Spitfire BBC SO 1.2 Update - it's GREAT!
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- Spitfire have released a large free update to the Pro and Core versions of their BBC Symphony Orchestra library. Guy Michelmore takes a look at what's included, the new legatos and muted brass, and writes a piece of music putting them through their paces.
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In case no one has noticed, Guy has done some SERIOUS hardware upgrades to his studio. Brilliant! :)
Love the impersonation of Paul!
thanks Guy, great intro to the upgrade, always a pleasure to watch and learn new things!
Great video Guy!! I’m loving the update so far
Great information and always an absolute delight to spend time in your company. Many thanks.
Great composition. I love the sound of this library! It's pretty amazing.
Thank you, Guy for another informative and fun-and-inspiring-to-watch video!
Thank you Guy for doing this. Always informative and inspiring!
Come for the gear rundown... stay for the orchestral voicing tutorial.
Amazing how fast you compose music. Thanks for this video
It feels like that octave jump in the first violin intensifies the climb of that passage. Very impressed with this update from BBC. Great video thank you for taking time.
I upgraded to BBC SO thanks to you I have learned so much from this site with many of those "Yes that's how its done or that's a mistake I have been making " keep up the really good work Guy
the spitfire discovery download arrived yesterday, you are absolutely right, it's great. Thank you for the advice
I just bought this and I'm super excited. I'm going to try and follow this and see what I come up with.
Sounds really great the way you arrange it!
Hey Guy - great vid as always - amazes me how quickly you can knock out something reasonable!
A video at some point on how you’re set up to deal with sample delay/lag would be useful - you mentioned it here but more detail would help. Thanks!
As ever, Guy, inspiring fun and delightful!
Thank you, Guy. It is great!
So energetic and fun to watch!
Very melodramatic, great video. Thanks Guy. Cheers Dave
Hey Guy, Thanks for this video this will definitely be helping everyone get through this lockdown!😆
Do my best :)
Thanks again Guy you are awesome , you can adjust the tightness of those string shorts too
Learned about the "Nudge Palette" in Cubase today - thank you Guy :-)
Thanks for this video!
Awesome video as always, that was sooo Elfman
thank you, continue !
Amazing! I stumbled yesterday into one of your videos about SO Discover and watched several of them. Great work, Guy! I was planning on upgrading from Discover to Core but skipped the Spring Sale and now, as I watch this video, I regret doing that, hahaha. I will have to wait for further sales....
Now you are having your next chance till the 8th of August.
@@monikabober7290 , thanks. I already got the full BBC, but now I cannot manage to make it work on the computer (also I´ve been very busy at the studio, so had little time, butinstallling this one it´s not as easy as other plugins)
Yes! Another guy michelmore video!
Awesome! Thanks Guy. More Paul Thomsom impressions please.
They have to pay you those of spitfire for the accuracy that you always do to them and for how well you talk about them Sir Guy. As always a pleasure to see your tutorials ... it is the channel that I like the most.
All they have to do - like the other developers - is keep turniong out great stuff at a greta price.
Thank You! It is Great! You are Great !
Well, that was fun! 👍
Hey Guy! Love your channel. You've probably answered this before, but if you could only have one orchestral library for the rest of your career, which one would you choose? Keep up the great work 😁
Great video again, Guy. Is there any chance you could do a video on the technical arrangement you use to make these videos please?
Interesting to see Guy's approach to dealing with the sample delay by nudging the midi 1/128th forward.
At 120bpm that's 64ms, which is 4ms more than I had settled on for the violins legato articulation.
I guess the only issue with this might be that if you change the tempo/bpm that 1/128th will have a different time equivalent in milliseconds and so shift the start of your notes against the grid.
Would love to see Spitfire come up with a more concise list of sample offset times for the library in the manual.
Another great video Guy,
Thank you 👍
Another quality video!
I would have definitely subscribed to the channel when you put on those headphones, if it wasn't for the fact that I already have. P.S. the new legato is orgasmic. Praise the lord!! （I am getting this）， seriously though, it is so good at last seeing a bit of a leap in the technology, in the sense that you can now play some melodic lines that incorporate the occasional staccato notes without having to still rely on keyswitches all the time. - Jesus, Paul Thomson's impression alone was worth watching the whole video.
Spitfire need to add automatic divisi and multi ensemble or a way to make that and this orchestra would be perfect.
At truer statement has never been written... BBCSO needs divisi capability really badly.
It would be nice alright.
Something even like the 'half sections ' that they have in originals intimate strings would be enough for me.
I'd happily programme/sequence it myself in the absence of an auto-divisi. Just to have access to half sections would be great 👍
Definitely agree with that. I’ve had BBCSO core for a month and love it. But the two things I’ve noticed is that I keep using another library with an ensemble patch and then going back and reorchestrating using for BBCSO which is a slog. Also half sections would be great. I’ve found the string legato patches tend to overwhelm things like the solo oboe or flute.
That's true. I love BBC SO Pro, but for basic articulation on strings I prefer String Section from Symphony Series by Native Instruments with its automatic divisi system.
Edit: and the rest orchestra from BBC SO
Literally thinking the same thing earlier
12:54 - I totally agree: plan to take some time out to experiment, and you'll never go back to trying to make one patch do it all.
I already thought BBCSO sounded really nice - but this update just makes it absolutely lovely! The horn and flute are sooo nice. I don't really feel like I need another symphonic library - and it's such a nice feeling to not need to spend more money! That being said, I have Core and might update to Pro at some point if I ever decide to get an external drive.
I can vouch for that. I bought Core last year, and I find it the most fantastic tool. Though I do miss some of the instruments that are missing, and Pro would be nice! But the budget for both the library and the additional computing power just isn't there.
Very impressive
Guy: Oh no i nearly played star wars that would've been bad
Also guy 30 seconds later: plays the mischief theme from harry potter
Scrolled down to the comments as soon as I heard it, I knew someone would mention it
Your actual light setting on the video looks really great!
Thank you! Lighitng in a 12x12 shed is not that easy! Not so much a 3 point lighting rig as no point
( Space reserved for comment about filming products shipped in discreet packaging )
@@ThinkSpaceEducation looks really warm and cozy
@@TorstenHaeufler it is :)
Me: Guy, could you please comment on the Clarinet Legatos...?
Guy: Sure. They are very clarinety and legato!
Me: Right, understood!
Amazing video as always. I am a big fan of what you do and how you do it. Almost all the songs that you write in these videos are just about a minute or two long (sometimes, lesser than that), so, could you maybe do a video sometime of you composing an entire 3 or 4 minute song from start to finish? I would love to see your writing and thought processes and how you approach hurdles on your way... Thank you!
You're a great inspiration to amateurs such as myself! :-)
Amazing !! those 10 or 15 s of music. Cheers
Nice!
The viola rhythm reminded me of the one in "The Landing" by Justin Hurwitz from the movie First Man. They are still quite different, but it is what immediately came to mind.
As ever Guy thank you for showing what can be done quickly with a samle library. I have BBCSO Pro (I upgrade from Core as I was so impressed with it) and it is great seeing you work with it.
Different, but this reminds me a lot of Guy Gross's score for the finally movie of "Farscape, The Peace Keeper Wars" I think even the same chords in the same key. Guy Gross scored the music electronically for all four seasons of the T.V. show, but was given the budget to use a live orchestra, including choir, for the music in the movie. Most of the movie was dealing with war and battle conflicts and this just reminds me of it. In my humble opinion, Guy Gross is an amazing composer. It's inspiring to watch you build this in less than 15 minutes.
Didn't know that about Farscape. That's real cool. Thanks for sharing!
@@BlueSpawn The full series DVD set had extra content on each DVD that had 15 to 20 min recordings for quite a few of the episodes on each DVD, of Gross explaining how and why he created the music for those episodes. The Gross videos and the "director's comments" on each episode make that set worth three times what you pay for it.
it's so lovely,,,
Great Job Guy.
Sounds formulaic but good
Awesome! I love these reviews.
Guy, I'm writing some Big-Band-themed music in Cubase 11. Do you know of any instrument package(s) geared toward Jazz/Big Band?
I'm just getting into this, so my budget is not too huge. I will certainly be investing and upgrading as I get farther into writing and arranging.
Session horns pro is good!
Hello guy,
learned a lot again. Thanks. How do you switch tracks to record? So far I thought that the controller was on your right for changing cameras?
Man, I HAVE to get this library now for that Cimbasso sound !!
Its probably the only time you'll hear it as in all my decades as a msician I've never heard of anyone playing it, or the medieval serpent either! The guys that play these instruments are never out of work apparently though.
@@PrinceWesterburg I was referring to Guy's simulation of it. :)
Really would like a tier between Discover and Core.
On another note: a review of Spitfire's Contemporary Drama Toolkit next please
I had Discovery and moved to Core when they did the Black Friday sale, it is bloody amazing but I really want the Professional version now.
Core is as stripped down as you can get really and very competitively priced compared to EWQL or Berlin for example. Plus it sounds like BBC Radio 3! :D Seriously, I just sold some guitar amps I never used and brought me no joy and exchanged them for something that constantly brings me pleasure.
@@PrinceWesterburg Yes, honestly what I would like is something in between Core and Pro. Maybe an extra mic position and a few more instruments..(say half of the ones added to Pro..)
What kind of witchcraft is this? Guy faffs around for 20 minutes and comes up with the score for the next Batman movie 😀. Wonderful stuff Guy ... inspiring as always.
Nice piece, hope a review with Hollywood Orchestra Opus...😉
I know it's a bit off topic, but...I've long wondered what midi record (and any other pertinent) settings you use in Cubase? As always, thanks for your inspiring videos!
Q: What do you get when you drop a piano down a mining shaft?
A: 8:26
HA! LOL That's very funny
...............LOL. Sorry, slow on uptake today - training by Zoom all day.
LOL that took a second
Hilarious! xD
I won a prize in the Beano (UK comic) for that joke in the 1960's - still good today as it was then :-)
Just bought the course how to write music, even though I've been writing music since I was 7...
Same here... but I still think this course is well worth it. I did find myself in a rut with my compositions before. This course helped me get out of it...
Hi Guy, was waiting for this video! Are you also going to check out the new Contemperary Drama Toolkit?
... Or both?
5:11 - oooh yes! Love it! Though, as I am a violinist you would expect me, wouldn't you, to comment that the violas would not be able to play that...
They'd eat that for breakfast but realistically Vln2 could do it and then the rest later could go on Vln 1 div?
@@ThinkSpaceEducation hehe
@@ThinkSpaceEducation The Daily Mirror??????
Thanks! Why you didn't use delay compensation in instrument track instead midi shift?
I still can't get my head around the fact that BBCSO Core costs about 400 £ and it sounds so wonderful and organic! And with the modifications Spitfire did, I love it event more. With the modified Legato, it actually works like the Legato patch I always dreamed about. Far less faffing around with different articulations to get a coherent sound.
13:31 calling Danny Elfman's lawyers for his batman theme though ;) love it!
Unbelievable bargain at the sale price of €269!
Hard to comprehend the amount of Excellent content for the price
Hello Guy,
Only just found your channel which I have found very informative.
I have one question are your concerned about security of your garden office?
I have a garden shed/office only used for storage and had a bike and fishing tackle stolen.
Those sounds are really great -- sometime I would like to upgrade from the free version -- You have a bandaid on your pinky -- ouch?
These instruments are just so lush. "That wasn't awful". Even when you are messing around you feel like a god with these powers at your command.
thank you for this video, which version of BBCSO you are using?
thank you
black = pro
Yet as he said he didn't use anything that you couldn't have in core.
The big differences between pro and core is that there is only one mix which limits the dynamic options quite a bit.
I have core and would love to have the close mic for example.
There are also no solo strings in core. (There are solo brass and woodwinds though).
And there are a few instruments in pro not in core.
It is heavy as heck either way with core.
Especially if you do not clean out all kinds of articulations.
A big thing is also that if you have only core (I believe) you can load in the music made in pro and it will downgrade it for you. (not that certain though).
At least you can run the three different modes (if you have pro... so you can collaborate with owners of core and probably even discover).
@@peope1976 You are correct. You can load up projects made using more expensive versions and it will do its best to play it by substituting articulations and instruments for ones you have.
This is true even if you only have the free/cheap 'Discover" version. It's designed for teaching environments I believe, so students can carry on work using personal machines without needing licenses for expensive orchestras.
Is this upgraded to Core or is this an upgrade to the first version for $49? I love what you do Guy, thank you so much!!!!
Nice 'sketch', Guy. Actually, the extended legato seems like a useful sketching tool. I added Core to my collection at Xmas. Couldn't hold back any longer. It's all your fault, innit. Can't believe what you get compared with a few years ago. Pastoral and pastel spring to mind. Feedback on the way, Ben. PS - 3:24 What about Christian? You better stick him in your next vid. That should be fun :)
Love the impersonation of Paul Thomson....
One problem I have not been able to figure out is whenever I play the same note in succession, the second note has this slight crescendo. For example, if I am using the violins legato and I play a C for two beats and play the same note for another two beats, the second C will give this slow rise from soft to normal volume. Granted, I don't compose with a midi keyboard, I compose in Finale and save the file as a midi and open it up in Studio one so maybe something to do with that but haven't figured it out. Any suggestions, I am all ears.
Streamdeck for key-switching!!! Brilliant. Do you show how to set that up in a video?
I would love to see a great tutorial on the setup and use of Stream Deck for key switching. I’m so close to buying one to enhance my online teaching. Being able to use it for scoring would sell it to me.
I hope an update will also become available for the (free) Discover version.
There won’t be
@@Andrew-qm5im because there’s no reason to put out an update on freeware, even if there was, the whole point of discover is it’s supposed to be like the bare minimum of the actual BBCSO plugin and updating it would contradict that
@@thrale I just checked my app, there isnt.
@@thrale Thank you for your feedback, Richard! Last week I checked for an update for Discovery and could not find one. I'll have a look again.
@@thrale you automatically own every version underneath when you own core or pro, I preordered BBCSO when it was announced meaning I have discover, core, and pro. Check the file size of the update because it is probably just a 5kb update just to change the info on the spitfire app from 1.0.0 to 1.2.0
Wow this is a better demo of the new articulations than Paul's (sorry Paul, love you man).
Guy, it's a bit hard to see from your video, but I'm trying to understand how you are applying expression when playing. It looks like you are using the modulation wheel at least? What cc parameter do you control with that? Do you ever do multiple parameters while playing (say using faders on your icon?)? Thanks!
One thing I am interested in is what happens after you complete a project in cubase where does it go from there you export the stems then what happens next are the stems remixed , Do you use the score editor to create the printed parts for your Orchestra. Just an idea for a Video mabe many thanks.
I love the impression of Paul 🤣
Hey Guy! Have you settled on a winner for the Flute Challenge? Loved the live stream last week!
It was Larry the Pheasant
We were on that this afternoon so nearly yes
@@ThinkSpaceEducation Awesome, looking forward to hearing the winning submission!
That (new?) headset is quite a massive thing! Is it more comfortable than it looks when used for long periods at a time?
Guy. We both can't get away from the massive influence John Williams has had on us...
I missed a cowbell hit at the end 😊
Hum. Not sure about the Elfman. I immediately thought of some DaVinci Code listening into the tune. But maybe that's me. As always, great video. Thanks.
Yes, I used the new update here now: th-cam.com/video/FwABGYUBWZY/w-d-xo.html (sorry for this lousy mix)
...Updatetastic...!!!
Yep
Did you get that bum pinky from too many awesome arpeggios? Thanks for the demonstration! Looks like I need BBCSO to go with Abbey Road.
I really enjoy your .. yuo. Thank you Guy. Oh .. did I mention I'm dyslexic?
Awesome, I could almost smell the dinosaurs
Did you get a new camera or streaming set up? The video seems much clearer with a deeper sense of color. If so what camera is it if you don't mind sharing. Happy New Year!!!
Ive had a swap about - GH5 is the main camera, a6600 is the wide and a5100 is the top down going through an atem mini pro
@@ThinkSpaceEducation Do you run the GH5 on it's battery or you have a special adaptor for plugin ig in the wall? I have the GH5S and love it but for long stream or Zoom, the battery last about 1 h 30 or a bit more so it can stop in the middle of it...
Great video again!
Unfortunately I cannot open BBCSO Core since the update... talking to Spitfire support at the moment by email... 😒
Once again, Mr. Elfman is stalking Mr. Michelmore. Influencing his thoughts and processes....
:-)
Its the chord progression
@@ThinkSpaceEducation SURE it is... am I speaking to Mr. Elfman or Mr. Michelmore?
More like Bernard Herrmann - a very Hitchcocky sound…
@@RabbeSandelin Bernard was indeed a fan of muted brass. :)
*Cape fear music fades in*
Never seen in the same room at the same time - coincidence?
Looks like your right hand pinky is going through an update too.😀
THANK FOR THE DEMO OF THIS I JUST UPDATED .USING IT IN SERATO STUDIO THAT I ALSO JUST STARTED USING YESTERDAY.
Keep noticing a strat in the background, Guy.... let's hear some of your guitar playing :-)
Love the sound of Abbey Road One but BBC Core seems more comprehensive. If you could only get one... ?
trying to decide between spitfire studio orchestra pro and BBC SO Pro
1:50 this really reminded me of one of Howl's Moving Castle soundtracks
I LOVE that score
@@ThinkSpaceEducation The main theme for Howl's is one of my favorites. Even after delving into the theory behind it, the chord progression still boggles my brain.
No Discover update yet?
great video Guy! i am still having issues with the timing Celli and basses short notes in fast passages. I have sent the file to spitfire support and they have reported that they are also able to reproduce the result and has not been fixed in this update ( i was so hopeful :( ) . wondering if u have experienced the same and have a work around. Messing with the Tightness variable has no effect on the timing at all and a fixed track delay is not working as the timing issue is on random notes. I don’t seem to have this issue with symphonic or chamber strings.
Do you mean they're all consistently late (fixable) or they are inconsistently late (not fixable)?
Guy Michelmore inconsistently late and not fixable; particularly in faster arpeggios.
@@bisibela2701 Hmm Ill check that out
@@bisibela2701 I reported the same issue 6 months ago and they said they were not aware of it. Glad they know acknowledge the issue
Yeah, it's been an issue for alot of people . Multiple posts of forums talking about it.
I initially thought it was an issue with some of the round robins having different sample start times as the timing would fluctuate during extended passages of staccato/spicatto repetitions. And the timing variation didn't seem to be consistent, it changed depending on what point you start the track.
But........
Someone suggested that the issue lies in the sample variation in the different velocity layers.
Try setting the velocity of all notes the same and see if it resolves......👍.
No more dynamic ostinato lines 🤣🤣
This update is very encouraging though as it means that they are still working on this library, so we might see a resolution to it some day......fingers crossed!
I love this library ♥️
sounds good maybe i should have got this instead of albion 1 for Christmas !? 🤔
Is there a reason for laying out your instruments like that Guy, the old eighteenth century way with the strings at the top of the score?
Utterly random i normally do it the right way up
@@ThinkSpaceEducation I just wondered, thanks Guy!
this has a danny elfman batman vibe.