@@trippinhard250 I hate the term, "late stage capitalism" because it implies we're at the end of history. Yet, when you look over at europe, clearly their variants of capitalism are ahead of us. It's possible to evolve american capitalism into a better system, don't talk like it's the end.
And what about servers and supercomputers where performance is much more important whatever it costs? Its the main income for Nvidia, AMD and Intel btw and AMD can do nothing against Nvidia there
I'll be honest even that I use AMD but AMD will never beat Nvidia if they make every features they' have software base so far example a software base Ray tracing will never beat hardware base Ray tracing just never yes AMD do it so older AMD GPU can use it but that just holding em back I'm just telling the truth so that's why Nvidia always far ahead in Ray tracing and other features
amd is still generations behind nvidia. it is not just performance it is also features. it's like two cars that can go up to the same speed with one being cheap and the other being expensive but the expensive one has a camera for parking, automatic, comfortable, and generally easier to drive.
@@Carlos.288 They DO make better GPUs, they just don't sell them to the public, for example I heard the Mac Studio has an exclusive AMD graphics card and some guy managed to put it into a windows PC and it outperformed the 4080 Super.
That's what a lot of people don't understand. We need to ensure there is competition, otherwise no improvements will be made, and prices will creep up. Because of this, I tend to always root for the underdog, even if they are worse at the given moment.
Intel's share of CPU sales is about 76% vs AMDs historic high of 24%. Don't fall for this BS, AMD still has a long way to go to bounce back from Intel's past superiority. This guys full of sht.
@@legendmaster1989 LMAO. I own AMD and don't plan to switch to Intel for a long time. Just do your own research, AMD is still far behind in terms of market share, which is why Intel is still doing shitty anti-consumer bs. My whole point is: AMD beating Intel is not a problem as this video claims, and consumers still need to support AMD vs Intel if they want a fairer market.
@@TheObscuran intel has higher shares cus they paid stores extra to sell their chips and mark down amd as bad and they paid extra just for their stuff plus the userbenchmark dilema? more intel problems making amd better and rightfully deserve the higher shares
@@cheesecake7159 yet it will never go back down. And the same issue will spread to every AMD chip. We will have another Nvidia for CPU. Get ready for a $2000 CPU and a low-end of $800.
We had a world where one company dominated Intel used to be that company. It was not a good time for AMD and Intel really had no incentive to lower their prices.
I remember ryzen 7 7800x3d being around 300$, but now it's being sold at 400$ because there is no competition to that card. So yeah there needs to be competition between them.
The thing is Intel is trying to compete with. When the 5800X3D came out and dethroned all their 12th gen CPUs, they released the 12900KS as a response. The KS series is meant to compete with the X3D line. Even though X3D destroys them.
Its not looking good for intel even with ryzen 9000 being just basically ryzen 7000 refresh it feels like, anyways I hope intel straightens up hardware degredation issues and gets a double digit jump in power effiency and ipc uplift they need it, amd or intel isnt your friend never will be if they can take the easy way out they will@@PhoenixKeebs
@starnoelle8248 if you think it's a refresh then you never looked at power consumption, 13th and 14th was a refresh with power increasing on 14th, the new 9000s chips draw 40% less power and gets 2-5% increase in performance, run the chip at the full tdp of the 7000 chips and you get a monster of a chip, you people honestly don't care about efficiency but also then complain about not being able to cool the hot 13th and 14th chips because they are hot piles if trash and draw 3x the 7000s but more than 4× the 9000s series
There are other ones including GlobalFoundries (former AMD in-house fabs), UMC (United Microelectronics Corp., local competitor of TSMC in Taiwan), Intel also make chips for other companies, and many others (ST Micro, Texas Instruments, Nanya (Taiwan), Micron, etc.) obviously, TSMC and Samsung are the top dogs currently focused with AMD
That was in the late 90s. It used to be 3 for a brief period of time (3dfx, Nvidia, and ATI). Before that I'm not too sure. As for CPU, AMD and Intel were competing (racing to the ghz clockspeed)
Zach the discord sever is harassing me for choosing a NVIDIA gpu saying I’m stupid even though I want dlss and ray tracing. I know price to performance is better on amd but I personally like nvidia. The community should be helping instead of saying I’m dumb for choosing nvidia. It’s a matter of preference.
Your life your choices, i like nvidia way more than amd because of past experiences im hopefully never touching an amd card again they gave me wayyy too much trouble with drivers on 6000 series, anyway if you like nvidia choose nvidia there is no bad gpu just bad prices so just search for a good deal in a good nvidia gpu and youll be good to go.
yea thats wrong, if u like nvidia then buy nvidia. you can throw money into a fire, and as long as you're okay with that, its nobody's business. i guess thats a little harsh, i dont think nvidia is that bad but seriously though, you do you. the main thing though, is picking the right nvidia card. if you bought, lets say, a 3050 brand new, im sorry to break the news to you.
AMD fanboys are becoming like Android fanboys. Every single iPhone reel on Instagram is bombarded by angry Android fanboys seething about Apple being trash or whatever. Even the trailers and reviews here on TH-cam have these mole people climb out of their dark caves just to hate.
Many fanboys really hope AMD would completely destroy Intel or let Intel died forever, which is very wrong about it. Competitions are very crucial, every company would suddenly bounce back to better products for fixing critical issues.
Intel sells 76% of all desktop CPUs vs AMDs 24%, this is not going to be a problem for quite a while. This dude is full of it, the best thing that can happen is that this trend continues until AMD has bounced back to something closer to half, so Intel actually has to compete. Again, this guy is giving you no context whatsoever.
@@TheObscuran you have 2004-year statistics? This is not like this nowadays, and Intel also has contracts for office computers. Who cares about office computers?
We talking newer gen sales Like 10th gen+ And ryzen 2nd gen to 9th gen Most people still have old 3rd and 4th gen intel cpus So this Market share is a result of years of dominance by intel
@@SssNiTroGeN Try to read something before you bullsht. Q1 2024 Desktop CPU sales are 24% for AMD vs 76% for Intel. This guy is full of shit. In laptops it is even worse. And this is a record high for AMD, in the past it has been even worse. They are barely starting to recover from intel's dominance.
@@choco8850 bruh... Are you stupid or what ? Its not about that Its about who is rising and who is falling Intel is not getting any profit from those people with 4th gen i5's
@@choco8850 And still is till this day. But Intel is losing their market share to AMD rapidly. So expect a few years down the line, AMD's marketshare will rival that of Intel
Competition is better until one or multiple sides decide to play dirty or not try at all. Moral is, pick what's best for your needs, ND help others with what they need.
Watch Nvidia flagship GPU prices skyrocket now that AMD left the high end and focuses on mid range and low end. 6900XT/6950XT actually matched and beat the 3090 They attempted the same with 7900XTX but somewhat failed due to unexpected problems from the architecture
Brand loyalty is not a good thing, and we’re now seeing a flip where before many ppl didn’t want to use amd due to loyalty to intel but since amd has started to completely kill it, we’re starting to see the opposite sentiment of “always go amd”. We want smth in the middle like with when 12th gen intel dropped, where you could not go wrong with either.
On the flipside, I like it when a brand really dials in on the one thing they really make well, as opposed to a Jack of All Trades Master of None approach, and it's also a lot less confusing for us consumers when the time comes to actually buy the product, now I'm saying all this in a perfect world where companies would do this and not be assholes about it purely because no one else is on par or does a similar job which is unrealistic to be fair but just imagine that world.
@@paradoxx_4221 Good relief! I thought facebook will keep getting away. Well, now I guess I'd need to know what's with Tweeter. Russian bots? Lack of censure?
its completely irrelvant and not compareable to twitter, wtf are you talking about. Intel's latest gen cpu sucks. elon overpaid for Twitter, saddled the debt of buying twitter on twtiter's financials, and shitty rebrand. There's like no similarities. Only similarity is that they are both doing bad but thats so general.
Its not even AMD outcompeting, they do whats expected and provide good quality. Intel shot themselves in the foot by not quality checking their 13 and 14th gen lol
Somehow the 12th gen is the best gaming cpu in 2022 but 13th and 14th gen fall and yeah because Intel shot themselves in the foot by not quality checking
This. I remember buying an HP DV6 laptop, which came with an Intel i7 2630QM CPU. The thing never stayed below 90 degrees when playing the most basic games like HL 1. Then I switched to AMD. Not because of that incident, but because I do a lot of other things besides gaming
In the enterprise market it's switching over to AMD pretty hard, and since enterprise equipment has massive margins Intel is finding they are having big shortfalls in their budget.
AMD destroying Intel is a matter of Karma. Intel was lying to us by saying consumer cpus couldn't have more than four cores, and as soon as AMD came out with eight core cpus, they just happened to have six core cpus ready to be released.
It goes way further back. They would pay OEMs to not use AMD CPUs for a while until they got taken to court. It took them nearly 20 years to pay that court award... I remember trying to buy AMD CPUs back then and retailers trying to palm intel off onto me. I said to them "I can see that Intel sign in the front of your shop, I don't want their CPU and I don't care if you don't get paid to sell AMD". They stopped that stuff really quick. One even let me come in a pick batches which ended up in finding a world record setting golden sample.
@@amanosatoshitranslateswindows is like the best example what happens if a company is practically having a monopole in a certain area. Windows/Microsoft can do whatever tf they want, people will still stick to the OS. Especially in the corporate world where a lot of tasks are bound to Microsoft applications
Less than 10 years ago AMD was on the brink of bankruptcy. Hoping they can compete with two companies like Intel and Nvidia in two different areas at the same time is crazy. They don't have the budget for that, they haven't been killing it for that long to afford that. They're beating Intel at all levels and competing with Nvidia at entry level and mid-range. And that's enough.
True, you need competition. Not a single company became successful without some proper competition. Competition improves prices, quality, and improvement in companies.
Intel still holds the vast majority of all x86 market share. In a de facto duopoly, the best consumers can hope for is an even split of market share to bring about the most competition. Therefore, therefore, it is objectively in the interests of every consumer for AMD to continue beating Intel until AMD has achieved 50% market share, which they are still far from.... In other words anybody currently cheering for intel is literally cheering against their own self interest
Pretty much my thoughts exactly. If Intel fix their problems with 15th gen, they will continue with their sh*tty and anti-competitive practices. After all, most of the world is oblivious to the drama around 13th & 14th gen. If Intel can keep screwing up until 17th or 18th gen, then we might see some level-pegging competition, rather than AMD being a minor irritation to Intel.
For those who don't know, ATI/AMD and Nvidia competed neck to neck between 2002ish to 2010ish ( AMD bought ATI around 2005). During that period, Nvidia was trailing behind especially the GeForce FX where it almost caused Nvidia to go bankrupt (The game changer was the GTX 8800 series). The most exciting period was in the late 90s to early 2010s as hardware can be outdated within 6 months. However, there were way too many selections for consumer. Some include: 3dfx (voodoo series, and nvidia bought it in 2000), Matrox (Parheila, as it was advertised as supporting triple monitor), 3dLabs ( supported 128MB of vram when others had 32 to 64MB at that time), etc..
the amount of ppl intel has 'laid off' is crazy... and you know those jobs aren't coming back. intel is going to pivot hard with their 18A node, focusing on commercial grade servers... leaving AMD to dominate and eventually just charge whatever price they want to. it's actually a sad state of affairs.
I want to see AMD being a high end and expensive CPU company (GPUs can stay as they are) and Intel making not the best in terms of performance but the best in fps per dollar
A lot of people do not understand that while Intel just avoided serious trouble, its not like its going to go away. It is still the market leader in laptop and datacenter CPU sales. They also have their own fabs and are finally in position to actually use them. I expect Intel to catch up to AMD in value in the next 5 years, or even faster depending on their AI offerings where both Nvidia and AMD are strong, but theres plenty more slices in that cake for others.
Agreed. I was a huge intel fan simply because. Than AMD started getting good again and I switched sides. If Intel gets their security issues and other issues straightened out than I might switch back over. I don't want one side to dominate so much over the other; as a side thought a 3rd party CPU company would be interesting from a shopping perspective.
No.. No I remember what has happened thanks to intel. We had all kinds of awesome architecture, 68K, PPC, SPARC, MIPS , ETC, ETC. Thanks to intel and it's monopolistic and down right awful business practices we pretty much stuck with X86 or ARM. So no, intel getting hammered is a good thing.
Thank you for the insight, Mr. Zach. I consider my next PC build will be AMD AM5 B650M DDR5. Intel must accept the fact, that Intel is now being dethroned from CPU domination.
Intel could release the best cpu ever next generation, I'm still not buying it. They've gotta prove they're going to take care of their customers, and they've done the opposite at every opportunity
This sucks for me as I built my first pc with an Intel CPU back in 2022 when it was still considered the best option. Now I can't even think about upgrading my processor without the risk of losing a hefty amount of money.
I’ll just say it, I’m an intel fan, and I really hope they can make a comeback. I’m not some diehard fan, and 3 of my machines are amd based, because I know better than to pick based on a brand, and I’m not looking to make arguments. I just like intel’s vibe more overall. When ryzen came out and intel started needing to actually try and do stuff, it was an awesome few years with killer stuff on both sides, but if intel doesn’t get their stuff together, I fear we might get stuck in another dark age with one company doing minimal upgrades with each generation.
Even tho i am a AMD user i agree. Competitive market means lower prices for a better product. Imagine if SMD 7950xtx would compete with the RTX 4090. We'd see 2000$ RTX4090s be 1200-1500$
I actually want more than 3 company to compete with each other in any category (no matter just about cpu, but in everything like GPU, chip making etc.)
I am team Intel. Even though they messed up big time with their instability issue, the unaffected ones are still reigning as the best Processors in this world and as Arrow Lake is getting an NPU and lots of other things, we might see great improvements in Speed, Battery life (If on a laptop) and maybe improvements with heat issues
Intel has been dominant for decades. Now that AMD has caught up and surpassed Intel, ppl now harping on "we want companies to be competitive because it's better for consumers". Why is it no one complained when Intel practically had the market to itself for decades.
12th gen CPUs are really good, in fact the 13th and 14th gens are good as well by now. The 0x129 microcode update fixed the whole clusterfuck which they created. Too bad it took them too long to fix the issue. Their reputation is tarnished at the moment and they only got themselves to blame for it. That being said, I own a 13700k and it runs perfectly.
unfortunately this is what happened: 13th and 14th were a Waterloo for the little blue house. As for the 9000 amd, they were not understood. in short: they heat up less, consume less, perform 10% more. this after less than a year of development! ok, if they had called them 7000Eco we would have called them pure gold. Now, nvidia; the 7900XTX beats the 4080 in all resolutions. in raytracing? it only loses a few percentage points in some games. the difference is only visible on cyberpunk and alan wake 2, and on AW2 the 4080 does not touch 60 with everything at maximum... the price difference is only visible in america. in italy the 7900xtx cost the same as the 4080...
Well said though for the nvidia situation its purely the consumer to blame. Amd basically always had the better offers in the mid range segment where the actual sales happen long before ray tracing or dlss was a thing. The rx580 while on par with the 1060 used to go for up to 50% cheaper. Yet the 1060 sold 10 times as much. The current pricing is home made by gamers.
I mean that's what happened with Sony's PlayStation5 Pro. Now that there's no competition, they spike up the price. The "Console War" was stupid to begin with.
what we think happens in theory : Company A: I am better and by selling at a cheaper price I'll sell more than you Company B : I'll lower my prices and/or increase the quality then What actually happens: Company A : Tough times uh ? Let's raise the prices and say it's inflation, we can make more money that way Company B: great idea
It’s just not competition to try and remain on top or to get the top spot back, it’s also about price. If there was only a single company then they could price what their selling at any cost and there’s no competition to lower it.
Agree, not just PC hardware market, in every industry of capitalism, the more competition is always better of conaumers, and less competition is always better for manufacturers। Monopoly is a wet dream of any capitalist, and also the worst nightmare of consumer.
The cilapse of Intel is related to the WINTEL model falling. AMD sales are not striking because experienced users are going Linux but the majority are going Apple.
@@hajimehinata5854 To tell you the truth, there is nothing wrong with a AMD Mid range card, it will still do 1440p decent frame rate, maybe even 4k 60., So if Nvidia wants to be jerks (Which I get, it is a business) Then we have AMD and Intel......Maybe/?? lol
And, if only one company was producing CPUs or GPUs, the price would be very high, as they have no competition and they can do what they want with the price.
the problem is expecting two companies to make products that fully compare to each other is a pipe dream. one will always be better than the other. It boils down to that advantage swaying back and forth as regularly as possible generation over generation. what's really needed is more players in this market that spread out the market share across a wider group of companies. More choice means more competition and innovation to one up that competition.
I want Intel to bounce back because I want to see even more options for CPUs with Quick Sync also I want it to push AMD to add their own version for things like Plex.
It’s basic business ethics, if one company has a monopoly for one product, (AMD CPUs for example) then they can up the prices as much as they want. People will buy them no matter what.
I remember when intel dominate the CPU market in 2010s with their intel core series. Intel keep making their i7 a 4 CORE cpu and they keep doing that until AMD release their 8 Core Ryzen 7. And now we have a 14 Core i7 thanks to AMD.
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More competition is always better
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Moral of the story, don't fan boy companies. Fan boy good value.
So still AMD¿
@@jakeleo4518Until they start getting lax then fan-boy whatever company has the best value
Yeah be neutral don't be a fanboy.
That's what I do and will recommend everyone else too.
ridiculous, fanboy companies is superior
Competition is what got us on the moon. Corporations need to start being unique instead of just trying to monopolize
Great way of saying that
Endgame for capital is consolidation and monopoly it's like telling the big fish to stop eating the little ones.
@@s-nooze pretty much what late stage capitalism is. I'm waiting for the reset switch
@@trippinhard250 I hate the term, "late stage capitalism" because it implies we're at the end of history. Yet, when you look over at europe, clearly their variants of capitalism are ahead of us. It's possible to evolve american capitalism into a better system, don't talk like it's the end.
@@tumultoustortellini nobody implied it was the end of history. Capitalism will end eventually but history will not.
AMD doesn't try to outperform Nvidia because they know people will buy for their value rather than performance
Well, they could both make the best GPU and sell better value cards than Nvidia
And what about servers and supercomputers where performance is much more important whatever it costs? Its the main income for Nvidia, AMD and Intel btw and AMD can do nothing against Nvidia there
I'll be honest even that I use AMD but AMD will never beat Nvidia if they make every features they' have software base so far example a software base Ray tracing will never beat hardware base Ray tracing just never yes AMD do it so older AMD GPU can use it but that just holding em back I'm just telling the truth so that's why Nvidia always far ahead in Ray tracing and other features
amd is still generations behind nvidia.
it is not just performance it is also features.
it's like two cars that can go up to the same speed with one being cheap and the other being expensive but the expensive one has a camera for parking, automatic, comfortable, and generally easier to drive.
@@Carlos.288 They DO make better GPUs, they just don't sell them to the public, for example I heard the Mac Studio has an exclusive AMD graphics card and some guy managed to put it into a windows PC and it outperformed the 4080 Super.
Competition is a win-win situation. Manufacturers are continuously aiming for a better product and we get cheaper price tags too
Meanwhile that's not what happened. Intel lied and messed with numbers.
@@darkstalkerknight63 Not really. Intel would do better for 15th Gen processor in next year.
thanks for summarizing the video bro I forgot to watch it
@@darkstalkerknight63 Intel 76% of CPU sales, vs AMD 24%, ofc Intel doesn't have to compete, this is a non-issue, this guy is full of it.
@@TheObscuran Kind of. Those numbers are skewed by prebuilts and corporate scale orders.
Some people are clearly too young to remember a decade of 4 core i7s with 3-5% generational improvements
Back In the days when AMD was awful and everyone dreamed about having an Intel CPU
I bought AMD because of that. Kaveri and Carrizo APUs!
Yeah, this video is POINTLESS, and shortsighted as shit
That's what a lot of people don't understand. We need to ensure there is competition, otherwise no improvements will be made, and prices will creep up.
Because of this, I tend to always root for the underdog, even if they are worse at the given moment.
Intel's share of CPU sales is about 76% vs AMDs historic high of 24%. Don't fall for this BS, AMD still has a long way to go to bounce back from Intel's past superiority. This guys full of sht.
@@TheObscuranintel fanboy u don’t count
@@TheObscuranamd is alr bounced back and is dominating
@@legendmaster1989 LMAO. I own AMD and don't plan to switch to Intel for a long time. Just do your own research, AMD is still far behind in terms of market share, which is why Intel is still doing shitty anti-consumer bs.
My whole point is: AMD beating Intel is not a problem as this video claims, and consumers still need to support AMD vs Intel if they want a fairer market.
@@TheObscuran intel has higher shares cus they paid stores extra to sell their chips and mark down amd as bad and they paid extra just for their stuff plus the userbenchmark dilema? more intel problems making amd better and rightfully deserve the higher shares
It already is. The 7800x3d have massively jumped in price
I warned everyone of this happening before Zen5 and Intel issues becoming widely known...
I’ve seen the 7800x3d jump from $340 to $500 to $600
It happened bcs people dump intel, it just supply and demand issue
@@cheesecake7159 yet it will never go back down. And the same issue will spread to every AMD chip. We will have another Nvidia for CPU. Get ready for a $2000 CPU and a low-end of $800.
I guess I got lucky. I picked my 7800x3d for $300 a month ago lol
We had a world where one company dominated Intel used to be that company. It was not a good time for AMD and Intel really had no incentive to lower their prices.
I remember ryzen 7 7800x3d being around 300$, but now it's being sold at 400$ because there is no competition to that card. So yeah there needs to be competition between them.
Yeah i thought I'm the only one who noticed that 7800x3d was 300 and now it's 400
The thing is Intel is trying to compete with. When the 5800X3D came out and dethroned all their 12th gen CPUs, they released the 12900KS as a response. The KS series is meant to compete with the X3D line. Even though X3D destroys them.
Its not looking good for intel even with ryzen 9000 being just basically ryzen 7000 refresh it feels like, anyways I hope intel straightens up hardware degredation issues and gets a double digit jump in power effiency and ipc uplift they need it, amd or intel isnt your friend never will be if they can take the easy way out they will@@PhoenixKeebs
Um I find it under $300 all the time, maybe don't look at 3rd party distributors
@starnoelle8248 if you think it's a refresh then you never looked at power consumption, 13th and 14th was a refresh with power increasing on 14th, the new 9000s chips draw 40% less power and gets 2-5% increase in performance, run the chip at the full tdp of the 7000 chips and you get a monster of a chip, you people honestly don't care about efficiency but also then complain about not being able to cool the hot 13th and 14th chips because they are hot piles if trash and draw 3x the 7000s but more than 4× the 9000s series
This is why I really want Intel to up their GPU game at solid prices and for Qualcomm to start the influx of ARM on PC.
And for software companies to start doing ARM for PC support. Many have had years of ARM on MacOS
I agree, I already hate that there are only 2 chip bakeries for 7 billion people. (TsMC and Samsung)
There are other ones including GlobalFoundries (former AMD in-house fabs), UMC (United Microelectronics Corp., local competitor of TSMC in Taiwan), Intel also make chips for other companies, and many others (ST Micro, Texas Instruments, Nanya (Taiwan), Micron, etc.)
obviously, TSMC and Samsung are the top dogs currently focused with AMD
@@ninjasiren their contribution is in past and not very productive
I dont want Intel to go away either even as an AMD user, AMD only got to where they are because of competition from Intel.
I agree we need more Cpu and Gpu brands competing it out!
That was in the late 90s. It used to be 3 for a brief period of time (3dfx, Nvidia, and ATI). Before that I'm not too sure. As for CPU, AMD and Intel were competing (racing to the ghz clockspeed)
AMD has good leadership
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More competition is better ✅
Releasing unstable CPU into market due to competition and not telling the customers... Not better❌
Without intel that just makes the Amd CPU’s so much more expensive 😢
Zach, your channel turned me into the tech support of my family and my friend group.
Zach the discord sever is harassing me for choosing a NVIDIA gpu saying I’m stupid even though I want dlss and ray tracing. I know price to performance is better on amd but I personally like nvidia. The community should be helping instead of saying I’m dumb for choosing nvidia. It’s a matter of preference.
Your life your choices, i like nvidia way more than amd because of past experiences im hopefully never touching an amd card again they gave me wayyy too much trouble with drivers on 6000 series, anyway if you like nvidia choose nvidia there is no bad gpu just bad prices so just search for a good deal in a good nvidia gpu and youll be good to go.
What's your budget?
yea thats wrong, if u like nvidia then buy nvidia. you can throw money into a fire, and as long as you're okay with that, its nobody's business.
i guess thats a little harsh, i dont think nvidia is that bad but seriously though, you do you. the main thing though, is picking the right nvidia card. if you bought, lets say, a 3050 brand new, im sorry to break the news to you.
AMD fanboys are becoming like Android fanboys. Every single iPhone reel on Instagram is bombarded by angry Android fanboys seething about Apple being trash or whatever.
Even the trailers and reviews here on TH-cam have these mole people climb out of their dark caves just to hate.
@@trippinhard250 I think your problem might be that you're watching insta reels
AMD will become what the AMD fans hate about Intel.
Yeah definitely, fanboyism over company is stupid
Many fanboys really hope AMD would completely destroy Intel or let Intel died forever, which is very wrong about it. Competitions are very crucial, every company would suddenly bounce back to better products for fixing critical issues.
Intel sells 76% of all desktop CPUs vs AMDs 24%, this is not going to be a problem for quite a while. This dude is full of it, the best thing that can happen is that this trend continues until AMD has bounced back to something closer to half, so Intel actually has to compete. Again, this guy is giving you no context whatsoever.
@@TheObscuran you have 2004-year statistics? This is not like this nowadays, and Intel also has contracts for office computers. Who cares about office computers?
@@danielshevchenko3415 Those numbers are from Q1 this year. Research before you talk out of your ass.
Idk about destroying. Intel still has like 75-80 percent on the CPU market share.
We talking newer gen sales
Like 10th gen+
And ryzen 2nd gen to 9th gen
Most people still have old 3rd and 4th gen intel cpus
So this Market share is a result of years of dominance by intel
@@SssNiTroGeNdoesnt change the fact that intel is still more popular
@@SssNiTroGeN Try to read something before you bullsht. Q1 2024 Desktop CPU sales are 24% for AMD vs 76% for Intel. This guy is full of shit. In laptops it is even worse.
And this is a record high for AMD, in the past it has been even worse. They are barely starting to recover from intel's dominance.
@@choco8850 bruh... Are you stupid or what ?
Its not about that
Its about who is rising and who is falling
Intel is not getting any profit from those people with 4th gen i5's
@@choco8850 And still is till this day. But Intel is losing their market share to AMD rapidly. So expect a few years down the line, AMD's marketshare will rival that of Intel
Competition is better until one or multiple sides decide to play dirty or not try at all. Moral is, pick what's best for your needs, ND help others with what they need.
When I think of AMD cpu’s I think of gaming. When I think of Intel CPU’s I think of my dads office computer
why is this damn true
@@r3digitBecause peasants don't look at spec. They look at price!
Just after 2 years you will realize the truth when amd cpu costs 3x and intel is dead.
There is no bad tech product, just a bad price
@sunnymalhotra4284 how does that correlate with what was said in any way LMAO
Watch Nvidia flagship GPU prices skyrocket now that AMD left the high end and focuses on mid range and low end.
6900XT/6950XT actually matched and beat the 3090
They attempted the same with 7900XTX but somewhat failed due to unexpected problems from the architecture
The 5090 price was announced and its $2.5k💀
@@Scissorspaper That`s the same launch price as the 20 series *Titan RTX*
@@walter1824 oh ok
Brand loyalty is not a good thing, and we’re now seeing a flip where before many ppl didn’t want to use amd due to loyalty to intel but since amd has started to completely kill it, we’re starting to see the opposite sentiment of “always go amd”. We want smth in the middle like with when 12th gen intel dropped, where you could not go wrong with either.
On the flipside, I like it when a brand really dials in on the one thing they really make well, as opposed to a Jack of All Trades Master of None approach, and it's also a lot less confusing for us consumers when the time comes to actually buy the product, now I'm saying all this in a perfect world where companies would do this and not be assholes about it purely because no one else is on par or does a similar job which is unrealistic to be fair but just imagine that world.
We saw what happens with twitter. Companies need competition
Wait, what? Twitter has no competition? Like... isn't Facebook out there and much more popular as well?
@@Hardcore_Remixer young people dont use facebook, it's been old for a long time now
@@paradoxx_4221 Good relief! I thought facebook will keep getting away.
Well, now I guess I'd need to know what's with Tweeter. Russian bots? Lack of censure?
Only Americans use X/Twitter but Facebook is still the most used social media globally next to TH-cam
its completely irrelvant and not compareable to twitter, wtf are you talking about.
Intel's latest gen cpu sucks. elon overpaid for Twitter, saddled the debt of buying twitter on twtiter's financials, and shitty rebrand.
There's like no similarities. Only similarity is that they are both doing bad but thats so general.
Its not even AMD outcompeting, they do whats expected and provide good quality. Intel shot themselves in the foot by not quality checking their 13 and 14th gen lol
Somehow the 12th gen is the best gaming cpu in 2022 but 13th and 14th gen fall and yeah because Intel shot themselves in the foot by not quality checking
This. I remember buying an HP DV6 laptop, which came with an Intel i7 2630QM CPU. The thing never stayed below 90 degrees when playing the most basic games like HL 1. Then I switched to AMD. Not because of that incident, but because I do a lot of other things besides gaming
@@Keanu-Yliterally mumbai levels of IQ by intel
Then stop buying Nvidia GPUs. You won't
Right now, AMD should see 50% market share in all segments and then Intel should bounce back.
Bro, Intel is still 76% vs AMDs 24%. This Intel shill is full of it. Check up on Desktop CPU sales for 2024.
Nah, we are not at that point yet when intel getting better will increase competition. Amd has less market share, right?
Only cause of the fraud they pulled
In the enterprise market it's switching over to AMD pretty hard, and since enterprise equipment has massive margins Intel is finding they are having big shortfalls in their budget.
You earned my respect bro, first time u gave an important message
AMD destroying Intel is a matter of Karma. Intel was lying to us by saying consumer cpus couldn't have more than four cores, and as soon as AMD came out with eight core cpus, they just happened to have six core cpus ready to be released.
It goes way further back. They would pay OEMs to not use AMD CPUs for a while until they got taken to court. It took them nearly 20 years to pay that court award... I remember trying to buy AMD CPUs back then and retailers trying to palm intel off onto me. I said to them "I can see that Intel sign in the front of your shop, I don't want their CPU and I don't care if you don't get paid to sell AMD". They stopped that stuff really quick. One even let me come in a pick batches which ended up in finding a world record setting golden sample.
don't forget windows is making amd things run worse than it should be.
@@N4CR more info on that golden sample or it never happened
@@E_N_D_E_Rim invested
@@amanosatoshitranslateswindows is like the best example what happens if a company is practically having a monopole in a certain area. Windows/Microsoft can do whatever tf they want, people will still stick to the OS. Especially in the corporate world where a lot of tasks are bound to Microsoft applications
Yes, we need comparison. But I own a lot of AMD stock, so I'm happy with the implosion of Intel.
Less than 10 years ago AMD was on the brink of bankruptcy. Hoping they can compete with two companies like Intel and Nvidia in two different areas at the same time is crazy. They don't have the budget for that, they haven't been killing it for that long to afford that.
They're beating Intel at all levels and competing with Nvidia at entry level and mid-range. And that's enough.
True, you need competition. Not a single company became successful without some proper competition. Competition improves prices, quality, and improvement in companies.
Intel still holds the vast majority of all x86 market share. In a de facto duopoly, the best consumers can hope for is an even split of market share to bring about the most competition.
Therefore, therefore, it is objectively in the interests of every consumer for AMD to continue beating Intel until AMD has achieved 50% market share, which they are still far from.... In other words anybody currently cheering for intel is literally cheering against their own self interest
Pretty much my thoughts exactly.
If Intel fix their problems with 15th gen, they will continue with their sh*tty and anti-competitive practices.
After all, most of the world is oblivious to the drama around 13th & 14th gen.
If Intel can keep screwing up until 17th or 18th gen, then we might see some level-pegging competition, rather than AMD being a minor irritation to Intel.
For those who don't know, ATI/AMD and Nvidia competed neck to neck between 2002ish to 2010ish ( AMD bought ATI around 2005). During that period, Nvidia was trailing behind especially the GeForce FX where it almost caused Nvidia to go bankrupt (The game changer was the GTX 8800 series). The most exciting period was in the late 90s to early 2010s as hardware can be outdated within 6 months. However, there were way too many selections for consumer. Some include: 3dfx (voodoo series, and nvidia bought it in 2000), Matrox (Parheila, as it was advertised as supporting triple monitor), 3dLabs ( supported 128MB of vram when others had 32 to 64MB at that time), etc..
the amount of ppl intel has 'laid off' is crazy... and you know those jobs aren't coming back. intel is going to pivot hard with their 18A node, focusing on commercial grade servers... leaving AMD to dominate and eventually just charge whatever price they want to. it's actually a sad state of affairs.
I want to see AMD being a high end and expensive CPU company (GPUs can stay as they are) and Intel making not the best in terms of performance but the best in fps per dollar
I have an 13600k, bought it a while back, it is still running great, pity all that is going on with intel cpus at the moment…
big mistake
@@maniac880amd fanboy detected
@@choco8850Intel fanboy detected
@@legendmaster1989 amd fanboy detected
@@maniac880the overheating issue is not for Intel i5s, you fool
A lot of people do not understand that while Intel just avoided serious trouble, its not like its going to go away. It is still the market leader in laptop and datacenter CPU sales. They also have their own fabs and are finally in position to actually use them. I expect Intel to catch up to AMD in value in the next 5 years, or even faster depending on their AI offerings where both Nvidia and AMD are strong, but theres plenty more slices in that cake for others.
having ur own fab is actually a negative
Since its a lot of capital expenditure and nobody is gonna outperform TSMC
Never had a reliable AMD after many tries….
Agreed. I was a huge intel fan simply because. Than AMD started getting good again and I switched sides. If Intel gets their security issues and other issues straightened out than I might switch back over.
I don't want one side to dominate so much over the other; as a side thought a 3rd party CPU company would be interesting from a shopping perspective.
No.. No I remember what has happened thanks to intel.
We had all kinds of awesome architecture, 68K, PPC, SPARC, MIPS , ETC, ETC. Thanks to intel and it's monopolistic and down right awful business practices we pretty much stuck with X86 or ARM.
So no, intel getting hammered is a good thing.
This is basically why I want to see SOMEONE other than Nvidia do extremely high end GPUs. I don't like the xx90s being my only option.
7900xt 7900gre a high end gpu
It will become even funnier once Nvidia, the monopoly king, starts releasing their CPUs
Thank you for the insight, Mr. Zach.
I consider my next PC build will be AMD AM5 B650M DDR5.
Intel must accept the fact, that Intel is now being dethroned from CPU domination.
If 9800X3D isn't better than 15900k then I'm gonna be really disappointed in AMD.
Totally. The Ryzen 4070 is dominating the Intel 6800 XT right now.
Intel could release the best cpu ever next generation, I'm still not buying it. They've gotta prove they're going to take care of their customers, and they've done the opposite at every opportunity
In what ways are they not taking care of their customers?
Have you seen the prices of their GPUs
The pendulum swings back and forth.
if theres no competition, theres no innovation
I wouldn't even say it's true. Lunar Lake looks incredible.
Time traveler here, 15th gen sucks
True, just like xbox and Playstation. Without xbox pro console, we are stuck with that ridiculous ps5 pro price.
Finally someone understands the most basic principle of a free market
This sucks for me as I built my first pc with an Intel CPU back in 2022 when it was still considered the best option. Now I can't even think about upgrading my processor without the risk of losing a hefty amount of money.
This was exactly my thoughts when I first heard about intels crisis. Hopefully they do recover somehow
I’ll just say it, I’m an intel fan, and I really hope they can make a comeback. I’m not some diehard fan, and 3 of my machines are amd based, because I know better than to pick based on a brand, and I’m not looking to make arguments. I just like intel’s vibe more overall. When ryzen came out and intel started needing to actually try and do stuff, it was an awesome few years with killer stuff on both sides, but if intel doesn’t get their stuff together, I fear we might get stuck in another dark age with one company doing minimal upgrades with each generation.
Even tho i am a AMD user i agree. Competitive market means lower prices for a better product. Imagine if SMD 7950xtx would compete with the RTX 4090. We'd see 2000$ RTX4090s be 1200-1500$
I actually want more than 3 company to compete with each other in any category (no matter just about cpu, but in everything like GPU, chip making etc.)
its awesome how it feel after so many years of Intel absolute domination. But competition is what got us here, competitions will move us forward
We explaining the basics of economic competition with this one 🗣️🗣️🗣️
Intel is too busy adding NSA backdoors that can be exploited by advertising firms to care about their retail customers.
I'm not switching CPUs if the alternative isn't absolutely surpassing what i have. Good on you, AMD.
I am team Intel. Even though they messed up big time with their instability issue, the unaffected ones are still reigning as the best Processors in this world and as Arrow Lake is getting an NPU and lots of other things, we might see great improvements in Speed, Battery life (If on a laptop) and maybe improvements with heat issues
Im a huge AMD fan but when gen 12 was released i couldnt be more excited, i knew that AMD had to respond
Same with consoles. We need new players in the game that get these companies who have found their money cows to start working again full throttle
Zach is so cool, bro is totally unbiased
Intel has been dominant for decades. Now that AMD has caught up and surpassed Intel, ppl now harping on "we want companies to be competitive because it's better for consumers". Why is it no one complained when Intel practically had the market to itself for decades.
wouldnt be suprised if the same thing happened to nvidia vs amd
(the thing that amd would win even here)
Remember how Intel was GORILLA stomping AMD and no one was talking about?
Remember: if there is zero to low competition, there is always monopolization
Another good thing for consumers, Snapdragon is launching X Elite chip for more options.
A tip for Intel: make then SQUARE
The fun part is I run an 12600kf at 50 Celsius ultra settings tdu sc with an 4070 super, amazing cpu btw
trash cpu, might as well get the 13400f
12th gen CPUs are really good, in fact the 13th and 14th gens are good as well by now. The 0x129 microcode update fixed the whole clusterfuck which they created. Too bad it took them too long to fix the issue. Their reputation is tarnished at the moment and they only got themselves to blame for it.
That being said, I own a 13700k and it runs perfectly.
unfortunately this is what happened: 13th and 14th were a Waterloo for the little blue house. As for the 9000 amd, they were not understood. in short: they heat up less, consume less, perform 10% more. this after less than a year of development! ok, if they had called them 7000Eco we would have called them pure gold.
Now, nvidia; the 7900XTX beats the 4080 in all resolutions. in raytracing? it only loses a few percentage points in some games. the difference is only visible on cyberpunk and alan wake 2, and on AW2 the 4080 does not touch 60 with everything at maximum...
the price difference is only visible in america. in italy the 7900xtx cost the same as the 4080...
Well said though for the nvidia situation its purely the consumer to blame. Amd basically always had the better offers in the mid range segment where the actual sales happen long before ray tracing or dlss was a thing. The rx580 while on par with the 1060 used to go for up to 50% cheaper. Yet the 1060 sold 10 times as much. The current pricing is home made by gamers.
Imagine if all those companies started competing in who can make most expensive product
TSMC, a Taiwanese semiconductor firm, produces nearly 90% of the world's most advanced chips used for AI and quantum computing applications.
I mean that's what happened with Sony's PlayStation5 Pro. Now that there's no competition, they spike up the price. The "Console War" was stupid to begin with.
what we think happens in theory :
Company A: I am better and by selling at a cheaper price I'll sell more than you
Company B : I'll lower my prices and/or increase the quality then
What actually happens:
Company A : Tough times uh ? Let's raise the prices and say it's inflation, we can make more money that way
Company B: great idea
It’s just not competition to try and remain on top or to get the top spot back, it’s also about price. If there was only a single company then they could price what their selling at any cost and there’s no competition to lower it.
Agree, not just PC hardware market, in every industry of capitalism, the more competition is always better of conaumers, and less competition is always better for manufacturers। Monopoly is a wet dream of any capitalist, and also the worst nightmare of consumer.
I respect that there are people who understand capitalism and supply&demand in essence
We also need to figure out a way to source these materials, responsibly and not instigate ethnic cleansing.
It's not just pc market but every other filed out there like consoles video games movies etc
They don't try because they agree.
And Lisa Su and Jen-Hsun Huang are related to each other.
The cilapse of Intel is related to the WINTEL model falling. AMD sales are not striking because experienced users are going Linux but the majority are going Apple.
AMD leaving the high end GPU market is going to make Nvidia go wild, 5090 going to cost $5090....
Yeah tho not many people will buy if it comes to that tho since they competing with the old cards as well
And 5090 watts
@@hajimehinata5854 To tell you the truth, there is nothing wrong with a AMD Mid range card, it will still do 1440p decent frame rate, maybe even 4k 60., So if Nvidia wants to be jerks (Which I get, it is a business) Then we have AMD and Intel......Maybe/?? lol
I just went from an i710700k to a ryzen 7 7700x. Best upgrade I’ve ever done lol
Honestly imma stick with my i5-12600k as long as I can it does what I need it to
And, if only one company was producing CPUs or GPUs, the price would be very high, as they have no competition and they can do what they want with the price.
the problem is expecting two companies to make products that fully compare to each other is a pipe dream. one will always be better than the other. It boils down to that advantage swaying back and forth as regularly as possible generation over generation. what's really needed is more players in this market that spread out the market share across a wider group of companies. More choice means more competition and innovation to one up that competition.
I want Intel to bounce back because I want to see even more options for CPUs with Quick Sync also I want it to push AMD to add their own version for things like Plex.
This is so right, Nvidia's prices are going insane.
whats funny is AMD aint even trying so they could push alot harder than Nvidia and make Nvidia change everything if they really wanted to
It’s basic business ethics, if one company has a monopoly for one product, (AMD CPUs for example) then they can up the prices as much as they want. People will buy them no matter what.
I remember when intel dominate the CPU market in 2010s with their intel core series.
Intel keep making their i7 a 4 CORE cpu and they keep doing that until AMD release their 8 Core Ryzen 7. And now we have a 14 Core i7 thanks to AMD.
The same happened before amd ryzen, when intel cpus were only a few percents upgrade