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Short answer: there's situations when you're behind cover and have time on your side, and there's situations when you decide that winning a gunfight is more important than saving an empty mag
100% agreed it’s not that complicated. Sometimes as well they teach you to dump with maybe a few left to avoid taking even the extra time to rack if necessary. Better to leave a few rounds in a magazine and survive than not.
@tatarugabriel4328 So you go into a tactical situation with 6 mags and an extra 200 rounds. You drop 5 mags because of speed is needed, suddenly you have targets and no loaded magazine.... What do you do...Spit the rounds???? Dropping mags is the LAST OPTION. Dropping mags is a Russian and American thing.
@@okbutthenagain.9402 nope in an open battle field you go in with 6 mags and 200 rounds. you use things like dump pouches to store empty mags as you have have distance on your side and will use fire to suppress the enemy. in a close environment like CQB (clearing a building) you dont carry extra rounds just magazines and you dont suppress the enemy...your shots are all about good shot placement. changing mag is about speed. so tell me again why dropping mags is a last option?
@@okbutthenagain.9402 so in tactical situation you got the time to load bullet back into the empty magazines? I don't know that you have the time to refill empty magazines during CQB
In pretty much any military that'd be the case, when your life is on the line, you won't really think to put the mag in a pouch and just drop it, happens often enough even in current conflicts.
Let's just say you can drop a mag in a pinch but you are absolutely expected to go back and do a little _SBG_ unless you want to know exactly how loud the first sergeant can get.
In training they told us not to drop them and we had to be very careful not to loose magazines. But our platoon sgt. said when things get real magazines are considered discardable and not in the "list" And it really depends on the situation. Magazine is a small loss compared to a soldier who dies fumbling with the pockets and empty mag...
It's down to situation, if you have time to swap a mag without loosing one then it's obviously preferable. But sometimes speed is more important, hence the adoption of dump pouches.
For me dump pouches are the best solution. Good mixture of speed and efficiency. Only thing important to remember: dont run with a full dumppouch or some of your mags might end up jumping to their freedom (aka the void) ^^
There is a time and place for retaining and dropping the mag. Both are valid when applied to specific situations. Retain them when you can, drop them when you absolutely need to get your weapon in the fight again. Just remember, if you are getting resupplied ammunition. It is likely going to be loose ammo (not loaded in mags). So if you displaced a number of times and littered your mags everywhere and only have two magazines with you. You are gonna be fucked. You won't be running back to your old positions to pick up mags. Plan accordingly. Some units will have a few cans of pre-loaded mags that are staged just in case. However, that has to be shared with everyone.
Small unit of get in and get out-troops can drop their mags all they want because they know they can just get new ones before the end of the week. A whole batallion of prolongedly engaged troops dropping their mags everywhere is not just littering but a waste of resources and a strain on logistics.
TL;DR: FSB officers can often go back and retrieve their mags after an operation is complete. When you're on the frontlines as an ordinary soldier, you can't do that, and any magazine lost is a further strain on logistics. (Even if it isn't much of a strain, it will quickly grow if every soldier is just leaving behind their mags.)
"Efficient soldiers is not the one who is good with a rifle, but the one who is good with a shovel". You may just have sent the entire United States into a collective apoplexy. Not that you could notice the difference.
It was a really big discovery for me when the Ukrainian guys started talking about the fact that being able to dig in is the main skill that is required from a soldier
@@casperarms I've come across words like that all the way back to Roman times. It's true on many levels but I like it the most because it punctures the mystique of the war fighter. 😁
US military seems to have forgotten what being under artillery barrage is like. It seems to think that Afghanistan and Iraq are what modern war is like. But it isn't. Ukraine has shown STARKLY just how important entrenching is. If you are interested you should look up different trench systems Russians and Ukrainians built. Those even include living quarters and command posts. Vietnamese took it a step further during Vietnam war when they made tunnel networks which were nearly impossible to clear. Israelis are finding the same problem. When enemy has a whole heap of artillery and it's their primary strike method, you do more digging than shooting.
You do realise in both the army and marine corps digging and subsequently filling and moving fighting positions is a favoured way to fuck with soldiers by the drill instructors/sargeants. They can use shovels all right.
"A soldier thats good with a shovel is more valuable than one who is good with a rifle" rings true even in games like Squad lol, for all its faults and non-realistic parts, being the shovel boy has immense value.
They refer to manual labor. In my time at Ft. Benning I qualified on string trimmers, push mowers, riding mowers and ditch clearing with manual tools. I was 11B. So much for glory.
Not being able to get a new mag is probably the biggest reason over anything else. There are definitely some rare cases were how fast you can reload matter, there was one such situation I seen in a trench raid where a Russian soldier was struggling to reload(he was wounded this is why he was struggling). His reload was never going to be fast, and I can't say if he dropped his old mag or not, but in that case I think anyone would drop the mag. That soldier was killed without a loaded gun in his hand by a Ukrainian soldier.
In the US the dropping of the empty mag comes from the police world where gunfights are quick and an empty mag is useless to you. Speed is the name of the game because of the short distances of the gun fights law enforcement are usually involved in. Once everything is over, the mags can be picked up. The military has different SOPs because of different circumstances. That said, even in law enforcement we will do magazine exchanges if you have time and opportunity to do so.
In the US Marine Corps. it was more of a situation where if you have time save the mag - and that was always. It was only dropped when *absolutely* necessary, and I can recall very few instances that was the case.
I learned to drop the magazine if you're reloading in action. If you're in cover or on a tactical reload you keep the magazine. Fairly common training.
Hate to be that guy but I am. The FSB isn't just a internal force and has operated else where and in war time and for SF guys who might need not be carrying now dead weight like a empty mag with no promise of reloading said mag why carry it? Thought I have no proof of a example of this but one might fine use of a empty mag as another means to mark a place as clear for others as a another means if one doesn't have or risk using chemlights. For normal soldiers one could find them dropping empty mags if say there was a clear moment they have no choice but to do so for need of the moment. It's nice that you can bring back your empty mags in a safe bag for it when everything allows you to do so but when you're in a do or die moment that's just not going to always happen.
Out in the field you DO NOT throw your mags away. If you lose mags, you can't reload, and resupply drop may not include new ones. You NEED them because that's where you put your ammo so you can fight. That's why soldiers carry the mag drop pouches these days: to retain spent mags. SF in a building drop them because they know that they'll come back after battle and calmly pick them up. Also they'll have to fill out loads of paperwork over lost military property.
@@Max_Da_G Agreed on ideal terms but in said moment that forces you which will happen from time to time it will force you to drop them either willingly or not. Fire fights and overall battles aren't always going to plan or end up the way one wishes it to be and the means to change or adjust to the moment either as a group or on one's own is needed. If the operation is under control and allows you to do said thing than yes but if it doesn't than what is stated before means nothings in the line of contact with hostile forces.
@@MrPovsekakiy FBS is granted more of internal service and many SF units in it are internal but due recall oversea and outside of Russia borders. I remember granted it's been a long time since than but A Group was operating in urban battles and in one case for some reason with Hez-boll-ah (not sure if yt loses it minds on this better play it safe or just Hez) patches on them. From my personal understanding of FSB it's a mix of FBI, NSA and CIA.
@@MrPovsekakiy Before you hate me dude I'm learning as much as I can along the way based on what I'm personally aware and how things are exampled to me both as a non-Russian and outside of their said organization that groups up their SF units and how they work and what is reported/guess. Gathering clear intel on how anything works at times from the west and how much BS is pushed our ways makes it more harder to impossible to get a good read on these matters.
The author is exaggerating. Russian soldiers are also throwing empty magazines on the ground. It all depends on the situation in which the soldier found himself.
Sitiation dictates. We drop mags in the US as well. But it depends on the tempo of the engagement. If youre in a high tempo/close quarter intense firefight you drop the mags and pick them up later if possible. If you have time to slowdown and change mags and those few extra seconds dont matter than you stow them right then and there. Mags are cheap and plentifull it really comes down to timing and logistics. If you risk getting hit by not returning fire right away drop it. If youre not gona get resupplied in ages, aviod dropping them. This is also why a lot of troops use Dump pouches. So they can discard the empty quickly without dropping it.
Tactical reloads work great on the range for improving times or even in CQB. But on the battlefield you keep what you know works. Not all magazines are created equal and your life depends on them to work correctly. So keep the ones you know work with you even when empty.
SF guys would drop it because it's better that way and fast ! the SF people are normally racing the time to get things done, the military is not (most of the time) military guy may have time to reload a empty mag so it's better to keep it and take thing slowly !
When I was in combat it took me about 2 seconds to change out my magazine. If I'm trying to save an empty mag it'll take about 6 seconds. That's an eternity when your life can end in an instant.
The army probably would benefit slightly but the bigger factor is cost. For some kind of elite unit that can typically recover dropped equipment risking a $20 magazine with every reload is less of an issue than an entire army doing that
I think you will agree that as a percentage of the total number of soldiers in the army, a small number of military personnel are engaged in storming and urban battles
In army, enemy can see your empty mag and it can give them clues....in spetsnaz , enemy better see it and stop his crime,after knowing force is there with automatic guns.
It really depends on the situation. In my unit we do both kinds of mag changes. Seconds do matter in an event where you are trying to survive and not get shwaked.
I understand the arguments, but Polish operators do not thoughtlessly throw away magazines and have a supply of ammunition with them, because you never know whether a 15-minute mission will turn into a three-day fight for survival. Tactical thinking.
It's situtational. Even in US during drill, they always say that if you are in the heat of gun fire just drop the empty mag and collect it later after threat neutralize no CSM would fault you for that (don't listen to those butter bars they don't know jack) The only problem is that you did not collect those empty mags after threat neutralize. Those mag are rugged and won't damage easily even if you drop it on concrete floor.
SPETNATZ are not supposed to engage in prolonged firefights, they are good on short and precise operations, hitting where it hurts, normally against pretty low tier enemy forces, like reservists and back echelon troops, and probably shooting only a handful of times during the whole ordeal. Special forces would probably be a liability if thrown into the shook troops role, where holding and securing positions is key for victory, in a very chaotic environment where artillery and armored vehicles are both of great support and risk. The myth of making special forces fight against each other is really laughable, it would probably end in mutual annihilation, or only the side with proper and opportune reinforcements would win.
@@freetime5803 Eventually. With hideous losses and as inept an operation as any 3rd world army could mount. Drunk Rus war criminals and toilet thieves do NOT an elite force make.
@@freetime5803 With hideous losses inflicted by a marginally mobilized National Guard detachment without real weapons. Nobody believes Russia's BS anymore.
very true for every dead soldier about 250k rounds are fired while special forces way way less, in vietnam and even in ww2 it was estimated that 50k rounds were fired per kill
It’s purely situational, many things come into play such as if you have good active cover. It’s worth noting that most of them probably have a dump pouch attached to their kit at all times however If you’re in an active CQC situation for example dropping your mag is just a better alternative when you have to be as fluid as possible in that current situation.
Heres's a logistics point of view. Magzines=volume And volume is precious and limited. Every soldiers has daily logistics needs you need to deliver: food, medicine, ammo and most importantly, water. Every ccm used up by the magazine is a ccm that can't be filled with more ammo or water and it is much easier to police magazine consumption than ammo and water consumption.
This goes for a lot of SOF units. They generally have more financial resources and resources in general, which translates to their training as well - they get a lot of ammo during training and, from my personal experience, the better SOF units actually drop their magazines and never pick them up again in some cases, and you can find a lot of them in the bushes later on the range, lol SOF units are also different from regular infantry, they do planned jobs with speed and accuracy. A regular infantryman sits in a tench and if he drops all his magazines and then can’t get them back - good luck…
Exactly, most engagements for SOF units last less than 20 minutes and involve less than 30 guys. It's basically a 100 m dash compared to the Iron Man the regular grunts get to do.
Comes up with all sorts of supplies. In fact, it even applies to things like burning up GPMG barrels because you don't want to carry the weight of a spare and you only have enough ammo to burn up ONE barrel anyway. Given the cost of fuel to insert the SOF team makes the spare magazines or junking an MG barrel when you get back a *rounding error* in the cost of the operation.
The Spetsnaz and FSB are the hit and run soldiers they are supposed to be fast normal soldiers fight prolonged battles meaning throwing mags is wasteful
You might be alive to pick it up later. An empty mag is useless. The time you take to pick it up distracts you have and that can be fatal. Press the fight first.
Wtf are you talking about?!? If i need to reload and my life depends on it...why wouldn't i drop the mag?!? I can pick it up when the threat is dead.. common sense wins! 🏆
You are absolutely incorrect that frontline troops do not need to know rapid reloading. Especially when we live in a world of urban warfare and trench warfare. Getting your primary weapon back into service is a matter of life and death. Especially since infantrymen, both in the Russian Army and the US Army do not frequently carry handguns. Even the Soldiers authorized to carry handguns, such as squad leaders also don't typically carry one on mission. It becomes a personal preference.
je to technika přebijení v největším stresu a kdy každá sekunda hraje svojí roly když voják přebijí trvá to par sekund který jsou dost nouzový proto se zásobníky hází na zem a nabiji se plnej zásobník pro rychlou reakci a rychlou opětovnou nebo krycí palbu v takové situaci ti je zásobík ne tak důležitej.vojáci pak po operaci na základně vyfasujou novy zásobníky
In the Philippine Military as shown by Lt. Cabunoc in one of his YT videos, both are done. If there's an immediate threat and you are with your buddy you will do a quick reload or drop the mag while your buddy covers you. But if not a slow reload or keeping the mags is done. It depends on situation. Then after the operation or mission is done, if there are mags that was dropped they are picked up. th-cam.com/video/q49e-Uibtkg/w-d-xo.htmlsi=1jLGjVkQR9rssls3 the vid
Noticed the classroom instructor wearing a mask , for what reason ? . . oh yes Ru played along with that theatre too (Sputnik needle) as in with the WEF & the pretend of there being sides
DUH! Not just the Russians! Rather, in real battle, simulated battle, or competition retrieving a spent magazine is a waste of time. You can always pick it up later.
Tragedy of modern war. You could be the fittest, best trained, most experienced, highly motivated and state of the art armed MFer who ever stepped on a battlefield only to get offed by some dork between 3 and 300 kms away.
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Short answer: there's situations when you're behind cover and have time on your side, and there's situations when you decide that winning a gunfight is more important than saving an empty mag
100% agreed it’s not that complicated. Sometimes as well they teach you to dump with maybe a few left to avoid taking even the extra time to rack if necessary. Better to leave a few rounds in a magazine and survive than not.
This channel is litearlly take 1-sentence short answer to common question and then stretch it for 7 minutes long video so you can monetize the ads.
@tatarugabriel4328 So you go into a tactical situation with 6 mags and an extra 200 rounds. You drop 5 mags because of speed is needed, suddenly you have targets and no loaded magazine.... What do you do...Spit the rounds????
Dropping mags is the LAST OPTION. Dropping mags is a Russian and American thing.
@@okbutthenagain.9402 nope
in an open battle field you go in with 6 mags and 200 rounds.
you use things like dump pouches to store empty mags as you have have distance on your side and will use fire to suppress the enemy.
in a close environment like CQB (clearing a building) you dont carry extra rounds just magazines and you dont suppress the enemy...your shots are all about good shot placement. changing mag is about speed.
so tell me again why dropping mags is a last option?
@@okbutthenagain.9402 so in tactical situation you got the time to load bullet back into the empty magazines? I don't know that you have the time to refill empty magazines during CQB
In the Swiss infantry, we learned both, depends on the situation. if it has to go fast, the mag drops to the ground.
In pretty much any military that'd be the case, when your life is on the line, you won't really think to put the mag in a pouch and just drop it, happens often enough even in current conflicts.
Of course, but that's not the point here. Russian kids try to look cool, although their superdupamegapowerful army gets slaughtered in Ukraine.
You sound angry and homosexual
With your plastic Sig mags ......not something to do on regular basis
Let's just say you can drop a mag in a pinch but you are absolutely expected to go back and do a little _SBG_ unless you want to know exactly how loud the first sergeant can get.
In training they told us not to drop them and we had to be very careful not to loose magazines.
But our platoon sgt. said when things get real magazines are considered discardable and not in the "list"
And it really depends on the situation. Magazine is a small loss compared to a soldier who dies fumbling with the pockets and empty mag...
It's down to situation, if you have time to swap a mag without loosing one then it's obviously preferable. But sometimes speed is more important, hence the adoption of dump pouches.
For me dump pouches are the best solution. Good mixture of speed and efficiency. Only thing important to remember: dont run with a full dumppouch or some of your mags might end up jumping to their freedom (aka the void) ^^
There is a time and place for retaining and dropping the mag. Both are valid when applied to specific situations. Retain them when you can, drop them when you absolutely need to get your weapon in the fight again. Just remember, if you are getting resupplied ammunition. It is likely going to be loose ammo (not loaded in mags). So if you displaced a number of times and littered your mags everywhere and only have two magazines with you. You are gonna be fucked. You won't be running back to your old positions to pick up mags. Plan accordingly. Some units will have a few cans of pre-loaded mags that are staged just in case. However, that has to be shared with everyone.
Small unit of get in and get out-troops can drop their mags all they want because they know they can just get new ones before the end of the week. A whole batallion of prolongedly engaged troops dropping their mags everywhere is not just littering but a waste of resources and a strain on logistics.
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TL;DR:
FSB officers can often go back and retrieve their mags after an operation is complete.
When you're on the frontlines as an ordinary soldier, you can't do that, and any magazine lost is a further strain on logistics.
(Even if it isn't much of a strain, it will quickly grow if every soldier is just leaving behind their mags.)
"Efficient soldiers is not the one who is good with a rifle, but the one who is good with a shovel".
You may just have sent the entire United States into a collective apoplexy.
Not that you could notice the difference.
It was a really big discovery for me when the Ukrainian guys started talking about the fact that being able to dig in is the main skill that is required from a soldier
@@casperarms I've come across words like that all the way back to Roman times. It's true on many levels but I like it the most because it punctures the mystique of the war fighter. 😁
Wagner PMC seemed to prove that at the early part of the war.
US military seems to have forgotten what being under artillery barrage is like. It seems to think that Afghanistan and Iraq are what modern war is like. But it isn't. Ukraine has shown STARKLY just how important entrenching is. If you are interested you should look up different trench systems Russians and Ukrainians built. Those even include living quarters and command posts. Vietnamese took it a step further during Vietnam war when they made tunnel networks which were nearly impossible to clear. Israelis are finding the same problem. When enemy has a whole heap of artillery and it's their primary strike method, you do more digging than shooting.
You do realise in both the army and marine corps digging and subsequently filling and moving fighting positions is a favoured way to fuck with soldiers by the drill instructors/sargeants. They can use shovels all right.
A $15 dollar mag is not worth your life, yeet that shit when/if you get in combat
0:34 a reason to ignore that Ad
"A soldier thats good with a shovel is more valuable than one who is good with a rifle" rings true even in games like Squad lol, for all its faults and non-realistic parts, being the shovel boy has immense value.
They refer to manual labor. In my time at Ft. Benning I qualified on string trimmers, push mowers, riding mowers and ditch clearing with manual tools. I was 11B. So much for glory.
Not being able to get a new mag is probably the biggest reason over anything else. There are definitely some rare cases were how fast you can reload matter, there was one such situation I seen in a trench raid where a Russian soldier was struggling to reload(he was wounded this is why he was struggling). His reload was never going to be fast, and I can't say if he dropped his old mag or not, but in that case I think anyone would drop the mag. That soldier was killed without a loaded gun in his hand by a Ukrainian soldier.
In the US the dropping of the empty mag comes from the police world where gunfights are quick and an empty mag is useless to you. Speed is the name of the game because of the short distances of the gun fights law enforcement are usually involved in. Once everything is over, the mags can be picked up. The military has different SOPs because of different circumstances. That said, even in law enforcement we will do magazine exchanges if you have time and opportunity to do so.
In the US Marine Corps. it was more of a situation where if you have time save the mag - and that was always. It was only dropped when *absolutely* necessary, and I can recall very few instances that was the case.
I learned to drop the magazine if you're reloading in action. If you're in cover or on a tactical reload you keep the magazine. Fairly common training.
Hate to be that guy but I am.
The FSB isn't just a internal force and has operated else where and in war time and for SF guys who might need not be carrying now dead weight like a empty mag with no promise of reloading said mag why carry it? Thought I have no proof of a example of this but one might fine use of a empty mag as another means to mark a place as clear for others as a another means if one doesn't have or risk using chemlights.
For normal soldiers one could find them dropping empty mags if say there was a clear moment they have no choice but to do so for need of the moment. It's nice that you can bring back your empty mags in a safe bag for it when everything allows you to do so but when you're in a do or die moment that's just not going to always happen.
Out in the field you DO NOT throw your mags away. If you lose mags, you can't reload, and resupply drop may not include new ones. You NEED them because that's where you put your ammo so you can fight. That's why soldiers carry the mag drop pouches these days: to retain spent mags.
SF in a building drop them because they know that they'll come back after battle and calmly pick them up. Also they'll have to fill out loads of paperwork over lost military property.
@@Max_Da_G Agreed on ideal terms but in said moment that forces you which will happen from time to time it will force you to drop them either willingly or not. Fire fights and overall battles aren't always going to plan or end up the way one wishes it to be and the means to change or adjust to the moment either as a group or on one's own is needed.
If the operation is under control and allows you to do said thing than yes but if it doesn't than what is stated before means nothings in the line of contact with hostile forces.
Dude, FSB=FBI+SWAT just embrace this fact. It's internal security service with more power than police.
@@MrPovsekakiy FBS is granted more of internal service and many SF units in it are internal but due recall oversea and outside of Russia borders.
I remember granted it's been a long time since than but A Group was operating in urban battles and in one case for some reason with Hez-boll-ah (not sure if yt loses it minds on this better play it safe or just Hez) patches on them.
From my personal understanding of FSB it's a mix of FBI, NSA and CIA.
@@MrPovsekakiy Before you hate me dude I'm learning as much as I can along the way based on what I'm personally aware and how things are exampled to me both as a non-Russian and outside of their said organization that groups up their SF units and how they work and what is reported/guess.
Gathering clear intel on how anything works at times from the west and how much BS is pushed our ways makes it more harder to impossible to get a good read on these matters.
The author is exaggerating. Russian soldiers are also throwing empty magazines on the ground. It all depends on the situation in which the soldier found himself.
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Sitiation dictates. We drop mags in the US as well. But it depends on the tempo of the engagement. If youre in a high tempo/close quarter intense firefight you drop the mags and pick them up later if possible. If you have time to slowdown and change mags and those few extra seconds dont matter than you stow them right then and there. Mags are cheap and plentifull it really comes down to timing and logistics. If you risk getting hit by not returning fire right away drop it. If youre not gona get resupplied in ages, aviod dropping them. This is also why a lot of troops use Dump pouches. So they can discard the empty quickly without dropping it.
Tactical reloads work great on the range for improving times or even in CQB. But on the battlefield you keep what you know works. Not all magazines are created equal and your life depends on them to work correctly. So keep the ones you know work with you even when empty.
SF guys would drop it because it's better that way and fast !
the SF people are normally racing the time to get things done, the military is not (most of the time)
military guy may have time to reload a empty mag so it's better to keep it and take thing slowly !
also see them sometimes with a pouch on their hip for dumping it in. it depends
The way I was taught was "You will have plenty of time to pick up your empty mags and their mags after the threat is neutralized."
When I was in the service 40 plus years ago we never dropped our mags.
Depends on the situation..... Personally I don't like mag dropping. ...but in CQB can happen
Gotta love the Oxide footage.
When I was in combat it took me about 2 seconds to change out my magazine. If I'm trying to save an empty mag it'll take about 6 seconds. That's an eternity when your life can end in an instant.
Great video as always, thanks Casper
Putting Magazines back into pouches is a pain use a dump pouch
Or your shirt.
Use the cargo pockets of the trousers.
The army probably would benefit slightly but the bigger factor is cost. For some kind of elite unit that can typically recover dropped equipment risking a $20 magazine with every reload is less of an issue than an entire army doing that
4:44 in Ukraine we’ve seen a lot of close quarter combat. In trenches or in villages and so on
I think you will agree that as a percentage of the total number of soldiers in the army, a small number of military personnel are engaged in storming and urban battles
In army, enemy can see your empty mag and it can give them clues....in spetsnaz , enemy better see it and stop his crime,after knowing force is there with automatic guns.
Trenches can be close quarters and buildings
thanks man for talking about this.
officer would make you run under fire to pick up the mag you dropped on the ground 😂😂😂
It really depends on the situation. In my unit we do both kinds of mag changes. Seconds do matter in an event where you are trying to survive and not get shwaked.
For the same reason most U.S. soldiers have dump pouches drop and go the faster you reload the longer the enemy isn’t shooting at you
I understand the arguments, but Polish operators do not thoughtlessly throw away magazines and have a supply of ammunition with them, because you never know whether a 15-minute mission will turn into a three-day fight for survival. Tactical thinking.
It's situtational.
Even in US during drill, they always say that if you are in the heat of gun fire just drop the empty mag and collect it later after threat neutralize no CSM would fault you for that (don't listen to those butter bars they don't know jack)
The only problem is that you did not collect those empty mags after threat neutralize. Those mag are rugged and won't damage easily even if you drop it on concrete floor.
SPETNATZ are not supposed to engage in prolonged firefights, they are good on short and precise operations, hitting where it hurts, normally against pretty low tier enemy forces, like reservists and back echelon troops, and probably shooting only a handful of times during the whole ordeal.
Special forces would probably be a liability if thrown into the shook troops role, where holding and securing positions is key for victory, in a very chaotic environment where artillery and armored vehicles are both of great support and risk.
The myth of making special forces fight against each other is really laughable, it would probably end in mutual annihilation, or only the side with proper and opportune reinforcements would win.
They are a joke. Couldn't even take Hostomel from half awake, organized, Ukrainian National Guard. Words out about Russia.
@@hanovergreen4091 yet they did actually take Hostomel.
@@freetime5803 Eventually. With hideous losses and as inept an operation as any 3rd world army could mount. Drunk Rus war criminals and toilet thieves do NOT an elite force make.
@@freetime5803 With hideous losses inflicted by a marginally mobilized National Guard detachment without real weapons. Nobody believes Russia's BS anymore.
@hanovergreen4091 They did hold for a good month😊. Ukraine can not do anything until they left willingly😊.
If your life depends on a a split second,you don’t waste your time thinking about a empty magazine.
very true for every dead soldier about 250k rounds are fired while special forces way way less, in vietnam and even in ww2 it was estimated that 50k rounds were fired per kill
It’s purely situational, many things come into play such as if you have good active cover. It’s worth noting that most of them probably have a dump pouch attached to their kit at all times however If you’re in an active CQC situation for example dropping your mag is just a better alternative when you have to be as fluid as possible in that current situation.
Heres's a logistics point of view. Magzines=volume
And volume is precious and limited.
Every soldiers has daily logistics needs you need to deliver: food, medicine, ammo and most importantly, water.
Every ccm used up by the magazine is a ccm that can't be filled with more ammo or water and it is much easier to police magazine consumption than ammo and water consumption.
This goes for a lot of SOF units. They generally have more financial resources and resources in general, which translates to their training as well - they get a lot of ammo during training and, from my personal experience, the better SOF units actually drop their magazines and never pick them up again in some cases, and you can find a lot of them in the bushes later on the range, lol
SOF units are also different from regular infantry, they do planned jobs with speed and accuracy. A regular infantryman sits in a tench and if he drops all his magazines and then can’t get them back - good luck…
Exactly, most engagements for SOF units last less than 20 minutes and involve less than 30 guys. It's basically a 100 m dash compared to the Iron Man the regular grunts get to do.
Comes up with all sorts of supplies. In fact, it even applies to things like burning up GPMG barrels because you don't want to carry the weight of a spare and you only have enough ammo to burn up ONE barrel anyway.
Given the cost of fuel to insert the SOF team makes the spare magazines or junking an MG barrel when you get back a *rounding error* in the cost of the operation.
The Spetsnaz and FSB are the hit and run soldiers they are supposed to be fast normal soldiers fight prolonged battles meaning throwing mags is wasteful
Well they can, since their AK Mags can be used as Hammers to Beat Nails they are very resistent to Falling damage
Finish the fight then police up your mags, nothing unusual I trained the same way.
If i have more items to use later and for refill ammunation again, id rather have that option if i get out of some situation
They all insured them with Prapor
Yeah once the other person is taken care of you can pick them up later.
2:26
I felt that mud 😢
"Boy, why do our 'elite' meatsheild units just drop their Mags." Boy, what a deep question, lmao
Soldiers have to drag fights out. Ammo can get tight.
Spec ops get in and out. So they can afford to drop mags.
Mag drops is not the problem. Will they try and retrieve those magazines they have drop.
You might be alive to pick it up later. An empty mag is useless. The time you take to pick it up distracts you have and that can be fatal. Press the fight first.
"Theres a number of footage of speznas.."
Then why do i constantly see oxide, an american in russian equipment.
Because I choose the best footage
@@casperarms fair fair, wasnt a callout or anything 🙏🏻
It's okay, I'm not at that age to be offended by possible misunderstandings ☺️
Wtf are you talking about?!? If i need to reload and my life depends on it...why wouldn't i drop the mag?!? I can pick it up when the threat is dead.. common sense wins! 🏆
I’ve seen combat footage of many regular Russian soldiers drop countless mags when reloading. Magazines aren’t scares in Ukraine
VSS next
So that they can find back home.
Sir, you're damn right!
I lov Spetsnaz
You are absolutely incorrect that frontline troops do not need to know rapid reloading. Especially when we live in a world of urban warfare and trench warfare. Getting your primary weapon back into service is a matter of life and death. Especially since infantrymen, both in the Russian Army and the US Army do not frequently carry handguns. Even the Soldiers authorized to carry handguns, such as squad leaders also don't typically carry one on mission. It becomes a personal preference.
je to technika přebijení v největším stresu a kdy každá sekunda hraje svojí roly když voják přebijí trvá to par sekund který jsou dost nouzový proto se zásobníky hází na zem a nabiji se plnej zásobník pro rychlou reakci a rychlou opětovnou nebo krycí palbu v takové situaci ti je zásobík ne tak důležitej.vojáci pak po operaci na základně vyfasujou novy zásobníky
In the Philippine Military as shown by Lt. Cabunoc in one of his YT videos, both are done. If there's an immediate threat and you are with your buddy you will do a quick reload or drop the mag while your buddy covers you. But if not a slow reload or keeping the mags is done. It depends on situation. Then after the operation or mission is done, if there are mags that was dropped they are picked up.
th-cam.com/video/q49e-Uibtkg/w-d-xo.htmlsi=1jLGjVkQR9rssls3 the vid
Because Spetsnaz is rude and doesn't listen to his papa. Infantry is a good boy and doesn't want pops to waste money to buy new mags every time
I mean if i raided a trench and got a free mag i woildnt dump it on the ground
Noticed the classroom instructor wearing a mask , for what reason ? . . oh yes Ru played along with that theatre too (Sputnik needle) as in with the WEF & the pretend of there being sides
the spetnas is no more , the asov battalyon has kicked their aggressor a55es
😂😂😂😂😂🤡
Short answer: Coz one is government lapdog stuffed with money and the other is cannon fodder that is worth less that it's equipment
Coz it isn’t worth it
hope you to talk about russians pdw😁
DUH! Not just the Russians! Rather, in real battle, simulated battle, or competition retrieving a spent magazine is a waste of time. You can always pick it up later.
2:10 are those guys japanese?
Nope
All that training just to get photobombed by fpv drone.
Tragedy of modern war. You could be the fittest, best trained, most experienced, highly motivated and state of the art armed MFer who ever stepped on a battlefield only to get offed by some dork between 3 and 300 kms away.
Sir, you former Russian or Ukrainian soldier?
I'm just interested in the military sphere. At one time, I studied at the military academy in Russia. Long before the war began
@@casperarms ok, keep it up.
@@casperarmsglad you avoided that.
Absolutely. I'm glad that I won't have to look for excuses many years later, telling my children and grandchildren about what I did at that time
Sup with the voice?
I am not a native speaker
@@casperarms okay. Good vid
Thank you so much! 🔥
Fix your English please
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Wow
Strange, I thought they all drop together with their mags. Spetsnaz get slaughtered in Ukraine and they drop, russian soldiers drop too.
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