@notsoharsh3549 Basically, you roll only the first or up to the 2nd one. And if it's not great or up to your standard, u dump it. Doing it like this causes you to burn more tuners than exp. Since exp scales so u would spend a little amount of exp compared to tuners whose cost is always the same. The return when salvaging/reusing it is 30% for tuners while 80% for exp.
I wanna point out that Hacate’s echo skill solves one of Yinlin’s weakness - heavy attack gets cancelled when gets attacked. It’s because echo skill can auto-counter any attacks, which helps A LOT when you’re applying coordinated attacks with heavy attack during mid fight. Of course, if you’re confident on your skill and wanna min-maxing damage, go for tempest memphis of Empyrean Anthem
DON'T BLINDLY FARM THIS SET JUST BECAUSE YOUR YINLIN NUMBERS WILL BE BIGGER!!!! Not only is this comparison not enough to see if it's worth swapping from moonlit, it's also not enough to know if the overall team dmg will be bigger. Moonlit gives your main dps 22.5% atk + 12% ALL DMG bonus for 15s (enough for most dps rotations). Anthem gives your main dps 20% atk for 4s everytime you crit with coordinated atacks + your sub dps 80% coordinated atk dmg bonus (+40 if u have hecate). This set is only used in hypercarry teams (on the sub dps) because dual dps need 2 dmg sets for the 2 dps. On hypercarry teams, the dmg disparity between your main dps and sub dps is HUGE somtimes around the 85-15% or 90-10%. Even with the huge buffs this set gives your sub dps it is not enough dmg to make up the dmg you are giving up on you main dps by throwing away these buffs. For you to know if it's worth farming this set for you subs, you have to perform team wide rotation dmg calculations and know how much of that rotation dmg was from each character.
@@shahmeyr-farsi For Mortefi + Jiyan teams, yes, but it may be tricky to use with Jinhsi (yes, Jinhsi does work well with S6 Mortefi, even more so if he has Static Mist, but it's a lot of work).
Dual dps aside : If you play both your yinlin and Zhezhi correctly with this set, you will always have 20% atk buff on your main dps. So what you are actually losing is 12.5% dmg dealt and 2.5% atk. 2.5% atk for main dps is a non factor compared to the coord atk increase for yinlin from the set. The competition will be, 12.5% dmg boost + 2.5% (22.5 vs 20) atk for main dps vs 12% electro dmg + 12% skill dmg, + 80% coord atk dmg for yinlin. If you have a fully built yinlin you know how much dmg her coord atk adds to the overall team dps. When we do get team rotation calculations with this set I’m very confident that in Yinlin’s case this will increase team dmg dealt by quite a bit. While I’m not disagreeing with you about knowing what you’re farming for, I think this set is safe to farm, even if not for your Yinlin/Zhezhi but for upcoming characters as well bc it seems we will be getting more coordinated attackers
Its BiS for Zhezhi also and she does alot of Cordinated attacks, if you got String master of Zhezhis sig wep to shes cracked, plus BiS memebr for Carlotta so its a win win ^^
I'm honestly still think Moonlit set is worth to grind for, maybe 1 spare set so you can use it for "Burst-hungry" DPS like Xiangli Yao. With Heron's Echo skill, you can give XLY his perfect rotation
moonlit is best for dedicated support new set is better for high damaging coord characters (for now yinlin and zhezhi) and might be good on a highly invested mortefi i think also this set allows characters line youhu to be usable now i had fun using youhu with yinlin as my yinlin hits for 12K per coord attack LOL and i dont have her sig
this echo set is engineered for co-attack sub dps like TL and zhezi, if you build your yinlin properly she'll close the dmg loss gap, i have tried this with jinshi,YL,SK and the result is surprisingly good and i can Clear TOA much faster, but for other DPS like charlotte who use sanhua as sub dps then moonlight is definitely better.
Hold or press doesn't matter Once you activate heron the only condition is that you have to hit the enemy once. After that you have 15 seconds to trigger a outro skill and then the buff will apply to whoever is coming in Meaning you can literally use heron first Then shorkeeper for example Trigger her outro on yinlin and then to the main dps and the buff of heron count anyway. You can also hold heron and fly and chase down a boss that moves too much (inferno rider 😡) and then intro the next character and it will buff them.
Already got a half decent set for my Zhezhi at 65/260. Gonna be farming this for a while for my Yinlin and Mortefi too because it buffs the on field carry and gives way more personal damage damage than moonlit. I never liked moonlit for the fact that i wanted some extra damage on my sub dps as well as they are still dps and this gives you both.
imo, no. Mortefi's only source of coordinate dmg is from his ultimate which lasts for only 10 seconds, so if you got lucky and the last Marcato lands a crit, it extends the buff uptime to 14 seconds, which is very tight since any hesitation can lead to Carlotta's final hit or even sooner than that, missing the buff entirely
Hecate does not give anything for your main dps ... You are basically trading 12% damage boost which is huge on top of the already buffed dps, with more damage on yinlin or the others
@@karntipatsangtong9167 If that's literally your only source of dmg bonus then yes, but in reality every character uses Dmg bonus 3 cost, their echo 2pc and 5 pc effect also usually gives dmg bonus, the main stat 4 cost echo gives dmg bonus, and substats of echoes also have dmg bonus(resonance skill dmg, basic atk dmg bonus, etc), all in all you have tons of sources of dmg bonus so that 12% is usually closer to 5-6% dmg increase.
the purpose of moonlit is to buff the next resonator not buffing the support. if you care for yinlin or zz damage then go for imperian. but if you just want a smooth rotation of support and buff to your main dps then go moonlit. for me ill stay with moonlit for hypercarry jinhsi, xyo, changli, camellya and carlotta.
I am farming it for Yinlin as i am using her as sub bps with Xiangli Yao. I don't have her signature weapon so she has Cosmic Ripples equipped. Since she doesn't deal that much by herself so i decided to give her a 44111 set with Hecate in the main slot (Crt Dmg) , Nightmare Tempest Mephis in the 2nd slot (Crt Rate). I have paired her with Youhu who gives another 100% buff coordinated atk on top of this echo set bonus. So i am expecting her off-field dmg to go through the roof 😊
While I'm excited for new sets, Kuro needs to gove more echo xp, the way I groan getting so many echoes and those dice cubes but never have anywhere near enough exp, it's painful.
The sets are kinda smilira Difference is Whether or not 120% cord attack buff yinlin deals more DMG than your Main DPS with 12,5 DMG boost and 2,5 atk boost that moonlit would provide
tldr; moonlit: more dmg buff for dps, less dmg for sub dps empyrean: less dmg buff for dps, more dmg for sub dps conclusion: in term of team overall dmg, empyrean wins. but you have to put extra effort into building your sub dps to deal as high dmg as possible which is the main reason you choose to use empyrean set.
the molded echo drop on hecate is really a nice touch and how it has all sonata effect means you can do a 44111 to those other sonata that used to have only have 1 4 cost. though i still prefer 43311 but still good regardless.
I also swap mine with this set and ill be honest, this set is really a good one. Moonlit isnt bad, its more like if you have spare mats then you can invest on this set but theres no need to go that far if you already have a pretty good moonlit set. I was actually amazed with the output damage with both Zhezhi and Yinlin so its more easier to clear ToA now. There are also several new sets that I want to play with but for sure this set is worth trying (especially if you have yinlin weapon, the 2nd bonus effect is such a breeze to trigger )
Coordinated attacks are attacks that characters do while they are not actively on the Field out of the top of my head characters with Coordinated attacks are Mortefi and Verina with their Ultimates and Yinlin and Zhezhi with their skills and this is explicitly stated in the skill description if it is considered one shorekeepers butterflies for example do not count as Coordinated attacks even tho they could deal damage while she is not on the field the attack has to be triggered by the on-field Character
the question is whether the damage increase in yinlin/zhezhi can outdamage the damage increase from moonlight set + heron jump to your main dps (xiangli yao/carlotta).
I haven’t seen any testing yet, but if your yinlin is fully built with moonlit she will deal between 10-12k or more with her coordinated atk, which is roughly 60% of her total dmg output in overall team dmg. The new set increases her overall dmg output as a sub dps by roughly 35%. You only lose 2.5% atk with 20% atk from empyrean set vs moonlits 22.5%. So about 35% more dmg for yinlin vs 12.5% dmg dealt + 2.5% atk for main dps. While I can’t say it’s definitively better in overall team dps without calculations, in a XLY + YL team I would bet my account on it. Seeing as this set is specifically made for sub dps with coord attacks, it’s safe to declare moonlit as the BIS for sub dps without coord atks like Sanhua. While empyrean will be BIS for any coord attacker from here on out. No reason to make a new set for specific characters achetypes if an old set would be better on them right?
@@BabaYaga0713 for xly yl team this set is a 1% team damage increase over moonlit assuming equal invest on both units (which is a bad assumption but whatever), its a similar situation for all other coordinated atkers This set is probably made with future coordinated atkers in mind who are gonna have better numbers (minmaxed roccia is doing 300k to 400k dmg per rotation so thats what im expecting for future subdps) to make this set worth it
@@BabaYaga0713 they are yeah, both on paper and in practice, for context someone on carlotta mains did some numbers crunching and got an average 1s slower clears with the new set on zhezhi over moonlit Sadly current subdps are just too undertuned to make this new set worth it
Echoes sub stats: Get rekt noob I truly wish we will have some way to influence the horrible sub-stats rng in the future. I'm not asking for much because they already delivred so much but some events that allow you to select 2-3 sub-stats every month would be great !
I use Yinlin in a special way: in a dual DPS team with Changli. Changli is built around liberation and gets a decent buff by Yinlin. Should I still switch from moonlit set?
No, he edited the fight to make new set looked better but it wasn't, the left one start damaging 4 seconds later than the right one, left clip missed a few attacks but both end fight at 35s/31s (L/R) so basically their performance are similar, no real benefit from switching set. Secondly the first part of the video only showed the coordinated damage but you know Yinlin damage distribution is relatively even between skill, burst and coordinated attacks. The new set buff coordinated attack but you get lower damage from skill and burst, so everything just even-out. If you already have a good thunder set, farming new nightmare Tempest will give you a good boost with little resource spend, don't farm a whole new set.
@@sonnguyen-iv7gv Not entirely true. While Yinlins damage distribution for skill is quite good, your forgetting that the coordinated attack set ALSO gives damage to the on-field resonator, making it far stronger as your both doing more dmg (which the moonlit set does not give Yinlin) and ALSO boosting your on-field resonator which the thunder set does not do. Almost like the best of both worlds with this.
@@sonnguyen-iv7gv new set isnt just for buffing or just for personal damage, its a mix of both, user of the set both gets a coordinated attack damage boost so their (mostly) off field damage is increased by a lot while also buffing the on fielder teammate, with hecate and the full set bonus 120% coordinated atk damage bonus isnt something to be overlooked, or at worst its gonna be total of 104% damage bonus with mephis
@@AistraGaming what you said is correct but in the clip, Yinlin was the onfield, she took the buff so her damage can be similar to the thunder set. In quickswap Yinlin XY team, new set can be noticeable better than thunder when you can onfield both of them in the same time. But (again), as i said above, 2 set performance are close, you don't need to change the set if you already have a good thunder set
For yinlin, i think its not worth it at alllllllll to farm For zhezhi, she has a slight edge over yinlin. If you already farmed a good moonlit, there is no hurry to change. I wouldnt change set For mortefi though .........
If the character are a support and using moonlight set just slap the usual crit rate + element + element and call it a day. What did you even do? Crit rate+dmg on all 5 echoes?
Even though it’s a pretty big difference for both yinlin and Zhezhi sub dps teams, it’s more of a min max set and isn’t needed to clear any content when you have decent moonlit sets
As a big Yinlin player. Between Empyrean and Void Thunder… *drum roll* Void thunder still wins for me but of course with the new nightmare. With my Carlotta, Yinlin and Shorekeeper team they melt things away.❤❤❤
For yinlin, the empryean set is pretty mid (and not worth to farm for). These are my takes for it. 1. Yinlin coord atk uptime takes a while (even worse when ur fighting multiwave and u are forced to spend time on YL instead of ur dps just to keep coord atk uptime) 2. 20% atk is not THAT big of a dmg increase (about ~8% dmg inc on every dps assuming u have full uptime + ur atk is not super diluted from other sources of atk) 3. The dmg increase from hecate + empryean set is actually not that much. Empryean (180%) - 60% 3C mainstat - 40% hecate - 80% empryean 5p Void thunder (124%) - 60% 3c main - 12% electro + 12% reso skill nightmare tempest - 40% void thunder Assuming ur subs are exactly the same, ur coord atks will just do 45% more dmg on empryean but ur other sources of dmg will literally be halved. So overall dmg you will see Void >Empryean The only time where Empryean > Void is when ur yinlin is not invested and ur dps is already invested. At literally no investment, u would be better off using yuanwu who has 100% uptime purely for the 20% atk buff empryean provides
I think you should farm the other tacet field first because even if u don’t have Carlotta the new spectro set makes spectro rover just as good/better than havoc.
Sorry if I missed this from the video, but is Hecate always better than Tempest Mephis for Yinlin? Idk what % of Yinlin's damage is coordinated attacks.
Sounds good.. idk about yall but I'm have the worst luck getting g echos for the new ice queen.. so far only got 2 ok echos... farmed the 4 cost 80x got 3 crit rate pieces and went to junk.. fml...such a pain can't even use my ice queen...
Well, this set is definitely strong in TOA where boss and mobs don't die instantly, but I wouldn't recommend using this for exploration. To make use of Empyrean Anthem set, you also need to highly invest in that character for the DMG. In the meantime, moonlit can still be your holder and doesn't sacrifice your burst DMG in exploration
Yeah for multiple wave content or things where mobs die fast Zhezhi is the better co-ordinated attacker for the set since she doesn't rely on marks to apply her co-ordinated attack and instead its just a field.
I disagree, it really doesn’t matter what you use for exploration. If you use your yinlin/Zhezhi as your main dps for exploration then maybe BUT if you’re using your yinlin as main dps void thunder is still 3% more damage overall than empyrean anthem regardless of higher coord dmg so there’s no need for new set. If you use your yinlin/Zhezhi as sub dps with moonlit, the empyrean is an upgrade to that set anywhere in the game, because those characters will pretty much only be fully used in exploration when you’re fighting an enemy tanky enough to need your sub dps’s full rotation activating the set buff anyways. You don’t rely on their dps but their utility for your main dps. If you’re exploring and you have new set on but don’t activate the atk buff from coord atks, you’re losing 22% atk buff and 12% dmg buff, which seems big on paper, but in exploration if your teams built well and you try to do your full team rotation most enemies will be dead by the time you get to your main dps anyways So like you said overworld mobs will die instantly, so it does not matter what set you have on your sub dps
@@BabaYaga0713 well, I understand what you said, but I said you need to highly invest in that character for the DMG. Because you will notice the low DMG burst in short time when farming. So either your DPS can easily kill everything without Yinlin/Zhezhi (no need for proper rotation), or you go through the normal rotation but now your sub DPS deals weaker DMG while they are on field. I also said Moonlit is your holder, until you can actually build a good Empyrean Set.
@@MattRoadhouse Electro set is better, Xiangli Yaos rotation is front loaded with damage when you switch into him so your damage goes fully online faster with Electro set where you are missing a chunk of the damage of lingering tunes when you are doing your big hits. This was the case before and now double as so with the new Nightmare Mephis.
It might actually be the optimal way because Hecate and the set bonus already give you morbilion damage%, and this way you can share the same one set across all chars that want it
One thing for reference before you use Empyrian Anthem, if you want the character to be sub-dps, you need to have a high crit rate (above 80%) to make sure the 20% dmg buff to always active. If your crit rate is low better stay with Moonlit.
The comparison wasn't that great. You needed to test a full rotation with Yinlin using ult and forte at least, cuz those are no longer buffed with the new set.
@@sutishati9503It lets him be a Support character since hes the 2nd most constant Coordinated attack character next to Mortefi, and faster attack rate = more chance to crit = triggering Empyrean anthem 2nd effect Also the fact its a Resonance Skill and not Liberation, Forte, or build up related skill AND it triggers on any attack makes him stupidly generic The damage boost for his own kit is also really good
this showcase is a bit misleading. Sure you are gonna do more dmg on your yinlin/zhezhi but they are honestly only a small part of your dmg if you are using a strong main dps like yao/jinhsi/carlotta, usually around 30% of team dps at most. So you are only buffing 30% of yout team dmg by like 35-40%. Not to mention moonlit is actually better in terms of buffs since Heron is just superior to hecate due to it buffing the next unit, giving more resonance energy and dealing similar dmg. So you are trading a bit of dmg on your main dps for a decent amount of dmg on your coordinated attacker who will do siginificantly less dmg overall so in the end you are looking at maybe a 5-10% teamdps increase overall. I would say this set is last priority for most poeple not worth the insane stamina and time sink required for now. TLDR: Only farm this after you are done building your maindps if you already have a good moonlit set which is similar and more universal across characters (not limited to just coordinated atks).
their damage is actually way less than 30%, its closer to 10-15%, overall the team damage gain over moonlit is like 1% assuming equal invest on all units (which is a wrong assumption most of the time anyways, since the average dps is gonna be at a higher invest than the average subdps)
Slap a Youhu in there and the Coordinated attacks will deal twice the dmg. Thats what im using in my f2p acc budget and Yinlin is now lowkey the main DPS 💀
I've been trying to farm this for my Yuanwu 😭😭 im glad he now has a dedicated set This entire patch, i'll dedicate my time to farm for Yuanwu and Mort..
Nightmare tempest mephis has to be the worst boss ever. It can drop on both empyrian and void thunder set and has no guaranteed drop rate. I farmed it like 30+ times and havent gotten a main stat crit rate echo on any of them. In total 3x crit damage as main stat and the rest are just useless healing bonus and defense ones. I am so done with farming it.
don't think it worth farming it.. Unless you where using the moonlight cloud on Yinlin.. All the dmg you loose from skill/autoattack/R.Awekening. Don't make up from just the coordinate attacks.
Tbh I still question about how useful that this set actually is... This video only shows the damage from the singular character, while for most normal players, we use full team, which usually contains Main DPS, Sub DPS and Healer. In the case of Sub DPS being a coordinated attacker, their damage are way lower than main DPS. On surface, Empyrean Anthem set allows more damage for your Sub DPS while still able to provide buff for your main. Making your Sub DPS deals higher damage but with 2.5% less ATK buff on your main is worth it... right? Well, there are more thing to consider, mainly because of which echo that Empyrean Anthem set has, unlike Moonlit Cloud, Empyrean Anthem does not have any 4 cost echo that buff your main DPS. Using heron as example, your main DPS are going to lose 14.5% ATK on each rotation... Again, I am just questioning it, not denying it... Since I did not do any math to calculate if it is actually the damage lost for the team. As far as what I see... - sub DPS that deal coordinated attacks still fall short by a large amount in damage, which may unable to fill up the damage lost on your main DPS - team build will be way more expensive, not only you have to build your sub DPS seriously, this is also the new set as well All in all, if my theory are true, I will advice to refrain to farm this set for now, until kuro release some new 4 cost echo that will buff the incoming/all character just like heron. (or/and they release a new character that is consider as main DPS that is also using coordinated attacks as main damage source)
Echo exp: *nuh uh*
also rolling sub stats: nuh uh
Tuners issue >>
But that's only for people who min-max efficiently, casual people gonna go out of echo exp faster.
@@Gheniel_ can you please explain how it works? like the min-max thingy you said
@@notsoharsh3549 Basically, you try to get the best echo sub-stats for your Resonator if you try to min-max
@notsoharsh3549 Basically, you roll only the first or up to the 2nd one. And if it's not great or up to your standard, u dump it. Doing it like this causes you to burn more tuners than exp. Since exp scales so u would spend a little amount of exp compared to tuners whose cost is always the same. The return when salvaging/reusing it is 30% for tuners while 80% for exp.
I wanna point out that Hacate’s echo skill solves one of Yinlin’s weakness - heavy attack gets cancelled when gets attacked. It’s because echo skill can auto-counter any attacks, which helps A LOT when you’re applying coordinated attacks with heavy attack during mid fight.
Of course, if you’re confident on your skill and wanna min-maxing damage, go for tempest memphis of Empyrean Anthem
It also color matches yinlin. That's the main reason I'm getting it 😂
It's really nice for sure, but in most rotations you'll be swap cancelling her heavy anyways. So its better to go for the damage of the heron.
@@bluetears8634 you usually either cancel the heavy atk animation with the ult or with a swap cancel though...
It also can be used during any combo and won't interrupt the flow. Game-changer for YL
DON'T BLINDLY FARM THIS SET JUST BECAUSE YOUR YINLIN NUMBERS WILL BE BIGGER!!!!
Not only is this comparison not enough to see if it's worth swapping from moonlit, it's also not enough to know if the overall team dmg will be bigger.
Moonlit gives your main dps 22.5% atk + 12% ALL DMG bonus for 15s (enough for most dps rotations).
Anthem gives your main dps 20% atk for 4s everytime you crit with coordinated atacks + your sub dps 80% coordinated atk dmg bonus (+40 if u have hecate).
This set is only used in hypercarry teams (on the sub dps) because dual dps need 2 dmg sets for the 2 dps.
On hypercarry teams, the dmg disparity between your main dps and sub dps is HUGE somtimes around the 85-15% or 90-10%. Even with the huge buffs this set gives your sub dps it is not enough dmg to make up the dmg you are giving up on you main dps by throwing away these buffs.
For you to know if it's worth farming this set for you subs, you have to perform team wide rotation dmg calculations and know how much of that rotation dmg was from each character.
It may be useful on mortefi
@@shahmeyr-farsi For Mortefi + Jiyan teams, yes, but it may be tricky to use with Jinhsi (yes, Jinhsi does work well with S6 Mortefi, even more so if he has Static Mist, but it's a lot of work).
Also obviously Yinlin and Zhezhi due to heir high DMG numbers.
Dual dps aside : If you play both your yinlin and Zhezhi correctly with this set, you will always have 20% atk buff on your main dps. So what you are actually losing is 12.5% dmg dealt and 2.5% atk. 2.5% atk for main dps is a non factor compared to the coord atk increase for yinlin from the set.
The competition will be, 12.5% dmg boost + 2.5% (22.5 vs 20) atk for main dps vs 12% electro dmg + 12% skill dmg, + 80% coord atk dmg for yinlin. If you have a fully built yinlin you know how much dmg her coord atk adds to the overall team dps.
When we do get team rotation calculations with this set I’m very confident that in Yinlin’s case this will increase team dmg dealt by quite a bit. While I’m not disagreeing with you about knowing what you’re farming for, I think this set is safe to farm, even if not for your Yinlin/Zhezhi but for upcoming characters as well bc it seems we will be getting more coordinated attackers
@@shahmeyr-farsi Still thinking if is worth? and how much will be the +%dmg
Honestly i hope Kuro just increases echo xp from tye tacet fields
Same
Been asking for this since the start. I also think they should add a x2 x5 random chance when applying echo exp.
Thata what i've been suggesting in survey 😂
@@Dinofrogg nah why is this the one feature i miss from genshin after quitting 2 years ago and no other game has added it 😭
moonlit for regular supporter
empyren for coordinate attack support
void thunder for dps. yinlin can be a solo dps with enough sequence
Thx ❤ i have been waiting for these set comparison videos.
Its BiS for Zhezhi also and she does alot of Cordinated attacks, if you got String master of Zhezhis sig wep to shes cracked, plus BiS memebr for Carlotta so its a win win ^^
I'm honestly still think Moonlit set is worth to grind for, maybe 1 spare set so you can use it for "Burst-hungry" DPS like Xiangli Yao. With Heron's Echo skill, you can give XLY his perfect rotation
moonlit is best for dedicated support
new set is better for high damaging coord characters (for now yinlin and zhezhi) and might be good on a highly invested mortefi i think
also this set allows characters line youhu to be usable now
i had fun using youhu with yinlin as my yinlin hits for 12K per coord attack LOL and i dont have her sig
this echo set is engineered for co-attack sub dps like TL and zhezi, if you build your yinlin properly she'll close the dmg loss gap, i have tried this with jinshi,YL,SK and the result is surprisingly good and i can Clear TOA much faster, but for other DPS like charlotte who use sanhua as sub dps then moonlight is definitely better.
who the heck is charlotte?
@@adriancamposano8891 i mean carlotta, damn g-board with it's autocorrect.
@@bewe5473are you sure you don’t mean camellya? Carlotta + Sanhua doesn’t make sense
My problem with heron is accidental hold button 😂. Kinda hope they add toggle on hold echo
ugh yeah i feel u on this one
I was surprised the Nightmare heron didn't have the buff effect actually, would have been nice to just have a better faster application of the buff.
Hold or press doesn't matter
Once you activate heron the only condition is that you have to hit the enemy once.
After that you have 15 seconds to trigger a outro skill and then the buff will apply to whoever is coming in
Meaning you can literally use heron first
Then shorkeeper for example
Trigger her outro on yinlin and then to the main dps and the buff of heron count anyway.
You can also hold heron and fly and chase down a boss that moves too much (inferno rider 😡) and then intro the next character and it will buff them.
Already got a half decent set for my Zhezhi at 65/260. Gonna be farming this for a while for my Yinlin and Mortefi too because it buffs the on field carry and gives way more personal damage damage than moonlit. I never liked moonlit for the fact that i wanted some extra damage on my sub dps as well as they are still dps and this gives you both.
Oooohhhh is the Empyrean Set better for Mortefi as well?
I kinda wanna try it out but my resources are depleted because of Carlotta haha
Yes
it might be even more better for him than yinlin
imo, no. Mortefi's only source of coordinate dmg is from his ultimate which lasts for only 10 seconds, so if you got lucky and the last Marcato lands a crit, it extends the buff uptime to 14 seconds, which is very tight since any hesitation can lead to Carlotta's final hit or even sooner than that, missing the buff entirely
@@derikpham3368 bro mortefi with jiyan not carlotta
@@derikpham3368 bro mortefi is played with jiyan, carlotta doesnt need mortefi at all
This update is PHENOMENAL , KURO cooked in style , its deserves all praises !
Not really great on Yinlin if you fighting against swarms tbh. When they die, the mark plus the coordinated attack are gone.
gotta love it when the wave just evaporates 2 secs after I apply the yinlin coordinated attacks and switching in my main dps lmao
That's my biggest issue with yinlin in general tbh
this is very helpful. the hecate was a little bit upgrade from my void thunder but it's good enough. thanks!
I farmed a decent set for Yin Lin and the rotation seems so much better. XY enjoyers rejoice!!
Bro has 999 crystal solvents. Wtf...
Hecate does not give anything for your main dps ... You are basically trading 12% damage boost which is huge on top of the already buffed dps, with more damage on yinlin or the others
Is 12% damage bonus is really that huge boost in damage. If my overall main dps damage is 100k ,with 12% bonus damage will it become 112k?
Is that 12 percent just regular damage percent?
@@karntipatsangtong9167 If that's literally your only source of dmg bonus then yes, but in reality every character uses Dmg bonus 3 cost, their echo 2pc and 5 pc effect also usually gives dmg bonus, the main stat 4 cost echo gives dmg bonus, and substats of echoes also have dmg bonus(resonance skill dmg, basic atk dmg bonus, etc), all in all you have tons of sources of dmg bonus so that 12% is usually closer to 5-6% dmg increase.
if they don't improve the acquiring of tuners this set is gonna take ages to get with usable sub stats cuz I tried and I always get shitty substats.
the purpose of moonlit is to buff the next resonator not buffing the support. if you care for yinlin or zz damage then go for imperian. but if you just want a smooth rotation of support and buff to your main dps then go moonlit. for me ill stay with moonlit for hypercarry jinhsi, xyo, changli, camellya and carlotta.
I am farming it for Yinlin as i am using her as sub bps with Xiangli Yao. I don't have her signature weapon so she has Cosmic Ripples equipped. Since she doesn't deal that much by herself so i decided to give her a 44111 set with Hecate in the main slot (Crt Dmg) , Nightmare Tempest Mephis in the 2nd slot (Crt Rate). I have paired her with Youhu who gives another 100% buff coordinated atk on top of this echo set bonus. So i am expecting her off-field dmg to go through the roof 😊
While I'm excited for new sets, Kuro needs to gove more echo xp, the way I groan getting so many echoes and those dice cubes but never have anywhere near enough exp, it's painful.
The sets are kinda smilira
Difference is
Whether or not 120% cord attack buff yinlin deals more DMG than your Main DPS with 12,5 DMG boost and 2,5 atk boost that moonlit would provide
tldr;
moonlit: more dmg buff for dps, less dmg for sub dps
empyrean: less dmg buff for dps, more dmg for sub dps
conclusion: in term of team overall dmg, empyrean wins. but you have to put extra effort into building your sub dps to deal as high dmg as possible which is the main reason you choose to use empyrean set.
the molded echo drop on hecate is really a nice touch and how it has all sonata effect means you can do a 44111 to those other sonata that used to have only have 1 4 cost. though i still prefer 43311 but still good regardless.
I also swap mine with this set and ill be honest, this set is really a good one. Moonlit isnt bad, its more like if you have spare mats then you can invest on this set but theres no need to go that far if you already have a pretty good moonlit set. I was actually amazed with the output damage with both Zhezhi and Yinlin so its more easier to clear ToA now. There are also several new sets that I want to play with but for sure this set is worth trying (especially if you have yinlin weapon, the 2nd bonus effect is such a breeze to trigger )
Anyone know what is a Coordinated Attack? And who else has this in addition to Yinlin?
Coordinated attacks are attacks that characters do while they are not actively on the Field out of the top of my head characters with Coordinated attacks are Mortefi and Verina with their Ultimates and Yinlin and Zhezhi with their skills and this is explicitly stated in the skill description if it is considered one shorekeepers butterflies for example do not count as Coordinated attacks even tho they could deal damage while she is not on the field the attack has to be triggered by the on-field Character
@@elonex1126 Bro! Thank you ^_^
the question is whether the damage increase in yinlin/zhezhi can outdamage the damage increase from moonlight set + heron jump to your main dps (xiangli yao/carlotta).
I haven’t seen any testing yet, but if your yinlin is fully built with moonlit she will deal between 10-12k or more with her coordinated atk, which is roughly 60% of her total dmg output in overall team dmg. The new set increases her overall dmg output as a sub dps by roughly 35%. You only lose 2.5% atk with 20% atk from empyrean set vs moonlits 22.5%. So about 35% more dmg for yinlin vs 12.5% dmg dealt + 2.5% atk for main dps.
While I can’t say it’s definitively better in overall team dps without calculations, in a XLY + YL team I would bet my account on it.
Seeing as this set is specifically made for sub dps with coord attacks, it’s safe to declare moonlit as the BIS for sub dps without coord atks like Sanhua. While empyrean will be BIS for any coord attacker from here on out. No reason to make a new set for specific characters achetypes if an old set would be better on them right?
@@BabaYaga0713 for xly yl team this set is a 1% team damage increase over moonlit assuming equal invest on both units (which is a bad assumption but whatever), its a similar situation for all other coordinated atkers
This set is probably made with future coordinated atkers in mind who are gonna have better numbers (minmaxed roccia is doing 300k to 400k dmg per rotation so thats what im expecting for future subdps) to make this set worth it
@@pablo14kekw whelp, if those calcs are right then at least my account is hypothetically safe lol
@@BabaYaga0713 they are yeah, both on paper and in practice, for context someone on carlotta mains did some numbers crunching and got an average 1s slower clears with the new set on zhezhi over moonlit
Sadly current subdps are just too undertuned to make this new set worth it
yes, thats what i am curious, the 120% co ordinate dmg increase sounds ridiculous though.
how do you unlock the domain for it? I went to the place on the map and it's empty
I've never farmed Empyrean set, but I've gotten almost perfect sets for Yinlin or Ult user. With the stringmaster, I barely need crit-rate.
i HAVE CARLOTA and zhezhi which set is better for zhezhi? heron or the new one?
Echoes sub stats: Get rekt noob
I truly wish we will have some way to influence the horrible sub-stats rng in the future. I'm not asking for much because they already delivred so much but some events that allow you to select 2-3 sub-stats every month would be great !
is the set good on mortefi?
I wonder if Empyrean Anthem is good for Jianxin...
u r also missing out on all the extra on-field dmg for the sub-dps resonator
I use Yinlin in a special way: in a dual DPS team with Changli. Changli is built around liberation and gets a decent buff by Yinlin. Should I still switch from moonlit set?
Changli is built and scales around Resonance Skill not liberation
@LeoDragoGR That's why I wrote how I have built my Changli. That team does already better than Jiyan + Mortefi so if it works it works.
3:15 bro care to explain why you have 1014 Crystal Solvents?
I had 50 and was thinking it's too much.(They got evaporated when I farmed for carlotta and her set)😂
I really want to use Carlotta with Yinlin, would this be the best echo set to put on Yinlin if I wanted to do that?
So we should change the set echoes now
No, he edited the fight to make new set looked better but it wasn't, the left one start damaging 4 seconds later than the right one, left clip missed a few attacks but both end fight at 35s/31s (L/R) so basically their performance are similar, no real benefit from switching set.
Secondly the first part of the video only showed the coordinated damage but you know Yinlin damage distribution is relatively even between skill, burst and coordinated attacks. The new set buff coordinated attack but you get lower damage from skill and burst, so everything just even-out.
If you already have a good thunder set, farming new nightmare Tempest will give you a good boost with little resource spend, don't farm a whole new set.
@@sonnguyen-iv7gv Not entirely true. While Yinlins damage distribution for skill is quite good, your forgetting that the coordinated attack set ALSO gives damage to the on-field resonator, making it far stronger as your both doing more dmg (which the moonlit set does not give Yinlin) and ALSO boosting your on-field resonator which the thunder set does not do. Almost like the best of both worlds with this.
@@sonnguyen-iv7gv new set isnt just for buffing or just for personal damage, its a mix of both, user of the set both gets a coordinated attack damage boost so their (mostly) off field damage is increased by a lot while also buffing the on fielder teammate, with hecate and the full set bonus 120% coordinated atk damage bonus isnt something to be overlooked, or at worst its gonna be total of 104% damage bonus with mephis
@@AistraGaming what you said is correct but in the clip, Yinlin was the onfield, she took the buff so her damage can be similar to the thunder set. In quickswap Yinlin XY team, new set can be noticeable better than thunder when you can onfield both of them in the same time. But (again), as i said above, 2 set performance are close, you don't need to change the set if you already have a good thunder set
@@sonnguyen-iv7gv The buff constantly re-applies, so Yinlin + other characters even in quickswap will also benefit.
Just backed in from like, right before the dragon lady, and just to be sure, Havoc MC Rover is still the better choice over Spectro correct?
Havoc main dps
Spectro sub dps support
it took me ages to farm moonlit set for yinlin and just recently finished it.... i feel sick
literally makes me vomit thinking i have to farm
For yinlin, i think its not worth it at alllllllll to farm
For zhezhi, she has a slight edge over yinlin.
If you already farmed a good moonlit, there is no hurry to change. I wouldnt change set
For mortefi though .........
If the character are a support and using moonlight set just slap the usual crit rate + element + element and call it a day. What did you even do? Crit rate+dmg on all 5 echoes?
Even though it’s a pretty big difference for both yinlin and Zhezhi sub dps teams, it’s more of a min max set and isn’t needed to clear any content when you have decent moonlit sets
@@BabaYaga0713 thanks for your input
Is it really that OP tho kekw. I think moonlit to buff main dps will still be better, or i just rather see bigger numbers on the nuke kekw.
Moonlit still better in terms of support for one reason
It has access to Bell-Borne and impermanence heron that gives DMG boost to the next resonator
@@MadeInHeaven6969the new set too you just have to do a crit
@@MadeInHeaven6969 For all quickswap teams the new set is better if you have QA+high CR its not even close how the overall dmg goes up
@@NovaDay101 yep but we are talking about buffing the main DPS
No one is talking about quick swaps
@@NovaDay101 nobody uses these characters in qs teams, all of them are outro bots for hypercarry teams
I had no idea there were selectable chests for hekate, thanks a lot
Is this set good for Yinlin and jinishi team?
My void thunder yinlin has 88/240 crit is it worth switching for empyrean?
Or just go for nightmare void thunder?
Can you do comparison vid of atk% vs elemental% for this set because that’s a lot of damage% that the set gives
So i should use Hecate or Nightmare Tempest Maphis as the 4 cost?
mephis for electros, hecate for others should be better
As a big Yinlin player. Between Empyrean and Void Thunder… *drum roll* Void thunder still wins for me but of course with the new nightmare. With my Carlotta, Yinlin and Shorekeeper team they melt things away.❤❤❤
For yinlin, the empryean set is pretty mid (and not worth to farm for).
These are my takes for it.
1. Yinlin coord atk uptime takes a while (even worse when ur fighting multiwave and u are forced to spend time on YL instead of ur dps just to keep coord atk uptime)
2. 20% atk is not THAT big of a dmg increase (about ~8% dmg inc on every dps assuming u have full uptime + ur atk is not super diluted from other sources of atk)
3. The dmg increase from hecate + empryean set is actually not that much.
Empryean (180%)
- 60% 3C mainstat
- 40% hecate
- 80% empryean 5p
Void thunder (124%)
- 60% 3c main
- 12% electro + 12% reso skill nightmare tempest
- 40% void thunder
Assuming ur subs are exactly the same, ur coord atks will just do 45% more dmg on empryean but ur other sources of dmg will literally be halved.
So overall dmg you will see Void >Empryean
The only time where Empryean > Void is when ur yinlin is not invested and ur dps is already invested.
At literally no investment, u would be better off using yuanwu who has 100% uptime purely for the 20% atk buff empryean provides
I think you should farm the other tacet field first because even if u don’t have Carlotta the new spectro set makes spectro rover just as good/better than havoc.
Sorry if I missed this from the video, but is Hecate always better than Tempest Mephis for Yinlin? Idk what % of Yinlin's damage is coordinated attacks.
she not really make use of tempest/thunder mephis tbh so its better to change to hecate to buff more coordinate atk instead
How do you have 1015 wave plates?!
Sounds good.. idk about yall but I'm have the worst luck getting g echos for the new ice queen.. so far only got 2 ok echos... farmed the 4 cost 80x got 3 crit rate pieces and went to junk.. fml...such a pain can't even use my ice queen...
Is this a set better than Moonlit for Zhezhi er?
Well, this set is definitely strong in TOA where boss and mobs don't die instantly, but I wouldn't recommend using this for exploration.
To make use of Empyrean Anthem set, you also need to highly invest in that character for the DMG.
In the meantime, moonlit can still be your holder and doesn't sacrifice your burst DMG in exploration
Yeah for multiple wave content or things where mobs die fast Zhezhi is the better co-ordinated attacker for the set since she doesn't rely on marks to apply her co-ordinated attack and instead its just a field.
I disagree, it really doesn’t matter what you use for exploration. If you use your yinlin/Zhezhi as your main dps for exploration then maybe BUT if you’re using your yinlin as main dps void thunder is still 3% more damage overall than empyrean anthem regardless of higher coord dmg so there’s no need for new set.
If you use your yinlin/Zhezhi as sub dps with moonlit, the empyrean is an upgrade to that set anywhere in the game, because those characters will pretty much only be fully used in exploration when you’re fighting an enemy tanky enough to need your sub dps’s full rotation activating the set buff anyways. You don’t rely on their dps but their utility for your main dps. If you’re exploring and you have new set on but don’t activate the atk buff from coord atks, you’re losing 22% atk buff and 12% dmg buff, which seems big on paper,
but in exploration if your teams built well and you try to do your full team rotation most enemies will be dead by the time you get to your main dps anyways
So like you said overworld mobs will die instantly, so it does not matter what set you have on your sub dps
@@BabaYaga0713 well, I understand what you said, but I said you need to highly invest in that character for the DMG.
Because you will notice the low DMG burst in short time when farming. So either your DPS can easily kill everything without Yinlin/Zhezhi (no need for proper rotation), or you go through the normal rotation but now your sub DPS deals weaker DMG while they are on field.
I also said Moonlit is your holder, until you can actually build a good Empyrean Set.
Just like XY does better with Lingering tunes and Mech Abom aoe & ramping up atk buff for hypercarry - versus Lightning set bossing
@@MattRoadhouse Electro set is better, Xiangli Yaos rotation is front loaded with damage when you switch into him so your damage goes fully online faster with Electro set where you are missing a chunk of the damage of lingering tunes when you are doing your big hits.
This was the case before and now double as so with the new Nightmare Mephis.
Once I’m done building Carlotta, I’ll build Yinlin next.
I think in future set comparison videos it would be better to not level the echoes first so you can use them in a more controlled environment.
Is this good ofr zhezhi?
Best content right here to know about wuthering wave thanks for all the info about the game compare to people making stupid videos
is it ok to use a 3 cost with ATK% main stat rather than electro bonus?
i dont have electro one yet
yeah you can do elemental bonus + atk on the 3 cost as a placeholder the damage difference is less than 10% iirc
It might actually be the optimal way because Hecate and the set bonus already give you morbilion damage%, and this way you can share the same one set across all chars that want it
It is about 2-5% better than using double electro dmg.
Is it good on mortefi?
Obviously bro with jiyan
mortefi yinlin zheshin all got upgraded
That was actually helpful
Hecate is acquirable while scar monster form isnt😢
One thing for reference before you use Empyrian Anthem, if you want the character to be sub-dps, you need to have a high crit rate (above 80%) to make sure the 20% dmg buff to always active. If your crit rate is low better stay with Moonlit.
So that means 44111 should be the way, unless you got double crit (high roll on the c.rate) then 43311 hmmm
yes but no, 60%+ should be enough
No yinlin no zhezhi 😭im trying for zhezhi but i don't think she'll come considering my overpowered luck
The comparison wasn't that great. You needed to test a full rotation with Yinlin using ult and forte at least, cuz those are no longer buffed with the new set.
Can this set be used for Yuan Wu?
Yes
@RenoKyrie how useful is it actually for him?
@@sutishati9503It lets him be a Support character since hes the 2nd most constant Coordinated attack character next to Mortefi, and faster attack rate = more chance to crit = triggering Empyrean anthem 2nd effect
Also the fact its a Resonance Skill and not Liberation, Forte, or build up related skill AND it triggers on any attack makes him stupidly generic
The damage boost for his own kit is also really good
Need to rebuild many of my characters again im gonna grind echo xp
Sadly lost my 50 50 to verina 😿
this showcase is a bit misleading. Sure you are gonna do more dmg on your yinlin/zhezhi but they are honestly only a small part of your dmg if you are using a strong main dps like yao/jinhsi/carlotta, usually around 30% of team dps at most. So you are only buffing 30% of yout team dmg by like 35-40%. Not to mention moonlit is actually better in terms of buffs since Heron is just superior to hecate due to it buffing the next unit, giving more resonance energy and dealing similar dmg. So you are trading a bit of dmg on your main dps for a decent amount of dmg on your coordinated attacker who will do siginificantly less dmg overall so in the end you are looking at maybe a 5-10% teamdps increase overall. I would say this set is last priority for most poeple not worth the insane stamina and time sink required for now.
TLDR: Only farm this after you are done building your maindps if you already have a good moonlit set which is similar and more universal across characters (not limited to just coordinated atks).
their damage is actually way less than 30%, its closer to 10-15%, overall the team damage gain over moonlit is like 1% assuming equal invest on all units (which is a wrong assumption most of the time anyways, since the average dps is gonna be at a higher invest than the average subdps)
Slap a Youhu in there and the Coordinated attacks will deal twice the dmg. Thats what im using in my f2p acc budget and Yinlin is now lowkey the main DPS 💀
I've been trying to farm this for my Yuanwu 😭😭 im glad he now has a dedicated set
This entire patch, i'll dedicate my time to farm for Yuanwu and Mort..
First yuanmu main?!
nah his real set is rejuvinating glow fr
must farm op set, while in reality this set is a 1% team damage increase over moonlit because no heron lmao
It will take a while, but its an upgrade to my yinlin and zhezhi
Nightmare tempest mephis has to be the worst boss ever. It can drop on both empyrian and void thunder set and has no guaranteed drop rate. I farmed it like 30+ times and havent gotten a main stat crit rate echo on any of them. In total 3x crit damage as main stat and the rest are just useless healing bonus and defense ones. I am so done with farming it.
i guess i could now return my Jianxin's set from Yinlin so i can farm this new Sonata
Echo exp, tuning material, tuning's rng: 🤫
I merge batched every new echo to get frosty resolve 😭
well i just got mortefi s5 so ima farm this set for him
im strugling with tunners man
don't think it worth farming it.. Unless you where using the moonlight cloud on Yinlin.. All the dmg you loose from skill/autoattack/R.Awekening. Don't make up from just the coordinate attacks.
Day 5 of sub stat rerolling, 0 crit rate crit dmg in one echoe
F I forgot to loot a weakly boss yesterday xd
Can yuanwu use this set on a jinsi team?
Echo development is made me wanna die 💀 so tired, man
Moonlit buff is better though
Tbh I still question about how useful that this set actually is...
This video only shows the damage from the singular character, while for most normal players, we use full team, which usually contains Main DPS, Sub DPS and Healer.
In the case of Sub DPS being a coordinated attacker, their damage are way lower than main DPS.
On surface, Empyrean Anthem set allows more damage for your Sub DPS while still able to provide buff for your main. Making your Sub DPS deals higher damage but with 2.5% less ATK buff on your main is worth it... right?
Well, there are more thing to consider, mainly because of which echo that Empyrean Anthem set has, unlike Moonlit Cloud, Empyrean Anthem does not have any 4 cost echo that buff your main DPS. Using heron as example, your main DPS are going to lose 14.5% ATK on each rotation...
Again, I am just questioning it, not denying it... Since I did not do any math to calculate if it is actually the damage lost for the team.
As far as what I see...
- sub DPS that deal coordinated attacks still fall short by a large amount in damage, which may unable to fill up the damage lost on your main DPS
- team build will be way more expensive, not only you have to build your sub DPS seriously, this is also the new set as well
All in all, if my theory are true, I will advice to refrain to farm this set for now, until kuro release some new 4 cost echo that will buff the incoming/all character just like heron. (or/and they release a new character that is consider as main DPS that is also using coordinated attacks as main damage source)
nope don't farm, it is not worth it. use moonlit