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- A (slightly) more restrained look of what the next round of planning and construction after Measure M might look like, updated to account for what we know now in 2022.
Final map from the video: i.imgur.com/b1...
When I'm not slowly losing my mind pondering the future, I produce and edit documentaries. Check out Behind the Curve, available to rent or purchase on Amazon, iTunes, and Google Play, and keep an eye out for The Thief Collector, whose release plans will be announced soon.
LA honestly needs something that goes all the way down the I-405. Take it from Irvine to the “Green Line” and ensure it connects to LAX well.
That would be incredible.
Irvine is a different County. Not going to happen because Orange county is not transit friendly.
Of all the cities to be a transit advocate, LA is probably the hardest. Keep soldiering on man.
I am still wondering on what are we going to do with A (Blue) Line's loop-around. I'm suggesting they should break up the loop, double track it, and bring the line down to Seal Beach.
You've got my vote
The homeless crisis basically killed any hopes for new rail construction for the foreseeable future. Why do ya think Metro's Artesia Line is pushed back to 2041? If no new tracks were laid since covid began, they wont be for a long time.
@@sweetmapleleafs WTF are you even talking about? I was only giving out a suggestion about the A line's loop track lmao
@@sweetmapleleafs how does homelessness = no funding for transit? I’m actually curious at the logic
@@LuckyFlanker13 I think they're hinting at the public's perception that transit = mobile homeless encampment. I will say that I would expect hell to freeze over before Seal Beach agrees to any metro light rail.
Always dreamed about an underground subway/light rail along Ventura Blvd. connecting the edge of Calabasas to Universal City. That whole commercial corridor in the Valley could be interconnected finally. Probably never happen because of the residents living in that area are the types who would never support public transit, but one can dream. . .
when I moved to Northridge in '07, this was my DREAAAAAM. Finding out that the Orange Line was originally supposed to be a subway extension of the Red for a one-seat ride across the valley into downtown broke my little heart. LA really is the city of broken dreams!
@@adamglinder you can blame valley residents for that. Now, all these years later, they're clamoring for rail service. I guess the old NIMBY farts against rail died off.
Im from boston, But I enjoy seeing these videos alot. I would hope LA would actually get an appropriate rail and bus network. it's one of the cities that definitely deserves one.
Is there a way you can make a video around the SGV/Montebello area? I live here and would love a more in depth video about future projects coming to the area
Vernon City and Commerce City would greatly benefit from a couple of train lines to go through those cities. There are a lot of factory workers who commute to those cities everyday to work and there is little to no public transportation. 13:35 You can see in the map that those places are pretty neglected.
Commerce has a free bus system with 4 lines throughout the city. One of those lines goes to Union Station if I'm not mistaken.
There will also be an underground station of the approved Gold line extension located at the Citadel Outlets. I wouldn't be surprised if Commerce extends their free bus service to connect to a WSAB station going forward.
Oh, and Commerce currently has a Metrolink station too.
Commerce has 10,000 residents. Vernon has like 100. They are two very different cities. Commerce has several approved and proposed residential housing developments in the works too.
Bravo! excellent video and presentation. In this “future” iteration, it looks like this would be when many of LA’s major transit corridors get service, as opposed to old RR ROW’s. I love the BRT Express idea between Pasadena and Burbank. It’s a great way to stitch together access across very long distances that are in demand. I’m also loving the other BRT corridors. I do think there is a need for more BRT in central Los Angeles like along 3rd or Beverly, Olympic, and La Brea. All of these are in the densest residential and employment part of LA County.
I’m not too enthusiastic about Burbank Airport. I know lots of people want that connection, but I don’t think it’s worth it. Maybe w light rail but definitely not w the heavy rail. LA Metro’s ridership projections for LAX is 2200 riders/day. Chicago O’Hare station pre-Covid ridership was 11,019. BART SFO: 5,268. BART Oakland Airport: 1,005. So, I wouldn’t be surprised if Burbank Airport didn’t perform any better than a standard LA bus stop.
It would make more sense for the Red Line, instead of going to Burbank Airport, to either take over the Orange Line across the San Fernando Valley or to continue north along the east San Fernando Valley to San Fernando or even maybe to Santa Clarita. I would also like to see the Red or Purple line make the trip out to El Monte rather than light rail. The El Monte transit hub serves 25,000 daily (according to Metro).
I know some don't like the idea of interlining rail services but, interlining is successfully done in many of the world’s busiest metros. It’s more complex operationally but it’s very common and without problems.
Building wye connections shouldn’t be a deal breaker either. Wyes are as common as interlining. In most cities w long term master plans, building in the provisions for the wye when they build the initial line, makes it all so much cheaper to finish later on. Of course, that would require a commitment to a well-thought-out long-range plan which LA Metro has proven to be incapable of.
But this map you’ve made hits all the major corridors that Metro is missing. I'm loving it. Once these connections are available is when people will have a high likelihood of living car free.
Blah blah, how do you get around in Burbank n Pasadea.
Wait, driving.
Train lovers just love to drive n hate public transportation.
I lived in Pasadena for 2 years. I lived in Burbank for 2 years. All because of work. The companies would never hire me if I didn't move.
Gold line n your selfish interline rail does not help
When do we start lobbying for that Dodger stadium station?
YESTERDAY. I feel like the moment they figure out how to get WSAB to LAUS, what once was "Eco-Rapid Transit" will be discussing the Glendale inevitability.
I don't think such is likely any time soon. I am curious to see if the gondola can get built. I believe it's funded, so the only thing that can stop it is neighborhood opposition and lawsuits. Yeah low capacity, but Dodger Stadium really is all by itself there, and a through line as shown in this video seems unlikely, at least for a decade or three.
@@Geotpf lobbying can start any day tho. the earlier the lobbying the earlier the line.
I'd honestly love to see you just go crazy, realism be damned. Seeing what you can do with so many limitations, it's encouraging.
It's nice to dream, I really hope we see these changes in my lifetime.
Meanwhile over here I'm very silently going *"they're s-still going to build the LA s-streetcar, r-right?"*
I really hope so. There are so many more people living in DTLA now that would benefit tremendously. It would also help with first/last mile connections to regional connecter stations and subway stations.
We need a light rail on SR CA19 Rosemead/Lakewood Line from Pasadena to Cal State Long Beach. Call it the R Line. A Slauson Line from Fox Hills Mall to Uptown Whittier would be good too.
I mean all this (with all BRT being rail instead) should have existed since the 80s but hey it's a start.
best TH-cam channel
Loving these videos. I hope LA will do their part in educating people about the routes... I used to walk from Union Station to Convention center because I didn't know a subway route and tram to Pico existed. Google maps isn't helpful either, I was curious if they had improved after 4 years but nope. Try Buena Park metrolink station to LA Convention Center. Its routing is ridiculous. Instead of taking the MetroLink OC line/91 Perris Valley Line directly to Union, it wants me to go back to Fullerton and wait 2 hours for the AmTrak train. Also it doesn't have a clue about the Pico light rail/tram. Google Maps has me walk a mile when the pico exit just is a couple yards.
LA Metro has their own transit app now.
I like your thought experiments about planning future transit. I live in a place (Texas) where financing transit is extremely hamstrung by state law. It's virtually impossible to get funding for anything. The state provides zero, and agencies can only use one of two slices of sales tax to finance themselves. After that, loans and federal funding are the last remaining hope. It's really, really difficult to emphasise how maddening it is to see other places in the US which actually have additional means to finance transit. If there's a place that can make most of your dream a reality, you're living there.
Residents of both LA city and LA County voted several times to increase sales taxes to fund transit projects. Where there is a will, there is a way.
Here in Dallas it's somehow feels more dire, we really are fucked
@Nandert IDK what you do for a living, but i was curious, what's the logistical issues of adding stations to existing Heavy or Light rail lines? Is it even possible, if so, would they have to shut down the line the whole time, or could 95% of it be done without disruption to the current Line, except for those final connection bits at the end?
If you are talking infill stations, depends on the type of rail. At grade is easy. Elevated is harder. Subway is hardest.
@@Geotpf I suppose I am. Though I have noticed depending on the type of station the tracks tend to widen just before/after stops so I assumed it would probably be a lot of disruption. But wasn’t sure if there were ways to mitigate it. I’ve never seen projects just add stations. Example even though started during previous construction the stop at the airport on the Crewshaw line will delay the opening of the southern 2 stops for another year. So seems like there wasn’t a way to continue construction while finishing the station which is at-grade I think. Could be elevated but I don’t think it’s like the constellation station, where there is an intersection for that need. So something like adding stops to the heavy rail underground like Purple or Red lines wouldn’t be Feasible or would it?
@@Geotpf in conjunction to the first reply, a lot of the older stations will need now or very soon upgrades anyways, one by one I’m sure, and some areas are more dense now than 20-30 years ago. So some older lines may benefit for an additional stop in places where times have changed to utilize them. Or to just simple upgrade the station and carve out a second entrance/exit. Maybe downtown have 2 ways down but not only the Red Line at Highland only as the 1! When it’s highly used and in the middle of slow foot traffic. Which could benefit from another entrance to the east future into walkable Hollywood or to the west to get around some of the people and frame that events/mall area, hell, even to the south down highland to get close to the sunset bus stops and new sky scrapers that are on their way around the Crossroads of the World development and others.
@@Geotpf sorry for the 3rd but this is a great example. Say they do the extension of the Crenshaw line north through WeHo and they don’t do the stop on SMB at La Cienega, it’s underground but this is light rail, would adding a stop in a decade or two after its’ finish be possible or work easier being light rail?
Great video, really looking forward to the next one.
I'm glad we were both wrong about Moore v. Harper. Low bar, but I'm glad.
I would much rather see more north-south lines between the E and D or B lines.
how do you make your maps? I wanna make my own dream LA Transit Project maps. Also, have you ever partnered with any non-profits or advocacy groups that might raise the profile on these projects or increase pressure to speed up timelines? I'd love to get involved, or even just get a better idea of why a bus lane network that's already planned out will take 40 years to implement thoroughly
another enjoyable dream session! Still sad about that Santa Monica Blvd corridor... :( Thanks for sharing, Nick!
This deserves many more views
Completion Timeline: Anyone alive in 2022 to watch this video will be long gone
Wooo. New Nandert!
It would be great if the Crenshaw like extended all the way into Orange country and connected with the Terminus of the I-405 there along with Irvine Station.
exwhat is moore vs harper.
Pretty good video but I feel like there’s should be more rail or BRT in the San Fernando Valley. Some of the streets in the are wide enough to put in a train or brt that will run through across the valley. I feel like it could be a straight line on whatever street that rail is located. Like Ventura for example, I know you already have a BRT there but heavy rail train will be perfect for that Street and it could connected to other lines that are in existence, being built or planed, and possibly thought out like having lines going north and south of the valley. There’s a lot of people who live in the valley now and so much of them would like it if it’s easier to get to places without driving
Jesus Christ. I knew LA was sprawling but I didn't know it was this bad. What a nightmare!
LA's boundaries have existed for decades and decades. The sprawl has always been there. The difference now is that the entirety, of that long ago set boundary, is filling in. Same goes for LA County which is even bigger. LA City resides within LA County.
8:31 Finally the metro station prophesied in Janet Jackson's All For You video gets on the map! Metro can save time & money by using the design from that video.
oh how i am crying internally seeing the final map. What could've been. But no. People had to just choose dirty noisy freeways.
I think the South Bay region needs a connection to LA Harbor and then further to Downtown Long Beach. Further OC should also link up to DT Long Beach. Making DT Long Beach a sort of Union Station South.
I'd dream of an infill station at Del Mar Ave on the 10 with a two sided platform and the associated passing loop. This would allow for shorter headways on the San Bernardino line that is currently constrained to 30min + headways by the long single track section along the 10. The non-express lane on/off ramps could be closed for more space if needed as they are are redundant with the ramps at New Ave and San Gabriel Blvd 1/2 mi east and west.
...oh and an infill at San Dimas on the San Bernardino line.
Why are you avoiding interlining? There’s multiple points where Metro could save money by just using existing ROW, like using the E-Line’s Below Ground Alignment for the X(Rose Bowl) Line. It would naturally increase frequencies without technically adding trains like how BART does it. BART saves money on frequencies that way too.
I recently rode the metro from Long Beach to LA to Hollywood, and then Universal studios with an out-of-town guest. And the demographics of the people riding the metro are probably not the ones watching this video. And the ones watching this video probably do not feel comfortable, riding the metro. we witnessed illegal activity on every single train and every single platform. The trans were filthy with trash, food, scraps, and urine. I even found a spoon on the seat that somebody had just used to cook heroin. This system really needs to be cleaned up before we spend billions of dollars expanding it.
Amtrak needs to spend 80% if their budget lobbying to congress
Writing in nandert on my next ballot
Don’t mind me as a go and figure out what the fuck Moore v. Harper is
I know this sounds expensive but I think that it could be a big improvement to upgrade the downtown LA-long beach line to a subway. Possibly as a red line extension from Arts District. And then instead having the Santa Ana line run through the regional connector tunnel to the foothills.
Why not Long Beach public transportation as good as the one in financial district. Wait, most parts of DTLA have terrible public transportation. All you care just stupid trains that require cars
@@commentorsilensor3734 you can chose to make up whatever crap you want but public transportation works. It will most definitely take cars off the road as it would connect to large centers like LAX
@@TysonIkeas a 4 decade public transportation rider, your crap statement makes no sense. In the past three decades, the rail projects do not benefit non car drivers. Let me guess, you drive to train stations. Even worst, you drive miles to find free parking spaces . Don't give crap you take buses 100%. I talked to many of them. They fantasize that trains will take them everywhere with minimum walking to destinations. Funny when the bus service cut, the train lovers applauded. That's not surprising. Train lovers want to kill public transportation . The people who claimed they take buses n argued with me don't complain.
LA public transportation is so bad because people like you.
What happens is non car drivers stop complaining. No one cared. We don't complain. People like you and OP and this TH-camr keep killing LA public transportation
@@commentorsilensor3734 the problem with busses is they don’t attract riders. Trains do because they are faster, cleaner, and way more reliable. The idea that improving rail infrastructure ruins public transportation has been proved wrong time and time again. Also trains are not supposed to take everyone out their cars. LA’s footprint and density is too low in most places to do that. What needs to happen is a shift in new developments and repurposing land around rail lines to be higher density housing/offices without parking. Also as a train lover I have never been a fan of cutting bus service other than when unneeded political routes to nowhere are cut. And I bike daily to the train station in my city. And measure M has a ton of bus improvements and new bus lanes. Also your are such a backwards person to believe that improving speed, reliability, and frequency is hurting public transportation. Think before you talk
@@TysonIke I read measure R and M. I gave high hope on R. Most of non car drivers believed building rails would improve local public transportation especially from and to train stations. It turned not only local bus service got cut, the bus services around train station are totally junk. Besides DTLA, see how far you can go on Gold line. I love train lovers said trains are efficient because trains don't stop every where. HELLO, how do you get around between each station. Oh, I got it cars. Rails are expensive. Rails cannot go everywhere. Good bus services must need. Both M n R fail that. I know that. In many parts of LA, it used to be 2 30 frequency buses. After improvement, 1 30 minute frequency bus and 2 1 hour frequency buses. For past 30 years, every improvement means more suffer for non car drivers. The only time you cut bus services is train pretty much align with bus routes n stop like buses. Oh train lovers hate that. Go to Asia, that's what happens. It still has duplicate bus services, so people want to save money take buses. In LA, there are no duplicate routes.
In Washington DC suburb such as Pentagon City n Crystal City, there are many connected buses. There are so many that people confused. To New Yorkers n Asian, DC PUBLIC transportation is terrible. Your forward rail only system is just dumbest idea, but plenty of people like you, so LA just care about you
Public transportation means help who cannot drive, who cannot afford to drive, who don't want drive, who has problems driving. It also helps car drivers if their car are broken.
If the design is people driving to train stations, American will continue to drive even if gasoline rise to 100 dollars a gallon. That will not happen, American love to drive that train lovers can't give up even for working. They wi.l start bring the gun n storm to white house if gasoline reach so high. BTW, Obama energy secretary Chu said Can American not driving in the weekday? What he meant was can American walk to bus stops, take buses trains to work. He knew the answer. Train lovers like you think that's backward idea. This backward has implemented by your train friendly countries, Japan, France, UK, German. Oh, you guys are blindside by train only.
The only thing is our infrastructure are dense. Pasadena, WLA, Culver City are dense. except Colorado Blvd n Venice Blvd, walk is faster. I walked in those area. In those areas, if you don't want mise appointment, take Uber. Many parts of DTLA are denser. They are worst than Culver city. How does M work, oh if you talk resurrect some cut services as the result of M, you fail me. My experience is improvement only improve car drivers n hurt non car drivers. Thank you for destroying LA transit system
By the time the Crenshaw Line extends north into WeHo and connecting to the 'Red' Line (fuck the Alphabet renaming,) I think Hollywood with their many many skyscrapers planned just within this decade might not only need that stop at La Cienega/SMB but potentially one at La Brea/Sunset. As we could see another downtown-like density coming very soon for the area at large (not like Century City where it is all spread out.) It's actually 4 blocks away from the current Highland/Hollywood stop, for which foot traffic is slow because of the number of people out and about. Or i suppose if there was a station improvement instead that dug out addition entrances for the Red and Crenshaw Line, a 2nd one to the west on Hollywood, and a 3rd to the south near sunset on Highland. (Makes more sense than dead-ending at Hollywood Bowl until it's continued North one day.
Also, concerning that area, how would the La Cienega BRT continue to Sunset? I honestly don't know if buses can make it up that hill to sunset on La Cienega, and if so the turn would still be an issue, as well as, idk if the city of West Hollywood would want their Sunset Blvd looking different with those BRT lanes drawn on the road, plus it's very dense and packed with traffic. If anything, they would eliminate the part-time parking on Fountain, and put the BRT in the second lanes. (That is against my bias of wanting a good massive transit solution on the Sunset Blvd. I travel east and west, and I hate the Hollywood blvd and Sunset blvd buses. They traffic is always messed up from events. The Grauman's Chinese or Egyptian Theatres, El Capitan (Disney) Theatre, Dolby Theatre, Hollywood Bowl performances, parades, marathons, etc. all that and they dont even have wide side walks on Sunset and Hollywood Blvd for a lot of the stretches. Not to mention, no bike lanes. One day im sure Hollywood will shut down the road on Hollywood between Highland and La Brea (which creates an even worse issue for Franklin for drivers going south through Hollywood from the North off the 101.)
I think the ideal scenario for the WSAB would be to tie it into the northern section of the A line so as to TAKE IT OVER COMPLETELY, and then merge the two lines at Slauson while abandoning the Washington Ave jog, thereby creating two separate lines -- the A going north/south with a branch towards Santa Ana, and the E going east/west -- that don't interact except for the transfer at Little Tokyo, no interlining necessary. This would preclude fixing the curve at Flower St, as well as eliminate the proposed (and redundant) 4th track along Long Beach Blvd. Overall much cheaper than current plans, while actually providing more service and eliminating two at-grade junctions. Operations before electronics before concrete.
Honestly I don’t know how we would acquire the infrastructure funds in the near term without reaching out to foreign sources as the Federal government is… 😬
Would be really interested in a similar version of this but for what future bart/other bay area transportation projects would make sense to tackle next
the biggest problem here may not be the lack of federal funds, but the extraordinarily ineptitude of LA Metro when it comes to costs. Compare LA or broadly American costs to Swedish, South Korean, Spanish, Italian, or even French costs. We just spend orders of magnitude more money to build rail transport. It's disgusting. If LA Metro (and broadly Americans in general) can learn from these other countries, maybe import some of their planners and engineers, we can hope for a map (and other maps for this country) like this to become a reality. 50 billion is a crazy sum of money. The problem is not that the sum is too small, but that we waste the money.
All those countries you mention nationally fund their public transit to a much higher degree than we do in the USA. That is the main reason they build faster
In LA it's not that it can't be built faster. It can. But it isn't because the funds are not there. These projects are funded with sales taxes collected every year so projects have to wait in line until the funding is available. If LA got substantial federal funds, many of these lines could start construction next year.
BTW, the cost of building is not as different as you think. Remember, that a city like LA is geographically much larger than most if not any city in Europe.
@@mrxman581 I would agree if the subways built by federal funds (how SAS was paid for, among other US transit projects) did not cost so damn much either. American costs are quite literally the highest in the world, and it's not because we have to build more subways. the cost per mile here is absurd--NYC has the highest costs in the world, and our costs here in new york are 20 times higher than madrid. 20!! This isn't a problem of us underfunding expansion, it's a problem of the expansion being so costly that we don't have enough money to build what we wanted. Imagine if you could build 20x the amount of subway than you currently do, or even 10 or even 5x--american cities would suddenly be a lot more transit oriented. If you're curious about American construction costs and why they're such a problem, I'd recommend checking out some academic literature like the Transit Costs Report done by Alon Levy, Marco Chitti and others at NYU Marron. fascinating stuff.
@@Aviation12 Construction costs can be higher here because of a number of laws and regulations but it doesn't mean the costs aren't justified at times. But it's also true that public transit is not supported here at the levels they do in Europe and Asia. There is a huge difference. The USA also spends many many times more in funding our military than any other country in the world. All those trillions of dollars that could be spent on public transit across the country including HSR. We also don't build any transit infrastructure equipment in the USA. The trainsets and technology we use in the USA come from Europe or Asia. No home grown stuff at all. We pay more for it as a consequence. The USA has been so lacking with modern public infrastructure for decades it's embarrassing whether it's airports, local public transit, national train system, and HSR. Though it's encouraging to see the Biden administration finally increase federal funding for public rail transit projects, but even that amount is no where near enough to keep up with the rest of the modern world let alone surpass them.
@@mrxman581 we're spending billions to rebuild LGA, and LAX. We're spending money on airports. and as per my point, if NYC had spanish construction costs it could build 20x the subway miles it currently builds, so there's no underfunding here. we also don't have more laws or regulations--Turkey and Spain, both low cost construction countries (even when adjusting for PPP,) use our same fire codes, what's frequently cited as making NYC costs so high.
@@Aviation12 as a percentage of our national GDP, the USA spends a lot less than most modern European and Asian countries. The USA spends about 1% of it's GDP towards public transit. Spain spends about twice that at around 2% of their GDP. It's not even close considering we have the largest economy in the world and yet our airports, trains, and public transit have sucked by comparison for a very long time. It's only in the last 10 years that we have started spending. A clear example of that is the USA still doesn't have a true dedicated high speed rail system like they have in many other countries.
The major problem is that private railroad companies still own most of the rail in the USA and they will always give freight service preference over passenger service. Private railroad companies abandoned passenger service in the 1970s and conned the federal government into creating Amtrak which has never been adequately funded.
Another issue with costs in the USA is we have a higher standard of living and therefore jobs pay more here too. People from all over the world come to work in the USA because they know they will be better paid. That is especially true with highly skilled positions. The kind of jobs required to build public infrastructure like airports and rail systems. So, yes, it cost more to build in the USA but most of that higher cost is more than justified.
Why do they always bring up the climate change bs?
Climate change isn't bs though.
@@danielkelly2210 It's as real as unicorns, cvd19, and the tooth fairy.
@@areguapiri true believer aye? Well buddy hope you have a good day! /s
@@danielkelly2210 I use to think that, then I realised most climate change policies are for controlling us more than the weather.
Hello Nick! As a transit planner, I am wondering how you create the regional map animations?
Another fantastic video. I'd be really interested in a behind the scenes on how you make and animate the different maps too
+1 what software do you use to create the maps?
Amazing as always. Would love to see how metrolink will change too, beyond just the harbor subdivision to the airport. Electrification is obviously gonna be huge, massively increasing speeds; we could effectively turn the Ventura county line in the valley into rapid transit, for instance. Also would be incredible if beyond the LINK US run-through tracks at Union, we could get a metrolink RER-style tunnel through downtown, stopping at 7th metro. Imagine a one seat ride between Claremont and 7th / Metro, or Fullerton and the Burbank airport. Or if we went truly crazy, doubling on the harbor subdivision between el segundo and long beach, and offering an RER style service between downtown long beach, the airport, downtown, and union station, onto like riverside
also, spicy take: we should extend the S line past LAX and into el segundo, which would make for a great second downtown.
Cool vid. The doomer shit was kinda cringe but besides that, interesting stuff.
Awesome video as always. You should start a patreon, your work is super important and I'd love to support.
Also, that animation of the line under Dodger Stadium was dope. Can't image how long it takes you to edit these things.
LA needs to also make significant changes to their car oriented land uses. Metro continues to build stations that are oriented to drivers, and not people walking to the stations. Higher density housing is very much needed to make these transit routes successful.🚍🚅🚉
Building more metro lines is nice. but a big issue is city planning. LA needs to start to build things around each metro stations. So people can just get off the metro and walk to places.
It would only take about 100,000 people moving to Wyoming to take it over...that's doable.
One line I would add is a Red line subway extension to East LA under Whittier Blvd that would connect to the underground Gold line extension station at Whittier and Atlantic. I believe this subway line was originally proposed but got cut when local subway funding was stopped and we got the Gold line light rail instead.
Here's my two cents: future rail projects will never reach their full potential until Los Angeles finally starts to seriously densify itself, especially along the rail lines. I live near the Orange Line in the North SFV, and I barely see anyone ride it because there's NOTHING near the stops!! It's all just industry.
Also all of the underground light rail stops and most of the busses smell like portapotties. They invest in sanitation and their janitorial staff
Densification around transit nodes is intricately linked to solving the housing crisis and feeding the future of rail. But sanitation and safety is the biggest concern right now because it’s causing an immediate decline in ridership. At the same time it needs more frequent reliable service and right of ways.
As someone who lives near the A Line I see a ton of passengers despite lower density. I wish the line had more grade separations to speed up the line and make it more reliable. Only then should the areas around the station be up zoned.
As someone from Chicago, I'm jealous of the long-term public transportation plans LA is getting. While we're upgrading rail infrastructure on the red and purple lines and extending the red line (which starts construction in 2025 and opens 2029), our long range plans feel almost nonexistent.
Low-hanging fruit and long-term goals for the CTA (Orange Line to Ford City, Yellow Line to Old Orchard, Circle Line) have essentially been abandoned. The city has been looking into an Ashland BRT (and one possibly for Western too) which hasn't seen action since... 2013. And that's not even mentioning Metra, but at least they're upgrading their coaches. That, and there's the Illinois High-Speed Rail Commission.
Everybody is leaving Illinois! No point in expanding the rail network when there will be fewer people to use it.
Illinois lost ~12k people but Chicago gained population
wake up babe, new nandert dropped
I would love to see a sister channel that talks about land-use changes in the coming years. What will be upzoned and when and how this changes city revenue, real estate, demographics, housing shortage, etc.
Light Rail to Disneyland when?
Thanks for making another great video! I think it would be great if there was a rapid metrolink (like the LAX/slauson proposal) to Long Beach running parallel with the A line. That way commuters from the Valley/Palmdale/Ventura could directly go to Long Beach.
need the 2023 version♡
St. Louis and Kansas City do not have our land use figured out to do anything but sprawl. - signed from St. Louis.
I’d love to see this all get done by 2028 but that’s literally impossible
Would like to see the L (Gold) and C (Green) lines eventually extend into Orange County. as well as the Crenshaw line further south from CSULB
That's a different county. That's up to Orange county not LA county.
Why is Rail to River a good project? It seems like they're throwing away a potentially valuable rail corridor for a weird "park" which has minimal actual green space.
To be clear, I’m not criticizing the project - I’m genuinely curious what its value is, since pretty much all I’ve seen about it is from Metro press releases.
I think it has opportunity. It's creating a nice green space in a lower income neighborhood that could really benefit from it. Especially if Metro allows space for the street vendors and pop ups already in the area.
@@renaes2807 that makes sense. I guess the bigger concern in my mind is getting rid of the rail corridor. Or is it just much less useful for transit than I think it is?
@@samuellush Yeah a lot of what Renae said, plus the city needs a lot of active transportation infrastructure too, so anywhere they can build that is still good utilization of space. I think one of the big concerns is that, if it were used for a Union-LAX express line, it would essentially take that space from the neighborhood without serving it, which is adding insult to injury on an already underserved neighborhood. And a Slauson LRT line is so far into the future that utilizing the space now is better than letting it sit for 40 years. And who knows, you could probably still build an elevated track in the ROW over the green space. Metro still owns it.
@@nandert Makes sense. Did they ever consider building a cut-and-cover tunnel as part of this project, at least to future-proof the corridor? I imagine building stuff like that now, while the corridor is derelict, would be much easier and cheaper than doing it later.
And honestly I'm surprised it wasn't a bigger priority for HSR. The LAX connection, plus a closer station for the Westside/South Bay, seems like it would be super valuable for the HSR network.
Also, is LINK US actually happening at some point?
@@samuellush Seeing as CAHSR can't really happen without Link US, I'd say it's relatively higher on the list of things likely to happen.
Your so optimistic. Future federal funding will probably be divided into more cities. Where LA will get a fraction of what the get now.
I think LA's best bets in the future. Is to better interconnect other metropolis cities. Like Las Vegas, San Diego, San Francisco, Palm Springs, Phoenix to Los Angeles. Where LAX wouldn't be able to expand in the future, based on space.
You're in your mid to late 30's? I thought you sounded like a 20 year old University student, I was way off!
So excited for the video on High Speed Rail! Looking forward to it and great content, so far :)
Honestly, I think there needs to be a rail that go through the Cahuenga Pass. Essentially a Commuter Express replacement for the 422, but for connecting the valley to the Los Angeles Basin. Like above ground. If the freeways can downsize in the future (plus there is plenty of room,) than the current constant widening. Plus, like in the last video with Freeway Caps near Union Station, Hollywood has also talked about them, so they could be done in conjunction with park additions/improvements.
Stops next to Freeway near:
{1} Western -between- South Ent. @ SMB & North Ent. @ Lexington (with OPTIONAL park cap between bridges,)
{2} Bronson -between- South Ent. @ Sunset & North Ent. @ Hollywood (with OPTIONAL park cap between bridges,)
{3} Franklin *OPTION #1 -between- East Ent. @ Gower & West Ent. @ Argyle *OPTION #2 -between- East Ent. @ Argyle(or)Vine & West Ent. @ Ivar Park(or)Cahuenga,
{4} Hollywood Bowl/The Ford -between- South Ent. @ Odin Street & North Ent. @ Cahuenga Terrace (with *OPTIONAL some of 'The Bowl' parking turned into parks,)
{5} Cahuenga Blvd -between- South Ent. @ Barham & North Ent. @ El Paseo De Cahuenga Park,
{6} Ventura Blvd -between- South Ent. @ Lankershim & North Ent. @ Campo De Cahuenga (street) (which would integrate with their Mass Transit make over for the Red Line Station, Pink Route Terminal, Bus Stops, Park-N-Ride Lots, of which are right next to South Weddington Park & Campo de Cahuenga Site,)
{7} Vineland -between- South Ent. @ Acama St/Whipple St & North Ent. @ Moorpark (with *OPTIONAL improvements to the Central Branch Tujunga Wash,)
{8} Tujunga Ave/Valley Village Park -between- South Ent. @ Hudson St. & North Ent. @ Magnolia (with *OPTIONAL improvements [continued] to the Central Branch Tujunga Wash & the surrounding parks with potentially underground parking added while doing improvements to the parks & over Freeway walk/bike way connector,)
{9} Colfax/Orange Line -between- South Ent. @ Chandler & North Ent. @ Burbank Blvd,
{10} NoHo West [on] Laurel Canyon Blvd -between- Oxnard to the South & Erwin St/Laurel Grove Park to the North,
{11} Valley Plaza [on] Vanowen *OPTION #1 -between- Archwood St to the South & Hartland St to the North *OPTION #2 -between- South Ent. @ Vanowen & North Ent. @ Hart St. (with *OPTIONAL 'new replacement' for over freeway walk/bike way connector.)
Beyond that going North would depend on Improvements/Density near major roadways and empty/underutilized land. Going south, you could go right to Union Station. Thought the last stretch I'd put underground, passing under the 110 and running parallel coming into Union Station to the Red/Purple Lines. Overall, this one would have more stops, as it goes Diagonally in the city, as this Freeway does, and areas around Highways/Freeways tend to be underserved in a general sense, and they disconnect communities/neighborhoods so this would help connect them and their infrastructure, as well.
3:10 any rail in Glendale SHOULD be along Brand and Colorado Boulevards, as those are historic streetcar routes
Bravo! If only LA had a rail network when I moved there in 1982-I probably never would have left after the 94 Northridge Quake. I worked in front of the 7th/Metro Station for it’s construction. It was ugly! Get the Chinese to build it-They’ll be done with the whole thing by 2030-Guarenteed! Keep ‘em comin’!
You think the A line will ever get upgraded to full grade separated heavy rail
I may have missed it, but what's wrong with interlining? Why avoid it so much?
Because it makes running the trains more complicated, and complications can lead to delays.
Good question. The main reason is that it reduces capacity on a line as trains merge etc. causing more trains to wait for longer periods.
Also increases the likelihood of points failures, which aren't necessarily common, but very bad when they do happen.
You speak way too fast and low, and its hard to understand. Slow down, and please annunciate more. Otherwise good info
We need more trains to and from the San Fernando valley so much traffic originates from there
LA metro rail can do that if LA County population is the same as Metro Tokyo.
Why dont you build an actual metro since light rail does not serve the same function as well as an actual subway line. Its the second biggest city but New York has a way bigger network of just Metro
"Positive national political change"
nandert: No more republicans, democrats rule
Will you work on a new video with the downtown connector?
Yep. This is my new favorite channel. Subbed.
One thing I'm curious about is if the Vermont rail couldn't serve additional places to the north. I agree that Metro wouldn't shut down Red Line service, but could Vermont curve East and serve Echo Park and even Dodger Stadium? Obvious difficulties in tunneling under private property vs Metro ROW. I feel like it shouldn't just end at Wilshire/Vermont, but somehow find a route to go on the other end. Maybe go to Glendale and WSAB heads West not North? Not sure where exactly but it seems odd that it just ends. If it will require a transfer to get DT anyway, why not at least get people from both directions. Especially if theres additional connections in to DTLA like from a future Venice or WSAB route, plus B, D and E lines of course.
Part of me is tempted to upgrade the Slauson LRT to subway since it's mostly grade separated anyway, and connect that to the Arts District station to form a U-shaped D line.
Car companies: this is an attack to our organization
Please get Hired by Metro now 😫🗣🗣!!!
Honestly of all the things I'd want to believe in for the next 50 years (that didn't involve putting the Green Line to the Norwalk Metrolink)
It would be the firm and unshakeable knowledge that Metro will build the underground wye on the Red Line to make the Vermont corridor heavy rail.
Greater Los Angeles could finish these projects within a 20-year span if the following happens:
*Drastically reducing zoning restrictions
*Loosening the NEPA regulators
*End parking mandates
*Replace state taxes with land value tax
*LAMTA re-organizes as transit corporation
*Use LVT rent value capture to fund transit construction like in Singapore and Hong Kong
We will be eliminating highways and parking spaces. Our generation is looking to densify. We need more housing, we need more public space. We need more greenery to help cool down our cities because looks like we are gonna be dealing with more heat. There will come a point where we have to start ripping that stuff up. I believe we will start it, and I believe our kids/grandkids will finish it.
I like the idea of having BRT lines go by numbers instead of letters. With the sheer quantity of BRT lines that metro has planned over the next few decades it could eat up the alphabet easily and they should probably start a numeric namin convention beginning with the NoHo-Pasadena BRTs. The G Line can keep its letter considering it is slated for rail conversion. The J Line will never get converted so Metro could either give it up to rail or leave it alone.
Metro wants people to think BRT is more like rail than a standard bus. Hence, the letters like rail, as opposed to a route number like a standard bus line.
@@Geotpf I’m aware. That’s why the tap card passes work on both. I just worry that the quantity of BRT lines will bring us to the letter Z very quickly, and several letters cannot be used because they could cause confusion including: F (Metro prudishness), H (Hospital), I (the number 1), M (Metro), O (the number 0), and P (Parking).
u need more subs
To be fair gondolas have been used effectively as transit solutions for cities and regions in South America
I appreciate the massive amounts of pessimism in this video
you got it all figured out playa - i'm not from L.A. and have never been there but i saved your channel as i figured the city is major enough for me to know whats happening/should happen in its metro systems
The northern Crenshaw extension is probably the best idea this city has had in a long time it sucks they’re pushing it to 20 years from now
What do we need to do to get that Vermont line to San Pedro? That is the one I care about the most, as the Silver Line should have been rail to begin with
im just curious , how close is this to the core pacific electric which we should have never let go.?
As someone from Missouri, I do want to lightly push back on the snark at the end of the video about our glorious state: Missouri isn't really a "rural" state, with about a 60/40 split in urban vs rural population (similar to Georgia), and the KC and StL metros are both north of 2 million people (comparable to Austin). We do, at least since 2008, reliably vote republican thanks to redistricting in 2010 though.
I agree that we will need to see great changes in federal policy, but both sides of the aisle (including both senators from California) are still passing legislation allocating billions of dollars for interstate subsidies. It's not just Missouri (or Wyoming or South Dakota) who's responsible for America's car dependence and allergy for public transit.
Anyway, love your videos and interested to see whether we even make it to 2057😬
Yeah, but CA has 40,000,000 residents. How many does your state have? And, yet, CA still only has two senators. Talk about under representation in government. Not equal democratic representation. It's gotten completely out of whack overwhelming favoring much more rural an less populated states. That's not a healthy democracy and the Electoral College only makes it worse.
I see why the BRT is on Broadway. This street just has better destinations, Glendale High School, the front side. Glendale Civic center and it's more central to downtown, and clogging it up with bus lanes doesn't disrupt traffic the way blocking Colorado would. What I don't get is why they went Central and not Brand though.
Could we have a PDF of the 2022 map and the future projected plans?