By way of contrast to this startup procedure, emergency diesel generators at nuclear power plants have to start and be ready to pick up a load in 10 seconds from a dead stop. Our plant has 4 EMD 20-645E4 diesel generator sets rated at 3600 BHP each. Each generator's output is 3MW @ 4160 Volts. These are the same diesels used in SD45s. Lubricating oil is flowing constantly and coolant heaters have the engine at operating temperature. Air motors supplied by air tanks turn over the engine on a start signal. It's quite impressive to be in the room when it goes from dead stop to 900 RPM in 10 secs.
You can follow direct start to full throttle and load after procedure. It will take less than one second to reach full load and 3 seconds to stabilise.
@@electric7487 Even if you were to strengthen the rods, pistons, and cranks, I don’t know that 1800 rpm would be possible. The 16-645F notoriously struggled putting out 3500-3600 hp at 950 rpm.
During the production of earlier locomotive types or models such as the 70 Tonner (or "70T"), the Cooper-Bessemer FVBL engines were often referred to simply as "FDL" prior to the acquisition of the design from Cooper-Bessemer. Once the design was acquired, however, "7" prefix was eventually given which signified official ownership. Good old General electric FDL series.
Many brands of diesel smoke when they first start. It has to do with how they combust fuel, and the turbo chargers. Some types of turbo charger don't spin up to speed right away, and so the fuel doesn't combust completely, as well as the cold combustion chamber. Once running, warmed up, and the turbos have spun up to speed, most of the smoking stops, or is at least reduced. Oil leaks around the pistons, especially cold rings can also contribute to the dark thick smoke.
She used to be L&N 2817. She looked nice in her gray and yellow paint scheme back in the day. But she's not scrapped, and that's a good thing! I have a soft spot for old diesels.
I agree that it is nice to see that this locomotive is still in operation. However, if anyone else has had the same amount of problems with running GE U-boats as I have, I guarantee you that they will simply see another rust bucket and question "why?" Before HH terminated my position, one of my favorite worst memories was having a U23B leaser engine that threw a rod and a U30C blow its turbo, both in the same week. The second worst experiences I've had came from EMD SD50s. Nonetheless, give me an EMD over a GE any day of the week, especially a SD40 series or SD70 series.
I remember being at the Horseshoe Curve and hearing 3 U-boats leading a long train coming west upgrade out of Altoona, that 4 cycle sound /chugging, was almost like the sound of a stream engine, echoing in the valley.
What are those sounds that you hear, almost sounds like little electric shocks? As a kid in the 80s living one block away from a train switching yard, I remember that sound constantly.
Oh yes, we have big plans for this engine in the future! Got a few projects in front of it, but body work/rust repair and a fresh coat of orange are planned for it. Going to be raising money here soonish for the restoration, actually!
How do they start it? Not with a set of keys like a car I imagine. Is there a button hidden behind a lock or something to prevent anyone from breaking in and firing it up?
It’s far from get in and go, you have to know exactly what you’re doing. Most cabs are kept locked, so you’d have to have a set of keys to get into the cab to begin the process. Even a railfan like me that somewhat knows how it works would still struggle to start one of these because every engine is different.
Yes sir go for it! Thanks for asking, i see a lot of my footage used in random videos and never get asked, so you're more than welcome to use some of this video
I am buying the atlas ho scale model of csx 9554 and planning to renumber it to 9553. What horn does she normally wear Wade? Also, do you by chance know of a good decal set to add the vlix decals?
We do! There aren't many, though. We roster 2 operational U23Bs, and on the "round to it" list is a U28B, a U25B and 2 U33Cs. There is a railroad in GA I think it is that runs 1 ot 2 U23Bs as well regularly. Aside from that, I'm not 100% sure. I hear there is a railroad in PA, not the R&N, that rosters 2 U23Bs but I haven't seen any photos of them running in recent years.
A few shortlines here might have a handful of Universal Series of GE -7 units in operation. Class one railroads retired these units many years ago. As shown in the video,CSX reserved certain amounts of these units for MOW usage only and work trains. Even though some may look nice and do a good job,these units had teething problems and were utter junk at times. The Universal Series were famous for throwing piston rods or blowing out turbochargers. However most of these units,espiecally the U30C's,U33C's,and U36C's,could rival the GP40-2's & SD40-2's when it came to tractive effort. It was a miracle for any of these units to survive up to fifteen years. The later -7 series suffered from low traction and were highly known for wheel slippage when it came to serious tonnage. One other major issue was dynamic grids literally melting from overheating. Lightweight manifests and yard switching were about the only good use of those units. The C30-7's and C36-7's were actually hard pullers and mainly used for coal trains or helper service much like the U30C's,U33C's,or U36C's. Their counterpart B30-7's & B36-7's were primarily seen on fast freight service. The GE units actually had different gearing and quicker throttle response than most of the EMD and ALCO units. The quick response and high acceleration was almost comparable to the Fairbanks Morse Trainmasters which had incredible top speed.
Realy? i'm working on ChME-3 which was built in 1972, and it's not making so much smoke even while cold starting engine. Sorry for my english, i'm russian.
A (sort of) noob here: could someone explain what is that "tsk... tsk" noise, appearing sort of randomly but averaging at about a little more than once a second? I have heard that on other locomotive videos.
Up in the U.P., we have Lake Superior & Ishpeming (LSI) who are running two U30C's. They used to have 13 or 14 of them, but 300 and 3009vare the only ones still operational while the others have been retired, stored or scrapped, and cannibalised for parts.
Benjamin Esposti well, when we sent it out, we had a stackcap installed... When it returned, NS or whoever had taken it off but not started the engine, so the exhaust stack was literally full of water LOL In all reality the GEs we have hardly spit any oil out at all, where as our SD45 and Alco C420 spits oil out more often
She's actually a pretty good motor most days! It's been sidelined for about a year now, NS decided to lock a wheel up on it in transit somewhere and so it it missing a traction motor but otherwise will fire up and go anytime
That’s the way my heart sounds after my first cup of coffee.
same 👍
Ha, what do you mean by first . Cheers
“Soot!-Soot!-Soot!”
By way of contrast to this startup procedure, emergency diesel generators at nuclear power plants have to start and be ready to pick up a load in 10 seconds from a dead stop. Our plant has 4 EMD 20-645E4 diesel generator sets rated at 3600 BHP each. Each generator's output is 3MW @ 4160 Volts. These are the same diesels used in SD45s. Lubricating oil is flowing constantly and coolant heaters have the engine at operating temperature. Air motors supplied by air tanks turn over the engine on a start signal. It's quite impressive to be in the room when it goes from dead stop to 900 RPM in 10 secs.
is there video of this, sounds very impressive
I envy your job.
You can follow direct start to full throttle and load after procedure. It will take less than one second to reach full load and 3 seconds to stabilise.
I bet the 645's can go up to 1800 RPM with stronger pistons, rods, and cranks.
@@electric7487 Even if you were to strengthen the rods, pistons, and cranks, I don’t know that 1800 rpm would be possible. The 16-645F notoriously struggled putting out 3500-3600 hp at 950 rpm.
During the production of earlier locomotive types or models such as the 70 Tonner (or "70T"), the Cooper-Bessemer FVBL engines were often referred to simply as "FDL" prior to the acquisition of the design from Cooper-Bessemer. Once the design was acquired, however, "7" prefix was eventually given which signified official ownership. Good old General electric FDL series.
Many brands of diesel smoke when they first start. It has to do with how they combust fuel, and the turbo chargers. Some types of turbo charger don't spin up to speed right away, and so the fuel doesn't combust completely, as well as the cold combustion chamber. Once running, warmed up, and the turbos have spun up to speed, most of the smoking stops, or is at least reduced. Oil leaks around the pistons, especially cold rings can also contribute to the dark thick smoke.
This U23B smokes because of it's age.
Thumbs up just for not using Potato/Rock camera.
Californians be cringing when they see this locomotive start up
prius owners: KAREN MODE ACTIVATED..... *"REEEEEEEEEEEEEE!"*
Californians when literally anything with a combustion engine: oh no, cringe 💀
Bruh, i’m from california and i love seeing startups like this. Don’t think we all hate these.
@@tankman_tv9332 a small part of California is bad but I don’t believe that all of California is
As a Californian I embrace startups like this lol
Great quality! Near 4K! I couldn't tell when the starter let up and engine took over.
Familiar 7FDL "hooga-chacka" starting sound from when I worked at GE in Erie.
Mark Palmer
“Oooga-oooga-oooga-chaka!” 🎼. Hopefully you remember the song!
She used to be L&N 2817. She looked nice in her gray and yellow paint scheme back in the day.
But she's not scrapped, and that's a good thing! I have a soft spot for old diesels.
JetSetDiva like the Amtrak F40's?
Brandon Strong Yep, just like those. I remember those F40ph's.
JetSetDiva h
I agree that it is nice to see that this locomotive is still in operation. However, if anyone else has had the same amount of problems with running GE U-boats as I have, I guarantee you that they will simply see another rust bucket and question "why?" Before HH terminated my position, one of my favorite worst memories was having a U23B leaser engine that threw a rod and a U30C blow its turbo, both in the same week. The second worst experiences I've had came from EMD SD50s. Nonetheless, give me an EMD over a GE any day of the week, especially a SD40 series or SD70 series.
Miss them L&Ms!
Man and I thought I had trouble waking up in the morning! Good old U-Boat. Don't see many of those around anymore.
Heaps of them here in New Zealand, all U26C models, 2 are C30-8Mi rebuilds
Nice to see it still has the CSX lettering always loved the CSX MOW orange scheme.
I remember being at the Horseshoe Curve and hearing 3 U-boats leading a long train coming west upgrade out of Altoona, that 4 cycle sound /chugging, was almost like the sound of a stream engine, echoing in the valley.
my father passed on to me the VHS of sand patch
Please let this be what heaven sounds like.
bababooey7576 that's wierd
Trevor Phillips yeah. It kind of was a weird statement. Lol I was prob high
That thing sounds like an old British locomotive…. Smokes like one, too.
EMD: roars like lion
GE: ka-chunk ka-chunk ka-chunk
2 cycle VS 4 cycle in big diesels.
EMDS sound like shit
@@TNandTXRailfan Yo mama
Wolf Nigga dude wtf
@@vector6977 2 stroke can live forever
Sounds like me getting up on a bad hangover 😭
😟
Beautiful old U-Boat. Maybe one day i'll try to make the trip out to the museum in Oak Ridge, TN and see it in person. Also.... Damnit Wade! ;)
You should hear the engine start of the German diesel locomotive "BR 218". Diesel Power and an eargasm
Happy earth day!
Oh HAHA (sarcasm)
Happy Earth Day 2 years later
Not the mode of transportation if you have the need of a fast getaway.
Kuemmerling Enthusiast might not be a fast getaway but almost unstoppable
The go up to 75 mph
We know that, your car might go 120, but a big peice of steel... It only goes 80 mph
Yea but who's gonna stop you once you're inside?
Ge = slow ass startup quieter engine
Emd= quick start loud engine
I love these vids you're posting! The kind of vids I would be shooting if I had the access and opportunity.
I think she looks good in yellow ,it's looks awesome.
Great video. Great engines. 👍👍👍
kinda sounds like a big block chevy with a small cam once she's idling. Very cool video. Thanks for posting it, Wade.
Sounds beautiful!
What are those sounds that you hear, almost sounds like little electric shocks? As a kid in the 80s living one block away from a train switching yard, I remember that sound constantly.
Condensation drains on the air reservoir
Spitter valves for the air tanks
Beautiful locomotive......greetings
Liked and subscribed.
Thanks! I subbed back!
@@Tennesseecentral6902 Thank you! Much appreciated.
@@Tennesseecentral6902 How's that U-Boat working these days?
Awesome GE sound! Very cool locomotive!
I subscribed to support. Joe's train world videos. 😀
Awesome train video
That was an MOW locomotive on CSX.
Hey wade, is it ever going to be repainted? A new coat of orange would look nice on this ol girl!
Oh yes, we have big plans for this engine in the future! Got a few projects in front of it, but body work/rust repair and a fresh coat of orange are planned for it.
Going to be raising money here soonish for the restoration, actually!
@@Tennesseecentral6902 cool thanks! Hopefully I can make a trip down their when she's restored!
Nice video!
That ole girl is cold blooded! 😎
Sounds like our first bed years ago..
Good ol' U-Boats
What train is that
Once one of them is running wonder how long before it is ready to go
Not long. Usually less than 5 minutes if that
i like the smoke effects
Good video.
Didn't know CSX still had engines in that scheme!
This is in a MOW Orange YN1 scheme
@@AVeryRandomPerson it was referred to as simply "MOW Orange" there is no yn1 or yn preface as the locomotive has no yellow nose.
Air start? Battery using DC motor (like a diesel truck)?
Don't pat the gas pedal ! YOU'LL FLOOD IT !🤣
Smae if you have the choke close too long.
Correction throttle.
Nice and environmentally friendly. Video brought to you by Heart and lung foundation of America.
How do they start it? Not with a set of keys like a car I imagine. Is there a button hidden behind a lock or something to prevent anyone from breaking in and firing it up?
There are a certain set of switches and buttons and checks to fire up a locomotive to prevent anyone from taking one for a test drive ...
Keys are also used in dual cabin engines to choose which one is active.
It’s far from get in and go, you have to know exactly what you’re doing. Most cabs are kept locked, so you’d have to have a set of keys to get into the cab to begin the process. Even a railfan like me that somewhat knows how it works would still struggle to start one of these because every engine is different.
HI I'm putting together a TH-cam video on the GE boats would it be ok if i used some of this footage?
Yes sir go for it! Thanks for asking, i see a lot of my footage used in random videos and never get asked, so you're more than welcome to use some of this video
I think I can, I think I can.
More like: I don't wanna....I don't wanna....I don't wanna....
Still patched in CSX scheme I like that!!!
It’s a CSX locomotive
I am buying the atlas ho scale model of csx 9554 and planning to renumber it to 9553. What horn does she normally wear Wade? Also, do you by chance know of a good decal set to add the vlix decals?
have a look at the London Underground Tunnel Cleaning Train
Wade, that was awesome. Check out the one I shot last night. You got my sub and support. Toot toot
So why was there a sound bite of an out-of-balance washing machine thrown in there?
Because it can.
Cool thanks mate
Amazing locomotif
Send this to that greta girl.
Starter begins cranking at 0:51
sounds good!!
Is there any railroads in North America still running U’s?
We do! There aren't many, though. We roster 2 operational U23Bs, and on the "round to it" list is a U28B, a U25B and 2 U33Cs.
There is a railroad in GA I think it is that runs 1 ot 2 U23Bs as well regularly.
Aside from that, I'm not 100% sure. I hear there is a railroad in PA, not the R&N, that rosters 2 U23Bs but I haven't seen any photos of them running in recent years.
@@Tennesseecentral6902 You got U33C's? I thought they were all gone.
@@electric7487 sorry, I meant to type U30C, not U33.. We have 2 U30Cs on the property.
@@electric7487 there’s a former southern railway b23-7 that operates in huntsville alabama. HMCR 3986
A few shortlines here might have a handful of Universal Series of GE -7 units in operation. Class one railroads retired these units many years ago. As shown in the video,CSX reserved certain amounts of these units for MOW usage only and work trains. Even though some may look nice and do a good job,these units had teething problems and were utter junk at times. The Universal Series were famous for throwing piston rods or blowing out turbochargers. However most of these units,espiecally the U30C's,U33C's,and U36C's,could rival the GP40-2's & SD40-2's when it came to tractive effort. It was a miracle for any of these units to survive up to fifteen years. The later -7 series suffered from low traction and were highly known for wheel slippage when it came to serious tonnage. One other major issue was dynamic grids literally melting from overheating. Lightweight manifests and yard switching were about the only good use of those units. The C30-7's and C36-7's were actually hard pullers and mainly used for coal trains or helper service much like the U30C's,U33C's,or U36C's. Their counterpart B30-7's & B36-7's were primarily seen on fast freight service. The GE units actually had different gearing and quicker throttle response than most of the EMD and ALCO units. The quick response and high acceleration was almost comparable to the Fairbanks Morse Trainmasters which had incredible top speed.
I used to live there I don't see anything wrong
Is that at the Georgia Central Railroad?
How old is this locomotive?
Werner Rahtmann was built around March 1975.
Realy? i'm working on ChME-3 which was built in 1972, and it's not making so much smoke even while cold starting engine. Sorry for my english, i'm russian.
How many cans of ether does it take to lite one of those?
About tree fiddy
What type of power assembly does it have?
Where is this at? Those are Vintage Locomotive, Inc. reporting marks...that looks like an ex-Georgia Central, exx-NS (nee SOU?) U23B behind her, too.
I think this was filmed in Georgia on the Georgia Central judging by the ex-NS GE in front of the CSX MOW.
DM Multimedia I hadn't considered she might still be working for Georgia Central, as I don't know when the video was taken!
She doesn't, Georgia Central was bought out by the G&W. All of those GE's should be gone now.
DM Multimedia Right I know that...was talking about when the video was shot
I honestly don't know how to interpret the previous comment the way you are saying it should be interpreted.
This loco started on two cylinders,,no more.
Ok,,thanks.
Who owns that!!?? Never in my life have I seen one in person. Never on CSX.
I didn’t know VW sold train engines too!
Volkswagen Diesel jokes never get old.
A (sort of) noob here: could someone explain what is that "tsk... tsk" noise, appearing sort of randomly but averaging at about a little more than once a second? I have heard that on other locomotive videos.
pev that would be the Graham White 686-011 drain o matic valve. It is used to expel condensation water from the main reservoir.
are the horns pointed the wrong way?
tlfreek nope, That’s how the horns were on these locomotives
BFD. Cold start my ass. Short sleeve shirt. What, like 60 outside
nice video.... whats you r look like??
Where's this at?
The Great Pumpkin!
Wow that's CSX's oldest train ever
Thanks!
Looks like a U Boat. Won't start like a U Boat. Gee what a surprise.
EMD: roars like lion
GE: th-cam.com/video/c7O91GDWGPU/w-d-xo.html
da plumpkin
they need to touch us the paint on there diesels
MOW engine -- they never get any love and they are normally near death and the least popular of the fleet.
frankoch1 oh come on
What? It's the truth! The reason it got put on MoW duty in the first place was so it would no longer run revenue service.
frankoch1 it is owned by a Museum if I’m correct
they still use those things?
Matt king yes sir! I work here, use these old engines all the time
what other old equipment do you use?
Up in the U.P., we have Lake Superior & Ishpeming (LSI) who are running two U30C's. They used to have 13 or 14 of them, but 300 and 3009vare the only ones still operational while the others have been retired, stored or scrapped, and cannibalised for parts.
Is this engine still in service as of now?
I love old GEs about as much as I like the EMD SD70ACe.
Oh yes! We use it about weekly
Rolling Coal !
Engine Nya Sama Dengan CC Series ..
What railroad is this?
FLNY Mike the locomotive is a CSX locomotive
No horn?!?
UP RailFan Link it’s got one
starting engineer scene.
Crossbreed!!!!! ALCO/GE
Why is it pink?
Why are you colorblind?
Because your monitor is bad.
I'd say peach
Its M.O.W orange
Smokin like a freight trai... uh
Startuj pociąg
Spit out some oil there it looks like.
I would imagine she's a little worn out, lol
Benjamin Esposti well, when we sent it out, we had a stackcap installed...
When it returned, NS or whoever had taken it off but not started the engine, so the exhaust stack was literally full of water LOL
In all reality the GEs we have hardly spit any oil out at all, where as our SD45 and Alco C420 spits oil out more often
By any chance, was Doug starting the engine? ( th-cam.com/video/uOj6gPwkiXg/w-d-xo.html )
this is what every prius and Tesla owner gets in their face for being tree huggers and crap
Look at all the pollution
You eating at taco Bell causes more
@@RJ1999x Gōttem
Looks like a Cheeto threw up on that engine!
Geez - someone call the EPA
TOM PIPPS . FOAM - BATON ROUGE LOUISIANA USA . HI HELLO . &
air pollution ..........whats that?
I would not trust that thing.
She's actually a pretty good motor most days!
It's been sidelined for about a year now, NS decided to lock a wheel up on it in transit somewhere and so it it missing a traction motor but otherwise will fire up and go anytime
Poor ignition system
Eric Hollen it's a diesel, doesn't have an ignition system lol
Danny Jones Haha
Yea needs new spark plugs
Danny Jones this is true