On the idea of telling a prequal during season 2, it could be done like The Expanse did with Solomon Epstein's path to developing an engine for further solar system travel. They did a good job of flashbacks to tell the story on how humanity started to colonize the outer solar system due to this technological development. Maybe Silo could do similar but over a whole season rather than an episode.
*Big spoilers in this comment* I think if they hop from Juliet and her journey into silo 17 into her finding solo then into solos story for an episode, ending in him talking to silo one and introducing Donald. From there I think it should hop between Juliet, Donald and Lucas back in silo 18. I think having the door at the bottom of the silo introduced in season 1 will help them to join silos 17+ 18 over the course of season 2. When Juliet and solo uncover evidence of what happened with the silos that could be an opportunity to jump back to Donald's story in silo 1. The story of what happened during the rebellion in 18 might be ok to omit completely so you can dive deeper into Donald's story, you could end it with him trying to escape silo 1 or with the original event at the Georgia fair. I can't wait to see how they pull it off!!
The show made me believe that outside was green and lively. Also I thought they were poisoning the people through the filters. Plus when the power went off to make the fix on the generator the screen flickering from green paradise to toxic world sort of threw me off as nobody commented on what happened. I thought that small insignificant scene kind of screwed over the new viewers or new fans that didn't know anything about this show or even the books.
I almost thought i made up that the screen flickered green, kind of weird that that went unnoticed with all those people in the room. It made me think for a second that they just had to reset the power to fix a bug in the camera system or something.
it's easy enough in S2 to have the first scene as a flashback to the silo origin timeline, weave whatever details they want, then suddenly cut to Juliette on the outside. This can be done throughout the entire season, just like they did in S1 with all the flashbacks
@@mikehc6159Yes they did. At first I wasn’t sure if it was a flashback but having had a quick google after the first season which I watched like a week ago I suspected it might be. I also had googled about the outside in episode 2 cause I thought the suits were rigged to kill them. Spoilers often enhance my desire to watch. Anyway You’ll enjoy.
The way the show did it was so great. The suspense the whole season that the outside is just fine, just to find out not only is the outside in fact dead, but there's MORE silos?!?! So much at once made the end so shocking.
I know this is a big nit pick, but the size of the silo ring on the surface doesn't jive with the internal size of the silo. They are WAY too close together to be separated. Also, if you look at the size of the levels with the farms, you'd think the dug out area beyond the central core is ENORMOUS for those levels, and even then they wouldn't be big enough to raise anywhere near enough food (plus have room for livestock) to feed 10,000 people...
I felt the same way. I know the silos go really deep down but the silos are still waaay too close together for the size/circumference of the levels. It is frustrating every time I see it.
I'm excited to see what they keep/change in season 2! I just started book 3 and I'm loving this series! The second half of book one is wild. Hopefully they find a way to do a bunch of it in the show! For book two they might have to try to do that book in a couple episodes before making book 3 into a show.
I think they’ll have to rework a lot of the events in Shift to make it work in the show. So much happened that it would be hard to cover everything in a couple episodes. I think they could do a prequel episode explaining how the silos came to be and then rework the plot to make the events in Shift happen at the same time as the silo 18 plot ( a lot of them already do). But they’ll have to figure out something, I don’t see a way for them to do the Dust arc without introducing viewers to the people in silo 1 first.
I want season two to explain exactly where the mines are . They can’t be under the Silo because then they will see the big machine . They can’t be to the side because the other Silos are right next door . Where the hell are they ? When Juliette goes into another silo where everyone is dead , does she go to the bottom and find the tunnel and go back to the first Silo in book 3 ?
Any flashback must be sprinkled in season 2 as a discovery by Juliette or another character thru another hard drive, film projector, or a journal because if they do just a flashback story, it will kill the shows momentum and all the character development they made in season 1. However, if they do go this route, then they must be careful not to overextend or deviate from the books main storyline so it doesn’t have a negative impact.
It makes sense she gets inside another silo. Her knowledge and skill set would be critical to keeping one operational even if it is basically dead in the water.
Why is it so difficult to find good shows like this one I hadn't even heard of it until a random find in IMDB Its frustrating because most of the time i can't find anything to watch... Yet this was there all along
Fallout. Shogun. Severance. Blue Eye Samurai. The Penguin. Arcane. Westworld first season. Fargo first 2 seasons. True Detective first season. Andor. Band of Brothers. The Pacific. Strange Ned Worlds. And so much more. Open your Eyes.
Just found your channel right now, I had actually just ordered the first book a few days ago. I think I may wait till after season 2 then dig into it. I’ll be following for future videos, but skipping spoilers haha. But watching the rest of the video, I swear 😂
Thank you for revealing where season 1 of the tv show ended in the book. I was going to buy the audio books but didn’t know if I’d miss something if I skipped book 1.
For the second book, I hope she finds her way to another silo or something and they tell her stories about when it started so you get some flashbacks that way.
Bernard could potentially send Lucas on a “duty” to prove his loyalty instead of sending him down at all. Could cause tension between sims and Lucas. Bernard did mention with sims having a family maybe he isn’t the best candidate. Also I’m glad they left the outside world a mystery until the end, gives you something to hope for instead of knowing it’s doomed from the start.
Having not read the books, I think it was smart to leave the outside reveal until the end. Putting it much earlier on would have removed a ton of mystery from the show. That said, I do feel the show dragged a lot in the middle (interesting to know lots of that wasn't in the book). I do think you made a good point though about having her go out to clean in episode 9, then show where that sort of leads as episode 10.
@@shawnatv4355 Yeah that and how she knew it was a simulation. The outside part with the meadow, tree and grass. I still don’t understand WHY have a fake simulation for those outside who are about to die? Perhaps to give them beauty upon death?
@@henryjohnson-ville3834I just finished reading all the books because I couldn’t wait for the show, that was my biggest question, thankfully it was answered quickly and should be answered in season 2.
@henryjohnson-ville3834 The reason for the simulation is to make them want to clean the lens so that people will see what they think is a beautiful world with birds and such. It is the philosophy of sometime creating cleanable offenses to get the lens cleaned periodically.
I've not read the books and I've been fine with the pacing of the show. I agree that they couldn't just take the show back in time for an entire season of TV, dropping the 'original' storyline. I also agree that they'll have to find a way to scene shift between present and past or alternate episodes, going present, then past until the two arc merge chronologically.
The differences is interesting. Interestingly enough, i really like how i accidentally went through the series which is: watch the show, read the second book, read the second half of the first book, and read the 3rd. I’m pretty sure this is exactly how the show will do it too.
The show has done a much better job than the book of fleshing out the world and characters of Silo 18. It feels like we'll have much more of a stake in what happens and who is affected by the events that follow Juliette's anti-cleaning. I do think the show spent too much on the George thing and the book too little, but what bugged me most was actually the flash that appeared in the cafeteria screen showing the pretty helmet display. There's no reason this would've happened and, rather than being the intriguing clue they clearly intended, it's just incredibly misleading.
@@bradylyons3281 yes but that door was not accessable until someone dug 30ft through reinforced concrete to expose the void under the silo. the door must have been used in the construction phase.
Book Spoilers: I just listened to the audio book for Shift and while long I do feel like it can be done rather fast in a show format. I think if they do intertwine the 2nd part of Wool and Shift I think they will play with non readers by having the time placement of the Silo 1 Perspective of troy in question first and then reveal it with the 2049 timeline later rather than lead with it.
My question is, what the hell do they need the green pastured hologram? Why did they need it if the Judiciary was telling the truth about a desolate environment outside the Silo?
The hologram is the incentive for the cleaners to clean. They "see" the lush green hologram and hope by cleaning it'll show on the inside. That's my takeaway
@jayborussell thats exactly what it is. its an ai that controlls everything. and ai that's nuts and willing to kill everyone for shits an giggles. the mayor and simms seem evil but they truly are looking out for the safety of everyone.
I agree with Bubba! After the TV show finished Season 1, i went out and got the Wool and Shift books. Finished the first and half way through the 2nd book as i write this. I DO THINK that it would be more interesting to start to weave in parts of Shift as we enter into Season 2 of the TV series. Would definitely provide some interesting connection for viewers who are no doubt wondering about this key part of the story. Just the first part of Shift. I don't think viewers would get confused if they did it right, and like the book, label the screen when they flip back between years. My concern is that while i found the rest of Wool extremely interesting, i don't feel like we get much in the way of 'new' characters beyond what limited elements Jules encounters in Silo 17. Since Shift has 3 clear sections, it seems to me that they could weave in 'Section 1: Legacy' into Silo Season 2. Great work as always i hope you post a couple more Silo episodes before 'deep freezing' until Season 2
@@nurasam You can read the first book 'Wool' threw Chapter 34, and you shouldn't be spoiled for season 2. If you want to read what happens next, buy 'Wool' and start at Chapter 35
Great Description, I agree Juliette will go to check the other SILO sites obviously, but very carefully she know there will be someone watching, I would like to see scenes of abandon SILOS and she will explore inside and will find More and more crazy information, there are multiple Possibilities inside other Silos, it will be great if they produce more than 3 Seasons, but i doubt it. Waiting for your Next Silo videos.
@@KaimukiKid69 There has to be system where mayor answers to Judicial then Judicial answers to someone higher, like in our real life with the ruling elite behind the shadows while our “president” is running America.
I’ve made the terrible mistake - again - of reading a (good to great) book series I enjoyed and then watching the TV ‘product’ Hollywood churned out for the ‘mainstream’ based on it! Oh, when will I learn they are only out for the $$, and don’t give a damn about the source material, even when they co-opt the original author and pay him to agree with whatever ‘improvements’, ‘character swaps’ and ‘necessary medium updates’ they do to it? 😪😮💨
@ I did and it was better by a hair as most of it followed the original story. There are patches where it is okay as the elements from the book story are presented with fidelity but it just serves to remind of what the adaptation could have been and irks the wong way.
Loved this. As a book reader, I do not need Lucas to be the shadow. Im interested to see what else he does in the show and how Sims fits into the overall plot.
Speaking of things that should have been included...They really glossed over the whole thing about the tape and that is so important in the story's plot line that something should have been cut to better explain the tape. Hopefully that is something they cover next season in a flashback episode.
That's my assumption as well... the one caveat: they're filming now and unless I missed it, no actors have come out and claimed to have been cast for season 2. You'd think they'd want some sort of name for the Shift roles and the role of Solo
@@DoublePMedia this might be a sign that they're not releasing casting details for anyone in S2 yet including any flash backs then? Maybe there's an NDA involved so we get a nice surprise, and to throw off any book-readers who may spoil and yi manage expectations.
yes you can sell people on that... especially if you link it maybe end of ep 2 season 3 give us almost 2 full episode of past story be4 bringing back juliet... the answers are in the past
@6:40 But Halston *did* realize it was fake…at first he saw the beautiful fake world and was saying Allison was right, then he started to feel weird and tripped - I don’t think it was over Allison’s body, but before it, which at first he thought her body wasn’t there….then took his helmet off which elicited gasps from the SiloWatchers. I’ll have to go back and read the book and rewatch the episode as I think I must not be remembering either one very well. As for the whole tape/suit bit, I totally got this backwards, as I thought IT’s tape was the best, and the other tape used throughout the Silo was crap and that was what was used on the suits. I thought IT was mad because they realized it was such higher quality, protected against the heat better for the generator and figured they’d end up using the better tape for Juliette’s suit. I had it totally backwards but also the suit but right, just not which was which. I don’t know how,I got this confused because when Juliette said in ep 9m(I think) that “It’s tape was crap” I was like “What?? No, that was the whole reason it worked for the generator because it was better, and the typical “the privileged get better everything”motif” but I was obviously really mixed up! LOL! Now, not trying to be controversial but I too thought the show did the story better, but again, I didn’t read the books until after I saw the series Iand was pretty durn shocked at how much further in the story Book 1 goes! I skipped most of Book 2 when I realized it was a prequel, but I have to go back and read it after reading book 3 and getting some guests from 2! Anyway, I do think there are some bits that maybe don’t have the best explanation other than “crazy government psychos”. I like how the ‘’relics”are handled in the series, I George and having him discover most of the stuff that Juliette’s character as portrayed probably wouldn’t t care so much about but inherits info from a “fanboy” worked great. I loved the Georgia guidebook and not sure it even could have worked the same way in the book (I didn’t miss it somehow did I?). The whole cleaning the camera but would of course be solved by having a wiper or other self cleaning tech, I mean a culture that can build a Silo or 50 surely to go could think up “might get dirty”. This whole illogical bit made me honestly think the whole display was fake, especially after the Ep3 graphics glitch when the power shuts down (what was that anyway, do you guys discuss it?) and then in Ep 10 there were many long shots where it appeared there were NO BODIES outside! I saw many other people note this too so was t just me who thought it. Anyway I need to go back and really give the books a thorough read instead of the rushed way I did. But whichever is better, the lucky part is they both are AWESOME and totally digging this series (nod nod wink wink).
Oh I keep forgetting to ask you guys but I have noted this elsewhere - Apple debuted their “Apple Vision” headset about the time this series started. Coincidence? I think not! Pretty sure whoever had the idea for the headset got it from Silo and after discussing how it would work (especially if there’s an 8x2 “retina” display inside obscuring the wearer’s face, that a “fake” display of the wearer’s face would also have to be projected to the outside viewers (or do they just see black?) and how it overlays reality (ie when they walk up the stairs/ramp,, turn an look at the cameras and clean it, they have to be seeing the real world in some way, but when the overlay kicks in it does it so smoothly that they don’t notice, yet the overlay isn’t perfect as they trip over the landscape that obviously isn’t the same as the time it was filmed hundreds of years ago…or is it totally cgi? A whole discussion of the helmet and if these very books inspired it thus Apple’s timing of introducing it even tho it won’t be available for a year or more…guess they didn’t want people saying Silo came first and Apple copied the idea even tho I think that’s probably what happened! :-)
Spoiler of the book ahead... . . . . . . . . . My guess for the water thing you mentioned at 5:00 is that they are trying to ignore the digging thing in the show, and use that tunnel as a way through instead
Be safe and don't watch the rest -- however if you do continue the video - the spoilers are very general and not specific story beats of the 2nd half of the first book.
I think they will put the current characters in situations that are similar to the events of the past and flash back to them to a) show the parallels between then and "now" as well as b) serve as a way to tell those stories on the show without having to do a prequal season. I'm not familiar with the books and this is the first I've looked at anything outside of the show. But, if I were making a TV show and in that situation of having to tell a past story without giving it it's own separate season or dedicated arc over a period of x seasons, that's how I would handle it. I've appreciated hearing your perspectives and that even your spoiler portion was fairly spoiler free. ;)
Or she could go to the server room in the other silo and find old video this would be the most natural way of learning about the past and we learn as the characters do
I finished season 1 finale, thought to myself that the story was so interesting I had to read the books. Finished Wool/Shift/Dust and now reflecting back on the show it was a pretty bad adaptation, even while watching it as a non-reader I was like "what the heck is all this random drama" and felt vindicated when reading the books to find out it was Hollywood bloat. I really hope they correct the storytelling in season 2, I cannot stand a repeat of the pacing in season 1.
The water is an important part to tie to Season 2, I believe. Now that we know the silo is but one of many silos around then tunnel below can very well be the way to link them. Knowing there is a water barrier to overcome yet George mentioned it is nothing. This adds more mystery to Season 2.
Ummm... without spoiling the end of the first book, the water at the bottom of the silo gets revealed relatively soon after Juliette arrives at her next destination. So introducing it in season 1 added another mystery without a payoff. The show has plenty (too many) imo
@@DoublePMedia Isn't "To be continued" good? Otherwise, with everything paid off what's for us to look forward to in Season 2? I sincerely don't understand your complaint about the water looming over Season 1 unresolved being a bad thing.
@@ConcernedPublic Not 'good' nor 'bad' - It's a matter of taste. As we point out in the first part of the podcast - the show has SO MANY unresolved questions, I argue the number of outstanding mysteries outweighs the benefits. 'Puzzle box' shows can create very dedicated fans, but LOST was never the #1 show on TV for a reason. imo SILO would be an even bigger hit if it had been closer to the book's narrative and closer to the nature of the books which is NOT a puzzle box mystery.
@@DoublePMedia Fair enough. I've not read the book so I don't have the insight or knowledge of the official 'story;' therefore, your perspective. What I can tell you is I enjoyed the development of the plots in Season 1, whether it was faithful to the books or not. I appreciate the rich depiction of human, social, political, and personal/collective struggles and aspirations of the story. Unlike some other shows, I find that there's a lot to chew on simply because it is not a superficial story - I see so much parallels to our lives today. We're all living in our own silos in some respect and believe in our 'own truths' which, unbeknownst to us, may very well be totally apart from facts. Misinformation is now justified on the ground of survival, morality, necessity, ... decided by a few in order to 'contain' us - sacrificing a few for the good of the majority, on whim of a few, is, somehow, moral and just. To live is to conform, to question is to die... for the greater 'good' defined by a few. Freedom and knowledge are, somehow, inconvenient, undesirable, dangerous, and even evil. They got me hooked, especially with little payoffs. I, for one, definitely look forward to Season 2.
@@DoublePMedia To be honest I read it rather fast so after I see season two I will probably read it again. Like I said, I love the TV series much better than the book and can't wait to see what they do with this part.
I remember when I was reading the story that I wanted to know what happened in the past in silo 18, what caused the rebellion. I thought I didn't remember a Judicial. Sims to me represents the guards who guard IT. Sims the shadow?! Hell no! I remember a character mentioning having a caretaker for a father, vaguely. Did they conflate that? Was that Lucus? I would have preferred the George actor to have been Lucus frankly. I think the next season can switch between the aftermath in silo 18 of her going out and disappearing and what happens to her and where she goes. I guess the big door will be the final episode, seeing what's behind the door, she'll figure out how to open it.
@@DoublePMedia my reasoning,the story of the book series is so damn interesting and intriguing,so damn many plot twists in every book,is something unique never before seen on a tv show,at least none that i know of
Watched the first 2 episodes. REALLY REALLY don't have time for a full "Let's Solve" on it at this moment. But maybe if I'm free this weekend, I can do mini-versions
@@DoublePMedia - They’ll start in the first episode. Well either start with the past of the next Silo, or we’ll start with the walk over the hill. This show has already been following the LOST playbook. It’s worked so far. They just keep it going.
(kinda spoilery warning for book 1 and a bit of book 2!) So I've only read about half of Shift, and none of Dust. But my understanding is that Shift covers the history of the silos up to the point of Juliette's cleaning, and also goes into the back story of Solo. Then the Juliette narrative continues in Dust. So here's how a 4 season show could go (I may be talking out of my butt here, but...): seasons 1 and 2 cover book 1, plus some of Solo's back story, and maybe some other history. Seasons 3 and 4 then cover book 3, also with some back story. Basically you don't make book 2 into a season (some of it is pretty dull anyhow, at least what I've read of it), but rather drip feed it into the other seasons. I'm not convinced Sims will be Bernard's shadow, but rather I think that he has a date with a balcony rail in his near future. As to whether Lukas will be made shadow per the book? You can make a case that by releasing him from the mines Bernard is buying his loyalty. Or they could go in another direction. Hugh Howie has said in interviews that there will be some major deviations from later books (see the interview on Pete Pepper's channel for example). It would sure be interesting to see the mines and the tunnel. But Juliette needs a reason to come back to Silo 18 at the end of book 1, and she sure ain't gonna come back for Sims...
Great question: The second book IS a prequel, but we have to consider: the first season didn't complete the story of the first book. We know s2 will continue the story of the first book (Juliette out of the Silo), but we don't know if s2 will include the prequel content from the second book.
@@DoublePMedia so do you think apple will keep investing in this to see it through? I doubt it, don't get me wrong the story/book is solid but viewers are fickle...
@@marcayres8567 If you'd asked me a year ago, when Apple TV was greenlighting 2nd and 3rd season, I'd have said "Yes, we'll see the entire story." Now... I don't know. Add in the writers are drawing out the story, imo. It's a good question
I am a show watcher and I was looking for a video like this, because I really felt that show had a lot of potential that it didn't utilize fully well. When you mentioned the differences with the book - it seemed exactly what was wrong with the show. It seemed like the dragged-out mysteries for way too long without giving much to latch on to, which made me not care about mysteries that much - and the final reveal that the truth that they thought was a lie was actually a truth after felt very weak to me. If they revealed it in episode 5 like you suggested - it would've been more interesting to me. Other reveals - a bad guy that turned out to be a bad guy, very weak world-building (it felt like there were about 10-20 people who were "oppressing" the rest of the population, er?)...
Hopefully we say in the podcast: the show isn't bad (in fact, some like the show better) -- yet the show broke a number of things that were great in the books.
Spoiler from books: you didn’t explain to your friend well that book two is not just a prequel. But that the third part of the book actually is mostly present time and the fall of silo 17. So it should be fairly easy and seamless of how they can dedicate 1 episode, probably episode 2, to the first part of the book of how the silos were built. And then have a half an episode or even a full episode flashback somewhere on the fall of silo 17 to show the shifts in silo 1. And at the end of the season you can combine the two timelines. Or even have episode one being the building of the silos with an intro of Bernard calling silo 1 in the first few minutes, and then have flashbacks of fall of silo 17 when she finds it with silo 1 being a part of the story going forward. And obviously you’ll need a flashback from the second shift explaining the water and the ones that remember which I think are the flame keepers/people with the syndrome.
Thanks for the feedback! Catfish plays an odd role on the podcast: He's read the books, but he doesn't remember anything, therefore he fills the role of the non-book-reader host. Plus, he's so forgetful and quite frankly senile, that it wasn't a joke, he won't remember any of this conversation in a year. HOWEVER just for safety, when he's in the spoiler part of book talk, I do keep the spoilers more general than specific.
@@DoublePMedia haha i know what you mean :) i actually read the book back when it was coming out and didn't remember a single thing :) thank you for replying and love your channel
As a complete muggle who just saw the show on apple tv I was absolutely enthralled by the story and the ending absolutely shocked me, did not expect that plot twist. Did feel like guy from cafeteria (Lucas I suppose?) was superfluous and kinda bummed there wasn't any resolution for the underwater door but I suppose it's gonna be in season 2 since she told Bernard. Juliette is pretty likeable as a lead although gotta say that taking on three men in armour or pushing Simms down cracked me up. That guy's an absolute unit, less of that please 😂
Based how they showed a destroyed city (probably Atlanta) in the background on the surface I don't think they're going to follow the book as far as why the silos were built. The 3rd book reveals that there's a toxic cloud around the silo entrances, but the rest of the world has recovered. If the whole area in still poised for hundreds of miles in all directions, the story might not involve nanotechnology at all.
I think they could skip book 2 or compress it into the odd flash back, I was disappointed in book2 due to the drastic change in direction and not expanding in the cliffhanger at end of book 1. Its a good book, but wanted a continuation.
Season 1 is so dragged out and packed with fillers. I agree that Juliette's cleaning should've been earlier, and we got to see the fallout on Bernie a lot earlier. The whole fixing a generator and murder of deputy chief and mayor was wholly unnecessary.
@@DoublePMedia I can see hints already. I think they will revisit Alison's past and last big revolution (I'm brainfarting on what they called it at the moment). I think they will introduce Donald and that bit.... just to get a taster. either by the end of season 2 or intertwined... as that will most definitely affect how the next stages of the story will start to build. The writers are already jumping around the history and storyline a bit. so I think those are perfectly applicable to assume they will integrate into the episodes.
Also, the author must never have actually been to Atlanta, because I can tell you there is NOWHERE in Fulton county (Which is mostly downtown Atlanta) far enough away to show downtown like we saw it in the distance, AND flat enough and cleared enough to build all those silos... NOT EVEN CLOSE.
I am a viewer that has not read the books and I was really enjoying the show until the Finale. I was disappointed to learn that Allison and Sheriff Holston died in vain. Allison was certain that the display was wrong and the show let us believe that as well. Now that we learn the outside is desolate then almost all of the mystery built up is rendered moot. We now know why the Silo or Silo's were built ( No more mystery there). The relic that Billings burnt is moot because it doesn't matter what the outside was like because it is No More; therefore it is no longer dangerous for anyone to know.
In the first book, because on page 40 you learn that Holston and Allison are dead - it's a real gut-punch to the reader. However because it's so early in the book, I didn't find it so depressing that I wanted to throw the book away... more like a dark Twilight Zone/Black Mirror twist. And you flip the page to learn the next dark twist.
I just hope they don’t go too off the rails with Simms in season 2. Still don’t know how I feel about the idea of getting him fully involved in the story
Of all the changes so far... the introduction of Sims and judicial is the most destructive. I don't think it was necessary at all and more importantly, disrupted the core story as you suggested...Lucas can't be the IT Dir. shadow. The tension of Lucas not knowing anything is what drove that side of the original story. Sims is in the know. He might not know the complete story...but he knows enough to not be troubled by the rest of it. Lucas was. Lucas went from not being in the know...to in the know and blowing the job interview. Sims wouldn't do that. Sims and Judicial is the key mistake in the TV storyline. It breaks many things in the rest of books one and two.
So aren't things explained in the book? Does book have an ending?? If yes then why are we theorising? What happens in the book? Why did they do it? What happened with the outside world. How come nobody knows if books exist?? What??
Maybe most of the silos have gone bad in one way or another and Bernard and the previous mayors have been doing their best to hide their silo from other dangerously rogue silos. Maybe some silos have been fighting each other and Bernard and his predecessors have been doing all they can to keep their silo out of in. Even going so far as to flood the underground access point to defend against potential invaders from other silos. I wander at what point Bernard is still in contact with any other silos or has news about what's going on with the other silos or has any idea about what's going on beyond these local silos. Or even how much he really knows about the grand history of his own silo.
but access from the void under the silo into didn't exist until a hole was dug through reinforced concrete, that was done from above. that chamber is huge. also Bernard knew nothing of the door. I was never an intended part of the silo occupants to use, maybe a fail safe. A tunnel was on the blue prints maybe thats what made people investigate.
Nonsensical argument! Just enjoying the show! Rarely does a movie or television scrip follow the book! Yeah, read the book, but enjoy the program! I love a mystery, and season one has captivated my attention! I want season two right now, instead of this November when season two is released!
Similar but IMO worse just because All the characters felt smarter in the book. They were asking many big questions that are just never really brought up in the show.
@@DoublePMedia True but my big problem with the show and I'll just use Allison and Juliette for my point. In the book both of them find answers and bigger questions themselves, both through their own actions as well as their connections to other people. They mention the questions at the start (the we don't know why we are here, etc etc) Both characters find FAR more questions and evidence of a much bigger far reaching conspiracy then we are shown in the show at all. In the show the characters are all "A leaf in the wind" never moving on their own power but the whims of others. As far as what could have been cut the ENTIRE generator scene Expecially when Juliette abandons her post where she would have been far more useful and instead sent someone else to spray water. Also the founders built a generator that could survive for years but no bypass valve?
Probably 40% into the first book....so much ground to cover but I think they did a great job but so much to realize I am not sure how they want to handle it.
@@DoublePMedia I finished the show which is how I know they probably used 40% of the first book and with soooooo much ground to cover, i'm concerned they won't be able to do it justice in a creative way. So take the remaining 60% of Wool, are they going to make that into all of S2? I think they will need to seriously condense the remaining story, not to mention the prequel aspect. Hell of a challenge as I sit and think about it. You mentioned ASOIAF (GoT) but Silo doesn't have anywhere near as much detailed world building and nuances as that and SILO life doesn't exactly translate to an 6-7 season run IMO.
For me, the book is narrative driven while the show is plot driven. Visually, plots need to be more fleshed out so I don't mind the new content. overall, it still came out to Jules cleaning but will see what happen with the rest of the seasons.
I havent read the book. I just finished watching. Personally I think the show dragged out for too long. I like episode 1-2. The story was flowing nicely. When Julia became the main character, everything drags on for too long. About like episode 6 I already had a feeling that it's probably really toxic outside, like twist of twist. Because the show tease it so much it became like yeah whatever toxic or not just get on with it. They should have cut all the Who is the real villain out, keep it at 5 episodes, first 2 as is, 3-4 about Julia, 5 to wrap up S1 story and tease for S2.
@@DoublePMedia Then the book is superior yet again. It's a shame though, 'cause while watching the first two episodes I told myself I got a new series to look forward to. It's like one of those show where they were told to make this many episodes or they dont get green lit. Knowing they dont have enough content, they force themselves to make it, ending up spoiling the whole thing.
SPOILERS begin at 10:26 - let us know what else what you want to see in SILO season 2!
I think this is more like from than GoT lol
I know some people who love From... while others have jumped off the From bandwagon
@@DoublePMedia both are great
On the idea of telling a prequal during season 2, it could be done like The Expanse did with Solomon Epstein's path to developing an engine for further solar system travel. They did a good job of flashbacks to tell the story on how humanity started to colonize the outer solar system due to this technological development. Maybe Silo could do similar but over a whole season rather than an episode.
*Big spoilers in this comment* I think if they hop from Juliet and her journey into silo 17 into her finding solo then into solos story for an episode, ending in him talking to silo one and introducing Donald. From there I think it should hop between Juliet, Donald and Lucas back in silo 18. I think having the door at the bottom of the silo introduced in season 1 will help them to join silos 17+ 18 over the course of season 2. When Juliet and solo uncover evidence of what happened with the silos that could be an opportunity to jump back to Donald's story in silo 1. The story of what happened during the rebellion in 18 might be ok to omit completely so you can dive deeper into Donald's story, you could end it with him trying to escape silo 1 or with the original event at the Georgia fair. I can't wait to see how they pull it off!!
The show made me believe that outside was green and lively. Also I thought they were poisoning the people through the filters. Plus when the power went off to make the fix on the generator the screen flickering from green paradise to toxic world sort of threw me off as nobody commented on what happened. I thought that small insignificant scene kind of screwed over the new viewers or new fans that didn't know anything about this show or even the books.
I almost thought i made up that the screen flickered green, kind of weird that that went unnoticed with all those people in the room. It made me think for a second that they just had to reset the power to fix a bug in the camera system or something.
I thought the greenery was fake when we saw the sheriff went outside. It was the same scene from the video from the hard drive.
@@TheMysteriousGunnerbut why even make it green in the first place… strange
@@cramo12345 Probably the green was to encourage cleaners to clean, relying on the chance that those inside would see reality for what it is.
@@sambirabut they know they couldn’t change it because they’ve seen others try?
it's easy enough in S2 to have the first scene as a flashback to the silo origin timeline, weave whatever details they want, then suddenly cut to Juliette on the outside. This can be done throughout the entire season, just like they did in S1 with all the flashbacks
You must have wrote the episode
@lazer23x I'm waiting for more to come out before watching, but if they went with what I said, I'll be very happy! 🤣
@@mikehc6159Yes they did. At first I wasn’t sure if it was a flashback but having had a quick google after the first season which I watched like a week ago I suspected it might be. I also had googled about the outside in episode 2 cause I thought the suits were rigged to kill them. Spoilers often enhance my desire to watch. Anyway You’ll enjoy.
The way the show did it was so great. The suspense the whole season that the outside is just fine, just to find out not only is the outside in fact dead, but there's MORE silos?!?! So much at once made the end so shocking.
what suspense? the moment you see the birds the second time you already know it's fake. I mean how dumb do. you have to be to not get it right away?
@@kustomkureWow, you must be fun at parties…
I know this is a big nit pick, but the size of the silo ring on the surface doesn't jive with the internal size of the silo. They are WAY too close together to be separated. Also, if you look at the size of the levels with the farms, you'd think the dug out area beyond the central core is ENORMOUS for those levels, and even then they wouldn't be big enough to raise anywhere near enough food (plus have room for livestock) to feed 10,000 people...
I get that
I felt the same way. I know the silos go really deep down but the silos are still waaay too close together for the size/circumference of the levels. It is frustrating every time I see it.
As a non-book watcher, I like the pacing. It all feels normal to me. It makes everything feel real.
Read your feedback on the new pod
The question is how long can she be outside in the suit with the air that she has left??
That is the CORRECT thought - let's see if season 2 follows the books
There’s 50 silos and silo 1 is the one that controls everything, man cant wait for season 2
What book reveals that? I’m considering reading. Spoilers entice me more.
I'm excited to see what they keep/change in season 2! I just started book 3 and I'm loving this series! The second half of book one is wild. Hopefully they find a way to do a bunch of it in the show! For book two they might have to try to do that book in a couple episodes before making book 3 into a show.
Same!!
I think they’ll have to rework a lot of the events in Shift to make it work in the show. So much happened that it would be hard to cover everything in a couple episodes. I think they could do a prequel episode explaining how the silos came to be and then rework the plot to make the events in Shift happen at the same time as the silo 18 plot ( a lot of them already do). But they’ll have to figure out something, I don’t see a way for them to do the Dust arc without introducing viewers to the people in silo 1 first.
Or they could do flashbacks in season 2 when Juliette gets to Silo 17 and learns about the legacy
I want season two to explain exactly where the mines are . They can’t be under the Silo because then they will see the big machine . They can’t be to the side because the other Silos are right next door . Where the hell are they ?
When Juliette goes into another silo where everyone is dead , does she go to the bottom and find the tunnel and go back to the first Silo in book 3 ?
LOL - the mysterious mines!!!
There are no mines in the book, 90% of what’s in the show wasn’t in the book and 95% of what is in the book was left out 😒
@@Kalymnahthey do have mines in the books, although they don’t explain them, they do mention that they aren’t allowed to mine horizontally.
@@Kalymnah so if I disliked the show I might like the book better?
Any flashback must be sprinkled in season 2 as a discovery by Juliette or another character thru another hard drive, film projector, or a journal because if they do just a flashback story, it will kill the shows momentum and all the character development they made in season 1. However, if they do go this route, then they must be careful not to overextend or deviate from the books main storyline so it doesn’t have a negative impact.
It makes sense she gets inside another silo. Her knowledge and skill set would be critical to keeping one operational even if it is basically dead in the water.
Can't wait for season 2!
Why is it so difficult to find good shows like this one
I hadn't even heard of it until a random find in IMDB
Its frustrating because most of the time i can't find anything to watch...
Yet this was there all along
Don't get too frustrated :) - AppleTV doesn't promote their shows too effectively.
Fallout. Shogun. Severance. Blue Eye Samurai. The Penguin. Arcane. Westworld first season. Fargo first 2 seasons. True Detective first season. Andor. Band of Brothers. The Pacific. Strange Ned Worlds. And so much more. Open your Eyes.
Just found your channel right now, I had actually just ordered the first book a few days ago. I think I may wait till after season 2 then dig into it. I’ll be following for future videos, but skipping spoilers haha. But watching the rest of the video, I swear 😂
Thank you, and keep the feedback coming :)
Watching the new series I almost felt like I was watching the show on the BE t channels😅
Thank you for revealing where season 1 of the tv show ended in the book. I was going to buy the audio books but didn’t know if I’d miss something if I skipped book 1.
Yep, you can not skip the 2nd half of book one and understand where the story is going.
For the second book, I hope she finds her way to another silo or something and they tell her stories about when it started so you get some flashbacks that way.
Bernard could potentially send Lucas on a “duty” to prove his loyalty instead of sending him down at all. Could cause tension between sims and Lucas. Bernard did mention with sims having a family maybe he isn’t the best candidate.
Also I’m glad they left the outside world a mystery until the end, gives you something to hope for instead of knowing it’s doomed from the start.
Having not read the books, I think it was smart to leave the outside reveal until the end. Putting it much earlier on would have removed a ton of mystery from the show. That said, I do feel the show dragged a lot in the middle (interesting to know lots of that wasn't in the book). I do think you made a good point though about having her go out to clean in episode 9, then show where that sort of leads as episode 10.
Glad you liked it
Dude, yeah. The first two episodes hooked me then seven episodes following were mediocre as hell then last episode was nice.
Its not an oxygen tank that Juliette is wearing its an air filtration device.
facts she said THEY RIGGED THE REBREATHER. Sims said😮 She knows and the rapper common said. KNOWS WHAT?
@@shawnatv4355 Yeah that and how she knew it was a simulation. The outside part with the meadow, tree and grass. I still don’t understand WHY have a fake simulation for those outside who are about to die? Perhaps to give them beauty upon death?
@@henryjohnson-ville3834I just finished reading all the books because I couldn’t wait for the show, that was my biggest question, thankfully it was answered quickly and should be answered in season 2.
@henryjohnson-ville3834 The reason for the simulation is to make them want to clean the lens so that people will see what they think is a beautiful world with birds and such. It is the philosophy of sometime creating cleanable offenses to get the lens cleaned periodically.
If it’s filtration why would it run out of air
I've not read the books and I've been fine with the pacing of the show. I agree that they couldn't just take the show back in time for an entire season of TV, dropping the 'original' storyline. I also agree that they'll have to find a way to scene shift between present and past or alternate episodes, going present, then past until the two arc merge chronologically.
The differences is interesting. Interestingly enough, i really like how i accidentally went through the series which is: watch the show, read the second book, read the second half of the first book, and read the 3rd. I’m pretty sure this is exactly how the show will do it too.
If they do that, they should give you a producer credit in the second season :)
I wish I had done it this way!! Would recommend as I totally lost momentum with book 2 being a prequel
The show has done a much better job than the book of fleshing out the world and characters of Silo 18. It feels like we'll have much more of a stake in what happens and who is affected by the events that follow Juliette's anti-cleaning. I do think the show spent too much on the George thing and the book too little, but what bugged me most was actually the flash that appeared in the cafeteria screen showing the pretty helmet display. There's no reason this would've happened and, rather than being the intriguing clue they clearly intended, it's just incredibly misleading.
Did you read the books before watching the show?
@@Kalymnah Season 1, all three books, season 1 again.
I just finished the 3rd book and this video is exactly what i was looking for ! Thanks :)
Great book series, right!!!
My question is not why they built them but why don't they connect? Maybe not publicly but for govt trade and communication.
Good question!
They do that’s what everyone says the door at the bottom of the silo is for how else would they get food? Yes I know it’s flooded
@@bradylyons3281 yes but that door was not accessable until someone dug 30ft through reinforced concrete to expose the void under the silo.
the door must have been used in the construction phase.
Book Spoilers: I just listened to the audio book for Shift and while long I do feel like it can be done rather fast in a show format. I think if they do intertwine the 2nd part of Wool and Shift I think they will play with non readers by having the time placement of the Silo 1 Perspective of troy in question first and then reveal it with the 2049 timeline later rather than lead with it.
Where did you listen to the audio book?
I put forth a similar idea in a different video.
Theres a fifteen foot door in the bottom of the silo leading where??
It *could* lead to Silo #1 - but the show is really going off in unique directions. Where do you think?
The need to put that hard drive back together can get Locus back from the mine also locus seeing secrets makes Bernard have to keep him as shadow
That's a smart thought!
My question is, what the hell do they need the green pastured hologram? Why did they need it if the Judiciary was telling the truth about a desolate environment outside the Silo?
We may have covered this in a different podcast, but if the show hasn't covered this, it's explained in either the first or second book
The hologram is the incentive for the cleaners to clean. They "see" the lush green hologram and hope by cleaning it'll show on the inside. That's my takeaway
@jayborussell thats exactly what it is. its an ai that controlls everything. and ai that's nuts and willing to kill everyone for shits an giggles. the mayor and simms seem evil but they truly are looking out for the safety of everyone.
@@jayborussellyeah but they’ve all seen the screen and should know that it’s not going to make a difference.
I agree with Bubba! After the TV show finished Season 1, i went out and got the Wool and Shift books. Finished the first and half way through the 2nd book as i write this. I DO THINK that it would be more interesting to start to weave in parts of Shift as we enter into Season 2 of the TV series. Would definitely provide some interesting connection for viewers who are no doubt wondering about this key part of the story. Just the first part of Shift. I don't think viewers would get confused if they did it right, and like the book, label the screen when they flip back between years. My concern is that while i found the rest of Wool extremely interesting, i don't feel like we get much in the way of 'new' characters beyond what limited elements Jules encounters in Silo 17. Since Shift has 3 clear sections, it seems to me that they could weave in 'Section 1: Legacy' into Silo Season 2. Great work as always i hope you post a couple more Silo episodes before 'deep freezing' until Season 2
Good feedback Keekee! We need some insiders to start spoiling about s2
What the order to read i just finished watching the series i want to get the book
@@nurasam You can read the first book 'Wool' threw Chapter 34, and you shouldn't be spoiled for season 2. If you want to read what happens next, buy 'Wool' and start at Chapter 35
Great Description, I agree Juliette will go to check the other SILO sites obviously, but very carefully she know there will be someone watching, I would like to see scenes of abandon SILOS and she will explore inside and will find More and more crazy information, there are multiple Possibilities inside other Silos, it will be great if they produce more than 3 Seasons, but i doubt it. Waiting for your Next Silo videos.
Season 2 can not get here quick enough
I bet a lot of Shift is provided in exposition
That is a smart thought... but I wonder. The s2 trailers haven't shown much beyond (what I assume is) first episode content. Next week, we're back!
in series 2, we need more characters, and we need to learn bernard's boss
Nobody tells Bernard what to do!!
Silo 1
@@KaimukiKid69 There has to be system where mayor answers to Judicial then Judicial answers to someone higher, like in our real life with the ruling elite behind the shadows while our “president” is running America.
I’ve made the terrible mistake - again - of reading a (good to great) book series I enjoyed and then watching the TV ‘product’ Hollywood churned out for the ‘mainstream’ based on it! Oh, when will I learn they are only out for the $$, and don’t give a damn about the source material, even when they co-opt the original author and pay him to agree with whatever ‘improvements’, ‘character swaps’ and ‘necessary medium updates’ they do to it? 😪😮💨
Watch episode 3 and let me know if you like it better than episode 2 - I did
@ I did and it was better by a hair as most of it followed the original story. There are patches where it is okay as the elements from the book story are presented with fidelity but it just serves to remind of what the adaptation could have been and irks the wong way.
7:58 I disagree with you about revealing the toxic world in the first/two episodes. I love what Silo TV show already done, they save it for the last.
Glad you liked it. What do you want to see in Season 2?
Loved this. As a book reader, I do not need Lucas to be the shadow. Im interested to see what else he does in the show and how Sims fits into the overall plot.
S2 is next week! We need Sims & Mrs. Sims to reveal their goal!
ONE SILO TO RULE THEM ALL!
I’m sure season two will be more then 10 episodes so we can have multiple full flashback episodes about how what happened
Doubt it's more than 10, but FLASHBACKS a plenty could be coming!
Speaking of things that should have been included...They really glossed over the whole thing about the tape and that is so important in the story's plot line that something should have been cut to better explain the tape. Hopefully that is something they cover next season in a flashback episode.
100% right. In the main podcast (different video) I mentioned that quite a few people didn't understand the heat tape's role in the story.
I absolutely agree with how they did it in the show. If you're watching this on a "live" format, it's best.
I think they're going to "Westworld" us and tell the story in 2 timelines in season 2 and dust is going to be told against relevant events
That's my assumption as well... the one caveat: they're filming now and unless I missed it, no actors have come out and claimed to have been cast for season 2. You'd think they'd want some sort of name for the Shift roles and the role of Solo
@@DoublePMedia hmm true. Have they revealed casting for Solo at the very least?
@@sandrabaulch we haven't been able to find any
@@DoublePMedia this might be a sign that they're not releasing casting details for anyone in S2 yet including any flash backs then?
Maybe there's an NDA involved so we get a nice surprise, and to throw off any book-readers who may spoil and yi manage expectations.
@@DoublePMedia Steve Zahn has been cast as Solo
yes you can sell people on that... especially if you link it maybe end of ep 2 season 3 give us almost 2 full episode of past story be4 bringing back juliet... the answers are in the past
What happens to the bodies outside who cleans them?
@6:40 But Halston *did* realize it was fake…at first he saw the beautiful fake world and was saying Allison was right, then he started to feel weird and tripped - I don’t think it was over Allison’s body, but before it, which at first he thought her body wasn’t there….then took his helmet off which elicited gasps from the SiloWatchers. I’ll have to go back and read the book and rewatch the episode as I think I must not be remembering either one very well.
As for the whole tape/suit bit, I totally got this backwards, as I thought IT’s tape was the best, and the other tape used throughout the Silo was crap and that was what was used on the suits. I thought IT was mad because they realized it was such higher quality, protected against the heat better for the generator and figured they’d end up using the better tape for Juliette’s suit. I had it totally backwards but also the suit but right, just not which was which. I don’t know how,I got this confused because when Juliette said in ep 9m(I think) that “It’s tape was crap” I was like “What?? No, that was the whole reason it worked for the generator because it was better, and the typical “the privileged get better everything”motif” but I was obviously really mixed up! LOL!
Now, not trying to be controversial but I too thought the show did the story better, but again, I didn’t read the books until after I saw the series Iand was pretty durn shocked at how much further in the story Book 1 goes! I skipped most of Book 2 when I realized it was a prequel, but I have to go back and read it after reading book 3 and getting some guests from 2! Anyway, I do think there are some bits that maybe don’t have the best explanation other than “crazy government psychos”. I like how the ‘’relics”are handled in the series, I George and having him discover most of the stuff that Juliette’s character as portrayed probably wouldn’t t care so much about but inherits info from a “fanboy” worked great. I loved the Georgia guidebook and not sure it even could have worked the same way in the book (I didn’t miss it somehow did I?). The whole cleaning the camera but would of course be solved by having a wiper or other self cleaning tech, I mean a culture that can build a Silo or 50 surely to go could think up “might get dirty”. This whole illogical bit made me honestly think the whole display was fake, especially after the Ep3 graphics glitch when the power shuts down (what was that anyway, do you guys discuss it?) and then in Ep 10 there were many long shots where it appeared there were NO BODIES outside! I saw many other people note this too so was t just me who thought it. Anyway I need to go back and really give the books a thorough read instead of the rushed way I did. But whichever is better, the lucky part is they both are AWESOME and totally digging this series (nod nod wink wink).
That may be my Book Bias shining through - in the book, we're in Holston's third-person perspective, so readers know his thoughts
Oh I keep forgetting to ask you guys but I have noted this elsewhere - Apple debuted their “Apple Vision” headset about the time this series started. Coincidence? I think not! Pretty sure whoever had the idea for the headset got it from Silo and after discussing how it would work (especially if there’s an 8x2 “retina” display inside obscuring the wearer’s face, that a “fake” display of the wearer’s face would also have to be projected to the outside viewers (or do they just see black?) and how it overlays reality (ie when they walk up the stairs/ramp,, turn an look at the cameras and clean it, they have to be seeing the real world in some way, but when the overlay kicks in it does it so smoothly that they don’t notice, yet the overlay isn’t perfect as they trip over the landscape that obviously isn’t the same as the time it was filmed hundreds of years ago…or is it totally cgi? A whole discussion of the helmet and if these very books inspired it thus Apple’s timing of introducing it even tho it won’t be available for a year or more…guess they didn’t want people saying Silo came first and Apple copied the idea even tho I think that’s probably what happened! :-)
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My guess for the water thing you mentioned at 5:00 is that they are trying to ignore the digging thing in the show, and use that tunnel as a way through instead
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Hey honey, wanna get a movie at Red Box? Yeah when, tonight? No, I was thinking in about two years!
That's how much I care about season two!
LOL - hell yeah!
I'm at 10:20 I'm going to buy the books should I just not watch the rest of this video ? Or will I still enjoy the books if I continue it?
Be safe and don't watch the rest -- however if you do continue the video - the spoilers are very general and not specific story beats of the 2nd half of the first book.
I think they will put the current characters in situations that are similar to the events of the past and flash back to them to a) show the parallels between then and "now" as well as b) serve as a way to tell those stories on the show without having to do a prequal season. I'm not familiar with the books and this is the first I've looked at anything outside of the show. But, if I were making a TV show and in that situation of having to tell a past story without giving it it's own separate season or dedicated arc over a period of x seasons, that's how I would handle it. I've appreciated hearing your perspectives and that even your spoiler portion was fairly spoiler free. ;)
Or she could go to the server room in the other silo and find old video this would be the most natural way of learning about the past and we learn as the characters do
I finished season 1 finale, thought to myself that the story was so interesting I had to read the books. Finished Wool/Shift/Dust and now reflecting back on the show it was a pretty bad adaptation, even while watching it as a non-reader I was like "what the heck is all this random drama" and felt vindicated when reading the books to find out it was Hollywood bloat. I really hope they correct the storytelling in season 2, I cannot stand a repeat of the pacing in season 1.
100% - With season 2, the show can fly, or keep chugging :)
The water is an important part to tie to Season 2, I believe. Now that we know the silo is but one of many silos around then tunnel below can very well be the way to link them. Knowing there is a water barrier to overcome yet George mentioned it is nothing. This adds more mystery to Season 2.
Ummm... without spoiling the end of the first book, the water at the bottom of the silo gets revealed relatively soon after Juliette arrives at her next destination. So introducing it in season 1 added another mystery without a payoff. The show has plenty (too many) imo
@@DoublePMedia Isn't "To be continued" good? Otherwise, with everything paid off what's for us to look forward to in Season 2? I sincerely don't understand your complaint about the water looming over Season 1 unresolved being a bad thing.
@@ConcernedPublicRight I agree. Why must every mystery be self contained? Allusions to the future and long game payoffs are satisfying imo.
@@ConcernedPublic Not 'good' nor 'bad' - It's a matter of taste. As we point out in the first part of the podcast - the show has SO MANY unresolved questions, I argue the number of outstanding mysteries outweighs the benefits. 'Puzzle box' shows can create very dedicated fans, but LOST was never the #1 show on TV for a reason. imo SILO would be an even bigger hit if it had been closer to the book's narrative and closer to the nature of the books which is NOT a puzzle box mystery.
@@DoublePMedia Fair enough. I've not read the book so I don't have the insight or knowledge of the official 'story;' therefore, your perspective. What I can tell you is I enjoyed the development of the plots in Season 1, whether it was faithful to the books or not. I appreciate the rich depiction of human, social, political, and personal/collective struggles and aspirations of the story. Unlike some other shows, I find that there's a lot to chew on simply because it is not a superficial story - I see so much parallels to our lives today. We're all living in our own silos in some respect and believe in our 'own truths' which, unbeknownst to us, may very well be totally apart from facts. Misinformation is now justified on the ground of survival, morality, necessity, ... decided by a few in order to 'contain' us - sacrificing a few for the good of the majority, on whim of a few, is, somehow, moral and just. To live is to conform, to question is to die... for the greater 'good' defined by a few. Freedom and knowledge are, somehow, inconvenient, undesirable, dangerous, and even evil. They got me hooked, especially with little payoffs. I, for one, definitely look forward to Season 2.
I watched season 1 and then read the book and I think the TV show is so much better. I can't wait to see season 3.
Both Seasons? Of which show?
My bad. I meant to say season 1.
@@carolyn816 Thumbs up. What did you think of the book part PAST season 1 of the TV show, which we should see in season 2?
@@DoublePMedia To be honest I read it rather fast so after I see season two I will probably read it again. Like I said, I love the TV series much better than the book and can't wait to see what they do with this part.
You wouldn’t say the same if you had read the books first.
I remember when I was reading the story that I wanted to know what happened in the past in silo 18, what caused the rebellion. I thought I didn't remember a Judicial. Sims to me represents the guards who guard IT. Sims the shadow?! Hell no! I remember a character mentioning having a caretaker for a father, vaguely. Did they conflate that? Was that Lucus? I would have preferred the George actor to have been Lucus frankly.
I think the next season can switch between the aftermath in silo 18 of her going out and disappearing and what happens to her and where she goes. I guess the big door will be the final episode, seeing what's behind the door, she'll figure out how to open it.
Exactly. Great feedback!
I think Silo will become the biggest show of the 2020s,kinda how Lost was for the 2000s,GoT was for the 2010s
Make it so, Apple TV Plus overlords :)
@@DoublePMedia my reasoning,the story of the book series is so damn interesting and intriguing,so damn many plot twists in every book,is something unique never before seen on a tv show,at least none that i know of
Read the books and put off watching this until now, its objectively better than the books
Hello, Bubba and Catfish! Listen, season 2 of The Afterparty just dropped and I *REALLY* want you to do a “Let’s Solve” on it! Can you pretty please?
Watched the first 2 episodes. REALLY REALLY don't have time for a full "Let's Solve" on it at this moment. But maybe if I'm free this weekend, I can do mini-versions
@@DoublePMediaOkie Dokie
They’ll handle the events of book 2 just like LOST did in the first few seasons. You’ll get two stories running in parallel.
Do they begin in season 2? Or hold off until season 3?
@@DoublePMedia - They’ll start in the first episode. Well either start with the past of the next Silo, or we’ll start with the walk over the hill. This show has already been following the LOST playbook. It’s worked so far. They just keep it going.
(kinda spoilery warning for book 1 and a bit of book 2!) So I've only read about half of Shift, and none of Dust. But my understanding is that Shift covers the history of the silos up to the point of Juliette's cleaning, and also goes into the back story of Solo. Then the Juliette narrative continues in Dust. So here's how a 4 season show could go (I may be talking out of my butt here, but...): seasons 1 and 2 cover book 1, plus some of Solo's back story, and maybe some other history. Seasons 3 and 4 then cover book 3, also with some back story. Basically you don't make book 2 into a season (some of it is pretty dull anyhow, at least what I've read of it), but rather drip feed it into the other seasons.
I'm not convinced Sims will be Bernard's shadow, but rather I think that he has a date with a balcony rail in his near future. As to whether Lukas will be made shadow per the book? You can make a case that by releasing him from the mines Bernard is buying his loyalty. Or they could go in another direction. Hugh Howie has said in interviews that there will be some major deviations from later books (see the interview on Pete Pepper's channel for example). It would sure be interesting to see the mines and the tunnel. But Juliette needs a reason to come back to Silo 18 at the end of book 1, and she sure ain't gonna come back for Sims...
SHIFT is The Last Jedi - of the Silo series. People either love it or people have problems with it and can't wait to get back to Juliette.
@@DoublePMedia We'd call that a "Marmite" book - you either love it or hate it, there's no middle ground.
I was on a panel at SDCC with Hugh Howey
We love Hugh's Silo series of books!
Is the second book not a prequel?
Great question: The second book IS a prequel, but we have to consider: the first season didn't complete the story of the first book.
We know s2 will continue the story of the first book (Juliette out of the Silo), but we don't know if s2 will include the prequel content from the second book.
@@DoublePMedia so do you think apple will keep investing in this to see it through? I doubt it, don't get me wrong the story/book is solid but viewers are fickle...
@@marcayres8567 If you'd asked me a year ago, when Apple TV was greenlighting 2nd and 3rd season, I'd have said "Yes, we'll see the entire story." Now... I don't know. Add in the writers are drawing out the story, imo. It's a good question
Guys I can't even wait for second season and you are talking about 6-7 seasons , that will last 6-7 years to conclude 🤧🤧😓
That's us being silly - The Producers have been talking 4 seasons!
I couldn’t wait either so I read all the books
I am a show watcher and I was looking for a video like this, because I really felt that show had a lot of potential that it didn't utilize fully well. When you mentioned the differences with the book - it seemed exactly what was wrong with the show. It seemed like the dragged-out mysteries for way too long without giving much to latch on to, which made me not care about mysteries that much - and the final reveal that the truth that they thought was a lie was actually a truth after felt very weak to me. If they revealed it in episode 5 like you suggested - it would've been more interesting to me. Other reveals - a bad guy that turned out to be a bad guy, very weak world-building (it felt like there were about 10-20 people who were "oppressing" the rest of the population, er?)...
Hopefully we say in the podcast: the show isn't bad (in fact, some like the show better) -- yet the show broke a number of things that were great in the books.
Wool is only the first book in the series too. There is a lot more tale to tell in the Silo series.
what is the title of the book being discussed here..?
The 3 books series which Silo is based are: Wool (Book 1), Shift (Book 2), and Dust (Book 3) by Hugh Howey
Spoiler from books: you didn’t explain to your friend well that book two is not just a prequel. But that the third part of the book actually is mostly present time and the fall of silo 17. So it should be fairly easy and seamless of how they can dedicate 1 episode, probably episode 2, to the first part of the book of how the silos were built. And then have a half an episode or even a full episode flashback somewhere on the fall of silo 17 to show the shifts in silo 1. And at the end of the season you can combine the two timelines. Or even have episode one being the building of the silos with an intro of Bernard calling silo 1 in the first few minutes, and then have flashbacks of fall of silo 17 when she finds it with silo 1 being a part of the story going forward.
And obviously you’ll need a flashback from the second shift explaining the water and the ones that remember which I think are the flame keepers/people with the syndrome.
Thanks for the feedback! Catfish plays an odd role on the podcast: He's read the books, but he doesn't remember anything, therefore he fills the role of the non-book-reader host. Plus, he's so forgetful and quite frankly senile, that it wasn't a joke, he won't remember any of this conversation in a year. HOWEVER just for safety, when he's in the spoiler part of book talk, I do keep the spoilers more general than specific.
@@DoublePMedia haha i know what you mean :) i actually read the book back when it was coming out and didn't remember a single thing :) thank you for replying and love your channel
As a complete muggle who just saw the show on apple tv I was absolutely enthralled by the story and the ending absolutely shocked me, did not expect that plot twist. Did feel like guy from cafeteria (Lucas I suppose?) was superfluous and kinda bummed there wasn't any resolution for the underwater door but I suppose it's gonna be in season 2 since she told Bernard. Juliette is pretty likeable as a lead although gotta say that taking on three men in armour or pushing Simms down cracked me up. That guy's an absolute unit, less of that please 😂
I felt like the book rushed through the stuff leading up to Juliette's cleaning, but the show drags things out to a ridiculous degree.
The show dragging is not my favorite thing either. Season 2 in 2 weeks! Hope for the 'fun' to continue like the book!
@@DoublePMedia Looking forward to it :)
Based how they showed a destroyed city (probably Atlanta) in the background on the surface I don't think they're going to follow the book as far as why the silos were built. The 3rd book reveals that there's a toxic cloud around the silo entrances, but the rest of the world has recovered. If the whole area in still poised for hundreds of miles in all directions, the story might not involve nanotechnology at all.
I think they could skip book 2 or compress it into the odd flash back, I was disappointed in book2 due to the drastic change in direction and not expanding in the cliffhanger at end of book 1. Its a good book, but wanted a continuation.
Yes, it's going to be interesting to see how they handle book 2
Video should be labeled "Some" spoilers if they happen to follow the books
Takes too long to get to the season 2 spoilers!
So is anybody else mad like me that the show didn’t tell us about what George found under the water yet tho like i really want to know
You keep sayjng book. The books were called Silo. It was Wool then Shift then Dust.
Apple lumped into calling it Silo.
We did Book-to-Show videos after every episode; we talk about that in the early videos. By this point, we're using shorthand
I didn’t read the books and I thought episodes 3-7 were not interesting and dragged on. Makes sense to hear that it was the part not in the books
Some people like that section - but for me, yeah, not anywhere near the greatness of the book
I think season 2 will jump back and forth between the rest of book one and book 2
That's my assumption, but I've been wrong about this adaptation before :)
Season 1 is so dragged out and packed with fillers. I agree that Juliette's cleaning should've been earlier, and we got to see the fallout on Bernie a lot earlier. The whole fixing a generator and murder of deputy chief and mayor was wholly unnecessary.
Are there Dragons on season 2?
When Lukas gets sent to the mines... he digs too deep
I think they are working aspects from book 2 into the show. Lukas is absolutely necessary for the story line.
Agree, how do you think it will work?
@@DoublePMedia I can see hints already. I think they will revisit Alison's past and last big revolution (I'm brainfarting on what they called it at the moment). I think they will introduce Donald and that bit.... just to get a taster. either by the end of season 2 or intertwined... as that will most definitely affect how the next stages of the story will start to build. The writers are already jumping around the history and storyline a bit. so I think those are perfectly applicable to assume they will integrate into the episodes.
I ain’t never red da books beecuzz I ain’t no how to reed
There always be audiobooks :)
Also, the author must never have actually been to Atlanta, because I can tell you there is NOWHERE in Fulton county (Which is mostly downtown Atlanta) far enough away to show downtown like we saw it in the distance, AND flat enough and cleared enough to build all those silos... NOT EVEN CLOSE.
LOL the land doesn’t get that flat until 1 hour south of Macon
Welcome to the 15-minute cities, do not go out 😮....far
Why would anyone want to clean at first place when outside is all dead land. Why they want to see it anyway. Does not make sense.
Great points. Hopefully the series reaches that story point :)
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Thank you. To celebrate, we’ll ask Bernard for a forgiveness holiday
I am a viewer that has not read the books and I was really enjoying the show until the Finale. I was disappointed to learn that Allison and Sheriff Holston died in vain. Allison was certain that the display was wrong and the show let us believe that as well. Now that we learn the outside is desolate then almost all of the mystery built up is rendered moot. We now know why the Silo or Silo's were built ( No more mystery there). The relic that Billings burnt is moot because it doesn't matter what the outside was like because it is No More; therefore it is no longer dangerous for anyone to know.
In the first book, because on page 40 you learn that Holston and Allison are dead - it's a real gut-punch to the reader. However because it's so early in the book, I didn't find it so depressing that I wanted to throw the book away... more like a dark Twilight Zone/Black Mirror twist. And you flip the page to learn the next dark twist.
I just hope they don’t go too off the rails with Simms in season 2. Still don’t know how I feel about the idea of getting him fully involved in the story
'Sims over the rails' would be a GREAT tagline for Season 2 - lol
That's how the book sell will rise.And should.
Of all the changes so far... the introduction of Sims and judicial is the most destructive. I don't think it was necessary at all and more importantly, disrupted the core story as you suggested...Lucas can't be the IT Dir. shadow. The tension of Lucas not knowing anything is what drove that side of the original story. Sims is in the know. He might not know the complete story...but he knows enough to not be troubled by the rest of it. Lucas was. Lucas went from not being in the know...to in the know and blowing the job interview. Sims wouldn't do that. Sims and Judicial is the key mistake in the TV storyline. It breaks many things in the rest of books one and two.
Love this feedback!
So aren't things explained in the book? Does book have an ending?? If yes then why are we theorising? What happens in the book? Why did they do it? What happened with the outside world. How come nobody knows if books exist?? What??
1883 and 1923 did extremely well as prequels to Yellowstone. I think apple can pull it off
100%
Maybe most of the silos have gone bad in one way or another and Bernard and the previous mayors have been doing their best to hide their silo from other dangerously rogue silos. Maybe some silos have been fighting each other and Bernard and his predecessors have been doing all they can to keep their silo out of in. Even going so far as to flood the underground access point to defend against potential invaders from other silos. I wander at what point Bernard is still in contact with any other silos or has news about what's going on with the other silos or has any idea about what's going on beyond these local silos. Or even how much he really knows about the grand history of his own silo.
Bernard - the hero we need! :)
but access from the void under the silo into didn't exist until a hole was dug through reinforced concrete, that was done from above. that chamber is huge. also Bernard knew nothing of the door. I was never an intended part of the silo occupants to use, maybe a fail safe. A tunnel was on the blue prints maybe thats what made people investigate.
I don’t think I can wait a whole year lol I’m gonna read the books
Think you’re gonna love them
Wait, what? Bernard didn't pick Simms at all for his shadow. He said he wouldn't be a good shadow. I think in season 2 Lukas will be the shadow.
in the first book in the series, Bernard chooses Lukas as his shadow. The show may go a different way
Simms is a very minor character in the books. He pops up a little in book 1, and towards the end of book 3.
Nonsensical argument! Just enjoying the show! Rarely does a movie or television scrip follow the book! Yeah, read the book, but enjoy the program! I love a mystery, and season one has captivated my attention! I want season two right now, instead of this November when season two is released!
I’m looking forward to season 2
Not coming, show got cancelled by makers
It got delayed from the strike never heard they were not ever going to do season 2
Have you seen the new seasons Thriller?
Yes, and we can't wait!!! (though we are waiting until we finish our Only Murders coverage :) )
Similar but IMO worse just because All the characters felt smarter in the book. They were asking many big questions that are just never really brought up in the show.
The show NEVER addressed the green world flashing on the view screens during the power outage... #NotGood
@@DoublePMedia True but my big problem with the show and I'll just use Allison and Juliette for my point.
In the book both of them find answers and bigger questions themselves, both through their own actions as well as their connections to other people. They mention the questions at the start (the we don't know why we are here, etc etc)
Both characters find FAR more questions and evidence of a much bigger far reaching conspiracy then we are shown in the show at all.
In the show the characters are all "A leaf in the wind" never moving on their own power but the whims of others.
As far as what could have been cut the ENTIRE generator scene Expecially when Juliette abandons her post where she would have been far more useful and instead sent someone else to spray water. Also the founders built a generator that could survive for years but no bypass valve?
Probably 40% into the first book....so much ground to cover but I think they did a great job but so much to realize I am not sure how they want to handle it.
Let us know when you get past the 1st season of the tv show
@@DoublePMedia I finished the show which is how I know they probably used 40% of the first book and with soooooo much ground to cover, i'm concerned they won't be able to do it justice in a creative way.
So take the remaining 60% of Wool, are they going to make that into all of S2? I think they will need to seriously condense the remaining story, not to mention the prequel aspect. Hell of a challenge as I sit and think about it.
You mentioned ASOIAF (GoT) but Silo doesn't have anywhere near as much detailed world building and nuances as that and SILO life doesn't exactly translate to an 6-7 season run IMO.
For me, the book is narrative driven while the show is plot driven. Visually, plots need to be more fleshed out so I don't mind the new content. overall, it still came out to Jules cleaning but will see what happen with the rest of the seasons.
We're 2 weeks away from season 2!
I havent read the book. I just finished watching. Personally I think the show dragged out for too long. I like episode 1-2. The story was flowing nicely. When Julia became the main character, everything drags on for too long. About like episode 6 I already had a feeling that it's probably really toxic outside, like twist of twist. Because the show tease it so much it became like yeah whatever toxic or not just get on with it. They should have cut all the Who is the real villain out, keep it at 5 episodes, first 2 as is, 3-4 about Julia, 5 to wrap up S1 story and tease for S2.
What you suggest would be closer to the way it played out in the book.
@@DoublePMedia Then the book is superior yet again. It's a shame though, 'cause while watching the first two episodes I told myself I got a new series to look forward to.
It's like one of those show where they were told to make this many episodes or they dont get green lit. Knowing they dont have enough content, they force themselves to make it, ending up spoiling the whole thing.
Juliette is going to have to hold her breath for a long time before season 2
Silo is built because is easier to control people.
I love the show can’t wait for season 2
Because they weren't affected by the SAG strike, it may be back quicker than we imagine!