill in the blank... I said maybe another company can move in a similar direction at a lower price point.... If only reading and comprehension was still being taught in schools
@@hopewilliams6705 Ooh passive aggressive much. Maybe if you knew this firearm and it's inner workings you could understand why it can't be made at a cheaper price point. So please do comeback with another snarky passive aggressive reply.
@@thh4584 well explain it's intrinsic nature in relation to the inherit cost of manufacture to me... I always heard if you can't explain something simply you don't know it well enough
You finally said something that made me subscribe, WHO DAT!!!!!
I'd like to see a more affordable polymer frame version. Just because it was intended for competition doesn't mean it wouldn't also be a good duty pistol if they cut some cost and weight
It's trying to compete in a price range that most people aren't cross shopping this pistol for. If you put this next to an Atlas, Staccato, TTI, Nighthawk, race spec 92/CZ etc. etc. this thing isn't getting looked at twice.
I think you're pretty misinformed if you're including Staccato alongside Atlas/Nighthawk. It's really not a fair comparison.
@@Jiggaboots420 you obviously haven't picked up a XC. Do yourself a favor and rent one.
The RIA 5.0 will just have to be my Alien 😅 I don’t have cartel money.
“I love this gun, when is it going to be affordable?”
“No :D”
We get it James! It’s cold. Calm down.
While i understand that's the feedback from their 3 total buyers, the feedback from everybody else couldn't've been more clear: use the economy of scale and make em cheaper!
These gun prices just keep goin up with every Shot show video I watch!
And almost no innovation in them. Just tweaking the same tech from the 1900’s to the 60’s.
It’s called inflation. Get used to it. However, in the case of this gun, it’s just insanity and absurdity. No gun is worth what they are asking.
James Reeves is not amused. At all. 😂😂
It would be more interesting with a locking block closure instead of gas piston.
It will still have the barrel not tilting and be more reliable with all type of ammo (also naked led... even if no-one uses).
Still a very interesting pistol, overall.
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Surprised no one mentioned that these guns have a serious design flaw...the barrel is so low that the heat transfers into the grip under moderate-heavy use making it unbearable to hold under sustained firing.
thats WITH wearing gloves.
@@atranimecs That’s a known design trade off for a gas delayed system. The HK P7 it’s based on was well known for this as well.
Was hoping for maybe some, I dunno? Mass produced polymer frame actually affordable to the average Joe version?
we need a comparison video between this and the taran pit viper
Pit viper or combat master are basically the Staccato XC with TTI branding. Iirc combat master was even made by Staccato. An 8k gun with polymer grip still? Seems like an Atlas is a way better comparison to this Laugo imo
Alien < Duel Wielding Desert Eagles (Plus ammo)
These guys smoking rocks….great technology and innovative but 6-7k?! Nah maybe 2-3k I could see. This like a market place ad of a semi cool car and the seller saying “no low ball offers I know what I have” lol 😂
That's come food 💩 they're smoking.
6500??? Give me two 🤣🤣🤣
I hate how people use “flat shooting” to describe handgun recoil. Flat shooting has always referred to the ballistics of the round not the recoil impulse…
$7K?? Does it come with pre-won competition trophies?
Thought the next version the price point would go down. Looks like instead of innovating they just hired more managers.
James you gotta get 1 in black n gold and bring by the shop to shoot
“It’s a Big Number”
I wonder how much it costs to produce one of these. I hoped the cost would come down after their first few batches paying for the r&d, but I guess not.
They are still selling everything they make practically before they have made them, it would take a while before they can expand their volume I guess.
@@aaron4820 yeah, but that's because rich people use them as status symbols, not because they are plausibly 5 more expensive to manufacture than anything else except hand-made 1911s and 2011s.
Did he say a McClaren comes with it at that price??
Wow 1st time I saw the alien have recoil!
At 7000 bucks you're not gonna run this hard. If you're really into precision pistol shooting you probably want something with more aftermarket support to fine tune it to your needs. So its a status object. As he said, like a McLaren. If i had 7000 bucks to put into a status symbol handgun, I'd save 500 more and get myself an Anderson wheeler mk7, that's a little fancier in my opinion, but thats a matter of taste. I'm sure this will find its buyers, the normal alien should've already failed by every criteria and its doing just fine.
Be interesting to see Honest Outlaw get his hands on one and review it. 👍🔥💪
LUAGO ALIEN will be the ROLEX's of high end handguns. Make it available in Titanium or Platinum, etc.. The Gold and Black CREATOR is going to be off the hook. Plus with a better grip angle. Slowly but surely they are going up. And the pricing is what it is. HighPoint vs GLOCK or WALTHER. ROLLS ROYCE 's will never be available in Mercedes Benz pricing, etc..
The price is TTI sand viper territory. Time for a head to head to see who's king.
I got a truck in the back that needs a new transmission... Sure let me entertain the 4-6k pistol 👀
This fella came wit his sh!t
I would rather have $5,500 worth of Glocks/Sigs/S&W/etc.
One gun andies just want to be cool via validation from others. It's.. Something alright. I'm pretty rough on my EDC bumping into stupid stuff like the table occasionally. It would send me through the roof if I spent up to 6k on a pistol and it had one scratch on it. No time for the 'precious' when it comes to guns I feel.
There is no reason in hell why this gun should cost this much
Pagani’s cost several million dollars and yet people buy them. Not every gun has to be an affordable gun
@@bradenmchenry995 let me know how you like yours
I just need an optic rail. Where they at Laugo?
"All done here now" means twice the price.
Put some gdamn high sights on it. Looks so goofy with optic
I’d rather have a honey badger and 2 loaded Cz 75’s… or 9 glocks…. Or 2 beretta 1301’s and 3 sig 226 legions with dots… or a million other bad ass combinations.
Lol “magazines” after hearing the price 😂
Well goddamn. Just did a refinance to buy the first one, now I have to do it again for the new version! Laugo, can you at least send me that hat?? Should've come with the full kit so I can represent!
Maybe I hang around shotguns too much but honestly $6,700 doesn't sound that bad..