Geodesic dream - 01_Rough
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ธ.ค. 2022
- This is a brief overview of building a geodesic home house that I plan to live in.
The shell comes as a "kit" that a third company @NaturalSpacesDomes78 made, all we needed to do is assemble it. That part was the easiest.
What we didn't know is that pretty much everything else was harder: Foundation was a huge blow in the budget (being made up of so many segments), carpentry was also a challenge. Most carpenters are just plainly used to building squares, so you really need to find someone creative, who sees his job as an art and would dedicate to do it properly and in good taste.
Also you need to have a separate architect. Although NSD (@NaturalSpacesDomes78 ) gives you some partial plans to use for permitting, you also need to add the electrical, mechanical and engineering, general and trade-specific notes, and everything else you might want to add. The pre-made plans don't come with any elevations, any materials schedules, any cross-section views (although I actually chose that as an option, but allegedly they lost their CAD person) etc. You need an architect to complete the plans and guide you through the process. You will likely want to make changes (asking NSD for any changes will take much longer), so an architect will make that possible.
Also the windows are a pain to deal with. I opted to do mostly square windows and build the openings , vs going with a lot of skylights (which are very expensive). I only went with a few skylights on upper parts of the domes.
All of these cost more by quite a bit and it is my opinion that these trades higher costs (foundation, carpentry, flooring, walls and ceiling interiors, roofing etc - both in materials and labor) offset the lower cost of the shell itself. While one part of the system is cheaper, four other parts of the same system are more expensive. The dome house will therefore be more expensive than a conventional built house. Proven fact.
BUT, it does leave you with a stunning two-floor high living area, and a majestic interior and exterior geometry, that will likely leave you breathless . This type of construction is also very energy-efficient and insanely strong, both in windy and snow-loads situations. The hail damage is like any other house, and is mostly a function of the shingles, not the house.
In short, I believe there's a sort of magic around this type of house, and for me it was worth trying it out. But it is painful, and you will need to learn a lot, if you want to have a level of control over the way it will end up look like.
I bought the land in 2020 and worked on this project ever since.
Planning and permiting took almost a year, and the construction up to this point another one. Hopefully another year to finish.
Good luck with your dome project (if you're involved in one) and if you need any advice, just ask and I would be happy to give it. But take it on your own risk; even though I work in the trades, I am kind of a newbie when it comes to being your own GC.
Thank you.
Awesome build video. Concise, no BS. Please do a follow up where you discuss what you have learned !
Yes, I will probably do that in a year or so, although I am not a serious youtuber or anything, just do videos for fun, in the spare time. I guess a way to preserve memories. But I will probably do one more to show the roofing and the interior paneling etc...
This was so fun and educational to watch!! Keep us updated 😄
I built my own dome using the Timberline hub kit. Layed 7" polystyrene slabs on top, had deep V grooves between the panels. Put rebar in the grooves, then covered the entire dome with 1x1 by 14 gauge galvinized wire fence. Hand mixed and hand applied a special low-water concrete mix with fibers in it 2-3" thick. When done, took down the Timberline kit and put it away. I believe you could drive a Mac truck over it and could not tell anything was happening! Super energy efficient. Coated the thing with Elastomeric paint. Oh, I also embedded 5/8" threaded rods at strategic places to hold the ledger boards for the upstairs floor. It is a 40 foot 3/8 sphere on a 4 foot base wall.
Great job on your dome!
Thank you! This might have been a very interesting process, what you did. You've had a cool approach to an already unique style.
Amazing! So much work (into building the house, but also into making the video)👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻❤️
Thanks so much! 😊
Can't wait to see more!
These domes are absolutely beautiful. I look forward to seeing how you finish the roof and what you do for windows and insulation. Best of luck.
Thank you so much! I am trying my best, this is much harder than I thought it would be. MUCH HARDER. Though it does look glamorous when filmed, I must admit :)
Roof will be Reinke Shakes: roman gold for the two domes, slate grey for the riser walls and the verticall walls (connection beteen domes)
All exterior trims will be black (gutters, windows, doors, deck railings). I hope it will look at least decent, since I have no designer in this...
Thank you!
Thank you it truly looks indestructible.
Thank you!
Great video of the process!
Thank you!
Love your professional made video. 👌
Thank you very much!
Amazing! Congratulations!
Thank you, really humbled by all the positive feedback I got. Definitely a motivation to move forward :)
Just the facts, no running commentary with ads. thank you!
Thank you as well!
I'm super excited to find your channel. We're looking to build one.
Let me know if you need more info, as I have learned a lot and it's not all roses :) Good luck!
That is badass!
the way it is filmed is really great !!
Thank you!
HI peter !
i ve been looking into this myself, this video helps a LOT
Thank you, I would be happy to assist if you need more info, as I have learned a lot during the process, and it's not all roses :) Thanks again and good luck!
Superb! Felicitari!
Multumesc!
Amazing!
Thank you!
Felicidades desde Bolivia, los domos geodesicos tienen mucha energía positiva
Thank you!!!
We all eventually find our way!!! You!!!, Have the Right to perform Light!!!
Looking forward to see what you the final cover for the domes will be
I will cover it in Reinke aluminum shingles (or shakes, as they call them.) Roman Gold color.link here:
naturalspacesdomes.com/dome-system/pricing-and-planning/aluminum-shakes/
@@peteram7 Thanks for the reply. That looks like a very challenging roofing job !
I think it will be, but I've seen a nice blog where the owner did it himself. Besides, on the Reinke website, they show 3 ways that you can actually cover the domes. Yes, the element of surprise is always there, but there are definitely folks that have done it, so that's reassuring! Thank you!
OMG, talk about the budget you had available please 😰 I'm talking about all the labor plus the land purchase, permits, plans, engineering, materials, etc. This is a luxury dome by no stretch of the imagination. I hope it brings you joy though 🙏
Thank you! I wanted to do an airbnb originally (was living downtown chicago at the time), and the initial idea was just a smaller dome, not two large ones, but after a while I realized that I want to live there. So I sold my condo and started to build this better version of my initial idea, long story short. But you are right, it gets pricey, quickly.
best way to sort of price it is to go to the manufacturer's page. It just depends on too many variables, like the inside materials and finishes, insulation, roofing choices, earth work needed, type of heating (I did geothermal) labor prices in the area, and a lot, lot more. For example, I didn't hire any GC, and that alone can save you 50-80k on the project. I am hunting on FB marketplace for any deals I can find (interior wood covering, flooring, appliances etc).
naturalspacesdomes.com/dome-system/pricing-and-planning/
great video, and very useful comments...how many livable square feet/metres are in the structure(s)?
I've spent a bit of time in a couple of domes, even built and camped in one over 3+ months, in 6 locations [1/2" tubing, about 12 feet across, 3-frequency 3/8], which worked out great, except that we needed to fix the skin a couple of times. but, the interior feels do different from a 'tent', it's amazing.
Thank you! The main dome is 49' diameter, 1600sqft on the main floor, and 900 sqft on the second floor (that only covers around 5/8 of the dome, the rest is open to above. Then the garage dome is around 1000sqft on the main floor and around 900 on the second floor. The garage dome is a 36' diameter dome. And the connection piece between them is around 200sqft per level. It has the stairs there as well. Thanks again!
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Whoww , very Blessed House , Amazing , Enjoy , Thank You
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NICE
Thank you!
I recognized "Natural Spaces" trussed struts and hubs from the Thumbnail before confirming in the Video description. at 4:25 18-1/4" Superwall, 49' Diam. Great time lapse.
Thank you!
great video!
Thank you! And it fits your channel well, I see :) If you ever want to do a video once about a geodesic dome, feel free to ask, I'll be happy to share. I am not a serious youtuber, and normally I get around 1-200 views - basically friends and family. But apparently this one had a lot of people interested.
@@peteram7 would you like to do an interview collaboration ?
I’m sure a lot of my subscribers would be interested in your work and you’ll grow faster
Sorry for the delay, I can do an interview no problem, I am not looking to grow this channel, this is just for me to keep my memories :) But I am willing to help you in any way I can (interview, resources, links, knowledge). I am very excited about this construction type. Sorry again fro not responding sooner, I don't check these things often. my personal email if you need more direct access is peter@pruneanu.com Thank you!
NSD System, the Best geodezice system. I know. I build it, I live în from 25 years now.
Multumesc!
I've been pipe dreaming about building a house similar to this. Your house looks amazing! What is the Diameter of the domes, and is that a garage door on one of them? How big is the connecting piece?
Hi, the garage dome is a 3v (3 frequency) 36' diamater high profile dome, the main house is a 4v 49' medium profile dome (if you're not familiar with all these options, you can check them all out and more at the company that sold them to me naturalspacesdomes.com, they have a comprehensive website). The connecting piece is 2 story high, as the stairs to get to the upper level is in that connection. That was not supplied, my carpenters built it. Thank you for your interest!
Back in the 1970s I constructed a dome by welding together sections cut from the roofs of wrecked cars. I learned that it's largely a rectangular world as far as dwellings.
That is right, we live in a rectangular world, but this is even more of an opportunity to express ourselves in creative way. It's not easy :) Thank you!
Very cool, Masha'Allah
May God help you
Thank you so much!
OMG WOW
No End
Getting out of the ground is very difficult !!!
Yes, that's right :) Thank you for the thoughts!
That ish is HAWED
Great Video.How do you plan to finish off the outside of the domes?thank you
Thank you! I am doing a metal (AL) shingles roof. My color is "Roman gold" - see link below, third picture down
naturalspacesdomes.com/dome-system/pricing-and-planning/aluminum-shakes/
Geodesic structure are very cool, architecturally, however, I have to seriously question the efficiency of the construction process, the use of internal space, and the difficulties of standard practices (such as drywall, finish carpentry, etc.). Nature does not have right angles, and thus we prefer to live in a home not having right angles. However, all of our construction products are made for right angles and 16 inch on center construction (which is a shame, but economically practical). Beautiful job BTW.
Thank you! You're absolutely right, everything is a pain to put together, when it comes to the shell. I still have to do all the interior paneling and outside roofing, after framing all the windows. Hard, but I do think that will be a very efficient structure (load bearing and such). And the appeal of the unique geometry, of course. Thx again!
Beautiful domes, but wooden domes have historically done poorly. IF you can keep water out they will last, but that's a big if. The only geodesic domes I have seen last a long time have been covered in fiberglass, which raises the price even further. Cost per square foot is far higher than a conventional home and that is before the cost of repairs when/if water gets past your membrane. Repairing these complex structures is very expensive.
I share your concerns. I think they've done poorly (historically) because they were built by hippies. This guy wrapped the whole structure in adhesive-backed, Water and Ice Shield. It should hold up for the life of the roof so long as the origami (overlaps) were done correctly (including around windows). Hopefully the roofing is done just as well, as there is little room for error with a geodesic domes roof.
Dave, I agree with you and Josh. Historically they have been done poorly because of DIY-ers (read hippies, haha). I feel what I am doing is legit construction that should last a long time. I have couple GCs that I constantly take advice from - and my architect. The roofing will be AL shingles from Reinke. Their motto: Roofing for the last time! I was trying to be super-paranoid when it comes to water issues. Yes, windows will also be tricky and I intend to be super careful and do it by the book. Thank you for the good points!
So I guess you wouldn’t recommend considering a dome over a yurt?
Wow this is fabulous!!!! You are living my dream!!!! I’ve always dreamt of interconnected Domes….. You have done a great job!!!! Absolutely fantastic!!🔥👌💕
Great video, I would like to know what is the purpose of this construction, what is its purpose?
Thank you. The purpose is in the description: I am building this house so that I can live inside, it will be my house. Hope it will turn out well. Thanks again!
@@peteram7 thanks
I'm also in the process of building a dome. We are a rare breed.
I went with your first plan: A small one for an air-bnb.
I did a fluid-applied membrane, covered with a metal shingle roof. I think in the future I'd go with a fiberglass roof though. The metal shingles nearly broke me, and was definitely the "f-this" point in my project. I'm in the process of finishing up the interior planking. Looking forward to your next video. I've been filming my process but don't want to upload anything until the project is done.
Wow, rare breed indeed! Yes, the shell-related dome is very demanding and slow...I 'm yet to get to that point this spring, fingers crossed. Would love to see yours as well!
Salutari, buna treaba! Cum se obtine aprobare de a construi asa ceva pe malul Dunarii?
Salutare, multumesc! Pai cred ca trebuie sa unde se aproba constructiile in localitatea ta (probabil la primaria locala?). Tot ce pot spune e ca a fost construit un dom in romania pe valea prahovei, de la aceeasi firma de unde am luat eu. uite link aici.
naturalspacesdomes.com/dome/romanian-dome/
Looks like a 3ft base wall. My husband and I have been interested in domes for many years. Really enjoyed your video (with the volume turned way down). Would love to see how the interior was planned out.
Yes, it's a 3' riser wall, it's better for various reasons that the domes sit on a riser wall. I can send you the interior layout if you want, if you give me an email or propose a way to send it over to you. Basically the smaller dome is housing the garage and work shop at the main level, the main dome has the living space (open to above) , kitchen and the master suite, along with a powder and the office at the main level, and 3 more bedrooms and 2 baths at upper level.
I know, the music is pretty loud, but it keeps the rhythm going. Thank you!
@@peteram7 sounds very nice. 1 Bdrm down and 3 bdrm up. Good size.
Do you think it would be better at resisting a tornado than a traditional house? Does the middle section reduce that resistance?
Hi, thank you for the comment! Absolutely and without a doubt, these domes are the strongest in tornadoes, heavy snow loads, etc. The middle section does not reduce the resistance of the dome (but of course, the middle section is also not as strong as the domes either. Luckily there are very few tornadoes in IL, my main reason that I went with it is for the looks of it, but the strength is surely an added bonus. Thanks again!
@@peteram7 Thanks for the info!
Foarte interesant domnule Pruneanu. Niște detalii? Ce fel de "hubs" ați folosit? Izolația?
Am pus la descrierea videului mai multe detalii, inclusiv compania de la care am cumparat kitul: Naturalspacesdomes.com Pentru izolatie voi folosi closed cell spray foam 3", dublata cu fiberglass batts (ca sa tin costul jos, spuma e scumpa). Multumesc!
А есть видео где диван вплотную к стене двигают или шкаф в таком доме?
Извините, но я не понимаю вопроса. Спасибо за комментарий.
Looks like high risk location for flooding. Specialized and super expensive construction but spectacular home nonetheless less.
Thank you! It's actually around 5' above the historic flood line, and it has no basement. It should be out of trouble :) Thanks again!
May I ask the size of the two domes, the cost of the materials and where you ordered them?😊
Sure thing: the two domes (struts, hubs, plywood) were $84k from Natural spaces domes. But this is just part of the story. The foundation itself was $70k, since it's a complicated one. I highly suggest going to the Naturalspacesdomes.com to find more info. They are the ones that also prepared my plans, etc...Hope this helps!
@@peteram7 Thank you so much!! It helps a lot! And a very nice video you've made!
@@xiaoxionghouzi Thank you!
How much did this cost to build just one dome?
For an feel of the price, I suggest you go to naturalspacesdomes.com and you will see a close approximation, depending on your situation and options. There are hundreds of variables that affects your price, from the amount of earth work needed for the site to your type of finishes and customizations - and everything in between.
А чё второй этаж не показали сборку? самое интересное..
que es esa cosa entre los dos domos? rompio el diseño totalmente, se veia muy bien hasta que aparecio eso.
I am sorry, I only understand English. Thank you for the note.
how much did this dome cost? including labour
I mentioned in the comments, best way to price it is to go to the manufacturer's page. It just depends on too many variables, like the inside materials and finishes, insulation, roofing choices, earth work needed, labor prices in the area, and a lot, lot more. For example, I didn't hire any GC, and that alone can save you 50-80k on the project
naturalspacesdomes.com/dome-system/pricing-and-planning/
@@peteram7 considering your variables in this case what would you estimate the total cost of your build
how much the project costs only one estimate
Please take a look here about all prices...they do a much better job in explaining the associated costs
naturalspacesdomes.com/dome-system/pricing-and-planning/
How is this superior to a standard stick frame? It is not. Tons of joints mean tons of leak opportunities. It's one big complex roof which make roofing more expensive and difficult.
Great points, thank you!
Are you planning on doing a price breakdown for us or can you share you spreadsheets that you have been using? Also, what state and country did you build this in? What kind of business exactly are you in with residential electrical-low voltage trade? security? Do you own it?
Sorry, I don't see the relevance of your questions when it comes to my personal life (such as business and financial info), but perhaps you can explain the purpose of those questions? Thank you.
@@peteram7 It's not about relevance. You are the one posting a video. Can't we ask questions? If you don't like the question then don't answer it. Welcome to TH-cam!
@@luciusgorgo14 Ha, I guess you're right, I am not a youtuber who deals a lot with feedback. I'll follow your advice. It's built in IL, an hour N of Chicago. Thank you.
@@peteram7 I agree w/ you on relevance of some questions. But you'd have to do what is available & what country, state, building codes where you live. I also get the price estimate so we can assume will give us a general idea. Others who post time lapse builds break down most things & if you had a budget & were you under or over & hard to find speciality items. I love the dome. Thank you for sharing.
fair points, thank you! Yes, pricing is almost impossible: what finishes are you doing? is one of the main ones. Price of labor in the area, choices of roofing, insulation, HVAC, plumbing, lighting etc etc etc...all can be an order of magnitude apart.
I mentioned in the comments a link where the ppl can go on for more info. It's the company I bought the domes shells from.
Other than that, my mission is pretty much done :) Again, I'm just a guy who uploaded this more for friends and family, people that I meet in person and explain the details that way. It's just a hobby of mine, and it's not meant to be informative (in retrospect, I should have disclosed that). But I never thought it would generate that much interest outside my circle of people...hope my thought process makes sense.
Thanks again!
naturalspacesdomes.com/dome-system/pricing-and-planning/
This doesn't look like one of those do-it-yourself on the weekend.
Oh, it's totally not.
While raising the shell of the dome is totally diy (basically a large-scale lego) for the rest of it you gotta rely on professional companies.
awesome! wall 400mm?
462. (18")
What is the size of it?
The garage dome is a 3V (3 frequency) 36' high dome, the main house is a 4V 49' mid dome. You can find a lot more info about the various options from the company that supplied them to me, naturalspacesdomes.com Thank you.
@@peteram7 If 36 and 49 refer to their diameters, the floor area of the two domes (not including center connector or lofts) is about 3,000 square feet.
I'd rather have a monolithic dome. Fireproof, insect proof, tornado proof, etc.
Great, there are different products for different people, this type was my choice for a variety of reasons. Monolithic domes are great as well!
Sheeting.
Thank you for the keen observation. Spot-on.
Tremendo gasto en hormigón...
Para una mierda hecha en madera....
En fin....El que puede...puede..
En el bayou.....
Te encargo el otro gasto en preservar esa madera...
Lamento que te sientas así. Para mí, esto es lo más emocionante. ¡Gracias por compartir tus pensamientos!
Ah yes, the old Geodesic dome . the most monumental waste of space ever invented .
I am sorry that you feel that way, but I respect it. Of course, my personal point of view is much different. Thank you for your honest thought.
@@peteram7 Buckminister is rolling in his grave, lol. Domes have the most volume for surface area. It may be a pain to build but the benefits will reward you for the rest of time.
You built it too close to the water.
I think it will be fine. It is around 6' over the historic flood line, and has no basement. That's a good point though, surely may look this way from the video . Thank you.
ya, they want a LOT of money for those kits, can't you build one yourself a lot cheaper
You can purchase just the hubs from them and cut all the lumber yourself. They will give you templates. It is a lot of work though. Those hubs are genious though and worth their money. They hold a patent on them.
@@peteram7 they're hinged aren't they? have you got a vid of putting the segment together?
You absolutely can, if you have the knowledge and time.
@@embededfabrication4482you can go on naturalspacesdomes.com to see how they’re done.
This is too depressing
With it's singificant carbon footprint, the amount of concrete used in this project detracts from it's over all appeal. To me anyway.
Thanks for the feedback, but I don't really understand your point. Any house uses concrete foundations, so I agree with you, there is no less carbon footprint, and I don't think anybody claims it to be...