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16:00 Trump clip & Tricki tweet
"Who's Jack Black?"....ok I am officially old
He’s Kung Fu Panda
Nacho Libre
Surprised nobody said Bowser.
He’s the School of Rock
Dio has rocked, for a long, long time.
"It was just a joke" is always a cowards defense to having said something they meant (eg bullying, bad-faith arguments, backhanded compliments, etc) and feeling the consequences for it.
She deleted AFTER she found out someone died. If she really didn't care that someone died she would have kept. Hell, she even replied to someone who said the thing believe Trump should be in federal prison and not made into a martyr and agreed with them
100% agree. Unfortunately the biggest voices "criticizing" her for this are hypocrites like Rev that are usually part of the "it was just a joke" crowd.
She made a mistake being so hasty and put out a crappy apology that's not really about the orange man she understandably hates since he essetially advocates against her existence as an LGBTQ+ Native American.
But Rev, Klrsche and GRUMMZ of all people coming out saying she should get the "deserved consequences" of her actions would be incredibly funny if it wasn't bleak people can't see the obvious manipulation tactics they use.
@@effluxi9587 Kirsche especially
@@effluxi9587 and if memory serves I'm pretty sure neither of them brought up the tweet that I mentioned
Even if we assume that Tricky had no serious intent in her tweet (which is hard for me to believe; the angry emoji, defensive tone and doubling down tell me otherwise and I'm told she's been a vocal supporter of far left causes in the past so its not a leap to imagine she has genuine TDS, I'm pretty sure she also is on record disliking edgy jokes so that makes the whole tweet suspect), I'm not convinced from her apology tweet that she learned the correct lesson. It appears that she's only apologizing because someone got killed while ignoring the severity of an attempted assassination of a presidential candidate during a very tense political season. What she should've said was that wishing death on people even in a joke is no laughing matter. That shouldn't require "educating yourself," that requires having good character to begin with.
This is kind of why I think more vtubers, stremers, celebrities, athletes, etc. should avoid politics. This why it's smart of Hololive or other vtubers to have rules avoiding such topics. To avoid controversies and PR nightmares like this.
If having a large audience quickly is their dream, yes. The real issue is hiding one's views (even poorly) until suddenly they boil over into some disgusting 'joke' or tirade. Politics should be out front if you know you're likely gonna go there eventually. Large audiences are still possible but gathering one will take longer.
Nah, if a vtubers politics involve supporting PDF files or pro child slavery outside their country I would rather know that and stop watching than support them
Out of curiosity, would this also include Kirsche?
@@GenshinLover283 , I would love to watch and support Kirsche myself, but she or a mod banned me for some reason. So I unfortunately avoid or ignore her content. I would love to watch her content again, but for me, I just can't. Because watching it would make me angry or upset, so I don't anymore. I would love to apologize but I don't have any way to contact her. I used to get mad about it and I still do sometimes, but there's nothing I can do about it, except for maybe make another account or if she unbans me. It just sucks because at least I wish she or the mod would have given me a warning or a timeout, but nope, just a permaban out of nowhere. I got banned around one of her Alan Wake streams. Maybe I will try to ask if I could get unbanned when she does a collab, but I don't think even then you can see messages from people you blocked. To be honest I @ed her name with a joke about her booba or body, something I forgot, which might be the reason why I was banned. Ironically, the way she was banned from Offkai is how I was banned. Got little to no warning, and I don't know why.
@@RollingDodgefunny how that one works isn't it. With how she goes on you'd think she'd be big on transparency.
Doesn't surprise me to hear she's a hypocrite there too though.
23:53 The thing about the tweet is that it feels like it was laced with dishonesty
“I made and impulsive, stupid joke in the heat of the moment and immediately regretted it” Sounds like a lie due to her immediate doubling down and saying the unfollow button is right there unironically.
“I have educated myself now, and I’m incredibly sorry.” This language reeks of a non-apology due to the “educating myself” being used by people who wanted to appear sorry in the past.
“While I am all for a good joke, this was not one of them, and it was highly insensitive” Tricky’s fans I’ve seen are most confused by this because she’s gone on record stating she doesn’t like edgy jokes and even skips them on stream.
“I would never advocate for anyone getting hurt” The whole joke was that someone was frustrated that the shot missed. Most didn’t take that as just a joke so this came off as flatly lying.
“The jk tweet was an attempt to lighten the mood, but it made it seem even more insensitive to a very serious situation.” Her backing down after doubling down initially makes people think she isn’t being honest as her first response to push back is to ask someone to unfollow, and yet now she suddenly has a change of heart knowing that someone other than the Prez nominee go hurt? This makes her look like the only other reason she may be sorry is that people OTHER than the Prez nominee got hurt.
This is just my view of the whole thing though.
yes, this was my exact though process aswell.
how could you say you do no wish harm upon any1, when your intial tweet is exactly that.
same with the `educate yourself` how? you did that in the span of 20 minutes?
About a person getting murdered? no matter if you hate the person being offed, as a `opponent` party. that shit is still vile.
although what destiny did was way worse then this.
i still unfollowed tricky though. she did go mask off with this and i do not support that kinda behavior.
ppl should go back to thinking before saying stuff.
twatter made ppl to confortable to share their inner thoughts.
we all think some fcked up shit and keep it to ourselves, cause we know its fcked up.
This is how the whole thing came off to me as well
Not an unreasonable take on her at all. She felt safe and cloistered from criticism when she made those initial statements, and when things proved otherwise, she panicked and tried to backpedal.
Now, she gets to reap what she sewed, and despite having enjoyed her content in the past and shrugging my shoulders at her obvious political biases, I do not feel any sympathy for her now that she has bitten off more than she can chew.
Dont miss shot guys... angry emoji,
Sis thought she was slick, very clearly not a joke. You do not off mere political opponents.
25:14 she was doomed from after she doubled down
The supporter o7 used it's body to protect his daughter. Vtuber that cover politics Kirsche :)
She's a very confused and ill informed individual though. Just because you cover politics doesn't mean you're smart of you're good at it and Kirche doesn't cover politics she just parrots conspiracy theories.
@@bunnyconcubus8468tbf, that's not uncommon for Trump supporters
I personally don't believe in apologies after getting caught or after getting backlash for your actions, it just feels so disingenuous. You're not sorry for what you did or said, you're sorry you got caught and got in trouble for it and if you HADN'T gotten into trouble you wouldn't have been sorry about what you did or said. This is why I believe that apologies just don't work on their own, it's easy to say "I'm sorry" but it's an entirely different thing to actually mean it. How do you prove you're actually sorry? Through actions not words, since actions speaks louder than words.
A fake apology is worse then no apology
the who is jack black made me die in side sorry rima
I usually watch Tricky, but as of late something rubs me the wrong way about her, and this confirms what's my intuition telling me
Regarding Trickywi, Grummz posted a very insightful essay about the 'Overton window', positing that a vast majority of these posts come from people who are simply NPCs with no personal convictions that go along with whatever the currently popular and/or socially acceptable narratives are (including heinous, reprehensible stuff). And when suddenly everything went down and the popular arrative shifted, they were too slow to realize.
Seems interesting. Is this Overton window the cooler version of sheeple syndrome or something. Will check it out, genuinely just so disappointed in Tricky, she seemed so funny a while back, given shes among the first popular indie EN vtubers.
True, this is why you never jump head first into a fresh debate. One can have their convictions on how idiots get access to weapons, but that generally doesn't mean they think all weapon owners are clowns. People making comments about political issues is often just a performative action until that window slides really quickly and the person making the comment has to reflect on it. Remember just the other day we were seeing "shoot your shot" used in the context of applying to vshojo.
I would agree if it didn't come from Grummz that guy is a disingenuous liar that makes stuff up just to grift I wouldn't say that Grummz actually cares or means what he says especially since he constantly whines about being witch hunted.
@@roxrequiem2935Don't. It's probably baked in lies and inconsistencies knowing it's from Grummz
@@bunnyconcubus8468You don’t like Kirsche or Grummz and are calling them conspiracy theorist and liar, which is not true. You can just say that you don’t like them and don’t agree with their views. You don’t have to make up stuff about them due to your own personal biases.
The only tweet i left was polite and simply asked her to switch everything around and put a politician she liked in donalds place and have someone make the same "joke" she did about the situation and asked how she would feel about someone making such a disgusting statement
3:09:30 what exactly do you mean by lower jobs?? a lot of people depend on factory / manual labor jobs to survive, if AI replaces these jobs do you think these workers are magically gonna get new jobs? in creative/management fields?? they are most likely just going to be stuck UNEMPLOYED.
MO: Modus Operandi, it’s how they do things usually.
around 24:45 I believe MO is Motive Operandi, in other words just how they do things.
3:07:46 these sorts of people made their beds and cultivated the environment of getting people fired for opinions holding them to that standard is not amoral
Well time to start watching since I missed the stream.
55:12 The Floyd joke was made with pure intentions to be funny and not state an opinion. That is the difference.
If we compare it to Filian doing that joke, we can at least understand that she was actually joking. Her execution was poor, and the punchline was even poorer, but unlike Tricky, Filian was *actually* making a joke.
I mean Kyle Gass just killed Tenacious D saying it. Destiny wouldn't shut up on it and lost x monetization and even got the shocking Kick banning.
im still confused about pl trying to cope and put the blame on gass, jack was clearly in on the `joke`
@@sya2711 oh jack threw Kyle under the bus for sure.
I always feel so mixed about many of these political matters, and I've been trying to see how I feel about things. I want more discussion about hypocrisy/context and less "cancelling". If we can, I want us to try to understand each other's perspectives, even people who may be going a little crazy and saying bad things that they should hopefully reanalyze in a different emotional state.
Thank you for your streams! 💕
I'm sorry to say this but I never liked Tricky, I tried watching her before but she just comes off as an obnoxious character and also from the beginning she really gave off that hardcore leftist aura and she's not the only one that gives that off, all of her circle of "big time" vtuber friends especially the ones from L.A. lastly from what I can remember she posted and complain about edgy jokes before on her stream that she's gonna ban or block anyone who does it to me that's a very leftoid statement and now the tables have turned..
the Hoyoverse boycott just makes me want Mihoyo to succeed more
23:44 KirscheVerstahl covers political stuff
24:05 thats also not good since that only seems to go in one way
The fact that someone getting harmed is the reason she apologized is appalling. That says to me she wouldn't care if no one was injured. The act itself is wrong regardless of anyone being harmed.
36:20 tagging sponsors and such is wierd but as ive these people cultivated this environment
3:10:14 lower jobs.... Rema thoes "lower jobs" give you the best life a human has ever know EVER
22:09 the problem is here is mainly the her hypocrisy simce she doesnt like "edgy jokes"
Everyone can have an opinion about politics but it’s a very dangerous field to have opinions on so tread carefully
3:09:45 this is an odd standard
On discussion about if politics belongs to VTubing: You as a viewer are not entitled to dictate what kind of content someone makes but you can however choose the content you want to watch. To me it is idiotic gatekeeping to say a VTuber can't do this or that content as long as they stay within the rules of the website. In other words: vote with your feet and wallet.
39:25 if they cultivated that audience yes if not no
Personally i don't believe her apology as shes been having these kinda sentiments for years now. And i think the dog pile is justified as its different from saying "x opinion is dumb an your dumb for supporting it lol" then what actually happened which is a man was almost killed for his opinions and up to a total of 3 could for supporting those ideas. She doesn't care about any of those people and extension me, on a human level.
So yeah. Tricky hate!
23:43 JjunieSmoothie. Got her degree in international relations, and is Vtuber for basically two reasons.
1: they don’t hire fresh from college graduates for government positions
2: the anonymity of Vtubing lets her be uncensored in her coverage without ruining her chances of being hired as a social studies teacher
First found her when she was helping LM go over the Nijisanji contract
At least she's a lot more level-headed then Kirsche imo
Interesting information, thank you.
@@GenshinLover283not a high bar 😅
I think I said it before..but I used to watch Tricky back in her Pokemon days. Seeing this doesn't really do more or less than disappoint me. I don't caee how much I dislike someone or their views, you don't wish for their death in a serious manner like that.
I do hope she improves as a person, that's all I'll ever want for people in general.
"That joke was in poor taste"
Was it really a joke tho ?
3:53:43 amber heard wasnt a victim tho not a good analogy
There's a certain quality to a person when they can think ahead, and think of all perspectives, and understand what they want to say is unacceptable to a large number of people for any number of reasons, and then don't say it. There's a lot of people currently online that have become complacent in the fact that one "side" of the political sphere can get away with saying things that go way beyond the pale. All parts of her response after initial tweet scream of "I'm sorry that not as many people who pay attention to me agree with me".
No apology is going to satisfy everyone. If her first apology was genuine she should have left it at that and demonstrated her regret by changing future behavior. If she wasn't sorry, she should have never apologized. A certain amount of people would respect her sticking to her opinion, even people who disagree with her, and the number of lost followers would've been less than trying to make everyone happy.
TL;DR She stepped in it
As someone who grew up hearing literally every comedian tell some kind of Reagan/Hinckley joke this is ridiculous lol. Also idk why people think you're not allowed to have an opinion on something based on your job
Because she didn’t make a damn joke lol
HODOR of your intrusive thoughts
Ignorance is not a viable defense for wrongdoings.
Cancel culture is usually bad, but sometimes inevitable.
Apologies are an admission of guilt, but sometimes necessary.
Tweets and similar ways of communication lack the individuals subconscious understructure, often obscuring desired discernment.
Great stream rima
1:19:09 You can get guns in Canada though. Also the joke was both ways. One it makes fun at the Left not being good with guns because they are anti-gun, and the right for wanting trump to not be the leader. So its a punching at both sides joke.
It's always the people who say "I don't get political" or "I don't do edgy jokes" who immediately jump into them the moment a group or person they don't like is affected.
I don't get why people saying this is not goo's for freedom of speech. Freedom of speech is never a day anything playground. There should be things that are not okay to say and taking the life of another in a I'm just joking bto banner should be one of them
good stream 1
Just wondering is/was Tricky known for their edgy humour (in a similar vein to Pipkin Pippa) then it's a fine if not a poorly timed joke. However if they aren't then it comes off as a mask slipping rather than humour.
Never been in her streams, but from what I’ve seen commented by people who were
- would say no political/edgy jokes
- skipped over such jokes with they were pro-right, featured them if they were pro-left
- has gone on rants before about disliking Trump specifically
@@animefan3794 My only experience with them is clips in Nagzz's videos so I have no idea about them.
It's not really a mask slipping, this is not really an unexpected response from her. She's LGBTQ+ and a native American. Nobody is surprised she hates the orange guy who hates and campaigns for unjust laws against both those groups.
She needs someone to tell her how to stfu when it matters, but her fanbase isn't going to leave her because she said something realistically pretty predictable from her.
3:40:42 i agree
Regarding the demonetization of clippers due to 'reused content', I wonder if it's a hard policy with no exceptions, or simply miscommunication due to untrained ESL personnel. For example, if you make clips of your channel content, I assume they stay monetized. If you create a second 'clips' channel under the same youtube account, I assume it also stays monetized. But what about the case when it's two distinct accounts? Surely they must have at least one large organization customer with such an arrangement.
So maybe it's a licensing thing? Maybe all it takes is to appeal the demonetization not with "the company says it's okay to make clips and monetize them", but with a stronger "I have been granted a license by the copyright holder to make and monetize this content".
I'm curious how this will play out. Does youtube want to put an end to farming of reused third party content? Wil it be enough to present a license to retain monetization of clips, or will it require a complete structural shift, as you described? Have they put out any guidelines to clarify how to proceed?
Without context, the "shoot your shot" can mean something else... which isn't quite as bad, but is still pretty sus. But with context, that's a whole 'nother level of gravity to the situation and wholly inappropriate (it's still fairly inappropriate even without context, but now it's straight up taboo with a 'might be straight up breaking a law somewhere' undercurrent)
Vtubers and politics...? That is wholly dependent on their brand. Let them be political if that's what their branding is, but if their thing is to just enjoy whatever it is they are doing and unwind...? They should be allowed to do that and not have to deal with politics as well if they haven't been touching it. Should be fairly straightfoward, no...?
I agree that there should be something for people to allow clippers to not get flagged by TH-cam. If there isn't a system for that, TH-cam needs to implement a system for it. It shouldn't be *too* complicated for there to be additional code to check for whether an account is connected and approved for clipping if it is within the same platform. For places outside the TH-cam platform? That one is more of a pain to work with, but they should at the very least allow that type of integration within TH-cam itself. Otherwise, they are just screaming that they are a platform that is fueled by greed and simply want to find excuses to not pay out to people who make content that others watch
AI issues are a whole 'nother beast. The issue with tracing AI generated art is less of a 'you are not allowed to trace over it' and more of a thing where... the ethics behind how AI generated art originated in the first place with data scraping and completely ignoring proper procedures of getting proper licenses to utilize the works with training AI models. Legally speaking, you can trace over AI works all you want without getting sued for doing so -- you'd only be liable if you misrepresent the work when selling it. But the ethics and message you convey for utilizing AI is a whole 'nother matter that people are allowed to chew you out on. Very big issue in regards to branding and whatnot. Another issue is that AI art isn't necessarily... good... in the first place. They just 'guess' at what 'looks good' and not because it *'knows'* that things are supposed to look or work a certain way, so you'll get things with lighting and shadows that don't line up properly and things that are broken that might not look broken at first glance
Tracing when making art is a touchy subject as well. "Purists" who are... well... delusional... will say all tracing is not allowed (we have evidence of highly praised fine art that was basically traced, historically, so this one is simply idiotic). Tracing other people's works is generally not OK. Tracing photos depends on whether you've gotten permission for using them. Drawing/painting over people's works as 'reference' is practically tracing btw, even if you don't trace over the exact lines everywhere. It basically boils down to "did you get permission or not" from the original artist, and from the client if this is a commission. There are odd exceptions where it is under 'fair use' when tracing another artist's work -- and that is when there is specific reason for the work to be traced or heavily referenced, and said work adds value to our culture - typically memes fall under this with parody, but you'll also notice that most people don't try to profit off of this with memes because doing so runs a risk of crossing over a few lines that make it more likely that you'll get sued anyway
The Genshin "no dark skinned characters" controversy...? It's both old and new. Old as in it's happened before already, new as in it's a new rendition with new content. And I'm going to have to say the same thing as before: This is a game has CHILDREN as part of their target demographics, in CHINA. In Chinese, the word for "Black" + "Person" means something completely different from "Black Person" in English -- in fact, it is straight up offensive to call someone that word in Chinese. If you want to refer to a 'Black person' in Chinese, you call them by their specific ethnicity/place they are from - and that is a combination of words/characters that is taught at higher grade levels. So the irony is... MHY is being considerate in their own way by trying to *NOT* expose children to the specific term until they are old enough to be more mature about the whole thing, and also to try to avoid shenanigans of kids trying to make do with "Black" + "Person" in the meantime while they still haven't learned the appropriate terminology for African, Indian, etc. On the other hand, "White Person" is exactly what it is in Chinese as it is English
You know it's ironic that they say to "do research" when they haven't taken a look at the other side of the story with the dilemma that CN has to face with having an audience that is very young. I've looked up the "age ratings" just now, and Genshin is technically listed at 12+; however, there are quite a few people saying they would let children younger than that play the game (I've seen someone say they let a 5 yr old play it). Different story for H:SR with it also being 12+, but you probably won't be seeing as many people who would willingly let younger children play it
3:14:37 Somewhere around here... "Casting" is probably talking about the people that *choose* who plays the character, not the person who is actually playing the character
3:38:44 Those are slightly unusual terms in the current social media climate, but... they aren't actually *that weird* in regards to what is being requested. Credit on Social Media is optional, but always appreciated when it comes to commissioned works because that is how you advertise to get more clients. Not being allowed to include the work into a portfolio nor being allowed to post it on social media isn't the strangest thing ever, but that would be something I'd charge extra for if it was something that would normally be allowed to be included into a portfolio. Copyright and commercial license are slightly different, but basically ask for similar things -- asking for copyright is unusual, but this is presumably for a Vtuber model[/design]* that they already have and own...? So really it's commercial license to do whatever they need to with the artwork for promotion...? [If this is a fresh design that is being commissioned, then it really is nothing unusual, none at all.]* None of it is particularly strange, but would certainly be looked upon poorly by a lot of artists and can be considered red flags - but they're still nothing that can be called out as being blatantly 'wrong'/taboo to ask for. Biggest issue is getting paid properly and whatnot, really
3:47:40 Thanks. I really needed to hear that. If they are getting scared off by a contract, they aren't ready for professional work. I was talking contracts with some online artist 'friends' on some larger projects, and they were all basically scared off. Yeah, I've decided it's just not worthwhile to try to work with them on anything. They're not ready for any of it, especially when it was coming down to protecting *THEIR OWN* rights to works... which is simply... disappointing?
you are insane
Sorry for the essay, but I don't really do short responses to serious topics. One of the worst things about Twitter is that its essentially gives a platform to let loose intrusive thoughts without a filter to the entire world. I found out about all of this after she already did the apology, so I was playing catch up.
I don't dont get to watch her live but watch what I can, so I was initially surprised because this is so unlike her. Like many in her apology thread said, without context I could easily have mistaken the original tweet for something about dating frustrations or being rejected for the VShojo auditions and was just poorly timed.
I tend to be pretty forgiving unless the line that was crossed was something truly reprehensible such as comitting SA, and I'm old and experienced enough to be able to look at things from multiple points of view. I understand people being skeptical about how quickly she applogized. It could have been a PR move, but it could equally have been that she legitimately didn't know about the death when she made her intial tweet.
This leads me to my take away. I'll go ahead and self report a bit. I'm an Iraq War veteran, had a rough childhood, and I'm from a military family. I have a very dark and morbid sense of humor that I've developed as a self defense and coping mechanism. If you took my humor seriously you'd think I was BTK and out of context I'd be 100% cancelled on Twitter by both sides every fifth joke. I'm just smart enough to know my audience and keep it to myself otherwise. I'm not making excuses for her here but explaining my logic when I say that we all say and do stupid shit in the heat of the moment that we look back at with regret as we age, and I'm no exception in this regard. I've said and heard worse when I was in the military or hanging out with my veteran or firefighter friends, and I'll leave it at that. Just regarding the Trump attempt, I saw people say worse and receive less flak, some of whom who are bigger names than her. I had a dark humor moment (that I kept to myself) in the same phase as her initial tweet, but that was replaced by sympathy for the victims and their families after I continued reading about it.
My final judgement is that I'll continue watching and supporting her unless this becomes a pattern. There's only a handful of VTubers that I've blacklisted, so to speak, and its taken more than this to do that. I'm the last person who should be condemning her response, and if I don't give forgiveness for my mistakes then why should anyone extend that same courtesy to me? I hope that she learns and grows from this, because its part of life and being human. I know its election year and tensions are high, so maybe this whole thing is a good chance to step back and chill out before things get worse.
Edit: I just remembered something and I'm not sure where to put it, so it's going here. The "unfollow button" is pretty on brand for her, but probably not the right thing to say when tensions are this high or things are this serious. She'll tell you to click off of the stream if you complain about the game that she's playing or tell you to turn the volume down if you complain that it's too loud. I never had a problem with that because it seemed like common sense.
It's interesting to see your thought process behind it and where that comes from, thank you for sharing.
What Tricky said made Filian's infamous George Floyd joke feel tame in comparison.
Comedy gold, even.
It was cooler when Fillian did it smh
Nobody wanted an apology she should've said she made a mistake she would do better to earn the trust of her fans back i sent emails to gamersupps about them rethinking sponsoring someone promoting political violence she doesnt bring anything valuable to real life she is out of touch she basically said f you to the working class like shes better and knows better im just tired of it all i was gonna vote rfk but its trump all the way for sure now these people can cry themselves to sleep
what part of it was a f you to the working class? Genuinely confused how you've come to that conclusion.
The thing that comes out of this more than Tricky getting herself in trouble is the people who insist on the "You should be able to do and say what you want without consequences" crowd "suddenly" turning into huge hypocrites when it's their favorite political figure on the receiving end of the blatantly irresponsible remark instead of a minority.
But Rev, Kirsche, Grixit and Azehara turning out to be massive hypocrites shouldn't really suprise anyone.
@@effluxi9587Those people aren't free speech absolutests unless I missed them wanting Tricky banned it's not hypocrisy to be against someone being an unhinged asshat
@@effluxi9587 its not about being consistent. like kirshce said in her stream, it's about adhering to to their own standards and that is something people like trickywi and you blatantly disregard when taking part in. if it's about hypocrisy, people like you would make one too many exceptions unless if it's someone you don't like. quit trying to use their consistency against them when you cant be consistent to your own standards
@@dal4268I'll be real, I get the Vibe Kirsche is a completely different person when she's not Live(and not in a good way)
@@dal4268 I'm plenty consistent to my own standards. The fact that your only comeback to it is "yeah but I'm sure you, random stranger I don't know on the internet, are a bigger hypocrite" makes it pretty blatant you're clutching at straws.
I think Tricky is an idiotic hypocrite who doesn't know when to stfu, but the problem is that people like K*rche are very clearly malicious hypocrites who don't want to stfu so they can spend 90% of their time peddling their politics to a "supposedly" apolitical market in vtubing whilst being allowed the same opportunities and platform as others creators.
I could tolerate them despite disagreeing with their politics whilst it was JUST a difference in opinion (especially since I DO agree on certain things they say about various non-political subjects - though it's debatable how much they even actually mean those things rather than just using them to radicalise more moderate viewers)
but such a blatantly coodinated and hypocritical stance they suddenly take as a group when and idiot like tricky gives them an opening removes any doubt of their motive.
Actions have consequences, whether you like it or not. Even if not in writing, they will socially. It's not that hard to be a nice person if you don't have an agenda.
The final thing I will say is that it was hilarious to read "People will have shown their true colors today" and it's just either people outing themselves as hypocrites or people you could already have told hated the orange man. "The mask slipped" yeah, yours.
To be joke:
>need to be funny
>you cant take seriously what you talking
if that jk was in first poat i maybe allow to pass as cringe or atleast "xD" but everybody sees that she mean it.
3rdly dude died covering his wife and dauther withchis body and makingbjokes about it i crazy.
4th jokes about some towers are funny bc shows how unexpected this was not: haha funny died
Lmao FAFO Tricky 😂
I'll forgive Tricky if her apology is genuine. Give her a chance to come back and right this. Otherwise, if there's no chance for redemption, there's only one direction that'll be left for her to take.
It's not genuine people poked holes in it before an hour passed
@@bashamd96the holes in the apology only show how corporate/soulless it is. To know if she was truly genuine is to keep an eye on her and see how she responds to similar situations. Change can’t happen over a single tweet, it takes time to happen
@@bashamd96 I'm just sayin, I'm not in her head. If she really is sorry and holds herself accountable and dont do this again, I'll forgive her.
Because she's already better than people who dont apologize, and better than those like Destiny who double down and take things further.
I'd recommend Baken and Father Astaroths' tweets about the situation. Astaroths' specifically
TRUMP 2024
At the end of the day we're all grown ass adults we should be able to say whatever the hell we want, people getting triggered over what she said should say a lot honesty like hell twitter themselves have said way worst
And yet if someone of the right said the same shit she did.. if things were reversed.. it wouldn't be a MORE MASSIVE problem. She Let her mask fall and should be judged cuz Free speech is great.. but you are not safe from the consequences
Hell yeah, as adults, we can say whatever we want because we're now legally and socially liable for whatever we do and whatever we say.
I agree with this, because I would have the same views on this, if this was Biden and jokes were made about him. Heck, I have seen people make 9/11 memes and jokes. So I think that the timing was too soon. But there have been press conferences, or other things Biden's been at and people on the other side make jokes about him. There are jokes about people saying Biden's old, or he pooped himself and there are jokes of Trump being bald, or his hands are too small. Not gonna lie, I'm tired of hearing about this. I have unsubbed from people because it's constantly being brought up in my recommendations and I click not interested. I'm neutral about this. I may or may not resubscribe to them, depending on if they keep talking about this.
Edit: I think that Twicky should be consistent and not hypocritical though. I'm talking about her dark or edgy humor stance. To me Twicky should have avoided this topic and made no comment, but here we are. I hope that Twicky and other famous people learn from this. It's like the boycotting of some product or company or support something that some people get cancelled over. She gave ammo (pun intended) to anti's. I think that she and others who said and done similar things may have lost some support for this, like in terms of subs or followers but I also think that not everyone who got upset by this, even knew who she or other similar vtubers was, were subbed to her or were followers of her anyway. And I'm not sure how consistent her stance on dark and edgy humor is because I know I have seen lewd jokes done by Twicky, her friends, her chat, community, etc.
That wasn't a joke lmao and even if it was, Tricky is known for disliking dark humor, so whatever lol
Yeah cool story. The real problem here is that people like Tricky will say they don't condone saying something hateful, like what she said. Then be a hypocrite and try to justify the very same attitude that they will try to condemn. Maybe, and I might be crazy for saying this, but how about we as people try to be more consistent with our morals.
Republicans joke all the time about stuff like this and can't take their own jokes thrown back at them.
what tricky said wasn't inciting violence she never told anyone to harm anyone to incite violence you need to purposefully instigate harm thats not what tricky did also considering tricky says she was joking and she was just joking after not knowing the full story its always possible by "shoot your shot" she was making a jab at the term related to making a attempt to date someone while also poking fun at the shooting while not knowing people got hurt thats goin by devils advocate sure but also possible just like its possible she made the joke not fully knowing the story and it was her way of coping with seeing/hearing about what happened we never know though with her reply to the replier I don't think that was related to the situation but more a automatic response as there are people who go after her even before this its possible she thought it was just another person being hateful or it could of been a snap response while trying to cope with what she saw/heard we never know as we aren't tricky herself I do actually believe shes sorry though cause I've seen enough of tricky to know she does admit her fuck ups 90% of the time
She only apologized when people were pushing back. Stop making excuses for people who let their emotions lead them. If she had bothered to be rational from the beginning, this situation would have never occurred.
Tricky's tweet is much more tame compared to Kokonut's
Nah, she showed her true colors as a fan of political violence and shooting people who she disagrees with. Only deleted and apologized after people on /vt/ started to ask which companies sponsor her.
@@jorosslemertejada8484what she say?
@@mrrandomdude4291 If I remember correctly she said something about the situation in one of her stream, someone clipped it and posted it on twitter but I don't remember who.
Tricky's 300k followers are gonna be reduced to atoms.
at 1h22m what the hell is this video
what you talking about, gender is one of the main things democrates in usa is pushing on schools and social media