So obviously Herbert has to win some playoff games to enter another level of discussion, but saying “there are only 3 qbs in the hall of fame without a playoff win” like bruh he’s 26
Herbert’s game in the last week of the season against the Raiders is still the single greatest performance by a quarterback I have ever witnessed. My wife was sleeping next to me and I was literally jumping out of the bed every time he completed a fourth down.
Those throws to those Mickey Mouse Pass catchers in the 4th quarter were amazing, especially on 4th down. People who don't know will scream he had Allen,Williams, Everett....People need to realize that Herbert has to be on the money just for those guys to catch anything, just look at them this year. Allen/Mike/Gerald 500 Yards 3 tds ($36m) Lad 600 Yards 4 Tds ($1.8m)
Herbert is the real deal he's been let down by bad coaches and front office moves, Harbaugh knows what he has and will take him to the promised land. 🎺 📯 🎺 CHARGE! ⚡️⚡️⚡️
They are wrong about Herbert. Consider Burrow this season. Are they going to miss the playoffs because Burrow is bad this year? Of course not, he's playing out of his mind this year, maybe his best season, but you can't do it if you have too many missing pieces. The Bengals are not losing the season because Burrow is not an elite QB...their arguments are silly.
Great point. Burrow is elite regardless of the team around him. Watch just how bad the Bengals would be without him. I hate this stupid QB wins stat. Let's not take into account that Tom Brady, the goat, had an elite defense and head coach almost every year of his career. Herbert has had two awful coaches that deserved to get fired and a bottom 25% defense. He was getting the wins he got DESPITE the dissaray around him.
Stafford is better and has a Superbowl. Lamar is a 2 time MVP. Love Herbert but he is not better than those 2 currently. However now that Herbert has a formidable head coach with Harbaugh everyone will finally see over the next few seasons exactly how excellent Herbert really is. P.S. that loss to Jaguars is more on Staley. He is a defensive minded coach whose defense with the Chargers never even cracked the top 15 overall. Hard to win a playoff game when your defense is bottom tier.
Its wild that we judge a QB more on a 3-4 game post season then we do on a 16-17 game regular season. Like we literally ignore the larger sample size and base their reputation solely on winning in the post season regardless of their actual performance.
It depends. If a QB plays well but is let down by his Defense, smart people don't criticize the QB for that. What is fair is criticizing QB's who regularly Shrink in the playoffs like Lamar Harden
@jasonjanisewski78 but over time no one cares about the details they just care about wins and losses. I've seen brady have 3 INT games and no one cares cuz his team won so we just give him credit and say hes clutch in the post season
@marklumar2034 Casuals may not care but people who follow closely do. For example, Brady's 1st SB his Offense only scored 3 TDs the entire playoffs. That ring he gets minimal credit for
Burrow is in the same situation now that Herbert has been his entire career and nobody is saying burrow isn’t elite. Herbert is like 19-1 in games where his defense allows 20 or less points. Burrow got carried through the playoffs by his defense. If you are gonna say all this bs at least be consistent between players.
Are we still kidding? Why do we yave a bunch of numb skulls still on TV claiming that wins are a QB stat? its not. Herbert is and has been elite. Dan Marino and Peyton Manning struggled to play well in the playoffs and were considered elite. To say Herbert isnt elite when hes done what yes done with the worst o line, defense, and coaching for the first 4 years is insane. Lamar is 2-4 in the playoffs and hes considered elite. Get this morons outta here
If Herbert holds nearly every passing record at this point in his career … yes u can cal him the greatest. Jerry Rice is the greatest because of stats .. Dan Fouts was great , Dan Marino was the great
Caleb sucks, but the bears franchise sucks even worse. So even if this dude has talent, the bears aren't smart enough to put the right coaches around him to pull it out of him
He had one playoff loss atter his defense let the jags score 24 points in the second half, and his o line couldnt block to save his life and williams was out and allen was hurt. To makw these claims is insanw. Wins arent a QB stat
So basically by their logic they would say Joe burrow has been awful this year? The QB wins/losses stat is so stupid, whether it’s for 1 season or over a career
Lamar, Mahomes, Herbert, Burrow and Prescott are the 5 top QBs at present. People talk about Allen, Daniels, Stroud but they aint done nothing and Allen fumbles and throws INTs like a high school kid Lamar and Mahomes still the best through.
9:37 take those same Caleb Williams "passes" or "exceptions" and apply them to them to Herberts playoff game in Jacksonville! His coach let him down. His kicker didn't hit a 40 yrd field goal. Dropped passes, Defensive penalties & tantrums! HIS TEAM LET HIM DOWN IN THE PLAYOFFS!
Caleb has shown 0 Elite Traits: -Lamar, Kyler, etc are far faster and more elusive. -Mahomes, Allen, etc have far stronger arms. -Burrow, Stafford, etc are far more natural within the pocket. -Accuracy... LOL
These guys are totally delusional about Caleb. Just admit you were wrong. He’s not generational. He’s not even the best of the four. He’s about the same as Justin Fields. Pretty good, but not good enough to rally a whole team and that’s what you’re seeing. When oh when is the media going to finally admit that he’s a bust?
Dear God these guys are absolute IDIOTS of the game....Herbert is breaking record after record....Herbert produced winning points in all of the games including the DREADED JACKSONVILLE game, the so called DEFENSE GURU did not produce preventing points....JUSTIN IS AMONG THE GREATEST QBs ever
Herbert should have had another all time choke job vs the bengals. He threw a pick 6 right in Mike hiltons hands and dropped it at the end of the game. It would have capped off a horrendous half and would have lost with a 21 point lead.
And if my aunt had a set of balls she'd be my uncle. Burrow threw an actual pick, not a hypothetical pick, that was wiped out to penalty. If I remember correctly, Herbert threw three dimes (one was dropped) on the last drive and the Chargers won the game. Not sure what your point is, Sean. If you're asserting that Herbert is a choke artist, I'd ask you why only Mahomes has more comeback victories over the last five years. If you're asserting that good QB's don't throw picks, or almost picks, from time to time, I'd say you don't watch much football. If you're asserting that Herbert throws too many picks, I'd say that he has one interception in ten games and has the lowest turnover worthy play rate of all time, beating out Tom Brady.
Burrow is in the same situation now that Herbert has been his entire career and nobody is saying burrow isn’t elite. Herbert is like 19-1 in games where his defense allows 20 or less points. Burrow got carried through the playoffs by his defense. If you are gonna say all this bs at least be consistent between players.
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So obviously Herbert has to win some playoff games to enter another level of discussion, but saying “there are only 3 qbs in the hall of fame without a playoff win” like bruh he’s 26
Herbert’s game in the last week of the season against the Raiders is still the single greatest performance by a quarterback I have ever witnessed. My wife was sleeping next to me and I was literally jumping out of the bed every time he completed a fourth down.
Fr I've never seen a qb will a team like he did that day ever in my life we didn't get that win but still it was amazing
Those throws to those Mickey Mouse Pass catchers in the 4th quarter were amazing, especially on 4th down. People who don't know will scream he had Allen,Williams, Everett....People need to realize that Herbert has to be on the money just for those guys to catch anything, just look at them this year.
Allen/Mike/Gerald 500 Yards 3 tds ($36m)
Lad 600 Yards 4 Tds ($1.8m)
Very impressive..Mahomes beating Eagles on 1 leg is mine, but that SD/LV game was bonkers
@@DogDongDotCom The Linebacker on the Raiders actually got a hand on the ball, but he threw it so hard it knocked the linebackers hand out of the way!
He was amazing! And I am a Raider fan! His coach Staley kept him down!
Herbert is the real deal he's been let down by bad coaches and front office moves, Harbaugh knows what he has and will take him to the promised land. 🎺 📯 🎺 CHARGE! ⚡️⚡️⚡️
That playoff loss wasn’t just bad coaching. He gets some blame for that.
#IWantToBelieve
I don't think people appreciate how dreadful anthony lynn and brandon staley were as head coaches. All time buffoons.
Herbert has been elite since day one!!!!!
They are wrong about Herbert. Consider Burrow this season. Are they going to miss the playoffs because Burrow is bad this year? Of course not, he's playing out of his mind this year, maybe his best season, but you can't do it if you have too many missing pieces. The Bengals are not losing the season because Burrow is not an elite QB...their arguments are silly.
Great point. Burrow is elite regardless of the team around him. Watch just how bad the Bengals would be without him.
I hate this stupid QB wins stat. Let's not take into account that Tom Brady, the goat, had an elite defense and head coach almost every year of his career.
Herbert has had two awful coaches that deserved to get fired and a bottom 25% defense. He was getting the wins he got DESPITE the dissaray around him.
Wins aren't a QB stat but that's never the narrative. Herbert has been elite since he joined the league.
Herbert is at worst the 4th best qb behind Mahomes, Burrow and Allen
The Jackson disrespect is terrible jackson is number 2 only to Mahomes. He's cleaned burrows clock 9-1 against him
Stafford is better and has a Superbowl. Lamar is a 2 time MVP. Love Herbert but he is not better than those 2 currently. However now that Herbert has a formidable head coach with Harbaugh everyone will finally see over the next few seasons exactly how excellent Herbert really is. P.S. that loss to Jaguars is more on Staley. He is a defensive minded coach whose defense with the Chargers never even cracked the top 15 overall. Hard to win a playoff game when your defense is bottom tier.
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@@fozzyozzy1030Lamar did it all by himself, not like he's had an elite team coaches kicker and defense. It's all Lamar 😂😂😂😂😂
Herbert can doing anything Mahomes Allen and burrow can do with ease and Herbert has the best arm talent since Dan Marino!!!! FACTS!!!!
Its wild that we judge a QB more on a 3-4 game post season then we do on a 16-17 game regular season. Like we literally ignore the larger sample size and base their reputation solely on winning in the post season regardless of their actual performance.
It depends. If a QB plays well but is let down by his Defense, smart people don't criticize the QB for that. What is fair is criticizing QB's who regularly Shrink in the playoffs like Lamar Harden
@jasonjanisewski78 but over time no one cares about the details they just care about wins and losses. I've seen brady have 3 INT games and no one cares cuz his team won so we just give him credit and say hes clutch in the post season
@marklumar2034 Casuals may not care but people who follow closely do. For example, Brady's 1st SB his Offense only scored 3 TDs the entire playoffs. That ring he gets minimal credit for
Since you can show still images of the play could you perhaps show 120-150 still images of the play spread out over over 4-5 seconds?
Maybe even speed them up to something that would resemble a moving picture show?!? 🤔 I think we might be onto something!!!
Coaching obviously makes a difference Brady had Bill now Herbert has what he needs
Mahomes, Allen, Jackson, Burrow, Herbert. Thats the 5 NFL qbs teams would want most, period.
Burrow is in the same situation now that Herbert has been his entire career and nobody is saying burrow isn’t elite. Herbert is like 19-1 in games where his defense allows 20 or less points. Burrow got carried through the playoffs by his defense. If you are gonna say all this bs at least be consistent between players.
THANK YOU FOR THE EPIC GRAPHICS !!!
Cause Herbert plays defense ok
Caleb looked great in Sunday’s game. He’s going to be fine. Picking up a first down after being 3rd and 19 was so clutch!
I’ve been saying that Peyton manning is Herbert’s equivalent for two years now. Glad that stat line popped up.
Are we still kidding? Why do we yave a bunch of numb skulls still on TV claiming that wins are a QB stat? its not. Herbert is and has been elite. Dan Marino and Peyton Manning struggled to play well in the playoffs and were considered elite. To say Herbert isnt elite when hes done what yes done with the worst o line, defense, and coaching for the first 4 years is insane. Lamar is 2-4 in the playoffs and hes considered elite. Get this morons outta here
If Herbert holds nearly every passing record at this point in his career … yes u can cal him the greatest. Jerry Rice is the greatest because of stats .. Dan Fouts was great , Dan Marino was the great
Caleb sucks, but the bears franchise sucks even worse. So even if this dude has talent, the bears aren't smart enough to put the right coaches around him to pull it out of him
He had one playoff loss atter his defense let the jags score 24 points in the second half, and his o line couldnt block to save his life and williams was out and allen was hurt. To makw these claims is insanw. Wins arent a QB stat
Trevor Lawrence needs the same thing, A coach that is going to rely on the run rather than his passing ability.
How the fak u get to the playoffs without winning regular season🤦🏻♂️
Caleb's not even going to throw for 100 yd against the Minnesota Vikings so that record ain't falling
Elite Talent. But he gotta get a playoff win at some point lol
I didn't know Herbert played defense........
.....He did score on every last drive and his defense failed him. He had many moments.
Herbert is elite.
Herbert threw for 5000 yards 41 total touchdowns. this is a stupid question
You say talent. I say skill.
Arm strength is 99.9% talent.
3:40 rules were different. Context matters when analyzing data sets
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By that definition, Eli and Young are elite.
So basically by their logic they would say Joe burrow has been awful this year? The QB wins/losses stat is so stupid, whether it’s for 1 season or over a career
here we go!! herbert stays on yalls minds
Yes, Herb is elite.
The bear should go after Lincoln Riley at this point
Lamar, Mahomes, Herbert, Burrow and Prescott are the 5 top QBs at present. People talk about Allen, Daniels, Stroud but they aint done nothing and Allen fumbles and throws INTs like a high school kid Lamar and Mahomes still the best through.
Looking at that schedule, the bears aren't going to win another game this season. I put my life on it
9:37 take those same Caleb Williams "passes" or "exceptions" and apply them to them to Herberts playoff game in Jacksonville! His coach let him down. His kicker didn't hit a 40 yrd field goal. Dropped passes, Defensive penalties & tantrums! HIS TEAM LET HIM DOWN IN THE PLAYOFFS!
I think if Staley wasn’t such an inept HC Herbert probably would’ve won 1 maybe 2 by now
Caleb has shown 0 Elite Traits:
-Lamar, Kyler, etc are far faster and more elusive.
-Mahomes, Allen, etc have far stronger arms.
-Burrow, Stafford, etc are far more natural within the pocket.
-Accuracy... LOL
An elite quarterback is what my eyeballs say an elite quarterback is. Team performance is only part of it
Chargers have no run game and no elite weapons and Herbert still playing at a high level
Use your eyes, dudes.
Imagine asking that lmao. Yes he’s elite
Look at Craig burried into his laptop in moments he shouldn't be
7:10 Caleb
These guys are totally delusional about Caleb. Just admit you were wrong. He’s not generational. He’s not even the best of the four. He’s about the same as Justin Fields. Pretty good, but not good enough to rally a whole team and that’s what you’re seeing. When oh when is the media going to finally admit that he’s a bust?
Needs to get Ws in the playoffs Tua is in the same level as him until he can get it done in the playoffs also
Tua is not in the same league as Herbert
Tua is not even close to Herbert!!!!!!
That was a waste of valuable time
Caleb is a bust. Just like Trey Lance. These "experts" keep hyping average guys and ppl still buy it...
Nerdy dudes picks for the week?
Dear God these guys are absolute IDIOTS of the game....Herbert is breaking record after record....Herbert produced winning points in all of the games including the DREADED JACKSONVILLE game, the so called DEFENSE GURU did not produce preventing points....JUSTIN IS AMONG THE GREATEST QBs ever
caleb is definitely a bust, enjoying how bad caleb actually is
Good thing you have no idea what you’re talking about
Herbert has to make an AFC championship before I start putting him in elite company
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You guys are clowns
Herbert should have had another all time choke job vs the bengals. He threw a pick 6 right in Mike hiltons hands and dropped it at the end of the game. It would have capped off a horrendous half and would have lost with a 21 point lead.
Lotta ifs but the only thing I see is a win
Another dejected Bengals fan😂😂
And if my aunt had a set of balls she'd be my uncle. Burrow threw an actual pick, not a hypothetical pick, that was wiped out to penalty. If I remember correctly, Herbert threw three dimes (one was dropped) on the last drive and the Chargers won the game. Not sure what your point is, Sean. If you're asserting that Herbert is a choke artist, I'd ask you why only Mahomes has more comeback victories over the last five years. If you're asserting that good QB's don't throw picks, or almost picks, from time to time, I'd say you don't watch much football. If you're asserting that Herbert throws too many picks, I'd say that he has one interception in ten games and has the lowest turnover worthy play rate of all time, beating out Tom Brady.
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Burrow is in the same situation now that Herbert has been his entire career and nobody is saying burrow isn’t elite. Herbert is like 19-1 in games where his defense allows 20 or less points. Burrow got carried through the playoffs by his defense. If you are gonna say all this bs at least be consistent between players.