My experience with airfoil tools is that when you copy the source dat file without the name of the airfoil on top of the listed data, the spline in fusion 360 remains open at the trailing edge. If you copy and paste everything, including the name of the airfoil, the spline ends up closed in fusion, ready to use. Sounds weird, but works! I recommend to open "edit sketch" on that spline, select the outline, then right click and "fix spline".If you don't, you may accidentally move spline points while working with that airfoil, thus creating humps or dents or other "improvements"... I have to admit that my proposed solution obviously only works with the older 1.8 version of airfoil dat to spline, which I'm still using. In the actual 2.0 version the problem remains unsolved, at least for me...
Thank you for this awesome tip and solution to that strange problem! I've pinned it to the top of the comments so that others benefit for this work around! Cheers!
@@RCCAD2VR I've installed and tested the 2.0 version on a different computer now and it looks like the problem of open trailing edges lies in the data files. The two data dealing with the trailing edge should be the same value. If the first pair reads, for example, 1,00000 0,00000 and the last pair is 1,00000 0,00010 , then ends won't meet in the spline appearing in fusion. So be sure to make both pairs the same value, before using the file in 'airfoil dat to spline'. In your case it is really a huge gap of about 4,2 mm! at the wing root rib. You can see that gap already on the airfoil tools website display of your profile and if you check the dat file, you'll see where it comes from.
@@plane_simple Even when the first pair and the last pair are identical you still get an open trailing edge!! Tested a couple different airfoils and they still come in open traing edge!!
Plane Simple: Including the name of the Dat file doesn't make any difference when creating the airfoil even if the first and last plot are the same!! Still get an open spline and the "Fix Spline does not fix it either.
@@sotm6078 Which version of airfoil dat to spline are you using? The solutions I was suggesting did work for different airfoils in both versions I am using on two different computers, both windows 10.
The tidbits of explaining concepts here and there (like getting a measurement using a box and explaining wing washout clearly) really make these videos stand out from the rest. Great clear, thorough but concise, to the point explanations. Much appreciated! Greets from Finland
Honestly this is by far the best and next level of Airplane design on fusion 360, great sound quality, in depth tutorial, useful knowledge on how to design aircraft.
Mr Terrance, you teach me 2 things: English and fusion, the way you speak, slowly and with excellent diction and articulation is just wonderful for a French speaker; the way you detail each action on fusion360 is also very important, thank you a thousand times for this very high level work
Merci beaucoup Emmanuel! That is very exciting and encouraging to hear that as a non-native English speaker you are able to understand the videos! I will do my very best to continue making the videos as clear as possible. Thank you again! Cheers!
This amount of work you put into this series and the quality - MAGNITUDES higher than similar content - is FAR too little appreciated! Not to mention: it's completely free!
Cheers! Happy to see that you're really appreciating the video series. They were a challenge to put together, but glad to be able to share my process and help others. With such a significant drop of interest in the engineering, trades, and manufacturing and the older generations not passing the knowledge on as freely, putting a series like this behind a paywall seemed like the wrong thing to do. Happy to know it's appreciated!!
@@RCCAD2VR That’s a very noble motive! It’s greatly appreciated! I’m actually currently designing my very first RC plane ever. It’s of course not going to be as intricate as your design and made from foam. Long story short, your series helps a ton with the design! By the way: do you know of any free/free with educational license software with flow simulation capabilities (since I think it’s no longer possible in Fusion360)?
@@Quefelsees That's awesome! Best of luck on your design and build! You'll have a lot of fun in the process. I've not spent any time looking for any simulation software, So I can't point you in any specific direction. This kind of software is pretty expensive to create an maintain, so a free version that's capable of giving accurate results may be hard to find.
Happy to hear that Matt! Good to hear the series has been so helpful. The J21A will be a really cool project! Best wishes as you work through getting your design done. Cheers!
I Started Watching IT and THOUGHT THIS GOING TO TAKE LONG SO I CLICKED ON EPISODE 2 AND YOU SAID TO WATCH THE FIRST ALSO, SO I JUMPED BACK NOW IT MAKES A WHOLE LOT MORE SENSE. GREAT EPISODES👍😉
What!? That is freaking AWESOME!!! Congratulations of the new career!! Reading this put a huge smile on my face. I wish you all the best in your new found career. Happy to know that I played a small part in it. Cheers!!
Great teacher. Very easy to watch and learn. Some airfoils on Airfoil Database have contour defects/divots that need to be cleaned up. They also have way more spline points than needed. I usually delete most of them. There is also an add-on that removes unnecessary spline points, Airfoil_DAT_Optimiser, but more can be removed still. The open trailing edge seems to be random. Some are closed. I usually connect the upper line to the lower and correct the shape if needed, or square it off to .4mm if it's going to be 3D printed. The gap is usually small enough no adjustment is needed. Bigger variations come with sanding and finishing.
Hey there -- You're very welcome. It took me ages and many frustrated night figuring it out how to do this, glad to be able to share the knowledge and hear that it is appreciated. See you in part 2! Cheers.
Man, hands down the best Fusion tutorial i have found on youtube for rc planes, you got a newbee completely hooked and you got special teaching powers, please continue your good work, it would be awesome if you could make a tutorial series for a model that can be 3d printed, lot of folks here are interested in that too. Thanks again
Awww man, thank you for the really generous comment! Welcome to the channel and to designing your own planes with it. I may do a 3D printing series in the future once I get through the building of the L-1011 Airliner I am working on. I've had few requests for 3D printed airplane design. Stay tuned
Hi Terence great series. I've been building rc models for nearly 20 years and built a Vickers VC10 airliner. It was a long project and flew quite well. One thing I have learnt over many builds is that the airfoil for the full scale model doesn't always work very well on scale models. I believe its to do with the Reynolds number. I now always use the Clark-Y on my builds apart from flying wings where I use the MH45 and 60. I built a T45 Goshawk recently and used the full size airfoil and it flew for about 20 seconds and was very unstable. A few videos on my channel show the attempts. There were some other design errors but that's another stories. I use my own design CNC Foam cutter for all my builds. So I'm redesigning in Fusion 360 with DevFus Foam and DevWing Foam with a clark-y. Just subscribed looking forward to the series Keith
Hello Keith, Thanks for the great comment! Yes, airfoils is a tricky and complex thing. I'm making use of the Reynolds number and using the various charts to get a good understanding of the airfoil performance. I'm on my 4th wing iteration and will use Fusion 360 to get a few tests run to get a better idea of various characteristics of the wing. The T45 Goshawk looks like it could be a fun plane, hopefully you are able to get the kinks worked out of it and get to enjoy a nice flyer. Glad you're able to get a few insights from the videos I'm putting out there. Cheers!
Mate your video’s are amazing! Been wanting to do exactly this for the last 7+ years and have done extensive research but with so many different papers, tutorials and online opinions it all gets a bit overwhelming very quickly. your vids are clear, precise and by far the best ive seen with all the important details people want to know. Looking forward to the rest of your videos. Cheers legend🍻
Aww Man! That's amazing to hear! Thank you for taking a sec to post this fantastic comment. I was pretty much in the same boat and just slogged through it. With the lock down situation we all had to endure, it gave me the perfect excuse to just dive in. As I started figuring things out, I figured I'd share what I've learned. Happy to hear that its reaching the right people who want to get into this as well. What are you going to be working on as your first project?
@@RCCAD2VR initially got into this about 11 years ago with people doing long range fpv (before the drone industry really kicked off) and have a weird fascination with delta wing designs. Had a go making my own foils using a hot wire and foam but found it to be fairly rudimentary when trying to use different airfoils and twist/washouts. Have had a small bit of experience using pre-preg and infusion carbon fiber so wanted to use a CAD design that i can use to make my delta wing design and CNC a mould from it. Your vids and Instagram so far have been exactly what ive been looking for. Haven’t had time to watch the rest of your videos yet as working remotely as a geologist but a few of the questions I’ve struggled with was how to make a streamline internal server connection for ailerons. Also probably a issue you wont have but how, after laying up the carbon mould, do you then fit your internal rib design into the airframe as obviously the thickness has changed by varying degrees depending how much carbon you have layered up, or do you then just have to custom hand sand your frame down to the correct dimensions to fit within the airframe (or maybe i dont even need and airframe and can just use a honeycomb carbon composite..)... Anyways bit of a rant and dont expect you to answer those questions here. Cheers for the help so far!
I'd like to add that the main thing about wingtip-washout is to prevent a stall of the complete wing at a time. The beginning stall at the root gives you time to react, time you don't have with a wing stalling completely at once. There are full sized planes without washout for better high speed performance, but those are known to be very critical to fly at low speed. The second thing I want you to think about is that you don't really have much aileron controllability with a partially stalled wing. If you're hanging off the outer wing only due to a high angle of attack and you try counter act a bank to the left by right aileron, the airflow can't follow the downward deflected left aileron any more, causing a stall and you loose the left wing you thought to lift. You often see that at take-off, when the model is ripped into the air more by the power of the engine than through lift of the airfoil, hanging there like a ripe fruit ready to fall, what will immedeately follow when you try to save it with full aileron. It's better to use rudder in such cases to benefit from the yaw-roll coupling. This is what you learn as a pilot in manned aviation...
Hey man, thanks for taking some time to write more about wing washout! This is very helpful and gives more insight into the complexity associated with wing design.
@@RCCAD2VR I have to thank you for sharing your experience with us. I learnt a thing or two from your videos, preventing me from creating a mess instead of a model airplane.
That's awesome to hear! You are right, the net is pretty sparse on this kind of information which is why I decided to start making these videos. See you in the next set of videos! Cheers -T
I am Glad I came across your Video!!! I have no previous experience in either CAD or RC Planes but definitely Grew my interest on it . For the moment , the only thing I can do , Is to practice the skills you have taught on CAD which are very interesting indeed !! However while your Discussion, there have been a lot of Hints and Points towards the Physics getting involved behind the designs a lot of which I honestly am unaware of . Can you suggest some resources, websites , etc which can be beneficial To understand The Physics behind all this , ( Airfoils , Washout , Cl vs a , Structural Architecture, etc ). I want this Project to give us all a holistic approach to the art of Flight Physics . Having Said all this , I just wanted to say WELL DONE ! LOTS OF LOVE AND RESPECT FOR YOUR HARDWORK AND PASSION. I WILL WATCH ALL OF YOUR VIDEOS TILL YOU SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETE YOUR PROJECT. WE ARE ALL WITH YOU. ALL THE BEST !! AND ABOVE ALL , STAY SAFE :)
Thank you so much for this amazing and thoughtful comment and question. I have been slowly building a library of information on my website at www.rccad2vr.com. It's taking some time to get the catalog of articles written for each youtube episode and aeronautical information as a reference. I'm adding about 1 significant entry per week and trying to speed that up. My goal is to provide a resource for hobbyists with a strong emphasis of content for those wanting to get started in the hobby. The information is scattered all over the internet and if you don't know what you are looking for it can be challenging. Much more to come!
I've learned more from these videos than any other video series I've watched. I also want to complement your teaching style. It is very easy to follow and understand. AWESOME
BOOM! That's awesome. Glad to hear this series has been so helpful in what you're working on. Thank you for the compliment also, I try my best to be clear, sounds like I've been successful in that regard for you. Cheers! Care to share something you've picked up from the series that's helped you on one of your projects?
I don't know what kind of magic you did Terrance. I watched the portion of the video about moving the offset construction planes at least 6 times, followed along, did the same things. But I don't get the move triad and cannot move the construction plane at all.
This is because you're in parametric modeling mode. You need to be in direct modeling mode in order for this functionality to become available. Be sure to reference my website (link in description) for instructions on how to switch and other commonly asked questions.
great video, one thing to note though: on windows the folder to put the script into is C:\Users\*YourUser*\AppData\Roaming\Autodesk\Autodesk Fusion 360\API\Scripts
Thanks, glad you like the video. Thanks for the heads up. Just double checked with AutoDesk knowledge.autodesk.com/support/fusion-360/troubleshooting/caas/sfdcarticles/sfdcarticles/How-to-install-an-ADD-IN-and-Script-in-Fusion-360.html seems there may be some variance between OS or F360 versions. Good to know if anyone runs into a similar directory structure.
Your videos are amazing and so helpful. I have a big problem though: I am designing a custom built aircraft, inspired by the SR71, Concorde, and Space Shuttle... so it's a 4.5ft long fuselage, complex delta wing with a 90mm EDF in the back. My issue is, I can't find too much information on the types of airfoils my inspiration aircraft used, and they essentially seem to boil down to being "flat plates" in the case of RC models. The best I have been able to find is to keep the root airfoil to about 5% thickness and the tip airfoil to a bit higher, maybe 6%. I am planning on making my own airfoils for this as it is such a complex shape and the wing is so long (2/3 of the length of the fuselage at the root). What would you do if you were me, would you move forward?
What an amazing set of tutorials! I am following this process from the start but on a dc10, which will eventually be a static 1/48 scale model...I hope 😂. Thanks pete
Couple things. 1st, I'm loving your content so far, 3rd video I've watched. 2. In Fusion, why not use the "Tangent Plane" in stead of moving your Offset Plane? When you use the Tangent Plane, you can pick ANY rib you want and even change its angle or rotation on that specific rib. And then you can use the offset Plane option to offset that Tangent Plane as many times as you need. 3. You don't NEED to expand your Plane (any of them). Once you chose that Plane you want, your sketch stays on that Plane. For instance, if you use an offset Plane and offset 4', your sketch stays 4' off your surface behind it. Your Plane could be a .25" square. You just need to select that specific Plane. You might be using it as a sanity check, but it's not at all necessary. I hope that makes sense @RC CAD Vr! Thank you buddy! Edit: I see why you used the Move command, to follow the sweeping of the wing, from root to tip.
Hello Jenson -- Thank you for the feedback and you are absolutely correct. Part of what I am also doing in my videos, aside from showing how to model an airplane, is develop a sense of comfort, familiarity, and visualizations for those who are new to Fusion 360 and 3D modeling. I tend to use repetition as a technique especially in earlier videos like this one. Thanks again for the feedback. I hope others get to ready your comment to see that there is more than one way to accomplish the same in F360! Cheers!
Omg thank you so much. It wont let me move the offset plane and I use the tangent plane and it worked. I am pretty new to fusion but i have used Inventor and autocad for 2 years. They're a litte bit different but overall i will get used to it. Thank you so much
Hey there. Glad you found an option. You're most likely in parametric mode, you'll need to switch to direct modeling mode to get the plane functionality as I use in the video. Be sure to reference my website that also has many answers to common questions. Cheers!
thankyou!!!! this is helping me so much!! thankyou 100 times over!! I'm working on a 33 in by copter Ch-46 than an f6f hellcat but this time the plans will be good!
That's awesome to hear! Those sound like really fun projects. Happy to know the vids are helping you with your project! If you're on IG tag me in one of you posts, or shoot a DM with some pics. Would love to see em. Cheers
@@RCCAD2VR Thanks! I am excited to have found these tutorials. Iv designed one F6F in Adobe illustrator and it didn't turn out so well and I tried a couple times in Blender. I am working on a Sprit of St Louis that I kinda drew up in blender. I would much rather use a program like this for design. I am excited about my Bicopter project so that's going to be interesting. Iv gotta get away from free handing stuff and getting lopsided results. (:
Bonjour! Bravo pour tes vidéos. Je m'intéresse à cette façon de dessiné depuis longtemps. Depuis peu, j'ai découvert Fusion 360 et je compte bien te suivre. Merci, tu est un très bon pédagogue. Claude Bélanger, Terrebonne Qc Canada
Salut! Merci pour le très gentil commentaire et le compliment! J'espère que ces vidéos et à venir vous aideront à développer un très bel avion. C'était aussi quelque chose que je voulais faire depuis très longtemps. Enfin trouvé le temps et la motivation nécessaires pour y arriver. S'il vous plaît laissez-moi savoir si jamais vous êtes coincé sur un problème, je ferai de mon mieux pour vous aider. - Terrance Hello! Thank you for the very kind comment and compliment! I hope that these and future videos help you develop a very nice plane. It was also something I wanted to do for a very long time. Finally found the time and drive to actually make it happen. Please let me know if you ever get stuck on a problem, I'll do my best to help. - Terrance
Very good tutorial!! Just a quick comment on the airfoil. It looks like a supercritical airfoil which - in full size aircraft - makes a few compromises for good transsonic flow behavior, which we would not see in most RC models. ;) I would stick to the common Clark, NACA, Eppler Profiles or to those dedicated RC profiles e.g. designs by Dr. Martin Hepperle...
Thanks for the compliment and heads up! Much appreciated. You are correct regarding the supercritical airfoil. The wing on my model quickly transitions to a more favorable Clark airfoil before it reaches the engine nacelle. The actual airfoil that I'm using at the root has more favorable flying characteristics based on Reynolds number & wing WCL, than that used in the video. The flaps will also help compensate for some of this during the critical stages of flight. Time will tell if it works! Lot's of tests ahead.
That's awesome to hear! Thank you! My profession is Software Architecture and Development which has been the case since 1998. I did a 1 year stint shooting crime scenes, house fires, tornado's, and car accidents as a TV photojournalist when I was 19 at a small TV station in Texas, but that's it. Other than that, just research, countless tutorials and trial and error.
Thanks for the great video, I have a question, why I can't move the new offset plane on minute 3:49? it only give me the option of moving objects or faces, no planes. Thanks
Hi, Great tutorial. How to design the wing or fuse, if you have only 2 views, side and top/down. I am using mostly rc plane plans and for the positioninng of the construction planes i just have top / side view.?
So much thanks to you for this!!! Short Hint: The video calls .......[Deutsche Untertitel]....what means 'German subtitles' However there is no option for any subtitles, but autmatically generatet English subtitles. It's not a problem to me, but may be for other visitors.
Hello Mr T :) TH-cam has started offering auto translate CC on all videos, here is a video that will show you how to turn it on: th-cam.com/video/LZz03myFuWA/w-d-xo.html Cheers!
@@RCCAD2VR the level of detail you go into and how clear and concise you are and your explanation of unfamiliar terms. great teacher I watched all of your videos in a day
Greetings to you as well and thank you, glad you liked this video! Yes, 😃 I will be producing videos covering some of the more advanced and tricky parts of designing an airplane. Those are somewhat challenging areas to develop and I need to spend some time thinking through how to present those sections in a series of videos. Stay tuned!
Hi Terrence, I was wondering if you can scale a drawing or body in fusion 360? For instance if i had fuslage formers that stay the same shape, but slowly get smaller as it tapers towards the tail? Thanks.
Hey there. I'm not 100% sure if you are asking about the scaling a canvas or a sketch, or individual bodies? As per scaling the empennage, I would not recommend doing the way you've suggested in your question. It does not take into account the shape change for the vertical and horizontal stabilizer mounting surfaces. I've publish an entire episode on designing the empennage last week here th-cam.com/video/Ii1llR3i7o4/w-d-xo.html. If you are wanting to do the series in order (which I'd recommend), here is a link to the playlist th-cam.com/play/PLWLtHp5rnDuTFa2CpkuF_eYK8-aCMMID1.html. I'm unfolding the various techniques from one episode to the next progressively getting a little more advanced and building on the prior tutorial. I hope that is what you were looking for. If not, let me know.
It depends on where you start the twist into the washout area. I would say it should be at the final angle just before the inside edge of the aileron. Check the CL v Alpha data for that airfoil to make sure you don't inadvertently create negative lift at the final washout angle when at level flight or a few degrees nose down, that could create a really nasty problem.
Hi Thank you very much for your tutorial. This is a very good tutorial. I wonder if the master can publish the modeling process of Gulfstream G650, thank you
Hello! Thank you for the compliment!! Very much appreciated. I have had a few requests for other airplanes. This one seems to be popular :) I will add it to my list of airplanes to consider modeling in the future! Cheers!
Hey there Phil. We're you able to figure it out? I have instructions on how to correctly download the dat files on my website. The link to it is in the description. Apologies for the delay.
Hi @RCCAD2VR, is there a way to import the spline files to an exact coordinate on a offset plane ( lets say a projected line from a wing sketch )? I am still unable to place the airfoil profiles correctly because the pivot and move method works but when you are going after High performance.... it is not the very precise sadly. If you have any new method of doing this I would appreciate. Hoping to see a new build from you soon.
Hey there -- This is a known issue, one that I was not able to solve either. I remember a comment a while back regarding a hack to do it, but I couldn't get it to work. What I ended up doing to simplify the whole process is capturing a screenshot of the airfoil, placing it as a canvas then using sketch to trace the airfoil. It's quick and dirty and solves the issues with using the DAT file. Hope that helps. Also most recent build video went out this week. Cheers.
Thank you for your videos so far Terrence. I know that there are many ways to achieve the end result in Fusion360, but I'm just wondering why you don't break your design down into component parts such as Fuselage, Wing, Tail etc and also why you don't rename your sketches and construction planes to easier identification as you get more and more of them.
Hey there. Thanks for bringing this up. You are absolutely right on both counts. You've jumped ahead of me 😃. It's a topic I'll be covering in an up coming episode. I'm trying to layer things as best I can, starting with getting everyone something they can see taking shape before introducing organizational practices. More to come. Thanks for the comment!
Hi. Can't move my offset plane. Do everything as shown in the video. whenever I want to move it, the program says I should select a body ... I can't move the offset plane surface
I can't say whether solidworks is any better or less than optimal than Fusion since I have not used it. Being a Mac user, Fusion 360 is the best option for me.
Sir, video is amazing but I'm not able to move planes after creating an offset plane, In fact the triad move pad does not get toggled when I press M after selecting the plane. Please tell me how to set that.
This sounds like and issue with your selection settings. Make sure that the selection filters area all checked under Solid -> Select -> Selection Filters and then select all. Then tap on your construction plane, it should highlight. Them press M or you can use the "Cross with Arrowheads" from the options Tape across the top of the F360 UI. If the Triad tool does not appear, move your mouse pointer over the plane and off again, is should appear.
I think I may have found the problem. If you have parametric design turned on, you can not rotate construction planes. Turn off design history by right clicking on the top level component in your browser and turn off design history. That should solve the issue.
I have two questions. 1) Can you import an existing wing rib shape from a plan, ie import the shape as a PDF and trace it . 2) can you use Fusion 360 to design in features. To make building the wing easier, eg jigging tabs?
You can do that easily using the canvas feature and skirting the shape of the wing on top of it. I'm not sure I understand your second question though. Can you clarify please. Thanks!
Hi Thank you for your reply. In answer to your question. Many models have sacrificial jigging tabs on the wing ribs to ensure the wing ribs are properly aligned or have inbuilt washout at the wing tip
When I try to add my Airfoil everything works until the layer disappears. In the video you say, that that is normal and that you just have to zoom out but when I zoom out I don't find the airfoil. Can you help?
Hey there - There are two possibilities that I can think of. 1) You did not have keep tool selected when making your cuts. 2) You have to find it in your browser tree and turn it back on. When it disappears it just makes it invisible. Let me know if that does the trick for you.
i am realy enjoying the videos.. but where do I find the airfoils.. I am looking to build a Q-400 jet. I was looking at the avro Arrow.. but I think the q-400 would be the easier plane
Hi Lloyd, are you asking how to find the airfoil for the Q-400, or are you asking where to get airfoils in general? The video that I published after this is all about setting up your wings.
Ah, did you check out the page I set up to go with the wing tutorial at www.rccad2vr.com/rc-airplane-design-build-episodes it's got all of the reference materials including the airfoil resource I use. Hopefully that helps, please let me know if not.
@@RCCAD2VR Hi Terrance.. I did look at some of the videos.. not all of them YET. but I did download the patch. and it shows me Some airfoils. But I don't see any high lift airfoils. and I cant seem to download even a naca airfoil. Your videos are really good and informative. even for a guy who is really I would like to send you the pic.. to see what you think
Hi! Thank you, glad you are enjoying the tutorials, also, Thank you for the tip, that was very kind of you! Here's a link to a photo of the plane I'm working on www.airliners.net/photo/Delta-Air-Lines/Lockheed-L-1011-385-1-TriStar-1/181539/L I'll also be building it and adding this livery to it.
@@RCCAD2VR but i have a problem;( it is inpossible to import files taken from airfoiltools to fusion 360. I have changed extension from txt to dat but it does not work
@@pawelmolin That is a very common problem. Changing the extension usually will not work. I have a guide on my website at this link www.rccad2vr.com/rc-airplane-design-build-episodes/design-rc-airplane-wings-in-fusion-360-part1#download-dat -- Are you doing it exactly this way? Make sure you are not opening the fine in an editor, that will add meta data to the file and the add-in will not be able to read it. Let me know if that works.
In 4:30 you show how to move a new offset plane by crearing it and then pusshing M with it selected. I’ve tried several times but it doesnt appear the options to loce that offset plane. How can I fix it? ----------------- Solved: temporary line is the solution as I see in your website.
Quick question for anyone here following along. I'm trying to move the offset plane that he created but to my knowledge moving construction planes with the move tool is not supported. Does everything still work if you initially resize the plane to its intended location and then off set it or am I just missing something? Thanks!
@@thichchetao7596 Hi -- Can you clarify by what you mean by instructional? These are instructional videos. I'd like to have a better understanding by what you mean or which topic to cover. Thanks!
😔 sadly I don't think so. I searched and you could do it by installing a while bunch of libraries to bridge the OS gap. Sorry man, wish they made a Linux version, then it would be much more straight forward to install on a chromebook. I have one as well, and pretty familiar with the limitations of the OS.
Hi there. With every tutorial I publish a supplemental web page which has most of the support materials and links you may need. The link to the page is in the description, or you can just click this link www.rccad2vr.com/rc-airplane-design-build-episodes/design-rc-airplane-wings-in-fusion-360-part1 the profiles are available in the right column of that page. Hope that helps.
I am unable to use DAT files because 360 says it can’t recognize them. I use airfoil tools and UIUC for my DAT files. And I have Dat to spline install. I tried looking it up but no luck. You have any tips?
Hi Chad, this is usually caused if you did not save the file correctly. If you open the file and then save it, the file will end up with meta data in the header that the "add-in" can't read. Make sure you right click the file link and save as. This will ensure you get the file without any extras.
Watched this whole series and loved it so much decided to draw it. Got to the point of adding 'DAT to Spline' but got so frustrated trying to get it working that I just gave up on drawing the L1011. I downloaded the file from the link to 360 Apps under the 'Tool' icon. Copied the .pkg file and pasted it both under 'Scripts and Add-Ins' and neither works. I navigated to this directory. C:\Users\piemp\AppData\Roaming\Autodesk\Autodesk Fusion 360\API\Scripts.......I then restarted Fusion and don't see the option for 'Dat to Spline' under 'TOOLS'.
Could you add Korean subtitle on other video like the first video?? It was so good to study as other video about this subject is not remain in Korea ;(
Hey buddy I have a hickup in making the offset plane move the the root of the wing. when i am creating the offset plane doing all the steps as shown but when i am trying to move it , i am not able to do that. i am only able to bodies with the move option. can you pls help me ?
Hey there - Apologies for the later reply. This sounds to me like you are working in parametric modeling mode. I have an explantion on how to change this on my website here www.rccad2vr.com/rc-airplane-design-build-episodes/design-rc-airplane-wings-in-fusion-360-part1 scroll down to the heading. "Step 1 - Setting Primary Airfoil Construction Planes" It will show you how to switch. Hope that helps.
That is the author of a German book that looks to be out of print. I do not have any books that I can recommend specifically for airfoil design. There are tools around that you can design an airfoil and see the characteristics of it.
Hi I figured out my other problem. But now when I come to move my construction plane I highlight the construction plane to move click M and all it allows me to do is select the bodies of the fuselage to move. It won't allow me to move the construction plane?
Hi Craig! Sorry for not getting back sooner, happy to hear you got it sorted out. This was an unfortunate oversight in detail when I created the video. If you get stuck again and need a more timely response, DM me on instagram or twitter I see those messages much faster thanks to more reliable notifications. Have fun!
Hi Sir, I would like to ask you about that u move your construction plane with easy method press M and move. But it's not work on me. Any solution or any tips?
This is happening because you have parametric design turned on. You must turn this off. The following link will take you to my website where there are instructions on how to turn this off. Look for the heading "Can't Rotate Canvas" 👉 www.rccad2vr.com/rc-airplane-design-build-episodes/design-rc-airplane-wings-in-fusion-360-part2#planes
I am not able to move my plane as you do ,it either move and copy any body but not the plane . as well i am not able to rotate the plane to so it is being difficult for me in part 2 . so can you please guide me
Sorry you are having issues with this. F360 has a few quirks that can catch you off guard. This sounds like and issue with your selection settings. Make sure that the selection filters area all checked under Solid -> Select -> Selection Filters and then select all. Then tap on your construction plane, it should highlight. Them press M or you can use the "Cross with Arrowheads" from the options Tape across the top of the F360 UI. If the Triad tool does not appear, move your mouse pointer over the plane and off again, is should appear. Hopefully that helps.
I think I may have found the problem. If you have parametric design turned on, you can not rotate construction planes. Turn off design history by right clicking on the top level component in your browser and turn off design history. That should solve the issue.
Help!!! How do your move a plane? what selection Faces, Bodies, sketch objects, or component lets you move a plane?? Mine will not move a plane no matteer which I use, no other choices either!! Select plane press m and it wants to know what to move! Won't move plane with any! I also can NOT copy a construction plane. IBM based computer.
Hey there. You need to be working in direct modeling mode. You're in parametric modeling mode which does not allow that functionality. Hope that helps.
I'm unable move, or copy/paste the construction planes or sketches like you are at 6:12 for example. In fact, I am unable to select it the same way you are. I see when you are moving the construction plane and airfoil around you have "bodies" selected in the move pane and there for you only have one item selected, I cant select anything with "bodies" selected. Also, when I try to rotate the airfoil it crashes every time because I have over 600 points selected. I cannot select anything when I have "bodies" selected like your video, the only way I can move/rotate points are when I have "sketch objects" selected What's going on here, its very frustrating. Hopefully that makes sense.
You'll need to switch to direct modeling mode. Right now you're in parametric design mode you can find instructions how to switch here on my website www.rccad2vr.com/rc-airplane-design-build-episodes/design-rc-airplane-wings-in-fusion-360-part1 hope that helps.
An option to solve the airfoil problem is to get an image of the airfoil, add it to the workspace as a canvas, then tracing it using the spline tool. That would take it down to 4-6 points.
Hello. This is because you're in parametric modeling mode. You need to be in direct modeling mode. Every tutorial has a companion webpage that provides more info and explanations for things not covered in the tutorial. On this page www.rccad2vr.com/rc-airplane-design-build-episodes/design-rc-airplane-wings-in-fusion-360-part1 you will find instructions on how to switch modes.
I don't know if I'm doing something wrong but it wont allow me to move an offset plane, when I try to select it and press the M key it tells me that I need to select a body to move
That is a limitation when working with "design history" on. You'll need to turn that off in order to work freely with construction planes and other methods shown in the tutorial. Be sure to use the webpage that goes with this, I try to answer as many of the pitfalls and issues people run into. Cheers.
Hey Terrance, I just attempted to install the DAT spline and after loading as directed into the library, I restarted Fusion and lost my canvas images. I can't find them anywhere
Hi Scott. This is a highly irritating bug in Fusion 360. My canvases disappear visually all the time. If you look in the browser under canvas, the file should still be there. Right click on the file and select replace canvas image file. Then select the same file you used before. This should pop it right back in. That's what I always have to do.
I don't quite understand. Canvas are added from your computer, there is nothing to download. Just trying to get clarification. Are you unable to locate the file locally or is the canvas file not in the browser.
@@RCCAD2VR I went ahead and simply acted as if I never downloaded a canvas and that brought the image in. I sized it to the sketch but now I can't increase or decrease the sketch size...grrr....I have to say this all started after I downloaded the DAT spline Add-on so I am now thinking I should remove it and that might solve all these irritating issues....thanks again for a great job....threw you a tip the other day...
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My experience with airfoil tools is that when you copy the source dat file without the name of the airfoil on top of the listed data, the spline in fusion 360 remains open at the trailing edge. If you copy and paste everything, including the name of the airfoil, the spline ends up closed in fusion, ready to use. Sounds weird, but works! I recommend to open "edit sketch" on that spline, select the outline, then right click and "fix spline".If you don't, you may accidentally move spline points while working with that airfoil, thus creating humps or dents or other "improvements"...
I have to admit that my proposed solution obviously only works with the older 1.8 version of airfoil dat to spline, which I'm still using. In the actual 2.0 version the problem remains unsolved, at least for me...
Thank you for this awesome tip and solution to that strange problem! I've pinned it to the top of the comments so that others benefit for this work around! Cheers!
@@RCCAD2VR I've installed and tested the 2.0 version on a different computer now and it looks like the problem of open trailing edges lies in the data files. The two data dealing with the trailing edge should be the same value. If the first pair reads, for example, 1,00000 0,00000 and the last pair is 1,00000 0,00010 , then ends won't meet in the spline appearing in fusion. So be sure to make both pairs the same value, before using the file in 'airfoil dat to spline'. In your case it is really a huge gap of about 4,2 mm! at the wing root rib. You can see that gap already on the airfoil tools website display of your profile and if you check the dat file, you'll see where it comes from.
@@plane_simple Even when the first pair and the last pair are identical you still get an open trailing edge!! Tested a couple different airfoils and they still come in open traing edge!!
Plane Simple:
Including the name of the Dat file doesn't make any difference when creating the airfoil even if the first and last plot are the same!! Still get an open spline and the "Fix Spline does not fix it either.
@@sotm6078 Which version of airfoil dat to spline are you using? The solutions I was suggesting did work for different airfoils in both versions I am using on two different computers, both windows 10.
Hey man, Just discovered your videos! great stuff and very educational.
Hello ramy. Love your channel. Hows the A380 coming along?
Thanks man! Much appreciated, glad you like them. I enjoy watching you build videos as well. Keep up the fantastic work! Cheers from Seattle.
i can't use it because i'm not at school
I cant believe this content exists...THANK YOU SO MUCH. You're changing lives for the better.
The tidbits of explaining concepts here and there (like getting a measurement using a box and explaining wing washout clearly) really make these videos stand out from the rest. Great clear, thorough but concise, to the point explanations. Much appreciated!
Greets from Finland
It's kind of crazy how in this day and age we have access to information this advanced and anyone has access to it. Amazing job!
Honestly this is by far the best and next level of Airplane design on fusion 360, great sound quality, in depth tutorial, useful knowledge on how to design aircraft.
Wow, that's one heck of a compliment!! Thank you for taking a sec to add this awesome comment. Happy to hear the tutorial useful! Cheers -T
Completely agree
Mr Terrance, you teach me 2 things: English and fusion, the way you speak, slowly and with excellent diction and articulation is just wonderful for a French speaker; the way you detail each action on fusion360 is also very important, thank you a thousand times for this very high level work
Merci beaucoup Emmanuel! That is very exciting and encouraging to hear that as a non-native English speaker you are able to understand the videos! I will do my very best to continue making the videos as clear as possible. Thank you again! Cheers!
This amount of work you put into this series and the quality - MAGNITUDES higher than similar content - is FAR too little appreciated!
Not to mention: it's completely free!
Cheers! Happy to see that you're really appreciating the video series. They were a challenge to put together, but glad to be able to share my process and help others. With such a significant drop of interest in the engineering, trades, and manufacturing and the older generations not passing the knowledge on as freely, putting a series like this behind a paywall seemed like the wrong thing to do. Happy to know it's appreciated!!
@@RCCAD2VR That’s a very noble motive! It’s greatly appreciated!
I’m actually currently designing my very first RC plane ever. It’s of course not going to be as intricate as your design and made from foam. Long story short, your series helps a ton with the design!
By the way: do you know of any free/free with educational license software with flow simulation capabilities (since I think it’s no longer possible in Fusion360)?
@@Quefelsees That's awesome! Best of luck on your design and build! You'll have a lot of fun in the process.
I've not spent any time looking for any simulation software, So I can't point you in any specific direction. This kind of software is pretty expensive to create an maintain, so a free version that's capable of giving accurate results may be hard to find.
@@RCCAD2VR Thank you very much! Just ordered all the parts, I’m super excited!
Alright, I’ll keep looking then. Thanks for your reply!
@@Quefelsees Anytime.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THISSSSS!!!!!! I am modeling a J21a and this series has been the most helpful thing I've found
Happy to hear that Matt! Good to hear the series has been so helpful. The J21A will be a really cool project! Best wishes as you work through getting your design done. Cheers!
I am 13 and I have found no good tutorials till now. Thank you so so so much for all this
I Started Watching IT and THOUGHT THIS GOING TO TAKE LONG SO I CLICKED ON EPISODE 2 AND YOU SAID TO WATCH THE FIRST ALSO, SO I JUMPED BACK NOW IT MAKES A WHOLE LOT MORE SENSE. GREAT EPISODES👍😉
This is just awesome. Exactly what I needed since I'm interested in both Fusion 360 and aircraft. Thank you so much.
I don't want to get repetitive but you rock Terrance..Thank you!
Thanks Neil! Not repetitive at all. You comment let's me know the video is effective. Many thanks!!
I learned fusion 360 from your videos and now I get paid to use it. I changed careers because of your videos. Thank you!
What!? That is freaking AWESOME!!! Congratulations of the new career!! Reading this put a huge smile on my face. I wish you all the best in your new found career. Happy to know that I played a small part in it. Cheers!!
@@RCCAD2VR it totally changed the course of my life. in my professional life and my RC hobby life
Great teacher. Very easy to watch and learn. Some airfoils on Airfoil Database have contour defects/divots that need to be cleaned up. They also have way more spline points than needed. I usually delete most of them. There is also an add-on that removes unnecessary spline points, Airfoil_DAT_Optimiser, but more can be removed still.
The open trailing edge seems to be random. Some are closed. I usually connect the upper line to the lower and correct the shape if needed, or square it off to .4mm if it's going to be 3D printed. The gap is usually small enough no adjustment is needed. Bigger variations come with sanding and finishing.
Fascinating, I could listen and watch you all day.
Cool Man! Thanks 🤜🤛
You are a hero thank you for doing design videos like this
Thanks! That's a very big compliment. More than happy to be making these for everyone.
You are my hero ! thank you a million times
lil ol me??? 😊 Thank you! It's my pleasure!
Thank you for this video Terrance, there is no way I could have figured this out on my own, looking forward to the next video.
Hey there -- You're very welcome. It took me ages and many frustrated night figuring it out how to do this, glad to be able to share the knowledge and hear that it is appreciated. See you in part 2! Cheers.
Man, hands down the best Fusion tutorial i have found on youtube for rc planes, you got a newbee completely hooked and you got special teaching powers, please continue your good work, it would be awesome if you could make a tutorial series for a model that can be 3d printed, lot of folks here are interested in that too. Thanks again
Awww man, thank you for the really generous comment! Welcome to the channel and to designing your own planes with it. I may do a 3D printing series in the future once I get through the building of the L-1011 Airliner I am working on. I've had few requests for 3D printed airplane design. Stay tuned
Hi Terence great series. I've been building rc models for nearly 20 years and built a Vickers VC10 airliner. It was a long project and flew quite well. One thing I have learnt over many builds is that the airfoil for the full scale model doesn't always work very well on scale models. I believe its to do with the Reynolds number. I now always use the Clark-Y on my builds apart from flying wings where I use the MH45 and 60. I built a T45 Goshawk recently and used the full size airfoil and it flew for about 20 seconds and was very unstable. A few videos on my channel show the attempts. There were some other design errors but that's another stories. I use my own design CNC Foam cutter for all my builds. So I'm redesigning in Fusion 360 with DevFus Foam and DevWing Foam with a clark-y. Just subscribed looking forward to the series
Keith
Hello Keith, Thanks for the great comment! Yes, airfoils is a tricky and complex thing. I'm making use of the Reynolds number and using the various charts to get a good understanding of the airfoil performance. I'm on my 4th wing iteration and will use Fusion 360 to get a few tests run to get a better idea of various characteristics of the wing. The T45 Goshawk looks like it could be a fun plane, hopefully you are able to get the kinks worked out of it and get to enjoy a nice flyer. Glad you're able to get a few insights from the videos I'm putting out there. Cheers!
The control/ command C trick is good, been learning Fusion recently and I always draw a line and then erase. Thank you.
All the best on your Fusion adventures 😃
Thank you so much for making this series, Terrance, no other resources compare to this! Much love
Thank you Alexander! I very much appreciated the compliment!
Saludos de Colombia, buen trabajo!
Gracias!!
So happy to have found you and your channel! Keep up the great work!
Thank you Eli, I'm also happy you found the channel! 😃! And thank you SO much for the tip to help support these videos! Very much appreciated.
Happy to help! thanks for the shout out.
-Matt
Anytime!
Hey look at that , real RC model building. Look and learn guys this is a beautiful thing.
Absolutely excellent videos!
Thanks! Hope you're design is going well!
Mate your video’s are amazing! Been wanting to do exactly this for the last 7+ years and have done extensive research but with so many different papers, tutorials and online opinions it all gets a bit overwhelming very quickly. your vids are clear, precise and by far the best ive seen with all the important details people want to know.
Looking forward to the rest of your videos. Cheers legend🍻
Aww Man! That's amazing to hear! Thank you for taking a sec to post this fantastic comment. I was pretty much in the same boat and just slogged through it. With the lock down situation we all had to endure, it gave me the perfect excuse to just dive in. As I started figuring things out, I figured I'd share what I've learned. Happy to hear that its reaching the right people who want to get into this as well. What are you going to be working on as your first project?
@@RCCAD2VR
initially got into this about 11 years ago with people doing long range fpv (before the drone industry really kicked off) and have a weird fascination with delta wing designs. Had a go making my own foils using a hot wire and foam but found it to be fairly rudimentary when trying to use different airfoils and twist/washouts. Have had a small bit of experience using pre-preg and infusion carbon fiber so wanted to use a CAD design that i can use to make my delta wing design and CNC a mould from it. Your vids and Instagram so far have been exactly what ive been looking for. Haven’t had time to watch the rest of your videos yet as working remotely as a geologist but a few of the questions I’ve struggled with was how to make a streamline internal server connection for ailerons. Also probably a issue you wont have but how, after laying up the carbon mould, do you then fit your internal rib design into the airframe as obviously the thickness has changed by varying degrees depending how much carbon you have layered up, or do you then just have to custom hand sand your frame down to the correct dimensions to fit within the airframe (or maybe i dont even need and airframe and can just use a honeycomb carbon composite..)...
Anyways bit of a rant and dont expect you to answer those questions here.
Cheers for the help so far!
I'd like to add that the main thing about wingtip-washout is to prevent a stall of the complete wing at a time. The beginning stall at the root gives you time to react, time you don't have with a wing stalling completely at once. There are full sized planes without washout for better high speed performance, but those are known to be very critical to fly at low speed.
The second thing I want you to think about is that you don't really have much aileron controllability with a partially stalled wing. If you're hanging off the outer wing only due to a high angle of attack and you try counter act a bank to the left by right aileron, the airflow can't follow the downward deflected left aileron any more, causing a stall and you loose the left wing you thought to lift. You often see that at take-off, when the model is ripped into the air more by the power of the engine than through lift of the airfoil, hanging there like a ripe fruit ready to fall, what will immedeately follow when you try to save it with full aileron. It's better to use rudder in such cases to benefit from the yaw-roll coupling. This is what you learn as a pilot in manned aviation...
Hey man, thanks for taking some time to write more about wing washout! This is very helpful and gives more insight into the complexity associated with wing design.
@@RCCAD2VR I have to thank you for sharing your experience with us. I learnt a thing or two from your videos, preventing me from creating a mess instead of a model airplane.
You have done a great job. I was searching for this for a long time and finally, you did it. Thank you. Looking forward to the more videos.
That's awesome to hear! You are right, the net is pretty sparse on this kind of information which is why I decided to start making these videos. See you in the next set of videos! Cheers -T
I am Glad I came across your Video!!! I have no previous experience in either CAD or RC Planes but definitely Grew my interest on it . For the moment , the only thing I can do , Is to practice the skills you have taught on CAD which are very interesting indeed !!
However while your Discussion, there have been a lot of Hints and Points towards the Physics getting involved behind the designs a lot of which I honestly am unaware of .
Can you suggest some resources, websites , etc which can be beneficial To understand The Physics behind all this , ( Airfoils , Washout , Cl vs a , Structural Architecture, etc ). I want this Project to give us all a holistic approach to the art of Flight Physics .
Having Said all this , I just wanted to say WELL DONE ! LOTS OF LOVE AND RESPECT FOR YOUR HARDWORK AND PASSION. I WILL WATCH ALL OF YOUR VIDEOS TILL YOU SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETE YOUR PROJECT. WE ARE ALL WITH YOU. ALL THE BEST !! AND ABOVE ALL , STAY SAFE :)
Thank you so much for this amazing and thoughtful comment and question.
I have been slowly building a library of information on my website at www.rccad2vr.com. It's taking some time to get the catalog of articles written for each youtube episode and aeronautical information as a reference. I'm adding about 1 significant entry per week and trying to speed that up. My goal is to provide a resource for hobbyists with a strong emphasis of content for those wanting to get started in the hobby. The information is scattered all over the internet and if you don't know what you are looking for it can be challenging. Much more to come!
I've learned more from these videos than any other video series I've watched. I also want to complement your teaching style. It is very easy to follow and understand. AWESOME
BOOM! That's awesome. Glad to hear this series has been so helpful in what you're working on. Thank you for the compliment also, I try my best to be clear, sounds like I've been successful in that regard for you. Cheers! Care to share something you've picked up from the series that's helped you on one of your projects?
I don't know what kind of magic you did Terrance. I watched the portion of the video about moving the offset construction planes at least 6 times, followed along, did the same things. But I don't get the move triad and cannot move the construction plane at all.
This is because you're in parametric modeling mode. You need to be in direct modeling mode in order for this functionality to become available. Be sure to reference my website (link in description) for instructions on how to switch and other commonly asked questions.
great video, one thing to note though: on windows the folder to put the script into is C:\Users\*YourUser*\AppData\Roaming\Autodesk\Autodesk Fusion 360\API\Scripts
Thanks, glad you like the video. Thanks for the heads up. Just double checked with AutoDesk knowledge.autodesk.com/support/fusion-360/troubleshooting/caas/sfdcarticles/sfdcarticles/How-to-install-an-ADD-IN-and-Script-in-Fusion-360.html seems there may be some variance between OS or F360 versions. Good to know if anyone runs into a similar directory structure.
Your videos are amazing and so helpful. I have a big problem though: I am designing a custom built aircraft, inspired by the SR71, Concorde, and Space Shuttle... so it's a 4.5ft long fuselage, complex delta wing with a 90mm EDF in the back. My issue is, I can't find too much information on the types of airfoils my inspiration aircraft used, and they essentially seem to boil down to being "flat plates" in the case of RC models. The best I have been able to find is to keep the root airfoil to about 5% thickness and the tip airfoil to a bit higher, maybe 6%. I am planning on making my own airfoils for this as it is such a complex shape and the wing is so long (2/3 of the length of the fuselage at the root). What would you do if you were me, would you move forward?
Thank you for your tutorial. I am using this knowledge to design a F-18
There is a checkbox in the AirFoils Tool that will close the airfoil. Just look before the Plot button.
Very helpful. Nice job
Thank you! Glad to hear this video was able to help you with your project!
Awesome! Thank you for sharing your knowledge. So cool!
You're most welcome, and thank you for watching and taking a moment to leave a friendly comment 🤜🤛
So easy really ! When you do it ! 😄
I had the advantage of practice before recording and editing 😆😜
There is a checkbox in airfoil tools which can be selected to "close the trailing edge" when printing.
Very use full info Sir 👍
Happy to hear that! What type of plane are you working on?
I can't believe you are doing this with a touchpad! That would drive me crazy! Haha
Ha! It's more out of necessity for my wrist. I've gotten so used to it, that I don't even think about it. Totally second nature to me now.
What an amazing set of tutorials! I am following this process from the start but on a dc10, which will eventually be a static 1/48 scale model...I hope 😂. Thanks pete
Thanks Pete! The D 10 will be a great model! Best wishes
Couple things.
1st, I'm loving your content so far, 3rd video I've watched.
2. In Fusion, why not use the "Tangent Plane" in stead of moving your Offset Plane?
When you use the Tangent Plane, you can pick ANY rib you want and even change its angle or rotation on that specific rib. And then you can use the offset Plane option to offset that Tangent Plane as many times as you need.
3. You don't NEED to expand your Plane (any of them). Once you chose that Plane you want, your sketch stays on that Plane.
For instance, if you use an offset Plane and offset 4', your sketch stays 4' off your surface behind it. Your Plane could be a .25" square. You just need to select that specific Plane. You might be using it as a sanity check, but it's not at all necessary.
I hope that makes sense @RC CAD Vr!
Thank you buddy!
Edit: I see why you used the Move command, to follow the sweeping of the wing, from root to tip.
Hello Jenson -- Thank you for the feedback and you are absolutely correct. Part of what I am also doing in my videos, aside from showing how to model an airplane, is develop a sense of comfort, familiarity, and visualizations for those who are new to Fusion 360 and 3D modeling. I tend to use repetition as a technique especially in earlier videos like this one.
Thanks again for the feedback. I hope others get to ready your comment to see that there is more than one way to accomplish the same in F360!
Cheers!
Omg thank you so much. It wont let me move the offset plane and I use the tangent plane and it worked. I am pretty new to fusion but i have used Inventor and autocad for 2 years. They're a litte bit different but overall i will get used to it. Thank you so much
Hey there. Glad you found an option. You're most likely in parametric mode, you'll need to switch to direct modeling mode to get the plane functionality as I use in the video. Be sure to reference my website that also has many answers to common questions. Cheers!
Rad guys! I'm glad it's clicking for ya!
@@RCCAD2VR thank you.
thankyou!!!! this is helping me so much!! thankyou 100 times over!! I'm working on a 33 in by copter Ch-46 than an f6f hellcat but this time the plans will be good!
That's awesome to hear! Those sound like really fun projects. Happy to know the vids are helping you with your project! If you're on IG tag me in one of you posts, or shoot a DM with some pics. Would love to see em. Cheers
@@RCCAD2VR Thanks! I am excited to have found these tutorials. Iv designed one F6F in Adobe illustrator and it didn't turn out so well and I tried a couple times in Blender. I am working on a Sprit of St Louis that I kinda drew up in blender. I would much rather use a program like this for design. I am excited about my Bicopter project so that's going to be interesting. Iv gotta get away from free handing stuff and getting lopsided results. (:
Bonjour! Bravo pour tes vidéos. Je m'intéresse à cette façon de dessiné depuis longtemps. Depuis peu, j'ai découvert Fusion 360 et je compte bien te suivre.
Merci, tu est un très bon pédagogue.
Claude Bélanger, Terrebonne Qc Canada
Salut! Merci pour le très gentil commentaire et le compliment! J'espère que ces vidéos et à venir vous aideront à développer un très bel avion. C'était aussi quelque chose que je voulais faire depuis très longtemps. Enfin trouvé le temps et la motivation nécessaires pour y arriver. S'il vous plaît laissez-moi savoir si jamais vous êtes coincé sur un problème, je ferai de mon mieux pour vous aider. - Terrance
Hello! Thank you for the very kind comment and compliment! I hope that these and future videos help you develop a very nice plane. It was also something I wanted to do for a very long time. Finally found the time and drive to actually make it happen. Please let me know if you ever get stuck on a problem, I'll do my best to help. - Terrance
Very good tutorial!!
Just a quick comment on the airfoil. It looks like a supercritical airfoil which - in full size aircraft - makes a few compromises for good transsonic flow behavior, which we would not see in most RC models. ;)
I would stick to the common Clark, NACA, Eppler Profiles or to those dedicated RC profiles e.g. designs by Dr. Martin Hepperle...
Thanks for the compliment and heads up! Much appreciated. You are correct regarding the supercritical airfoil. The wing on my model quickly transitions to a more favorable Clark airfoil before it reaches the engine nacelle. The actual airfoil that I'm using at the root has more favorable flying characteristics based on Reynolds number & wing WCL, than that used in the video. The flaps will also help compensate for some of this during the critical stages of flight. Time will tell if it works! Lot's of tests ahead.
Another great video Terrance! What is your profession? One doesn't simply make videos of this quality without experience!
That's awesome to hear! Thank you! My profession is Software Architecture and Development which has been the case since 1998. I did a 1 year stint shooting crime scenes, house fires, tornado's, and car accidents as a TV photojournalist when I was 19 at a small TV station in Texas, but that's it. Other than that, just research, countless tutorials and trial and error.
Thanks for the great video, I have a question, why I can't move the new offset plane on minute 3:49? it only give me the option of moving objects or faces, no planes. Thanks
Hi, Great tutorial. How to design the wing or fuse, if you have only 2 views, side and top/down. I am using mostly rc plane plans and for the positioninng of the construction planes i just have top / side view.?
Amazing video. I will be using your process to design an clean sheet EDF Jet for FPV
Great Job👍👍👍👍
Thank you Dominic! Much appreciated. Part 2 coming soon.
Thanks for the tutorials. I DL'd the latest of F360 and running Monterey, F360 will install the script for you from where ever you DL it too.
So much thanks to you for this!!!
Short Hint: The video calls .......[Deutsche Untertitel]....what means 'German subtitles'
However there is no option for any subtitles, but autmatically generatet English subtitles.
It's not a problem to me, but may be for other visitors.
Hello Mr T :) TH-cam has started offering auto translate CC on all videos, here is a video that will show you how to turn it on: th-cam.com/video/LZz03myFuWA/w-d-xo.html Cheers!
Fastest 30 minutes on youtube!
I hope that's a good thing 😃
Im not even into rc planes but this is awesome!
That's awesome! Thank you! 🙏 what part(s) are you liking best?
@@RCCAD2VR the level of detail you go into and how clear and concise you are and your explanation of unfamiliar terms. great teacher I watched all of your videos in a day
Greetings from the UK. Great video, will you be covering how to do the wing fairings and modelling the compound curves (for the nose and eppanage)?
Greetings to you as well and thank you, glad you liked this video! Yes, 😃 I will be producing videos covering some of the more advanced and tricky parts of designing an airplane. Those are somewhat challenging areas to develop and I need to spend some time thinking through how to present those sections in a series of videos. Stay tuned!
👍 Thank you. 😃
You're most welcome. Hope this video got you off to a good start!
Hi Terrence, I was wondering if you can scale a drawing or body in fusion 360? For instance if i had fuslage formers that stay the same shape, but slowly get smaller as it tapers towards the tail? Thanks.
Hey there. I'm not 100% sure if you are asking about the scaling a canvas or a sketch, or individual bodies? As per scaling the empennage, I would not recommend doing the way you've suggested in your question. It does not take into account the shape change for the vertical and horizontal stabilizer mounting surfaces. I've publish an entire episode on designing the empennage last week here th-cam.com/video/Ii1llR3i7o4/w-d-xo.html. If you are wanting to do the series in order (which I'd recommend), here is a link to the playlist th-cam.com/play/PLWLtHp5rnDuTFa2CpkuF_eYK8-aCMMID1.html. I'm unfolding the various techniques from one episode to the next progressively getting a little more advanced and building on the prior tutorial. I hope that is what you were looking for. If not, let me know.
Can i expect the same kind of performance if i use only one type of airfoil (curtiscC-72) but with a Washout ? Thank you for thoses awsome tutorials
It depends on where you start the twist into the washout area. I would say it should be at the final angle just before the inside edge of the aileron. Check the CL v Alpha data for that airfoil to make sure you don't inadvertently create negative lift at the final washout angle when at level flight or a few degrees nose down, that could create a really nasty problem.
Hi Thank you very much for your tutorial. This is a very good tutorial. I wonder if the master can publish the modeling process of Gulfstream G650, thank you
Hello! Thank you for the compliment!! Very much appreciated. I have had a few requests for other airplanes. This one seems to be popular :) I will add it to my list of airplanes to consider modeling in the future! Cheers!
really enjoying this , am having a go at an me109 , but am struggling to download dat files. can't seem to do it can you help
Hey there Phil. We're you able to figure it out? I have instructions on how to correctly download the dat files on my website. The link to it is in the description. Apologies for the delay.
This is some amazing work, When is the next video coming up?
Thanks for the big compliment Shubham! I am aiming to have the next video out in a week or so. Guessing by the 24th if all goes as planned.
Hi @RCCAD2VR, is there a way to import the spline files to an exact coordinate on a offset plane ( lets say a projected line from a wing sketch )? I am still unable to place the airfoil profiles correctly because the pivot and move method works but when you are going after High performance.... it is not the very precise sadly.
If you have any new method of doing this I would appreciate.
Hoping to see a new build from you soon.
Hey there -- This is a known issue, one that I was not able to solve either. I remember a comment a while back regarding a hack to do it, but I couldn't get it to work. What I ended up doing to simplify the whole process is capturing a screenshot of the airfoil, placing it as a canvas then using sketch to trace the airfoil. It's quick and dirty and solves the issues with using the DAT file.
Hope that helps.
Also most recent build video went out this week. Cheers.
btw what do you do for living? are you a professional CAD engineer?
I am a software engineer by trade, but making a shift into RC airplane design and building. :)
Thank you for your videos so far Terrence. I know that there are many ways to achieve the end result in Fusion360, but I'm just wondering why you don't break your design down into component parts such as Fuselage, Wing, Tail etc and also why you don't rename your sketches and construction planes to easier identification as you get more and more of them.
Hey there. Thanks for bringing this up. You are absolutely right on both counts. You've jumped ahead of me 😃. It's a topic I'll be covering in an up coming episode. I'm trying to layer things as best I can, starting with getting everyone something they can see taking shape before introducing organizational practices. More to come. Thanks for the comment!
Hi. Can't move my offset plane. Do everything as shown in the video. whenever I want to move it, the program says I should select a body ... I can't move the offset plane surface
Great
WHich is better for airplane design and testing. Fusion 360, or Solidworks???
I can't say whether solidworks is any better or less than optimal than Fusion since I have not used it. Being a Mac user, Fusion 360 is the best option for me.
Sir, video is amazing but I'm not able to move planes after creating an offset plane, In fact the triad move pad does not get toggled when I press M after selecting the plane. Please tell me how to set that.
This sounds like and issue with your selection settings. Make sure that the selection filters area all checked under Solid -> Select -> Selection Filters and then select all. Then tap on your construction plane, it should highlight. Them press M or you can use the "Cross with Arrowheads" from the options Tape across the top of the F360 UI. If the Triad tool does not appear, move your mouse pointer over the plane and off again, is should appear.
I think I may have found the problem. If you have parametric design turned on, you can not rotate construction planes. Turn off design history by right clicking on the top level component in your browser and turn off design history. That should solve the issue.
I have two questions.
1) Can you import an existing wing rib shape from a plan, ie import the shape as a PDF and trace it .
2) can you use Fusion 360 to design in features. To make building the wing easier, eg jigging tabs?
You can do that easily using the canvas feature and skirting the shape of the wing on top of it.
I'm not sure I understand your second question though. Can you clarify please. Thanks!
Hi
Thank you for your reply.
In answer to your question.
Many models have sacrificial jigging tabs on the wing ribs to ensure the wing ribs are properly aligned or have inbuilt washout at the wing tip
When I try to add my Airfoil everything works until the layer disappears. In the video you say, that that is normal and that you just have to zoom out but when I zoom out I don't find the airfoil. Can you help?
Hey there - There are two possibilities that I can think of. 1) You did not have keep tool selected when making your cuts. 2) You have to find it in your browser tree and turn it back on. When it disappears it just makes it invisible. Let me know if that does the trick for you.
@@RCCAD2VR I found out that I had scetched turned off so I couldn’t visually see it. But now it works! Thanks for the reply!
@@chrisaviationrc Great! Glad to hear it.
Can you tell us the airfoils you´re using in you model please?
i am realy enjoying the videos.. but where do I find the airfoils.. I am looking to build a Q-400 jet. I was looking at the avro Arrow.. but I think the q-400 would be the easier plane
Hi Lloyd, are you asking how to find the airfoil for the Q-400, or are you asking where to get airfoils in general? The video that I published after this is all about setting up your wings.
@@RCCAD2VR i was asking for where to get the airfoils... after watching a few of your videos.. I decided on the q-400... and not the avro arrow.
Ah, did you check out the page I set up to go with the wing tutorial at www.rccad2vr.com/rc-airplane-design-build-episodes it's got all of the reference materials including the airfoil resource I use. Hopefully that helps, please let me know if not.
I thought about doing a Q400. Working on a Hawker 1000 first
@@RCCAD2VR Hi Terrance.. I did look at some of the videos.. not all of them YET. but I did download the patch. and it shows me Some airfoils. But I don't see any high lift airfoils. and I cant seem to download even a naca airfoil. Your videos are really good and informative. even for a guy who is really I would like to send you the pic.. to see what you think
واتمنا اضافة الى شروحاتك الترجمة بالغة العربية لان الفديو لا يوجد فيه مترجم او ترجمة للغتكم وشكرا على هذا الاداء الرائع
Your tutorials are great ! Could you share the picture of the plane in order we followed you while learning ?
Hi! Thank you, glad you are enjoying the tutorials, also, Thank you for the tip, that was very kind of you! Here's a link to a photo of the plane I'm working on www.airliners.net/photo/Delta-Air-Lines/Lockheed-L-1011-385-1-TriStar-1/181539/L I'll also be building it and adding this livery to it.
@@RCCAD2VR but i have a problem;( it is inpossible to import files taken from airfoiltools to fusion 360. I have changed extension from txt to dat but it does not work
@@pawelmolin That is a very common problem. Changing the extension usually will not work. I have a guide on my website at this link www.rccad2vr.com/rc-airplane-design-build-episodes/design-rc-airplane-wings-in-fusion-360-part1#download-dat -- Are you doing it exactly this way? Make sure you are not opening the fine in an editor, that will add meta data to the file and the add-in will not be able to read it. Let me know if that works.
@@RCCAD2VR Ok, I will try it, thank you
@@pawelmolin 👍 Keep me post.
In 4:30 you show how to move a new offset plane by crearing it and then pusshing M with it selected.
I’ve tried several times but it doesnt appear the options to loce that offset plane. How can I fix it?
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Solved:
temporary line is the solution as I see in your website.
where did you find the temporary line fix or wtv i cant find it on his website
Quick question for anyone here following along. I'm trying to move the offset plane that he created but to my knowledge moving construction planes with the move tool is not supported. Does everything still work if you initially resize the plane to its intended location and then off set it or am I just missing something? Thanks!
This is because you're in parametric modeling mode. You've gotta switch to direct modeling in order to have that ability.
@@RCCAD2VR thanks for getting back so quickly!
I can't use the Move tool for Plane like you do. Can you show me how to do it?
Hi. You're in parametric design mode then. Switch to direct modeling mode. 🙂
@@RCCAD2VR thanks you
You're welcome
@@RCCAD2VR Can you make an instructional video? I find that there are many people who have difficulties like me.
@@thichchetao7596 Hi -- Can you clarify by what you mean by instructional? These are instructional videos. I'd like to have a better understanding by what you mean or which topic to cover. Thanks!
I am on a chromebook, and the web version currently doesn't support external applications I believe. Is there any way I can still do this?
😔 sadly I don't think so. I searched and you could do it by installing a while bunch of libraries to bridge the OS gap. Sorry man, wish they made a Linux version, then it would be much more straight forward to install on a chromebook. I have one as well, and pretty familiar with the limitations of the OS.
Will u plz share the link to Download the profile ....
Hi there. With every tutorial I publish a supplemental web page which has most of the support materials and links you may need. The link to the page is in the description, or you can just click this link www.rccad2vr.com/rc-airplane-design-build-episodes/design-rc-airplane-wings-in-fusion-360-part1 the profiles are available in the right column of that page. Hope that helps.
its hard to extend construction plane what is easy way to extent it
I am unable to use DAT files because 360 says it can’t recognize them. I use airfoil tools and UIUC for my DAT files. And I have Dat to spline install. I tried looking it up but no luck. You have any tips?
Hi Chad, this is usually caused if you did not save the file correctly. If you open the file and then save it, the file will end up with meta data in the header that the "add-in" can't read. Make sure you right click the file link and save as. This will ensure you get the file without any extras.
@@RCCAD2VR is it the "save link as" because it is still not doing it.
Well. I am saving it properly but still cant get the dat file to work.
Watched this whole series and loved it so much decided to draw it. Got to the point of adding 'DAT to Spline' but got so frustrated trying to get it working that I just gave up on drawing the L1011. I downloaded the file from the link to 360 Apps under the 'Tool' icon. Copied the .pkg file and pasted it both under 'Scripts and Add-Ins' and neither works. I navigated to this directory. C:\Users\piemp\AppData\Roaming\Autodesk\Autodesk Fusion 360\API\Scripts.......I then restarted Fusion and don't see the option for 'Dat to Spline' under 'TOOLS'.
Thanks for following up on this through my website. Happy to have helped you figure out this pesky little issue 😉
@@RCCAD2VR Your teaching style and support are 2nd to none. Thanks so much!
Thank you 😃 You're most welcome.
Could you add Korean subtitle on other video like the first video?? It was so good to study as other video about this subject is not remain in Korea ;(
Hey buddy I have a hickup in making the offset plane move the the root of the wing. when i am creating the offset plane doing all the steps as shown but when i am trying to move it , i am not able to do that. i am only able to bodies with the move option. can you pls help me ?
Hey there - Apologies for the later reply. This sounds to me like you are working in parametric modeling mode. I have an explantion on how to change this on my website here www.rccad2vr.com/rc-airplane-design-build-episodes/design-rc-airplane-wings-in-fusion-360-part1 scroll down to the heading. "Step 1 - Setting Primary Airfoil Construction Planes" It will show you how to switch. Hope that helps.
What is the best book for airfoil design?
Helmut Quabeck
@@SoaringExperience is this the name of the author or book?
That is the author of a German book that looks to be out of print. I do not have any books that I can recommend specifically for airfoil design. There are tools around that you can design an airfoil and see the characteristics of it.
Hi I figured out my other problem. But now when I come to move my construction plane I highlight the construction plane to move click M and all it allows me to do is select the bodies of the fuselage to move. It won't allow me to move the construction plane?
I've sorted it read threw your comments from the next video and found you had already commented about thanks very much!!
Hi Craig! Sorry for not getting back sooner, happy to hear you got it sorted out. This was an unfortunate oversight in detail when I created the video. If you get stuck again and need a more timely response, DM me on instagram or twitter I see those messages much faster thanks to more reliable notifications. Have fun!
Hi Sir, I would like to ask you about that u move your construction plane with easy method press M and move. But it's not work on me. Any solution or any tips?
This is happening because you have parametric design turned on. You must turn this off. The following link will take you to my website where there are instructions on how to turn this off. Look for the heading "Can't Rotate Canvas" 👉 www.rccad2vr.com/rc-airplane-design-build-episodes/design-rc-airplane-wings-in-fusion-360-part2#planes
@@RCCAD2VR Thank for your kindness sir.
@@eipelay6829 Happy Modeling!
I am not able to move my plane as you do ,it either move and copy any body but not the plane . as well i am not able to rotate the plane to so it is being difficult for me in part 2 . so can you please guide me
Sorry you are having issues with this. F360 has a few quirks that can catch you off guard. This sounds like and issue with your selection settings. Make sure that the selection filters area all checked under Solid -> Select -> Selection Filters and then select all. Then tap on your construction plane, it should highlight. Them press M or you can use the "Cross with Arrowheads" from the options Tape across the top of the F360 UI. If the Triad tool does not appear, move your mouse pointer over the plane and off again, is should appear. Hopefully that helps.
I think I may have found the problem. If you have parametric design turned on, you can not rotate construction planes. Turn off design history by right clicking on the top level component in your browser and turn off design history. That should solve the issue.
@@RCCAD2VR thank you terrance ,
FINALLY IT WORKED IK I was late but if finally worked, 5 hrs later and chat gpt getting mad i got it lol
Help!!! How do your move a plane? what selection Faces, Bodies, sketch objects, or component lets you move a plane?? Mine will not move a plane no matteer which I use, no other choices either!! Select plane press m and it wants to know what to move! Won't move plane with any! I also can NOT copy a construction plane. IBM based computer.
Hey there. You need to be working in direct modeling mode. You're in parametric modeling mode which does not allow that functionality. Hope that helps.
@@RCCAD2VR Yep it did!
I'm unable move, or copy/paste the construction planes or sketches like you are at 6:12 for example. In fact, I am unable to select it the same way you are. I see when you are moving the construction plane and airfoil around you have "bodies" selected in the move pane and there for you only have one item selected, I cant select anything with "bodies" selected. Also, when I try to rotate the airfoil it crashes every time because I have over 600 points selected. I cannot select anything when I have "bodies" selected like your video, the only way I can move/rotate points are when I have "sketch objects" selected What's going on here, its very frustrating. Hopefully that makes sense.
You'll need to switch to direct modeling mode. Right now you're in parametric design mode you can find instructions how to switch here on my website www.rccad2vr.com/rc-airplane-design-build-episodes/design-rc-airplane-wings-in-fusion-360-part1 hope that helps.
An option to solve the airfoil problem is to get an image of the airfoil, add it to the workspace as a canvas, then tracing it using the spline tool. That would take it down to 4-6 points.
@@RCCAD2VR That worked!!!! You are the MAN!!! I think one of your previous videos actually mentions this so shame on me ha ha! Thank you so much!
🙌🙌🙌 glad that did the trick!
Just tried to download the Airfoil DAT to Spline script. No good...when trying to open the file, it simply repeats the installation process...
Oh no! That's not good. The author of the Add-In reached out to me a while back to let me know that he updated it, I hope it's not broken now.
sir can explain about moving construction planes please
because i have tried thousand times but its not moving
Hello. This is because you're in parametric modeling mode. You need to be in direct modeling mode. Every tutorial has a companion webpage that provides more info and explanations for things not covered in the tutorial. On this page www.rccad2vr.com/rc-airplane-design-build-episodes/design-rc-airplane-wings-in-fusion-360-part1 you will find instructions on how to switch modes.
I don't know if I'm doing something wrong but it wont allow me to move an offset plane, when I try to select it and press the M key it tells me that I need to select a body to move
That is a limitation when working with "design history" on. You'll need to turn that off in order to work freely with construction planes and other methods shown in the tutorial. Be sure to use the webpage that goes with this, I try to answer as many of the pitfalls and issues people run into. Cheers.
@@RCCAD2VR Thank you so much for the help and the quick response!
You're welcome 😀
Hey Terrance, I just attempted to install the DAT spline and after loading as directed into the library, I restarted Fusion and lost my canvas images. I can't find them anywhere
Hi Scott. This is a highly irritating bug in Fusion 360. My canvases disappear visually all the time. If you look in the browser under canvas, the file should still be there. Right click on the file and select replace canvas image file. Then select the same file you used before. This should pop it right back in. That's what I always have to do.
@@RCCAD2VR Thanks for your quick reply...unfortunately that is a "No Joy"....sometimes, Fusion can be an exercise in utter frustration
In fact, it appears I can't download any canvas images now...
I don't quite understand. Canvas are added from your computer, there is nothing to download. Just trying to get clarification. Are you unable to locate the file locally or is the canvas file not in the browser.
@@RCCAD2VR I went ahead and simply acted as if I never downloaded a canvas and that brought the image in. I sized it to the sketch but now I can't increase or decrease the sketch size...grrr....I have to say this all started after I downloaded the DAT spline Add-on so I am now thinking I should remove it and that might solve all these irritating issues....thanks again for a great job....threw you a tip the other day...
السلام عليكم استاذنا الكريم نحن من متابيعك من دولة العراق وانا احببت تصاميمك جدا جدا ولكن نتمنا من جنابكم المحترم اذا امكن ان تعطونا دوس في هذا البرنامج ولك فائق الشكر والتقدير