I’ve seen a few theories on how resonance could help in taking down Sukuna, I just hope that with JJk in its Final Arc we can see Nobara do something given how she isn’t confirmed dead
I think it would be a bit silly if she had any role at all in the Sukuna fight. She's just not anywhere near strong enough to be useful. I think the best we could get is seeing her still alive in a epilogue.
Dogshit....half of the people who read jjjk daily cause they like how the author handle death and not afraid of killing character....you people who wants her are just the minority
@@BrandonHeat243 Same. People have to heavily cope to believe that she would be able to even hit Sukuna, or that her CT would do any serious harm even if it hit. After missing for more than half of the series, it would be very cheesy to bring her back as someone who is needed to win against Sukuna when she got destroyed by even Haruta.
@@arpadszabo661its not about "cope." That overused term. Just that killing off certain characters may upset a good portion of viewers. It depends person to person, but characters can make a series. The same way if Sakura got excessive screen time in Naruto, that might risk turning away fans
I’ve been seeing a lot of people call her ability trash&all imma say is 2 out of the 3 first years can damage mahito while also knowing what the sparks of black feel like🤷🏾♂️
@@kairozuma See that’s the number 1 problem with Megumi’s move set . It’s always “he just summons Mahoraga lol” I’m talking about Megumi himself damaging mahito not his suicide/Kamikaze summoning doing the job for him🤣
Not that bad😅. At least she was viable throughout the series. Tien got dropped as soon as Z started. Tien had the do dan ray which is supposed to be stronger than the Kamehameha wave. All bad for Tien.
Nobara resonance is so incredible, it hits the soul and ignore the toughness of the body. Mahito got hit by blackflash multiple times and still kicking. If her physical stats were on par with just even Nanami, she would be fucking incredible. "You think misfortunes are a free pass to do anything?" So fucking love her
One choreography way to make Nobara's fate more understandable would have been to have her just barely make it down the stairs with just enough time to realize Yuji was there before Mahito touched her. If the timeframe had been very similar to how they portrayed Choso noticing Yuji when he jumped down the stairs, nobody would be dissatisfied
one thing I have noticed with new shonen like CSM and JJK is characters' deaths are treated like character development for just the MC and not the character who is actually dying..
What does that even mean. If a character dies their role and arc in the story is over. The only thing left with their character is how their death effects the characters who are still alive.
In CSM CSM manga spoilers; Aki and Power where quite literally getting character development upto or even after they died, like with Power. Akis brain was still getting jogged by the Gun Devil taking control, still leaving part of his brain alive for him to experence fight Denji while he was switching inbetween his memories of his brother confusing him with Denji... He had such a meaningful conlusion to his character, as he had finally started find joy in life after being stuck in the past, symbolized by him starting to play catch with his brother again. Same with Power, since she noticed how deveasted Denji was and even herself, since they both went on a binging streak, spending all of Akis money. Thes were both trying to feel something new, calling back to Makimas lesson to Denji. Power had her conclusion to her character arc of being a unknowing existentialist, learning to care for the things around having a non-physical value to her and her giving Denji a birthday cake (wich she managed to make suprisingly) to Denji to cheer him up with her first ever smile of appreciation/love. And after her death, having that moment with Denji in the garbage is symbolic
@@bennogb5069the cool thing is that Power can STILL comeback, she will just probably be in a different vessel. But it depends if the author will ship Denji with Asa
I mean, in the anime it was clear that she was taken by surprise with Mahito's attack. And Nanami didn't say you need to be grade 1 level, he said his level was the bare minimum. So, pretty well acknowledging he was in over his head and anyone who couldn't keep up with him was only going to die a meaningless death.
Honestly it’s not really about a character winning all their fights that make them interesting and loveable. Nobara is FAR more likeable and interesting because she has her own identity and motivations which isn’t even because Nobara herself is focused to be this way but most of the cast is written this way. The cast generally feel all like unique pieces that just fit together.
And if you look closely at our main characters, well, none of them has been winning at all in any sense that really matter to them. Gojo cannot really do much even being the strongest of the modern era. Lost his only BFF. Failed to protect the star plasma vessel. His students are either disfigured now or dead. Yuji failed to save a lot of people. He even failed to actually defeat and kill Mahito. Sukuna tricked him again. Megumi, well, his father is the father of the year. It just goes on for everyone on the side of humans. Sure they defeated some enemies but did they really win in areas that really matters? Gojo killed Toji but Toji already accomplished his objective. The same with Hanami. Mahito was absorbed but not before killing a lot of people and tormenting Yuji. At this point only the disaster curses, Sukuna and Kenjaku has been winning.
Yep! A lot of characters feel like their fleshed out enough to be the MC of their own story. Nobara is no different, and ended up being one of my favorite characters in the series (which was a pleasant surprise to see for a female lead!)
The thing is even if she comes back what can she even do. The only way she'll be able to actually do anything is if ahe gets a power up. Gojo is dead, Megumi's body was seemingly absorbed into Sukuna's heian form, Yuji's vengeful, traumatized, and is fighting Sukuna.And then Sukuna is back at his peak again and know's how Nobara's technique works
Well technically, Megumi doesn’t know how Nobara’s technique works. I don’t think he’s ever seen it once So TECHNICALLY Sukuna also doesn’t know about it But yea- not like it matters. Nobara has said it deals damage depending on how strong the opponent is so even if she used her technique on Sukuna’s finger it wouldn’t do much
@just4universe219 I don't actually think knowing what it is would meaningfully help him. Nobara's Technique can be used from any range iirc, so there's no reason why if she is back she wouldn't just be hammering on the finger over and over again in a secure bunker or some shit where Sukuna wouldn't be able to find or reach her. The distance would also presumably make it impossible to tell when it's going to hit as well, which would be another huge kick in the balls.
why is everyone acting like nobara wouldent have a massive power boost if she came back like didnt all the characters in the sukuna fight get massively buffed in the span of 2 months of training?
1:55 - Nanami would also be included based on ch 236. He was the one that Gojo heard out about his death before he commented about sorcerers not having regrets.
I wanted to point smth out that I'm not entirely sure abt, so correct me if I'm wrong. But if I am correct, I recall that it's not so much of Gege hating female characters, I just remember him saying he has a hard time writing them. (But I'm not familiar with all his quotes so he could've said he doesn't like them or smth) Imo, Gege has a FAAAR better grasp of female characters than most manga authors today. He's beyond his time when it comes to not over sexualizing them, and even if they have gruesome deaths, he always makes them fairly compelling, as Nobara, Riko, and Maki have their own motivations and actively pursue them. Gege made Nobara so compelling, for me at least, in just 4 arcs in the anime (I didn't start reading the manga til I had finished Season 1) that I felt sad about her death in Shibuya and have wanted her to come back ever since. Nobara is probably my favorite female character in all of anime.
Great point about the body blocking Nobara’s view, ig it was implied visually but I myself definitely was like why she didn’t fall to the ground last minute or SOMETHING to avoid the 1hit k.o. 🤦🏾♂️
I would love to see Nobara come back in the manga...However, with the way the manga is currently going bringing her back now is gonna feel very shoehorned in (even if done perfectly). Nobara’s death and the death of Yuki, genuinely had me annoyed at the fact that there was so much wasted potential. Not just for the characters but for the plot of jjk. While I understand thematically it fits to have characters “gone too soon”, it does make the deaths and characters feel half baked as a result. I think the female cast seemingly suffers the most from this simply because its a lot smaller when compared to the male cast leaving a lot less notable female characters.
It's a matter of weighing the good vs the bad. And Nobara coming back would realistically do a lot more good for the story (she's not actually dead, nor is she anywhere close to the only significant desth, so it's not like they'd be throwing away the consequences and damaging versamilitude).
I can imagine a callback to the mahito fight where yuji sees sukana get punctured by resonance and get a power up from that. I could also see Gege have nobara wake up at the end of the series to a new beginning which I would prefer less but idk
I feek like shes gonna come back with a save against Sukuna. I mean mahito considered her an actual threat and was angry at her for damaging him so it would be befitting is she does that to Sukuna as a sort of get back for Yuji and megumi
@@heroesismid8694 well the writer doesn't really care about any character in JJK aside from nanami who was his favorite character. he has said he has no emotional attachment to any of them and doesn't mind killing characters off if it benefits the story.
I'm so agreed with Nobara's backstory being left out if we about to rewrite the story. Cus it did make me sad but it just feels weird cus we experienced her with Yuji and Megumi, not with those two. And those characters that interacted with little Nobara will never ever comeback anyway. It's the same thing with Yuji's former school friends only having a one time thing (that girl who have a crush on Yuji, and his 2 friends at episode 1 season 1). I get why Gege killed Nanami, but Nobara? Heck no. I think Gege just loves to kill characters cus he wants to write new ones, and didn't want to have the burden to develop the current ones, so he just kills them, and it's sad that it is more apparent with the female cast. I hope, and I really hope she will come back one day like Gojo did in Hidden Inventory arc.
Ive always said shes on a coma or catatonic since shibuya, maybe thats why when the guy with the wound freeze ct tells yuji, his reaction was not as massive as if she had died
I feel that the story punishing her for doing something reckless is not disrespectful but what happens in reality. Sure, maybe people don’t like that in their fiction, but sometimes people bite off more than they can chew. Itadori constantly does this and dies because of it. He just doesn’t stay dead due to the relationship he has with the strongest curse to ever exist. Even then, there is still a consequence to that happening-the most recent one being Sakuna turning a large part of the city into a glass floor. The show is, if anything, not about pushing your limits despite the odds but recognizing them.
I personally don't like this because her personality fits what is needed to get stronger. Out of the 3 she is the most selfish only caring for the people she chooses to have in her life, she ddin't run away which has consistently shown to how you should ideally approach jujutsu. Both Jogo and Yuki lose so terribly because the forer doesn't try opening his domain (He'd still lose sure, but Sukuna himself gave this advice) and Yuki went with Tengen's plan not confident of beating Kenjaku which got her killed,
I actually think that her personality and way of doing things almost perfectly fits the themes of the story HOWEVER (and I only thought of this just now) I think the reason why she was punished is because she needs to learn a lesson as to not always be sacrificing her own body to do things, and that she needs to find ways of winning without giving up parts of herself For example, she “knew” Mahito couldn’t one shot her but even with that knowledge she shouldn’t just be letting him slap her
i think you're a bit confused she didnt let him slap her in the manga he tricked her using the double as a decoy for his real body and in the anime something similar happened but they made it look more like he speed blitzed her also theres a difference between her and megumi she wasnt giving up parts of herself to win in her fight against eso and kechizu she was already going to die from poison so why should she care about a few nails in her arm this kind of thinking is diffferent from say megumi who summons mahoraga cause its a guaranteed win knowing its also a guaranteed death
Mahito is as fast as Yuji, while Nobara can't even hold a finger to that. In no world Nobara would be able to dodge that slap. She was even blindspotted.
@@winstonsgmx Mahito is slightly slower than Yuji and Nobara while not as fast as Yuji is able to keep up with him. Considering they have fought side by side keeping up one another’s moves and plans and combos. Yuji>Mahito>Nobara with the gaps not being that extreme between all of them Also she wasn’t blindspotted to the fact that Mahito was attacking her, she just didn’t know that that specific attack was gonna one shot her I mean she was already fighting Mahito to begin with so there’s no real debate that she can’t react to his attacks
@@winstonsgmx mahitos speed doesnt compare to yujis at least not before he hits blackflash i mean he knows he loses a fair 1v1 against yuji which is why he plays the psychological games notice every face to face confrontation they have is just mahito getting his ass whooped then throwing humans at yuji to get a hit in
Another main female side character that got the short end of the stick, shocker. I swear shounen manga/anime are always doing their female characters dirty. Whether, its their subpar fighting ability or them getting screw over via shipping. I'm just glad I wasn't all that interested with Nobara's character as a whole. This is why I tread carefully whenever a female character catches my interest.
@@prophetofwatersheep8100Really? It did? Megumi wasn't all that bad with fighting... Well to the level of what I was thinking and he wasn't screwed over because of shipping.
Honestly we are past the point of not confirming her death. If it is the end for Nobara there was no reason to not confirm it. If it was supposed to be a false hope thing to further drive Yuji into despair...then we are past that point too. At this point its just a matter of Gege looking like he knows what he is doing, its fine to have a show where characters die but we have so many confirmed...absolutely not ambiguous deaths that there is no point for the uncertainty surrounding Nobara if its a simple case of her being dead
I’ve said it many times and I’ll say it again,no woman in this manga will ever get powerful moments or development(Unless she is an excuse to bring back Toji,Gege can make an exception for that). Shibuya Nobara was the first hint but I still kept hope that other female characters would get to shine,but the way Gege treated Yuki dried out every drop of hope I had. Now I expect all of them to be useless,which is just sad…but at least I’ll be surprised if they do anything half decent.
Idk what you’re on about Kenjaku is one of the main villains and she’s Yujis mom Gege who is probably a woman- Has literally made a sexist character specifically for Maki to stomp, TWICE And Toji’s entire motivation for being an assassin was because his wife died Also Nobara already got two crazy scenes What has Shadow Boy got? Also 2, summoning his sacred treasure and his half unfinished domain You’re just cherry picking for no reason
I don't like that weird ass Toji caveat yall have made up to completely disregard all of Maki's character development. It's genuinely more misogynist than anything Gege has ever written. Like you can acknowledge Gege failed Nobara and some of the other characters without searching for a way to invalidate Maki.
@@gabrielsalahi3656 fine since you think I’m exaggerating let’s take most of the females characters and evaluate them: Nobara: Irrelevant Miwa: Useless Momo: who? Mai: plot device for Toji 2.0 Utahime: lol Mei Mei: lncest p3do Uro: got potential but was just slapped to the side so both men could have their real fight Yuki: landed a single blow on her first fight and died like a piece of turd,the woman who had many plot threads tied to her died only to powerscale Kenjaku,actually pathetic. I don’t care that Kenjaku is the main villain,I always knew he was the third strongest in the series but killing her there is a waste. And the way it was executed was even more pathetic,girl summoned the strongest object in the universe and it did NOTHING because mister brain just happen to have the one ability in the universe who could save him. Even if Gege really is a woman,it doesn’t remove the fact that her female cast sucks 4ss And guess who got that development? Of course it would be Toji 2.0! Also btw about megumi,he had many great moments towards the series,literally has one of the most busted techniques and was VERY relevant to the plot. You cannot say this to any of the females above.
@@PlanetDiablo16967 I honestly think I wouldn’t feel like that if the rest of the female cast was at least decent. I do recognize that she has great development,but honestly also feels like she’s just a way to keep Toji relevant.
Lol can you pause for 5secs. After saying manga spoiler? Granted I caught it in time and do appreciate you saying manga spoiler. I had my phone in hand and was able to skip forward before hearing anything. Again I appreciate the warnings, it keeps me able to watch guys like you and Swag!
You cant compare the female characte deaths to the male characters since 2 of them were on suicidal missions to begin with and the others were already half dead or dying the female characters just straight up got diffed for no real reason
Maybe I’m thinking too deep but I feel like nobara is the example of the average sorcerers life. They progress and get stronger and although they have more room to grow their starting point and speed of growth won’t keep up with someone who has a body engineered to be super human and a person who mentally holds themselves back while having a technique on gojos level. It’s wack she was used as the example but I think she was punished because despite doing everything right that was not her place. If she ran she’d still be alive. Growing via experience is the fastest way to grow but it’s also dangerous. Yuji and megumi get done in more drawn out ways because they have to. Sukuna’s plan required way more, she was never apart of any big plan.
I’m just patiently waiting for the day I hear “resonance” and she pops up to save the day out of nowhere… please gege make this happen and I’ll forgive you for killing 3 of my 5 favorite characters… megumi wishes he was dead
I’ve given up holding out for her. A lot of people are really still saying she could come back even tho it’s obvious she’s gone. Gege really handled it horribly imo and if she does comeback that’s just bs writing. To just sideline her for a majority of the series only to comeback near the end just sidestepping her development and screen time.
Well it’s not obvious that she’s gone Gege PURPOSELY left hints that she’s probably alive. First one is that her death isn’t confirmed, just assumed Even one of the medics wasn’t 100% sure on if she’s alive or dead but used their power to stop any possibility damage from happening (aka if she was alive there’s zero way for her to die, and should make a recovery) But I mean yea- side lining one of the main three is a little ass and is only worse when we know the ending is coming close. Everyone is jumping Sukuna and Kenjaku is….something right now
no gege just really fucked up at this point. if gege dosent bring her back it would be bad writing after purposely keeping her death ambiguous for years on end just to finnnaly decide 2 chapters before the end of the series yeah il just slide in a random statement finally confirming nobaras death. if he does bring her back its gonna feel like a complete ass pull after pushing her out of the story for this long just to bring her back when its conveniant for the cast. no matter what he doe its gonna be bad writting and its honestly absolutely geges fualt for sccrewing up her death so badly.
@@GensolinkWhich horribly bad writing writing. You absolutely DO NOT toy with your audience's trust by jerking them around for no reason. It's simply a matter of set up and pay offs. You don't set something up for the audience to get invested in, leave them hanging for over half the story, and then never pay it off.
@@DLxxx idk if it's mistranslation or something but it felt much more obvious in the french sub that Nobara bit the dust. overall rewatching the scenes i think only yuji was supposed to not know but the way gege went about it admittedly isnt the best
In defense of Nobara-> -Hostage situation. -She ran out of ammo. -As you said, caught Nobara off guard. Edit-> The brothers are special grade curses, they are curse wombs and were basically special grade objects that could not be destroyed until Mahito came in. Low special grades equal a grade 1 sorcerer as shown and stated by Ijichi. Edit again- Yuji has grade 1 level reinforcement, Megumi has a domain, and Nobara's curse technique is broken. You get struck by Nobara once and just die if you do not have rct.
Also argubley megumi lost just as many fights nobara in season 1 sure instead of bad luck he just fought significantly stronger enemies but to say nobaru was sidelined I feel is a little unfair for everytime she lost she got a cool moment right before or after
quicker summery at the end i got to be the one to put this out there she really didn't deserve that much better if at all because this is something that is constantly echo'd through out both yuji's and megumi's devolopment which is mindset matters and unless she was gonna be a shoko (not on the battle field much) than it was bound to happen while going up against special grades and that fact was during that fight against eso and kechizu even then we saw that she wasn't up to par with yuji as we him on a few occasions saving her and while normaly that wouldn't be an issue the only way she had improved going into jujutsu professionally was hitting a black flash(btw thats what causes them to gain a better understanding) other than that her efforts to grow were relatively little and to be honest getting stronger wasn't a main drive in her life like yuji and megumi so of course she would start to lag behind and with megumi getting a domain and improving the way he used his technique and yuji just in general honing down on the basics and both having a big will to get stronger and despite that they both almost died more than once during this. so to summarize she was weaker she had a bad mindset for a frontlines sorcer and was fighting a special grade
Still to this day I believe she's still alive and kicking cause until Gege blatantly states she's gone or otherwise shown or something then ain't believing it also we in the final part so come on show my girl off here at the end Gege plz.
I do think she needed to do more agenst haruta but most of her other loses were not her direct weakness just bad luck sure its the authors choice to give her bad luck but each of these loses come after a bad ase moment sure yes she could and probably should have been treated better by the story especially by the standerds of importance of the other 2 leads but if her role was to be a shocking death she did it pretty well without feeling fridged but i do hope she comes back she has constantly been a shining hope for yuji and team up very well so even a small moment vs sukuna as just a reminder for yuji that he can still do it and not all is lost would be great
But.. SHE DID feel fridged tho? No, in fact she absolutely was, by definition. A big part of the issue with her death is how it did _nothing_ for the character, and cut off her story for the sake of making the lead breakdown momentarily. In other words, she was killed unnaturally, for no other reason than pure shock factor and angst for the lead character. That's the textbook definition of fridging, isn't it?
Nobara is LITERALLY the only character death that isnt 100% confirmed if u think gege had todos friend use that weird cursed technique to slow down her death but stated that it didnt mean shed survive just for her to die anyway yr buggin, shes gonna be the first of the trio to learn reverse cursed technique due to one being one of the very few students to be able to hit a black flash, deepening her understanding of cursed energy and 2 due to the nature of her cursed technique and natural understanding of the soul, plus right bfr she dies to mahito she states she wants to remember that feeling and feel the core of cursed energy, similar to the babble gojo was speewing right after he brought himself back from the brink of death, not only that but in gojos death scene he revisits all the ppl who died bfr him in his jujutsu career even fuckin amanai but nobora his precious student was not present, and my last and final piece of nobara copium, we see in a room when everyone is waiting for angel to bust gojo out of the prison realm, that there is a big box right behind shoko that is nvr explained nor addressed but its sitting dead center of the room, im not sayin shes in there, but its jus strange that its there, with all these details in mind im certain that shes alive and just in recovery
Hmmm nah. She’s dead. She had an entire flashback. And when mahito hit her he stated that it took more than one touch to kill nanami so then he wanted to see about Nobara. And as we seen, her understanding of the soul was weaker then his. So I think she’s dead
@swixhayes3877 funny u mention that since he didn't actually kill her instantly like he hypothesized, nobara was alive when todo and his friend pulls up to keep her alive using his cursed technique, and specifies that her survival isn't 0 meaning there's a chance she could make it, we also kw that near death experiences deepen ones understanding of cursed energy which is how gojo learned reverse cursed technique in the first place, if nothing else gege has plans for her in the future, if he didn't he woulda just confirmed her dead the 3 times it was addressed
@@swixhayes3877 she didt have a flashback, the entire flashback wasent even nobaras, it was her random ass freind having a flashback of nobara at that exact moment.
2:06 But all of those male characters at least had time to shine and had many victories and relavance to the plot. All of the female characters either die easily without accomplishing much or are super weak and have zero relevance. The only exception being Angel and sort of Maki, she’s being set up for greatness but really hasn’t done much at all. I guess Urame is pretty impressive but we don’t know if they are even male of female. I love your channel, Six but I don’t know why you feel the need to defend obvious sexism.
@@ling8956 sakura treatment in what aspect lmao? sakura was never in a similar death/limbo situation. i don't get the comparisons, their characters and their fates are not even remotely similar. y'all just love to compare every single female character in shonen to sakura for some odd reason. idk if she will come back or not but her technique is still useful since it deals soul damage.
I'm not gonna lie, Nobara became one of my favorite characters after season 1, which surprised the heck outta me. Her fight with Yuji against the special grade curses was honestly THE moment I really saw the true potential for more technical fights in this series' power system. To know now that it was her only true shining moment in the series, and her death wasn't even given the weught it deserves (not even a mention from Gojo), feels (ironically) like an _actual_ slap to the face. It has to be the worst mishandling of a character I've seen in Shonen in a very long time, which sucks because she was a refreshingly compelling female lead 😣
That would low-key be so disrespectful for the character though. Someone that prominent and important in Yuji's life should've gotten a proper funeral sequence, IF she's truly dead.
She could be utilized more though but I still like her as a character A shouen main cast , wants to be strong , wants to be pretty , loves herself Has zero interest in boys at all ? Not even the hands on ones ? That is so rare to see . Very sadly z think about how many Naruto female characters are hopeless romantics
I think Gege had to get rid of her in his mind because should would’ve actively and safely countered Sukuna in the most recent of chapters. Megumi got his body stolen? SR the extra finger, Gojo just lost? SR Ofc Gojo would have to give her the extra finger but I think ya get it
It’s been 2 years how Gege gonna squeeze in nobara with wats going on. Then what is a power up for her. It gotta be a crazy glow up. Her ct isn’t op stats not op. It would have to be a chessy power up. I think that’s why Maki and Yuki filled in.
Six I’m curious if I am over reading this. Chapter 205 I believe. Special grade “Able to single handedly overthrow a country” Doesn’t this mean all special grades are ‘Country level threats’
Hobart kinda got the Sakura treatment, sclearly weaker than her teammates and not as important to the story. Which suck cause season 1 gave me hope that this show would treat its female character better then most shounen anime
After reading this in the manga i was pretty floored. I thought she was a super cool character that had a lot of potential. The absence of any sort of a romance trope like there was in Naruto with Sakura or in MHA with Uruaka was a also a strong point for Nobora. However, her death came quick and unpredictable which makes it feel more authentic in a world like JJK which is riddled with brutality and uncertainty.
@@iacorianus oh ok. I mean nothing is confirmed. People are just iffy abt it in the community. Some people think she is and some are holding out hope that she’s not. But one thing I will say if you do start reading is the next arc is so valid. I can’t wait for them to animate that one
@@iacorianus it's not confirmed yet so she could be or couldn't be the manga literally still hasn't cleared it up since it happened like 3 years ago lmao
In the end Nobara is a typical female lead who is weaker then her male counterparts, routinely gets captured or saved in battle and is not relevant to the overall plot/themes. The only thing that made her better than her peers is that she has an assertive personality and goals outside of the male characters. Nobara should have won at least 1 solo fight before Shibuya and in Shibuya she should have won against Haruto. Nobara should actually put up a fight and maybe win or severely injure Mahito’s clone. However she still gets taken out, she isn’t not dead but is majorly disabled in one eye and has to retrain to compensate and makes a surprise return being even stronger.
It is true that everybody suffers a horrible fate but I do think it's pretty unbalanced when most of the relevant female cast is killed off and now there's just Maki and Mei Mei (barely being relevant), while you have a much larger cast of male characters that are still relevant. I guess by shonen standards this is expected but idk it's somewhat disappointing given how the series presented itself earlier on.
To me, Nobara is alive. When Gojo died, he was in a sort of lobby with all the deceased sorcerers that were somehow related to him, but there was not Nobara there, his student. SO that might have been a fat oversight from Gege or foreshadowing she's alive.
@@unanimouslyhated Not sold. Haibara was there and in the manga and anime he is portrayed as Nanami's best friend and didn't seem particulary close to Gojo. Hidden inventory characters you say...? Principal Yaga was there too and he had less than few panels in that arc. Besides EVERY sorcerer who has been confirmed dead was there, seems really arbitrary to leave Nobara out. Hence I say Gege forgot about her, or is foreshadowing she's alive.
@@gustavmetalI can’t really explain why someone like Haibara would be there but I still feel that them all being present during the Hidden Inv arc is relevant because that would explain why they are all represented as themselves of that time period. It would’ve been more impactful for Gojo to see Geto the age he was when he killed him. The fact Gege drew them as they looked in 2006 means that was the theme.
I don't care if I sound resentful, but I ALSO deserved better. But Motomu Toriama is a idiot, so the only thing fair about life is just how unfair it is.
I just feel like her death here was unnecessary, and she didn’t do enough in the series, don’t hype her up as one of the main 3 basically the main girl of the series just to get killed in season 2. It’s like killing Sakura in the chunin exams
She got FRIDGED. That’s not good writing. It’s cliche and unnecessary. Now the series only has 1 good female character left, Maki. A true Shonen. Naruto would be proud.
@@sixfromtokyo Yeah but her upper limit is Toji. A character who was outclassed by Gojo. The 2 actual main characters in the show Yuji and Megumi are most likely going to need to Surpass Gojo to beat Sukuna and end the series. That means that Maki is basically guaranteed to be weaker than the men in the series by a considerable amount.
So?......that think you are dim as unnecessary is the reason me and many other are interested at jjk you people are just the loud minority...get you "how can female be shown weaker than men" other of anime you people have already done that with Disney and where that lied than too
What do you mean by disrespect....yuji and magumi already special grade cause magumi had the most broken ability in the series and he was train by gojo from childhood where as yuji ( do i even need to say).....but nobura she nothing special she just start training jujutsu so why should she get any better treatment than the other people like her( cause he is the main trio f off)
Because Gege himself made it ambiguous by adding in a character saying that she may or may not live and then we just never got confimation on her fate, it's not like people randomly came up with the idea of her surviving out of thin air, it was literally written into the story as a possiblity. Also her face injury is hardly crazy to come back from, we've seen characters take way worse damage and survive
Dont "believe" she is alive necessarily. They just hope she is, since many said they stopped watching JJK all together. Its like Power Rangers changing the cast, and a bunch of people stopped watching
You saw what happened to Nanami when Mahito touched him right? His torso exploded, if something like that happened to Nobara then I would definitely believe she's a goner but just her face got affected and that I think was very little to count her as dead dead.
@just4universe219 Thank you, lol. Nanami was walking around with half his body charred and still fighting before Mahito found him. The others in his group were in even worse condition. There's plenty of reason to think Nobara could or should have come back.
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13:51 theory was spot on dawg
I’ve seen a few theories on how resonance could help in taking down Sukuna, I just hope that with JJk in its Final Arc we can see Nobara do something given how she isn’t confirmed dead
I think it would be a bit silly if she had any role at all in the Sukuna fight. She's just not anywhere near strong enough to be useful. I think the best we could get is seeing her still alive in a epilogue.
Dogshit....half of the people who read jjjk daily cause they like how the author handle death and not afraid of killing character....you people who wants her are just the minority
@@BrandonHeat243gege said he'd bring Nobara back if he feels like she has a place in the current flow of Jjk
@@BrandonHeat243 Same. People have to heavily cope to believe that she would be able to even hit Sukuna, or that her CT would do any serious harm even if it hit. After missing for more than half of the series, it would be very cheesy to bring her back as someone who is needed to win against Sukuna when she got destroyed by even Haruta.
@@arpadszabo661its not about "cope." That overused term. Just that killing off certain characters may upset a good portion of viewers. It depends person to person, but characters can make a series.
The same way if Sakura got excessive screen time in Naruto, that might risk turning away fans
I’ve been seeing a lot of people call her ability trash&all imma say is 2 out of the 3 first years can damage mahito while also knowing what the sparks of black feel like🤷🏾♂️
Anybody calling her technique trash is delusional, her technique is really good it just has limitations you need to work around
Megumi can hit mahito.. mahoraga blade of extermination
@@kairozuma See that’s the number 1 problem with Megumi’s move set . It’s always “he just summons Mahoraga lol” I’m talking about Megumi himself damaging mahito not his suicide/Kamikaze summoning doing the job for him🤣
@@Dbonesburneraccount Megumi recognize mahito as a threat and now uses kamikaze
@@kairozuma take away Mahoraga what does Megumi have left other than his incomplete Domain?
Nobara in Shibuya got treated even worse than Tien in the Tournament of Power arc
Bruh I forgot he existed
But we are used to do that with Tien. Nobara, we wanted to like her. We wanted to watch her get stronger.
Not that bad😅. At least she was viable throughout the series. Tien got dropped as soon as Z started. Tien had the do dan ray which is supposed to be stronger than the Kamehameha wave. All bad for Tien.
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He’s a fodder human. He shouldn’t have even been therr
Nobara resonance is so incredible, it hits the soul and ignore the toughness of the body. Mahito got hit by blackflash multiple times and still kicking. If her physical stats were on par with just even Nanami, she would be fucking incredible.
"You think misfortunes are a free pass to do anything?"
So fucking love her
One choreography way to make Nobara's fate more understandable would have been to have her just barely make it down the stairs with just enough time to realize Yuji was there before Mahito touched her.
If the timeframe had been very similar to how they portrayed Choso noticing Yuji when he jumped down the stairs, nobody would be dissatisfied
one thing I have noticed with new shonen like CSM and JJK is characters' deaths are treated like character development for just the MC and not the character who is actually dying..
yea I agree, it's just weird
@@Dell-ol6hbi feel as though that's more a case of jjk then chainsaw man like yeah some die for that but there's still others
What does that even mean. If a character dies their role and arc in the story is over. The only thing left with their character is how their death effects the characters who are still alive.
In CSM
CSM manga spoilers;
Aki and Power where quite literally getting character development upto or even after they died, like with Power.
Akis brain was still getting jogged by the Gun Devil taking control, still leaving part of his brain alive for him to experence fight Denji while he was switching inbetween his memories of his brother confusing him with Denji...
He had such a meaningful conlusion to his character, as he had finally started find joy in life after being stuck in the past, symbolized by him starting to play catch with his brother again.
Same with Power, since she noticed how deveasted Denji was and even herself, since they both went on a binging streak, spending all of Akis money.
Thes were both trying to feel something new, calling back to Makimas lesson to Denji.
Power had her conclusion to her character arc of being a unknowing existentialist, learning to care for the things around having a non-physical value to her and her giving Denji a birthday cake (wich she managed to make suprisingly) to Denji to cheer him up with her first ever smile of appreciation/love.
And after her death, having that moment with Denji in the garbage is symbolic
@@bennogb5069the cool thing is that Power can STILL comeback, she will just probably be in a different vessel. But it depends if the author will ship Denji with Asa
I mean, in the anime it was clear that she was taken by surprise with Mahito's attack. And Nanami didn't say you need to be grade 1 level, he said his level was the bare minimum. So, pretty well acknowledging he was in over his head and anyone who couldn't keep up with him was only going to die a meaningless death.
Honestly it’s not really about a character winning all their fights that make them interesting and loveable. Nobara is FAR more likeable and interesting because she has her own identity and motivations which isn’t even because Nobara herself is focused to be this way but most of the cast is written this way. The cast generally feel all like unique pieces that just fit together.
Yes
And if you look closely at our main characters, well, none of them has been winning at all in any sense that really matter to them.
Gojo cannot really do much even being the strongest of the modern era. Lost his only BFF. Failed to protect the star plasma vessel. His students are either disfigured now or dead.
Yuji failed to save a lot of people. He even failed to actually defeat and kill Mahito. Sukuna tricked him again.
Megumi, well, his father is the father of the year.
It just goes on for everyone on the side of humans. Sure they defeated some enemies but did they really win in areas that really matters? Gojo killed Toji but Toji already accomplished his objective. The same with Hanami. Mahito was absorbed but not before killing a lot of people and tormenting Yuji.
At this point only the disaster curses, Sukuna and Kenjaku has been winning.
Yep! A lot of characters feel like their fleshed out enough to be the MC of their own story. Nobara is no different, and ended up being one of my favorite characters in the series (which was a pleasant surprise to see for a female lead!)
@@angrymeowngiright. Shit is getting boring now. The only one who's caught a dumb in a long ass time was Yuta.
Nobara will return one day!!!
Speak it to existence king!
It's been Six Months... STILL HOPING! ❤😢
The thing is even if she comes back what can she even do. The only way she'll be able to actually do anything is if ahe gets a power up. Gojo is dead, Megumi's body was seemingly absorbed into Sukuna's heian form, Yuji's vengeful, traumatized, and is fighting Sukuna.And then Sukuna is back at his peak again and know's how Nobara's technique works
Well technically, Megumi doesn’t know how Nobara’s technique works. I don’t think he’s ever seen it once
So TECHNICALLY Sukuna also doesn’t know about it
But yea- not like it matters. Nobara has said it deals damage depending on how strong the opponent is so even if she used her technique on Sukuna’s finger it wouldn’t do much
@just4universe219 I don't actually think knowing what it is would meaningfully help him. Nobara's Technique can be used from any range iirc, so there's no reason why if she is back she wouldn't just be hammering on the finger over and over again in a secure bunker or some shit where Sukuna wouldn't be able to find or reach her. The distance would also presumably make it impossible to tell when it's going to hit as well, which would be another huge kick in the balls.
@just4universe219 oh yea……he was there with Yuji….idk how I forgot that
why is everyone acting like nobara wouldent have a massive power boost if she came back like didnt all the characters in the sukuna fight get massively buffed in the span of 2 months of training?
Well one thing im happy about is that she didn't become a love interest for Yuji like how many shounen anime female cast are
yes at the very least that didn't happen
@@Dell-ol6hbthat probably would of kept her alive. Women in shonen manga are not treated particular well. Not even in Naruto.
To be a love interest never was a problem . It is just it would make no sense for Yuji and Nobara
1:55 - Nanami would also be included based on ch 236. He was the one that Gojo heard out about his death before he commented about sorcerers not having regrets.
I wanted to point smth out that I'm not entirely sure abt, so correct me if I'm wrong. But if I am correct, I recall that it's not so much of Gege hating female characters, I just remember him saying he has a hard time writing them. (But I'm not familiar with all his quotes so he could've said he doesn't like them or smth) Imo, Gege has a FAAAR better grasp of female characters than most manga authors today. He's beyond his time when it comes to not over sexualizing them, and even if they have gruesome deaths, he always makes them fairly compelling, as Nobara, Riko, and Maki have their own motivations and actively pursue them. Gege made Nobara so compelling, for me at least, in just 4 arcs in the anime (I didn't start reading the manga til I had finished Season 1) that I felt sad about her death in Shibuya and have wanted her to come back ever since. Nobara is probably my favorite female character in all of anime.
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Great point about the body blocking Nobara’s view, ig it was implied visually but I myself definitely was like why she didn’t fall to the ground last minute or SOMETHING to avoid the 1hit k.o. 🤦🏾♂️
I would love to see Nobara come back in the manga...However, with the way the manga is currently going bringing her back now is gonna feel very shoehorned in (even if done perfectly). Nobara’s death and the death of Yuki, genuinely had me annoyed at the fact that there was so much wasted potential. Not just for the characters but for the plot of jjk.
While I understand thematically it fits to have characters “gone too soon”, it does make the deaths and characters feel half baked as a result. I think the female cast seemingly suffers the most from this simply because its a lot smaller when compared to the male cast leaving a lot less notable female characters.
It's a matter of weighing the good vs the bad. And Nobara coming back would realistically do a lot more good for the story (she's not actually dead, nor is she anywhere close to the only significant desth, so it's not like they'd be throwing away the consequences and damaging versamilitude).
Bro this vid is years over due, i subbed to six back when Kugisaki was his profile pic 😂, our girl deff deserved better. Great vid.
I can imagine a callback to the mahito fight where yuji sees sukana get punctured by resonance and get a power up from that. I could also see Gege have nobara wake up at the end of the series to a new beginning which I would prefer less but idk
Frfr cause out of the Trio, Megumi was the only one without a black flash prior to Shibuya. She was gainin momentum
I feek like shes gonna come back with a save against Sukuna. I mean mahito considered her an actual threat and was angry at her for damaging him so it would be befitting is she does that to Sukuna as a sort of get back for Yuji and megumi
It’s very hard to face the awful things done to her
Writer did not care about her. Fans did.
You… smart bastard
@@heroesismid8694 well the writer doesn't really care about any character in JJK aside from nanami who was his favorite character. he has said he has no emotional attachment to any of them and doesn't mind killing characters off if it benefits the story.
@@ugh5281 in what way did killing naobito off benefit the story?
please shut up...
I'm so agreed with Nobara's backstory being left out if we about to rewrite the story. Cus it did make me sad but it just feels weird cus we experienced her with Yuji and Megumi, not with those two. And those characters that interacted with little Nobara will never ever comeback anyway. It's the same thing with Yuji's former school friends only having a one time thing (that girl who have a crush on Yuji, and his 2 friends at episode 1 season 1). I get why Gege killed Nanami, but Nobara? Heck no. I think Gege just loves to kill characters cus he wants to write new ones, and didn't want to have the burden to develop the current ones, so he just kills them, and it's sad that it is more apparent with the female cast. I hope, and I really hope she will come back one day like Gojo did in Hidden Inventory arc.
Ive always said shes on a coma or catatonic since shibuya, maybe thats why when the guy with the wound freeze ct tells yuji, his reaction was not as massive as if she had died
I feel that the story punishing her for doing something reckless is not disrespectful but what happens in reality. Sure, maybe people don’t like that in their fiction, but sometimes people bite off more than they can chew. Itadori constantly does this and dies because of it. He just doesn’t stay dead due to the relationship he has with the strongest curse to ever exist. Even then, there is still a consequence to that happening-the most recent one being Sakuna turning a large part of the city into a glass floor. The show is, if anything, not about pushing your limits despite the odds but recognizing them.
Nah, there's absolutely a double standard in play. Maki and Megumi did the same thing and didn't die (even though Maki had her head fried).
I personally don't like this because her personality fits what is needed to get stronger. Out of the 3 she is the most selfish only caring for the people she chooses to have in her life, she ddin't run away which has consistently shown to how you should ideally approach jujutsu. Both Jogo and Yuki lose so terribly because the forer doesn't try opening his domain (He'd still lose sure, but Sukuna himself gave this advice) and Yuki went with Tengen's plan not confident of beating Kenjaku which got her killed,
I actually think that her personality and way of doing things almost perfectly fits the themes of the story
HOWEVER (and I only thought of this just now) I think the reason why she was punished is because she needs to learn a lesson as to not always be sacrificing her own body to do things, and that she needs to find ways of winning without giving up parts of herself
For example, she “knew” Mahito couldn’t one shot her but even with that knowledge she shouldn’t just be letting him slap her
i think you're a bit confused she didnt let him slap her in the manga he tricked her using the double as a decoy for his real body and in the anime something similar happened but they made it look more like he speed blitzed her also theres a difference between her and megumi she wasnt giving up parts of herself to win in her fight against eso and kechizu she was already going to die from poison so why should she care about a few nails in her arm this kind of thinking is diffferent from say megumi who summons mahoraga cause its a guaranteed win knowing its also a guaranteed death
Mahito is as fast as Yuji, while Nobara can't even hold a finger to that. In no world Nobara would be able to dodge that slap. She was even blindspotted.
@@winstonsgmx Mahito is slightly slower than Yuji and Nobara while not as fast as Yuji is able to keep up with him. Considering they have fought side by side keeping up one another’s moves and plans and combos. Yuji>Mahito>Nobara with the gaps not being that extreme between all of them
Also she wasn’t blindspotted to the fact that Mahito was attacking her, she just didn’t know that that specific attack was gonna one shot her
I mean she was already fighting Mahito to begin with so there’s no real debate that she can’t react to his attacks
@@winstonsgmx mahitos speed doesnt compare to yujis at least not before he hits blackflash i mean he knows he loses a fair 1v1 against yuji which is why he plays the psychological games notice every face to face confrontation they have is just mahito getting his ass whooped then throwing humans at yuji to get a hit in
Think she learned?
Another main female side character that got the short end of the stick, shocker. I swear shounen manga/anime are always doing their female characters dirty. Whether, its their subpar fighting ability or them getting screw over via shipping. I'm just glad I wasn't all that interested with Nobara's character as a whole. This is why I tread carefully whenever a female character catches my interest.
Lol same thing happened to megumi
@@prophetofwatersheep8100Really? It did? Megumi wasn't all that bad with fighting... Well to the level of what I was thinking and he wasn't screwed over because of shipping.
Honestly we are past the point of not confirming her death. If it is the end for Nobara there was no reason to not confirm it. If it was supposed to be a false hope thing to further drive Yuji into despair...then we are past that point too. At this point its just a matter of Gege looking like he knows what he is doing, its fine to have a show where characters die but we have so many confirmed...absolutely not ambiguous deaths that there is no point for the uncertainty surrounding Nobara if its a simple case of her being dead
I’ve said it many times and I’ll say it again,no woman in this manga will ever get powerful moments or development(Unless she is an excuse to bring back Toji,Gege can make an exception for that). Shibuya Nobara was the first hint but I still kept hope that other female characters would get to shine,but the way Gege treated Yuki dried out every drop of hope I had. Now I expect all of them to be useless,which is just sad…but at least I’ll be surprised if they do anything half decent.
Idk what you’re on about
Kenjaku is one of the main villains and she’s Yujis mom
Gege who is probably a woman-
Has literally made a sexist character specifically for Maki to stomp, TWICE
And Toji’s entire motivation for being an assassin was because his wife died
Also Nobara already got two crazy scenes
What has Shadow Boy got? Also 2, summoning his sacred treasure and his half unfinished domain
You’re just cherry picking for no reason
I don't like that weird ass Toji caveat yall have made up to completely disregard all of Maki's character development. It's genuinely more misogynist than anything Gege has ever written. Like you can acknowledge Gege failed Nobara and some of the other characters without searching for a way to invalidate Maki.
@@gabrielsalahi3656 fine since you think I’m exaggerating let’s take most of the females characters and evaluate them:
Nobara: Irrelevant
Miwa: Useless
Momo: who?
Mai: plot device for Toji 2.0
Utahime: lol
Mei Mei: lncest p3do
Uro: got potential but was just slapped to the side so both men could have their real fight
Yuki: landed a single blow on her first fight and died like a piece of turd,the woman who had many plot threads tied to her died only to powerscale Kenjaku,actually pathetic. I don’t care that Kenjaku is the main villain,I always knew he was the third strongest in the series but killing her there is a waste. And the way it was executed was even more pathetic,girl summoned the strongest object in the universe and it did NOTHING because mister brain just happen to have the one ability in the universe who could save him.
Even if Gege really is a woman,it doesn’t remove the fact that her female cast sucks 4ss
And guess who got that development? Of course it would be Toji 2.0!
Also btw about megumi,he had many great moments towards the series,literally has one of the most busted techniques and was VERY relevant to the plot. You cannot say this to any of the females above.
@@PlanetDiablo16967 I honestly think I wouldn’t feel like that if the rest of the female cast was at least decent. I do recognize that she has great development,but honestly also feels like she’s just a way to keep Toji relevant.
he also fucked over Angel too lmao
Lol can you pause for 5secs. After saying manga spoiler? Granted I caught it in time and do appreciate you saying manga spoiler. I had my phone in hand and was able to skip forward before hearing anything.
Again I appreciate the warnings, it keeps me able to watch guys like you and Swag!
You cant compare the female characte deaths to the male characters since 2 of them were on suicidal missions to begin with and the others were already half dead or dying the female characters just straight up got diffed for no real reason
Maybe I’m thinking too deep but I feel like nobara is the example of the average sorcerers life. They progress and get stronger and although they have more room to grow their starting point and speed of growth won’t keep up with someone who has a body engineered to be super human and a person who mentally holds themselves back while having a technique on gojos level. It’s wack she was used as the example but I think she was punished because despite doing everything right that was not her place. If she ran she’d still be alive. Growing via experience is the fastest way to grow but it’s also dangerous. Yuji and megumi get done in more drawn out ways because they have to. Sukuna’s plan required way more, she was never apart of any big plan.
I’m just patiently waiting for the day I hear “resonance” and she pops up to save the day out of nowhere… please gege make this happen and I’ll forgive you for killing 3 of my 5 favorite characters… megumi wishes he was dead
I’ve given up holding out for her. A lot of people are really still saying she could come back even tho it’s obvious she’s gone. Gege really handled it horribly imo and if she does comeback that’s just bs writing. To just sideline her for a majority of the series only to comeback near the end just sidestepping her development and screen time.
Well it’s not obvious that she’s gone
Gege PURPOSELY left hints that she’s probably alive. First one is that her death isn’t confirmed, just assumed
Even one of the medics wasn’t 100% sure on if she’s alive or dead but used their power to stop any possibility damage from happening (aka if she was alive there’s zero way for her to die, and should make a recovery)
But I mean yea- side lining one of the main three is a little ass and is only worse when we know the ending is coming close. Everyone is jumping Sukuna and Kenjaku is….something right now
@@gabrielsalahi3656 Nitta just existing to blue ball us fr
no gege just really fucked up at this point.
if gege dosent bring her back it would be bad writing after purposely keeping her death ambiguous for years on end just to finnnaly decide 2 chapters before the end of the series yeah il just slide in a random statement finally confirming nobaras death.
if he does bring her back its gonna feel like a complete ass pull after pushing her out of the story for this long just to bring her back when its conveniant for the cast.
no matter what he doe its gonna be bad writting and its honestly absolutely geges fualt for sccrewing up her death so badly.
@@GensolinkWhich horribly bad writing writing. You absolutely DO NOT toy with your audience's trust by jerking them around for no reason. It's simply a matter of set up and pay offs.
You don't set something up for the audience to get invested in, leave them hanging for over half the story, and then never pay it off.
@@DLxxx idk if it's mistranslation or something but it felt much more obvious in the french sub that Nobara bit the dust. overall rewatching the scenes i think only yuji was supposed to not know but the way gege went about it admittedly isnt the best
Nobara has really bad stats, but has great matchups against most people
after the recent chapter with Miwa I'm convinced that Naoya was a self insert
been saying this
Let’s hope that Nobara gets a second chance in life.🐱
After seeing the cursed brothers fight once again I've remembered why I love her so much
The Special Grade Curse Death Paintings Wombs are definitely half human half cursed spirt.
In defense of Nobara->
-Hostage situation.
-She ran out of ammo.
-As you said, caught Nobara off guard.
Edit-> The brothers are special grade curses, they are curse wombs and were basically special grade objects that could not be destroyed until Mahito came in.
Low special grades equal a grade 1 sorcerer as shown and stated by Ijichi.
Edit again- Yuji has grade 1 level reinforcement, Megumi has a domain, and Nobara's curse technique is broken. You get struck by Nobara once and just die if you do not have rct.
She does not have main character plot armor. The writer accidentally made a character he doesnt care for cool
Also argubley megumi lost just as many fights nobara in season 1 sure instead of bad luck he just fought significantly stronger enemies but to say nobaru was sidelined I feel is a little unfair for everytime she lost she got a cool moment right before or after
She was getting bullied by hand sword nigga 😂
quicker summery at the end
i got to be the one to put this out there she really didn't deserve that much better if at all because this is something that is constantly echo'd through out both yuji's and megumi's devolopment which is mindset matters and unless she was gonna be a shoko (not on the battle field much) than it was bound to happen while going up against special grades and that fact was during that fight against eso and kechizu even then we saw that she wasn't up to par with yuji as we him on a few occasions saving her and while normaly that wouldn't be an issue the only way she had improved going into jujutsu professionally was hitting a black flash(btw thats what causes them to gain a better understanding) other than that her efforts to grow were relatively little and to be honest getting stronger wasn't a main drive in her life like yuji and megumi so of course she would start to lag behind and with megumi getting a domain and improving the way he used his technique and yuji just in general honing down on the basics and both having a big will to get stronger and despite that they both almost died more than once during this. so to summarize she was weaker she had a bad mindset for a frontlines sorcer and was fighting a special grade
Still to this day I believe she's still alive and kicking cause until Gege blatantly states she's gone or otherwise shown or something then ain't believing it also we in the final part so come on show my girl off here at the end Gege plz.
I do think she needed to do more agenst haruta but most of her other loses were not her direct weakness just bad luck sure its the authors choice to give her bad luck but each of these loses come after a bad ase moment sure yes she could and probably should have been treated better by the story especially by the standerds of importance of the other 2 leads but if her role was to be a shocking death she did it pretty well without feeling fridged but i do hope she comes back she has constantly been a shining hope for yuji and team up very well so even a small moment vs sukuna as just a reminder for yuji that he can still do it and not all is lost would be great
But.. SHE DID feel fridged tho? No, in fact she absolutely was, by definition.
A big part of the issue with her death is how it did _nothing_ for the character, and cut off her story for the sake of making the lead breakdown momentarily.
In other words, she was killed unnaturally, for no other reason than pure shock factor and angst for the lead character. That's the textbook definition of fridging, isn't it?
Your idea with sukuna finger is something i thought of
If only she had Kakazu’s raw durability
I think there's a good chance she'll survive. Watching Season 2, it feels like they set up a Checkov's gun.
Nobara is LITERALLY the only character death that isnt 100% confirmed if u think gege had todos friend use that weird cursed technique to slow down her death but stated that it didnt mean shed survive just for her to die anyway yr buggin, shes gonna be the first of the trio to learn reverse cursed technique due to one being one of the very few students to be able to hit a black flash, deepening her understanding of cursed energy and 2 due to the nature of her cursed technique and natural understanding of the soul, plus right bfr she dies to mahito she states she wants to remember that feeling and feel the core of cursed energy, similar to the babble gojo was speewing right after he brought himself back from the brink of death, not only that but in gojos death scene he revisits all the ppl who died bfr him in his jujutsu career even fuckin amanai but nobora his precious student was not present, and my last and final piece of nobara copium, we see in a room when everyone is waiting for angel to bust gojo out of the prison realm, that there is a big box right behind shoko that is nvr explained nor addressed but its sitting dead center of the room, im not sayin shes in there, but its jus strange that its there, with all these details in mind im certain that shes alive and just in recovery
Hmmm nah. She’s dead. She had an entire flashback. And when mahito hit her he stated that it took more than one touch to kill nanami so then he wanted to see about Nobara. And as we seen, her understanding of the soul was weaker then his. So I think she’s dead
@swixhayes3877 funny u mention that since he didn't actually kill her instantly like he hypothesized, nobara was alive when todo and his friend pulls up to keep her alive using his cursed technique, and specifies that her survival isn't 0 meaning there's a chance she could make it, we also kw that near death experiences deepen ones understanding of cursed energy which is how gojo learned reverse cursed technique in the first place, if nothing else gege has plans for her in the future, if he didn't he woulda just confirmed her dead the 3 times it was addressed
@@swixhayes3877 she didt have a flashback, the entire flashback wasent even nobaras, it was her random ass freind having a flashback of nobara at that exact moment.
I reread the chapter that didnt seem like a box ? Idk
Kenjaku is going to bring nobara into play in this final arc somehow. Im calling it now
Hey six how many hours you spend on one video?
Is TH-cam your full time job?
Btw nice content.
this was an eye opening video🧐
* EYE POPING * video😅
🤪@@Hayder609
I felt like she seen Yuji down there also & it threw her off like Gojo seeing Geto
I thought the well of cursed energy she was trying to remember was a black flash. Didn’t she hit a black flash along side yuji versus the brothers?
yes she did
Six,what do you think about Yuji being the last finger theory? I wanna hear your opinion.
She got the Sakura treatment.
2:06 But all of those male characters at least had time to shine and had many victories and relavance to the plot.
All of the female characters either die easily without accomplishing much or are super weak and have zero relevance. The only exception being Angel and sort of Maki, she’s being set up for greatness but really hasn’t done much at all. I guess Urame is pretty impressive but we don’t know if they are even male of female.
I love your channel, Six but I don’t know why you feel the need to defend obvious sexism.
She’s getting better 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️
I’d say most of the time JJK does deaths well, but Nobara’s has always felt like a waste of potential to me. Hope she comes back
Even if Nobara comes back, what she can do? She got the Sakura treatment. Even if she comes back she may not be relevant
@@ling8956 sakura treatment in what aspect lmao? sakura was never in a similar death/limbo situation. i don't get the comparisons, their characters and their fates are not even remotely similar. y'all just love to compare every single female character in shonen to sakura for some odd reason.
idk if she will come back or not but her technique is still useful since it deals soul damage.
I'm not gonna lie, Nobara became one of my favorite characters after season 1, which surprised the heck outta me. Her fight with Yuji against the special grade curses was honestly THE moment I really saw the true potential for more technical fights in this series' power system.
To know now that it was her only true shining moment in the series, and her death wasn't even given the weught it deserves (not even a mention from Gojo), feels (ironically) like an _actual_ slap to the face. It has to be the worst mishandling of a character I've seen in Shonen in a very long time, which sucks because she was a refreshingly compelling female lead 😣
@@ugh5281thank you this is what I been saying 👍🏾
@@ugh5281I think he's referring to relevance
Nobara just had an off screen funeral.
That would low-key be so disrespectful for the character though. Someone that prominent and important in Yuji's life should've gotten a proper funeral sequence, IF she's truly dead.
Nobara will be good friends with Parsee, but knowing Parsee she would be jealous at practically everything including friendship
Nobara will make a return(I hope)
She could be utilized more though but I still like her as a character
A shouen main cast , wants to be strong , wants to be pretty , loves herself Has zero interest in boys at all ? Not even the hands on ones ?
That is so rare to see . Very sadly z think about how many Naruto female characters are hopeless romantics
Until it’s confirmed she’s dead she’s alive and well to mean
In the anime she’s just stands there and doesn’t move or dodge when she’s killed it didn’t make any scenes to me
I think Gege had to get rid of her in his mind because should would’ve actively and safely countered Sukuna in the most recent of chapters.
Megumi got his body stolen? SR the extra finger, Gojo just lost? SR
Ofc Gojo would have to give her the extra finger but I think ya get it
I think she will be revealed during the flashback of the one month time skip. Hopefully..
@@GothamThotSlayerthen sidelined as a useless character?
It’s been 2 years how Gege gonna squeeze in nobara with wats going on. Then what is a power up for her. It gotta be a crazy glow up. Her ct isn’t op stats not op. It would have to be a chessy power up. I think that’s why Maki and Yuki filled in.
Yo Six, what happened to the Code vs Kara video?
Six I’m curious if I am over reading this. Chapter 205 I believe. Special grade “Able to single handedly overthrow a country” Doesn’t this mean all special grades are ‘Country level threats’
Im like 80% sure shes dead...but hey a 20% comeback? Ive seen crazier in the nfl
Eyepatch Nobara coming back to strike the finger in a hidden location to fuck with Sukuna would be so heat 😂 Gege plz
omg six is alive??? 🥺🥺😱😱😱🥹🥹🥹
Hobart kinda got the Sakura treatment, sclearly weaker than her teammates and not as important to the story. Which suck cause season 1 gave me hope that this show would treat its female character better then most shounen anime
After reading this in the manga i was pretty floored. I thought she was a super cool character that had a lot of potential. The absence of any sort of a romance trope like there was in Naruto with Sakura or in MHA with Uruaka was a also a strong point for Nobora. However, her death came quick and unpredictable which makes it feel more authentic in a world like JJK which is riddled with brutality and uncertainty.
I didn't know yuki died
It's okay guys. She will come back!
* huffs copium
did she got a flash back or something, usually when someone dies they get a flashback or something
I miss her, bros.
Literally five seconds in and I'm already spoiled to hell. Guess it's time to go ahead and read the manga now. lol
Wym? This ep been animated
@@lEthereal No, I thought she was actually dead. lol
@@iacorianus oh ok. I mean nothing is confirmed. People are just iffy abt it in the community. Some people think she is and some are holding out hope that she’s not. But one thing I will say if you do start reading is the next arc is so valid. I can’t wait for them to animate that one
@@iacorianus it's not confirmed yet so she could be or couldn't be the manga literally still hasn't cleared it up since it happened like 3 years ago lmao
@jdatkinsofficial the line where it's said she might survive is gonna be somewhere in the next 2 episodes it isn't that big of a spoiler
I had already experienced their deaths like over 2 years ago seeing them in the anime meant nothing to me
Was the opposite for me, the anime made it more emotional just cuz of the music, and animation ofc.
Thanks alot for giving Nobara the Sakura treatment. Thats what I expect from Shonen.
In the end Nobara is a typical female lead who is weaker then her male counterparts, routinely gets captured or saved in battle and is not relevant to the overall plot/themes. The only thing that made her better than her peers is that she has an assertive personality and goals outside of the male characters.
Nobara should have won at least 1 solo fight before Shibuya and in Shibuya she should have won against Haruto. Nobara should actually put up a fight and maybe win or severely injure Mahito’s clone. However she still gets taken out, she isn’t not dead but is majorly disabled in one eye and has to retrain to compensate and makes a surprise return being even stronger.
I hope she come back
It is true that everybody suffers a horrible fate but I do think it's pretty unbalanced when most of the relevant female cast is killed off and now there's just Maki and Mei Mei (barely being relevant), while you have a much larger cast of male characters that are still relevant. I guess by shonen standards this is expected but idk it's somewhat disappointing given how the series presented itself earlier on.
To me, Nobara is alive. When Gojo died, he was in a sort of lobby with all the deceased sorcerers that were somehow related to him, but there was not Nobara there, his student. SO that might have been a fat oversight from Gege or foreshadowing she's alive.
No it was just his inner group during the hidden inventory arc
@@unanimouslyhated cap toji was there to
@@unanimouslyhated Not sold. Haibara was there and in the manga and anime he is portrayed as Nanami's best friend and didn't seem particulary close to Gojo. Hidden inventory characters you say...? Principal Yaga was there too and he had less than few panels in that arc. Besides EVERY sorcerer who has been confirmed dead was there, seems really arbitrary to leave Nobara out. Hence I say Gege forgot about her, or is foreshadowing she's alive.
@@gustavmetalI can’t really explain why someone like Haibara would be there but I still feel that them all being present during the Hidden Inv arc is relevant because that would explain why they are all represented as themselves of that time period. It would’ve been more impactful for Gojo to see Geto the age he was when he killed him. The fact Gege drew them as they looked in 2006 means that was the theme.
To be fair, Gojo didn't seem to care about his students. He didn't even mention them once in the afterlife.
Kenny is gonna possess her body mark my words 🗣️🗣️‼️‼️‼️
Lol remember when people called her a better Sakura
People are upset at her being written out the story. People wanted Sakura written out the story. Thats the difference
Isnt its obvious nobara is better ?
good video
a manga warning would’ve nice ngl
ITS CLEARLY manga content Six always does his videos based on the manga y’all should know that by now
Done killed my favorite character 🙌🏾🤬
Should have called in batman to help
I don't care if I sound resentful, but I ALSO deserved better. But Motomu Toriama is a idiot, so the only thing fair about life is just how unfair it is.
Give us Gojo vs Makima
Nobara ability was just too busted 😂
i think its borderline confirmed that she died
I just feel like her death here was unnecessary, and she didn’t do enough in the series, don’t hype her up as one of the main 3 basically the main girl of the series just to get killed in season 2. It’s like killing Sakura in the chunin exams
These same jjk fans where clowning Naruto on how female characters are written lmao
Nobody deserves a damn thing in this show, we all dyin' lol
She got FRIDGED.
That’s not good writing. It’s cliche and unnecessary.
Now the series only has 1 good female character left, Maki. A true Shonen. Naruto would be proud.
To be fair Maki is like really good lol
@@sixfromtokyo Yeah but her upper limit is Toji. A character who was outclassed by Gojo.
The 2 actual main characters in the show Yuji and Megumi are most likely going to need to Surpass Gojo to beat Sukuna and end the series.
That means that Maki is basically guaranteed to be weaker than the men in the series by a considerable amount.
@@James-kv3llGege confirmed way back that amongst the 4(yuji, megumi, gojo & nobara) that either 1 lives 3 dies or 1 dies 3 lives
@@GothamThotSlayer Ok?
So?......that think you are dim as unnecessary is the reason me and many other are interested at jjk you people are just the loud minority...get you "how can female be shown weaker than men" other of anime you people have already done that with Disney and where that lied than too
What do you mean by disrespect....yuji and magumi already special grade cause magumi had the most broken ability in the series and he was train by gojo from childhood where as yuji ( do i even need to say).....but nobura she nothing special she just start training jujutsu so why should she get any better treatment than the other people like her( cause he is the main trio f off)
W vid
Nobara isn’t confirmed dead tho ( I’m copeing hard)
It's crazy to me how nobaras face explode and the fan base still believe she's alive
Because Gege himself made it ambiguous by adding in a character saying that she may or may not live and then we just never got confimation on her fate, it's not like people randomly came up with the idea of her surviving out of thin air, it was literally written into the story as a possiblity. Also her face injury is hardly crazy to come back from, we've seen characters take way worse damage and survive
Dont "believe" she is alive necessarily. They just hope she is, since many said they stopped watching JJK all together.
Its like Power Rangers changing the cast, and a bunch of people stopped watching
You saw what happened to Nanami when Mahito touched him right? His torso exploded, if something like that happened to Nobara then I would definitely believe she's a goner but just her face got affected and that I think was very little to count her as dead dead.
@just4universe219 Thank you, lol. Nanami was walking around with half his body charred and still fighting before Mahito found him. The others in his group were in even worse condition. There's plenty of reason to think Nobara could or should have come back.