Age of Sigmar FOURTH EDITION! NEW Skaven vs Ossiarch Bonereapers: Warp Lightning and Bone Storms!
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The rules to 4th Edition are very different and it is inevitable that Michael and I make some mistakes, so be kind in the comments. We encourage you to make comments regarding rules though, so that we may fix any errors we have made. Thank you and enjoy our first video for 4th Edition!
Hyped you guys are back with battle reports. Best on YT imho.
Is tricky, especially when coming from a previous edition and assuming rules carry over but this is always solid channel, you’ll get there
CP for repeat the charges is a reaction to the declaration of a charge. Declare includes the dice roll so the CP is consumed after rolling if you fail, not before.
No problem, we appreciate you. The Only AoS battle reports i personally watch. Perfect in length, camera, comprehensibility, without annoying effect or music and just two chill dudes playing a game. Enjoyable to watch.
best regards from germany
Jezzails doesn't get the bonus in your opponent turn, also activating place of power and choosing the tactics should be done at the start of the turn, before the hero phase
Just a heads up, it’s worded oddly, but you don’t have to spend the CP before charging. In 14.3 of the core rules, you see that rolling the dice is actually a part of the declaration step. And then forward to victory is a reaction the declared charge ability. It’s confusing in the way it’s worded, but the key is, the dice roll is a part of the declaration itself. 14.3 is the key. Also great job, love the channel.
Thank you for that clarification we are glad to be corrected on this one cause we did not like declaring before the roll
8:01 just a note, battle tactics are selected at the start of the battle round in the active player’s turn ( aka start of player turn see 2.0 and phase flow chart in 13.0) then you move into active player hero phase if not inactive player abilities in start of battle round phase
Good call, we have adjusted our hero phase to reflect. Happy Wargaming!
a note on rerolls, because I've seen a few of your index reviews where you got this wrong, you do get to see the result of a charge roll before you reroll it with the command because rolling the dice is a part of declaring a charge ability, not a part of the effect. The same is true for effects that let you reroll spell casts.
Thats fantastic news. Well that mistake is going to be in a couple videos but we are really glad for that clarification!
I think I noticed that an endless spell moved after being casted, they can’t do that the turn they came in.
Yeah we messed up lol. We're filming more reports and making less mistakes. Thanks for the comment! Happy fourth edition!
@@BattleshockWargaming All good. It’s the learning season for sure. Keep posting. We need more AoS content!
They're back!
Btw I'm fairly sure manifestations can be targeted by covering fire, from 7.0 in the advanced core rules: "They can be picked as targets of enemy abilities as if they were units. They are not affected by enemy abilities that do not involve picking targets". Covering fire is an ability and you pick a target. The paragraph that says when they're not a a unit is for the purpose of them not being able to shut down movement and charges of units that are in combat range with them, e.g. you can freely move away from an endless spell (as with the errata, they're only treated as a unit, for the purpose of movement, in the combat phase).
Also, Rally is improved by musicians, while standard bearers increase control score (Mortek Guard only has Standard Bearers and a Champion to my knowledge? 🙂)
There's an explicit FAQ that states that Covering Fire cannot shoot at manifestations
@@ciaosonoAlbertoG Right found it, thanks!
Manifestations are very cool, but the rules could be more clear lol. The faq does clear up the covering fire issue, which is a good clarification. Imagine Lord Kroak or Nagash dropping 4 on the board and forcing you to target them rather than units lol. We also though they could move after being set up onitially, which is wrong and also included in the first faq. We will continue to clean up rules interactions and make our content as accurate as possible as the NEW edition unfolds. Thank you for being a member! Looking forward to showing off all of our other armies :)
Covering fire does not pick a target to shoot. It just shoots nearest enemy unit
The Jezzails don't hit on 3s vs Katakros, they're minus 1 to hit thanks to Guarded hero (Core rules 25.0) and also cannot be targeted because of it. With a warplock engineer you can ignore the targeting part but are still minus 1 to hit.
We realized he has infantry keyword, which is awesome. We will get this right on the next go around. Thank you very much for subscribing to our channel. See you in the next one!
That movement cam is actually really nice! I can see it adding some time to the recording but overall so worth it. It really keeps you engaged in what's happening without missing anything.
Appreciate that! It takes more time in post to edit, but we think it adds further engagement in our videos. Variety and additional information for the viewer is important to us, we want these videos to be as good as possible for you guys. Thanks for watching our very first 4th edition video!
Not sure if t\his was called out, but the Gnahole comes out at the start of the battle round not the hero phase. It happens at the same time as priority roll, or picking who goes first.
Did you forget to roll for the endless spell that could come back on a 4+? Didn't hear it mentioned, but might have missed it 🙂
Absolutely awesome to have you make 4th batreps now. Stopped watching 3rd edition content many moons ago 😅
Oh, and the format/style in this video is crazy awesome! Lenght about 1h, but plenty of personality while still showing great overviews so it's easy to follow the game 💪
Good luck learning the rules together with everyone else, it's a dousy!
Thank you for watching :) We thought the new edition would be a great time to update our format, we are happy that you enjoyed it :) We have a bunch of stuff on the way and hope to see you in the comments. We have a very active Discord if you want to join the community! The link to our Discord can be found in the description box of our videos. Happy Wargaming!
So ready for this! I've played a couple games of 4th already and it is a blast.
4th is going to be so much fun we are really excited about it
Amazing to have you guys back.
First off! The overhead cam is such a nice addition. Great work!
Some house cleaning. The Gnawholes come out at the start of the battle round.
Battle tactic gets picked start of turn Then hero phase.
You guys are playing the matched play border war but really that shouldn't be technically played with the GHB rules. The GHB Border War is different. Not a big deal, but I was super confused why the scoring was all messed up.
Thanks for the great comment! This will probably be the only non-GHB battle you will see lol. We filmed this before we received our copy of Skaventide, so there are some mistakes for sure :) We are updating our content to be as accurate as possible as we move along with filming future content. Excited to share it with you and thank you very much for continuing to watch our content. Cheers!
Wired ! 6 dead rats for the manifastasion ? Bit 6 always saves ! Atles in the old core book !
jezzails dont get the +1 to hit with covering fire, cuz that ability only works in your own shooting phase
Jezzails are also the honor guard and if they were shooting a priority target the should also get another plus 1 to hit and wound. hopefully this is what michael was doing
Don't jezzails ignore the guarded keyword?
@@mitchatkisson5491 only with an engineer, which wasn't in this list :)
Very excited for this!
THank you for stopping by. We really appreciate your comment and support!
Only got around to watching this now, really love your setup and flow of the game. Hope to see a lot more AoS 4 from you guys :-)
Glad you enjoy it, we are happy with the new format and hope that the viewers enjoy it! Thanks so much for watching our channel, we have tons of new stuff on the way!
Amazing game guys, that was a tight score. If that wentvto 5 inthonk skaven takes it but i like some maps are 4 rounds.
Loving the top down camera. At the same time i dont like top down full matches unless the people aren't playing and they are commentating. Also you probably know by now by the faction endless spells arent great but the other lores are. Abit op imo. 4th looks excellent butni dont loke the endless spell balance atm. Also guys got abit unlucky on magical intevention. However every match i watch counter charge always fails lol.
Anyways thats enough outta me! You guys are my favourite battlr report channel. Amazing stuff guys and wish you all the success 🙌
He had me, matched play and I would have been "DEAD" to rights lol. Thanks for watching. We have filmed some amazing stuff for you guys :)
@BattleshockWargaming Cant wait! Switched over to my hobby tube account.
Thanks guys!
Hey quick rules correction: The Predator can be targeted by overwatch, because 7.0 Advanced rules for Manifestations: Manifestations can be the target of abilitys who are in need of a target. Range attacks and also overwatch are abilitys who are in need of a target. Cheers 😊
There is now a FAQ that specifically calls out that you cant shoot manifestations with covering fire.
I saw some people mentioning you can't use AoD against covering fire. But you can, so you did it correctly.
It has nothing to do with being "picked". It only has to be "targeted" by an attack, and covering fire does target the unit. The Keyword is "Attack".
Keep up the work, we are all learning!
Agreed! That is going to be our interpretation moving forward unless later clarified. Thanks for being a member!
RAW, you can't as technically covering fire doesn't target until the effect part of the ability, but it's pretty obviously something that's either an oversight or a bad ruling.
@@dawn4383 it's obvious if you decide not to read keywords like you seem to do :)
There are plenty of reactions that are not tied to declare too. But you will see how wrong you are when faq comes out, so no worries. Hope you have a good Sunday!
What a battle!!!
it was a squeaker!
Great Battle report as always, Glad to see you guys not only keep the quility, but actuallz increase it with that overhead camer. Great addition!
Thanks for the amazing work!! Can't wait to see more match ups for this exciting new edition :)
The next one premieres on Thursday! Ironjaws (30 Brutes) vs our freshly painted Idoneth Deepkin army. The member report is Fyreslayers vs Slaves to Darkness :)
Awesome game Battleshock. So excited for 4th edition, thank you for everything. Oh, I also think the top down camera is an awesome addition
Thanks for the compliment. These will be even more polished as we get used to our new equipment :) thank you so much for watching our channel!
Not sure if I mnissed something, but why did the Verminlords and clanrats all go first in the bottom of turn 1? By rule it should alternate, no?
Happy that you arrived in 4th, looking forward to more BR soon. Thx and well appreciated.
Thank you! Some great match ups on the way :)
Spoilershielding in the 4th Edition
A whole new edition of shielding to do!
And less Rend this edition so extra effective shielding! ✌️ 🛡️
not sure if you mentioned it, but katakros can be protected from shooting by friendly units with the guared hero ability, since he is infantry.
That's awesome! Will def use this next time :)
The top down view for movement is awesome. Nice addition.
Thank you very much! We wanted to add an extra layer to our videos :)
4th edition hype!!!! 🙏🏻💙
LETS GO!!!! See you in the next one!
Not sure that the endless spells are allowed to move in the turn they are set up (24.0)
You are correct :)
Love the content guys. Thanks for helping us learn the new addition. Excited to play my seraphon whether they are strong or not.
Thanks for watching! We have a Seraphon Report on the way soon!
It is time for 4th! let the rats run!
yes yes!
Nice game guys. Hope to see many aos4 games. Love the overhead camera!
Thanks for the comment! Tons of good stuff on the way. We want to make fourth edition awesome for you guys!
OBR Battletactic in 1st Turn was not achievable with that terrain feature, as it also needs to be wholly outside of friendly territory :) Good show!
Unfortunately, yes lol. We have filmed 5 battle reports so far, each with increasingly less mistakes! Hope to see you in the comments during future videos :)
Fun battle. Well done!
Thank you! We had a blast playing our first game of fourth edition for yall :) The next one is Ironjaws vs Idoneth Deepkin and it is a banger!
Just a small heads up, that Skaven list is three regiments not two. It's impossible to have a verminlord as anything but a regiment hero, thanquol as well.
This is correct :) You may have noticed that I recorded Michael's army intro post because the file was corrupted. I made the mistake of calling it 2 regiments. Thanks for the comment and look forward to seeing you in the comments in our future videos :)
I think its immposible to get this list into 2 regiments. Soulmason can't go into Arkhan or Katakros one (nor eather do into eachothers).
You are correct :) We are still learning!
i saw was Dave roll "3" 3 times in a row. That takes skill.
Dave is a man of many talents. you should see him roll wards lol
I noticed neither of you appeared to be using the new app. You should do a critique video of the new Sigmar App. I think its pretty bad with all of the drop down boxes. Imagine trying to use that under the time crunch of a tournament. Blah.
Great video.
When we filmed this, the app wasn't out yet lol. That being said, it not..... very good haha
you guys excited for Boise Cup? sadly I had to drop due to surgery, but always next year
We are excited. I recall you talking about maybe not being able to attend because of the surgery. We the surgery goes well and you have a speedy recovery.
recovery is going great. Pretty quick too
That was a great game. I'm pumped to see some more 4th edition content. Thanks!
Thanks for the comment, and big love for subscribing to our channel. See you in the next one!
try 18 jezzails, with an arch warlock and engineer, it rips.
That sounds terrifying LOL
Love it keep up the great work
Thank you for watching and subscribing! We appreciate you :)
Arkhan can 4+ deny as many spells targeted at him as he wants.
its as many times but once per spell. so if you start zapping him with the same spell over and over he only gets one deny
GG! I like skavens ;)
skaven is great yes yes
Sweet
Thanks for watching! Ironjaws vs Idoneth Deepkin drops Thursday night! AAAANNDD our first member report for fourth edition is Fyreslayers vs Slaves to Darkness, drops on Friday or Saturday :)
BONE STORRRRRMMMMM
BONESTORM!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May i ask where do you get the terain?
That is a games workshop box set. We bought 2 of them :)
Musician gives +1 to rally banner is +1 to control score mortek unfortunately do not have musicians
Damn, I only would have rallied 6 lol. Thanks for the clarification.
I see Bone Daddies, I hit the like button and comment
They are very fun in the new edition. OBR will be back soon!
@@BattleshockWargaming I've been having fun with just about every army I play so far this edition except DoT (Mainly cause the army is soooo different). Can't wait to see everything else you put out!
You can't AoD covering fire as it doesn't target in the declare step
Yes you can use AoD against covering fire. You have to read into keywords.
@@kalleejnar No. All-out Defense is a reaction used by a unit that was picked as the target of an ability, and Covering Fire does not pick any targets as part of declaring the ability (see section 5.2).
@@salsathe4th .... read the ability?
AoD: "Used by: A unit targeted by that *Attack* ability". * being bold(aka keyword)
Covering Fire: "Target the nearest visible enemy unit...."
Then you have to look at "Covering Fire" keyword, as it says it *Attack* as a keyword...
I don't know how else to explain it. But you are wrong :)
@@kalleejnar Dude stop trying to die on a hill when you are incorrect RAW. Read covering fire declare step again. Does it target? No? Then AoD does not work as it required your unit to be the target in the declare step.
Regular shooting attacks target in the declare step. Covering fire DOES NOT.
Covering fire only targets on resolution of the effect which is already after your ability to AoD.
@@salsathe4th it has nothing to do with that. It's being picked by an attack because covering fire has "attack" keyword.. this entire edition is all about keyword. You are reading way to much into the details here.
But you will see when the FAQ arrives that you are wrong, gl in your future game!
How do we play obr this edition :(
oh we have a new report coming out with OBR. We might have the answer coming your way
@@BattleshockWargaming I'm hoping for some inspiration 🙏
The reactive play makes the game feel more dynamic, I suspect when I start playing 4th ed I will be burning through CP reacting to my opponent.
The amount of CP you can use is soooo limited to all of the things you can do. Michael and I both were frequently out of command points but using them at the right time can be very impactful. Thanks for being a member. We appreciate you!
No 5th battleround ? Only spearhead stop after 4 battleround ^^
Matched play in the core book is 4 rounds :) We played this game the day before we got our Skaventide Box
New sub here.
Thanks alot! We appreciate the hell out of you bro! Hope to see you in the comments. Hit the link to our Discord and come hang out :) 400 age of sigmar player in there.
hello can someone help me understand what purple he used for the bonereapers
It is black with genestealer purple and wraithbone drybrush :) super easy
10:50
The unit getting shot at with covering fire can't use AOD, because AOD is a reaction used by a unit that being picked as a target of an ability in its declare step, while Covering Fire does not pick any enemy unit as its target.
In that case AoD can’t be used at all because the fight ability doesn’t target either. (I think)
@@woofergranade2044 It does
Yes you can use AoD against covering fire. It has nothing to do with being "picked". It only has to be "targeted" by an attack, and covering fire does target the unit. You are correct it doesn't pick it though, which is why covering fire doesn't work on manifestations.
AoD: "Used by: A unit targeted by that Attack ability". * being bold(aka keyword)
Covering Fire: "Target the nearest visible enemy unit...."
Then you have to look at "Covering Fire" keyword, as it says it Attack as a keyword...
@@kalleejnar Covering fire is not picking any enemy unit as it's target though. It is forcing the unit using it to resolve shooting attacks against the closest visible enemy unit. It's a different thing, because the enemy unit is not picked as a target of the ATTACK ability
@@ciaosonoAlbertoG AoD has nothing to do with being picked.
It's all about the keywords my friend.
We will have to wait for FAQ to see who is correct :)
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You only played 4 rounds?
Matched play in the core book is 4 rounds :) We played this game the day before we got our Skaventide Box
Why did they have to make the clanrats much worse and still higher theire points😑
They do no damage, but are pretty hard to shift with battleshock phase removed. I needed more damage to lift up those screens, and that helped Michael late game. thanks for taking the time to comment! See you in the next video :)
New edition and you were both trying so hard to remember rules and the dice kept saying here is a 1 so you get nothing for remembering.
Love rolling 1s, like our favorite part of the game lol. Thanks for watching, we will clarify mistakes and correct as we go along. Cheers!
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Thanks for watching. You are the master of subtle emojis lol.
Reading these comments at the syart of the video. I think ill skip this, way too many mistakes, like thats all the comments are.
Rather not learn incorrectly.
We filmed this before skaventide box or any practice games. Mistakes will happen :)