Hey Gordon, here is what I want to bring to Your attention: th-cam.com/video/LgxztUsdZJ4/w-d-xo.html by Wisioner A (hybrid) thermonuclear reactor (research project) has been launched in Russia for the transmutation of Th --> U233 T-15 md mega Kurchatov Institute maybe tell John Kutsch, Kirk, and Ed Pheil about this new Russian project, too
somthing was blocked, so I try again A thermonuclear reactor has been launched in Russia from Wisioner on TH-cam 5 months ago this TH-cam is also going to be very interesting: Frank Shu speaks on the Astrophysics of Thorium Molten-salt Breeder Reactors TH-cam of Indian Acacemy... (I have not yet watched it completely)
It was nice to see someone running for the house of representatives not only attending an event like this, but participating in the dialogue and asking what States can do to help.
have You read about the new problem in Fusion, ITER: due to out-of-specs fabrication, there were cracks, and the He caused additional corrosion of the cracks of the vacuum chamber! how can (hot?) Helium be corrosive to a metal? that is something new. another delay coming, because they have to disassemble parts.
It’s well over ten years since Kirk Sorensen popularized the MSR and nobody has bent a single piece of metal with the intention of putting it into a working machine. The reason why is alluded to in the video: policy. You’re not allowed to experiment with these things, so it’s impossible to figure out what will work. This is going nowhere until nuclear regulation is **dramatically** reduced or preferably abolished altogether.
I'm very sure you will find some coal/oil/gas lobby meeting with Nixon explaining him how this technology will destroy 100 thousands of worker jobs because it will be to cheap to compete. And then the financing of the demo reactor stopped.
I am absolutely for this where it is both MOST Needed and SAFEST to use. No matter how safe the design, there should be areas that nuke shouldn’t go, regions that routinely have earthquakes above 5.0 shouldn’t have them, nor high tornado and hurricane zones. But there’s regions that simply don’t NEED them, wherever Icelandic style Geothermal is available, particularly Wyoming. The volcano can power us and the surrounding states EASILY using that system. So it’s eastern US east of Kansas and north of Georgia where most Nuclear plants should go. On in Washington and one in northern Texas away from the Gulf may be fine. Figure out a few other places ad we go, but the bulk in one area.
It is possible to design reactors to be earthquake tolerant. Japanese reactors survived the 2011 earthquake, it was the Tsunami which took out Fukushima, not the earthquake(s). And that was an old BWR.
They put them on submarines and aircraft carriers. They've designed these things for seismic events for years. I think that concern will be and has been addressed.
I've heard that one: if You donate a horse to a beggar, he will ride until the horse dies. I don't know, how to apply this one; maybe if some nation becomes so energy deficient, that nothing is left but to beg for energy, then this nation better be kept away from nuclear reactors?
@@konradcomrade4845 you must be thinking of "the horse with no name"? Or is it "looking a gift horse in the mouth"?, because most people I know would immediately take the horse to feed and water. The obvious solution to global energy problems has been available for a long time, we should go looking for the appropriate people to implement the technology?
@@davidwilkie9551Yes , but it’s better but not near the change we need right away if not for us but for our children and grandchildren. It’s hard to make the general public aware to insert new people if they just depend on corporate media who work only for the interest of the existing oil and coal and green energy companies and therefore are purposely slow on reporting and educating the public so they can keep their income and control as long as they can .
@@davidwilkie9551 Neither, nor. the word "donate" is in the sense of "not selling the horse (to another farmer), but to give it away for free, to a poor man. What could the poor beggar do with a (valuable, but it needs feeding and care, too ) horse? This saying I heard as a kind of joke/wisdom was told in a German farmer's village. Your comment, above, reminded me of this old one! For the appropriate people I would certainly endorse Ed Pheil, more than the team that Bill Gates has set up.
If you don't slow the neutrons with moderator, they're less likely to hit a nucleus. Without moderator you need more fissile because of this. A thermal-spectrum reactor is also easier to control because slowed neutron splitting an has (on average) a slight delay.
Thermal Thorium is 2.3 neuttons/fission, but fast is 2.5neutrons/fission. Also, in a fast spectrum fission product crossections go down faster than fission crossections, so the neutton fission to loss ratio is better, so less Fission Product cleaning costs. Yes, more fissile is needed to start up, but the same fissile is fissioned, so same fuel utilization.
It does not make a difference. In US there is NRC. You need NRC approval for building and running a nuclear plant. Elon Musk here can't do anything with those NRC folks.
But that doesn't involve destructive mining and badly treated workers. Also Elon has no liquid money and he needs to pay creditors (1.5 bil/yr) for his BRILLIANT idea to buy twitter. I'd rather that trash heap stay away then implode the entire industry
Winston, search for: US NRC accepts application for molten salt research reactor ...that's Nov 24th fresh news. As Rusty will say in his talk later, they're aiming for 2025 for their fissioning research reactor. Mark Nelson is aiming for 2025 fuelling commercial reactors with Thorium+HALEU fuel. As nice as it would be to have Elon Musk take a stab at this... he seems kinda busy, and perhaps leveraged?
Elon would turn it into vapor and smoke and 99x talk and a dude in a body suit pretending to be a robot “Our AI Robot system reduces operating costs and ensures security” and claiming its already powering every home in Dubai right now! Pump the stock price! Pump it!! Not that the company can actually do anything with that money. Stocks are already sold, their in private hands and the company cant sell the stocks they hold or they risk “hostile take over” and a massive drop in share price. Stock market is a casino for the rich, IPO’s are where the money is raised - the stock is all in the companies hands and sold to investors as trading cards or collectable toys… but for rich people! Sure you are entitled to a “vote” and “dividend payments” but not all the time! Stocks have various privileges based on the companies corporate bylaws - which can be changed. The primary real values of stocks can suddenly dissapear with many companies not even offering dividends anymore!!! Currently Elon musk has pissed away more money in 1 year than anyone else in the history of the world. Tesla stock is down more than 50% and none of his companies earn anything. Pension funds, retirement, personal investments. Millions of working people investing for retirement have lost billions due to Elon Musks childish tantrums this year. His JOB was to be a cheer leader funnuling money into the capable hands of enginners to make cool stuff - instead hes a conman who lies to millions and then sells 9 billion dollars in stocks. Now he can burn the companies and walk away with a bottomless bank account and 0 liability.
While I am a big proponent of Thorium, I can't believe that one of the goals is to produce power "to cheap to meter". I remember THAT line from back in the day and look where we are at with pricing. AND with the large unprotected amounts of HIGHLY RADIOACTIVE WASTE we are accumulating, I don't see ANY progress being made to safely reprocess or store this for at LEAST 2 if not more generations. We are still at the old "kick the can down the road" mentality with ALL INVOLVED KNOWING they will be dead and buried and able to escape the wrath of upset citizens (unless they are going to dig your bones up and toss THEM into a reactor.) And for the second gentleman to claim WE can make most of the components here in the USA, I highly doubt it and the prices would be ASTRONOMICAL. We CANNOT build ANYTHING CHEAPLY here in the USA mainly due to greed. Foreign car manufacturers here can't even get QUALIFIED, SKILLED WORKERS here. Our days of being a leader in manufacturing are LONG GONE. Where are you going to find the workers with the skills necessary to safely run complex machinery? Machine shops can't even get someone to run a CNC machine that is basically automated. The dumbing down of America has taken it's toll. Sorry, I'll get off my soap box now.
This took place on Day2 of TEAC11. www.patreon.com/thorium
Thanks again Gordon.
Hey Gordon, here is what I want to bring to Your attention: th-cam.com/video/LgxztUsdZJ4/w-d-xo.html by Wisioner
A (hybrid) thermonuclear reactor (research project) has been launched in Russia for the transmutation of Th --> U233 T-15 md mega Kurchatov Institute
maybe tell John Kutsch, Kirk, and Ed Pheil about this new Russian project, too
@@konradcomrade4845 Can you Tweet or email or comment a link to prose instead of that AI generated video? I'm not getting obvious results.
somthing was blocked, so I try again
A thermonuclear reactor has been launched in Russia from Wisioner on TH-cam 5 months ago
this TH-cam is also going to be very interesting: Frank Shu speaks on the Astrophysics of Thorium Molten-salt Breeder Reactors TH-cam of Indian Acacemy... (I have not yet watched it completely)
@@konradcomrade4845 thanks
It was nice to see someone running for the house of representatives not only attending an event like this, but participating in the dialogue and asking what States can do to help.
Shouldn’t that part time gimp that potato Joe put in charge of Nuclear Energy have been there?
So happy you got this out Gordon!
Yes, Ed McGuinness, now Curio, really loved Elysium's recycling concept, and decided to do that when he left government.
have You read about the new problem in Fusion, ITER: due to out-of-specs fabrication, there were cracks, and the He caused additional corrosion of the cracks of the vacuum chamber! how can (hot?) Helium be corrosive to a metal? that is something new. another delay coming, because they have to disassemble parts.
It’s well over ten years since Kirk Sorensen popularized the MSR and nobody has bent a single piece of metal with the intention of putting it into a working machine.
The reason why is alluded to in the video: policy. You’re not allowed to experiment with these things, so it’s impossible to figure out what will work.
This is going nowhere until nuclear regulation is **dramatically** reduced or preferably abolished altogether.
Thanks!
Red about this promising technique in
the 1960s(!).
Wishing McDowell great success in his
important work.
I'm very sure you will find some coal/oil/gas lobby meeting with Nixon explaining him how this technology will destroy 100 thousands of worker jobs because it will be to cheap to compete. And then the financing of the demo reactor stopped.
Why don't the new companies just go to India, Brasil or somewhere else were the EU and the USA don't have their thumb on things to prevent progress?
Thorcon. Indonesia.
I am absolutely for this where it is both MOST Needed and SAFEST to use. No matter how safe the design, there should be areas that nuke shouldn’t go, regions that routinely have earthquakes above 5.0 shouldn’t have them, nor high tornado and hurricane zones.
But there’s regions that simply don’t NEED them, wherever Icelandic style Geothermal is available, particularly Wyoming. The volcano can power us and the surrounding states EASILY using that system. So it’s eastern US east of Kansas and north of Georgia where most Nuclear plants should go. On in Washington and one in northern Texas away from the Gulf may be fine. Figure out a few other places ad we go, but the bulk in one area.
It is possible to design reactors to be earthquake tolerant. Japanese reactors survived the 2011 earthquake, it was the Tsunami which took out Fukushima, not the earthquake(s). And that was an old BWR.
They put them on submarines and aircraft carriers. They've designed these things for seismic events for years. I think that concern will be and has been addressed.
4:07: "...so far the block in this country is the NRC...": So do it in another country. There have to be dozens of countries in Africa to do it in.
why Africa? North Korea may grab it; much more so!
(me getting sarcastic? )
"If wishes were horses, then beggars would ride", otherwise, there's an extreme need for patience.
I've heard that one: if You donate a horse to a beggar, he will ride until the horse dies. I don't know, how to apply this one; maybe if some nation becomes so energy deficient, that nothing is left but to beg for energy, then this nation better be kept away from nuclear reactors?
@@konradcomrade4845 you must be thinking of "the horse with no name"? Or is it "looking a gift horse in the mouth"?, because most people I know would immediately take the horse to feed and water.
The obvious solution to global energy problems has been available for a long time, we should go looking for the appropriate people to implement the technology?
@@davidwilkie9551Yes , but it’s better but not near the change we need right away if not for us but for our children and grandchildren. It’s hard to make the general public aware to insert new people if they just depend on corporate media who work only for the interest of the existing oil and coal and green energy companies and therefore are purposely slow on reporting and educating the public so they can keep their income and control as long as they can .
@@davidwilkie9551 Neither, nor. the word "donate" is in the sense of "not selling the horse (to another farmer), but to give it away for free, to a poor man. What could the poor beggar do with a (valuable, but it needs feeding and care, too ) horse? This saying I heard as a kind of joke/wisdom was told in a German farmer's village. Your comment, above, reminded me of this old one!
For the appropriate people I would certainly endorse Ed Pheil, more than the team that Bill Gates has set up.
Why does an MSR need a moderator?
Breeding of thorium works better with moderated thermal neutrons, I believe.
If you don't slow the neutrons with moderator, they're less likely to hit a nucleus. Without moderator you need more fissile because of this. A thermal-spectrum reactor is also easier to control because slowed neutron splitting an has (on average) a slight delay.
Thermal Thorium is 2.3 neuttons/fission, but fast is 2.5neutrons/fission. Also, in a fast spectrum fission product crossections go down faster than fission crossections, so the neutton fission to loss ratio is better, so less Fission Product cleaning costs.
Yes, more fissile is needed to start up, but the same fissile is fissioned, so same fuel utilization.
No, fast spectrum is better, easier. See respinse to G McDowell below.
MSRs dont require a moderator, with fluoride salt & no moderator, they are intermediate spectrum, with chloride salt MSRs are fast soectrum.
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There are cities that have their own reactions.
You need an Elon Musk?
It does not make a difference. In US there is NRC. You need NRC approval for building and running a nuclear plant. Elon Musk here can't do anything with those NRC folks.
This technology is proven but all i see is talk talk talk... call ELON MUSK and get him on board and see your dream come true
But that doesn't involve destructive mining and badly treated workers. Also Elon has no liquid money and he needs to pay creditors (1.5 bil/yr) for his BRILLIANT idea to buy twitter. I'd rather that trash heap stay away then implode the entire industry
Winston, search for: US NRC accepts application for molten salt research reactor ...that's Nov 24th fresh news. As Rusty will say in his talk later, they're aiming for 2025 for their fissioning research reactor. Mark Nelson is aiming for 2025 fuelling commercial reactors with Thorium+HALEU fuel. As nice as it would be to have Elon Musk take a stab at this... he seems kinda busy, and perhaps leveraged?
There are several companies moving on this, fortunately.
@@gordonmcdowell historically, political leveraging against throrium technology has occurred since it's discovery.
Elon would turn it into vapor and smoke and 99x talk and a dude in a body suit pretending to be a robot “Our AI Robot system reduces operating costs and ensures security” and claiming its already powering every home in Dubai right now!
Pump the stock price! Pump it!! Not that the company can actually do anything with that money. Stocks are already sold, their in private hands and the company cant sell the stocks they hold or they risk “hostile take over” and a massive drop in share price. Stock market is a casino for the rich, IPO’s are where the money is raised - the stock is all in the companies hands and sold to investors as trading cards or collectable toys… but for rich people! Sure you are entitled to a “vote” and “dividend payments” but not all the time! Stocks have various privileges based on the companies corporate bylaws - which can be changed. The primary real values of stocks can suddenly dissapear with many companies not even offering dividends anymore!!!
Currently Elon musk has pissed away more money in 1 year than anyone else in the history of the world. Tesla stock is down more than 50% and none of his companies earn anything.
Pension funds, retirement, personal investments. Millions of working people investing for retirement have lost billions due to Elon Musks childish tantrums this year. His JOB was to be a cheer leader funnuling money into the capable hands of enginners to make cool stuff - instead hes a conman who lies to millions and then sells 9 billion dollars in stocks.
Now he can burn the companies and walk away with a bottomless bank account and 0 liability.
Hey @gordonmcdowell ! If you're free , if they don't mind , ask them to periodically share the status of their prototype (at least) reactor.
While I am a big proponent of Thorium, I can't believe that one of the goals is to produce power "to cheap to meter". I remember THAT line from back in the day and look where we are at with pricing. AND with the large unprotected amounts of HIGHLY RADIOACTIVE WASTE we are accumulating, I don't see ANY progress being made to safely reprocess or store this for at LEAST 2 if not more generations. We are still at the old "kick the can down the road" mentality with ALL INVOLVED KNOWING they will be dead and buried and able to escape the wrath of upset citizens (unless they are going to dig your bones up and toss THEM into a reactor.)
And for the second gentleman to claim WE can make most of the components here in the USA, I highly doubt it and the prices would be ASTRONOMICAL. We CANNOT build ANYTHING CHEAPLY here in the USA mainly due to greed. Foreign car manufacturers here can't even get QUALIFIED, SKILLED WORKERS here. Our days of being a leader in manufacturing are LONG GONE. Where are you going to find the workers with the skills necessary to safely run complex machinery? Machine shops can't even get someone to run a CNC machine that is basically automated. The dumbing down of America has taken it's toll.
Sorry, I'll get off my soap box now.
Hey @gordonmcdowell ! If you're free , if they don't mind , ask them to periodically share the status of their prototype (at least) reactor.
Copenhagen Atomics? They've got a TH-cam channel I'd check that for any lab tour they might have posted.