@@ace.ethan7 he meant if zander joins then , ( Zander and Jordan played together for a while on V1 or something , then JohnQT was from M80 too... so he meant that and not to mention Kaplan from Ghost days )
@@ace.ethan7 nah he has a valid point they scrim with them the most they have alot of connections even SYKKO is at m80 now like kaplan is coach for sentinels like ghost everything makes sense shutup
Depends on what the org is gonna do, sadly for sports and competition in general, they wont remember the losers, only the winners take it all. And considering its a expensive venture that only comes to fruition if they win the tournament for ascension... yeah, hard to determine now if the org is gonna survive. Gotta wait for the partner program (academy teams) and maybe some teams might develop relationships with existing t2 teams instead of forming their own
I don't think M80 are going to compete in challengers for the next season, which is gonna be detrimental for the NA Tier 2 scene. They have been one of the few top orgs really investing in the Tier 2 scene. I think now, a lot of orgs are just gonna wait till a team wins ascension and then drop the bag on them to rake in that VCT money. Its a joke really.
You cant exaclty do that, maybe poach a roster right before ascension but definitely cant do sk for the winners unless they happen to be orgless and your org has the greatest bags to give
@@343JustMe yeah I meant most orgs won't sign teams, which would mean a good few teams are gonna be F/A like Turtle Troops, can see a good few teams like that next season, where depending on their performance an org such as DZ, Faze or Flyquest pick them up mid season or they wait till they make it to VCT
@@superearth5256 I don't think pointing at Furia or MIBR is fair. Those orgs don't have the talent pool that the NA teams do. Sure they can try building international rosters, but from the past it doesn't work. If 2G hadn't won ascension maybe one of Furia or MIBR could have signed them.
@@confused587 bro just dissing south america and mexico like lmao i understand what you're saying but most of the orgs aren't investing time in scouting or anything they have money from riot to find and pay these players ofc there's talent they are just not finding it.
The entirety of T2 is kinda rough right now, these teams are investing alot for so little gain. It has to be damaging to the esports scene with these orgs losing money like that, many of them are just gonna drop investments and abandon the idea. There needs to be more tournries with some type of money incentive even if its just a little. Riot can't be short on money at all making millions up on millions for bundles. Even T1, there should be more tournaments happening. Whether it be friendly match ups, hosted cups, or bouts. Something more.
EMEA :- Apex to the final and won CHINA :- Rare atom to the final and lost again AMERICAS :- M80 to the final and lost again PACIFIC:- Scarz didn't even make it to ascension
Also AK choked against them. They were destroying them 2-0 in maps easily. Ak was probably the best team but they choked like 7 maps throughout the tournament.
@@sebaba001 AK did choke but tbf when you’re choking a whole 7 maps then you clearly are not ‘the best team’ even if you’ve shown really high performances
@magmoz565 Yeah they didn't deserve to win, cause they didn't, simple as. But clearly if they just managed to close out 1 or 2 more rounds the whole tournament would've been different... they gotta work on the mental and keep the same squad if they can but i think they will be mostly poached.
@@sebaba001 ye, was really impressed with a lot of their players individually tho, it’s a good sign for the LATAM talent. It sucks that saadhak wont end up on KRU but the LATAM teams should be good next year anyway. I think it would’ve been nice if we had gotten another LATAM team rather than a BR team just because we already have 3 Brazilian teams and Lev aren’t even using all LATAM players but it is what it is
I don't think M80 runs it back.. IT costs a lot of money to keep these teams running. And after losing like that twice now. It might just be that they disband the org from Valorant. Which a lot of teams are doing because of the shit way its setup. But M80 is a insane team. Was rooting for them since Ghost. A lot of Tier 1 teams always scrim them as well. The only way I see M80 maybe trying it again is if they rebuild around some players.. Not sure which ones will get poached from a team.. But its likely a few of them will..
A little of a correction, you said in the video that 2g "lost 2 games and win 3 games" ; They actually just won 2 games (against Reta ; which was the first map of the entire tournament to be played and they dismantled Reta 13-2. And TSM ; that everybody but Galorys win against, sad fact) The fact that they were on a 2-3 Score meant that the last game that was played ON GROUP STAGE - AK vs TSM was important for 2g to qualify to playoffs. Had TSM won the game (which they came close to as they pushed the last map of the series to OT) they should have qualified as 4th seed. Regardless, 2g win against M80 is not a fluke, considering they had to beat them twice, first convincing 2-0, and then on grand finals 3-2. IF m80 came from the upper bracket then im sure m80 would have won the entire tournament as they have a deeper map pool considering the rest of the teams in contention, sadly, because they came from lowers, the map veto really played against themselves (they couldnt ban their perma - Bind, the same map 2g started the tournament winning and ended it taking the W, poetically you could say) Dunno if this result its gonna be healthy for the NA Scene (as a region) considering BR hasnt done shit in ages (except Loud) there is talent that its gonna be scattered through 4 different teams (considering the identity of Loud - Mibr - Furia - and now 2g). All depends on what m80 and what the rest of ascension is gonna do (if they disband or split the core, then some talent could go to other Na t1 teams)
If anything this year showed how solid the m80 players are considering they had a bad start to the season and had to make a roster change and switch IGLs. Reaching top 2 is massive.
M80 on Bind was horrible, thats the worst team I've ever seen on Bind. You can tell they don't practice on that map much because they had no strats or anything for that map.
Firepower wise bang would be a better pickup then zander if you want a like for like with tenz. Plus they’ll have an actual viper player now and zellsis can flex more
I will say sin prisa is a fun team to watch, any 1 of the 5 guys can just flip a switch and frage like crazy, persia margaret dambi all deserve to be in t1
How about the team that gets places 2nd in Ascension, just gets a free slot in Ascension for Next Year? How does that sound? It would prevent these great orgs from dismantling and leaving the scene. The way Riot has handled the Tier 2 scene, there is absolutely no incentive to even stay, cause more than likely you are going to bleed money like crazy with no result whatsoever
they'll do that for next year's ascension. if both teams from ascension in franchise league didn't get any result and got 8th-12th placement, both ascended teams from franchise will fall back to ascension, meaning 2 grand finalist on that year's ascension will ascend to franchise. but if those ascended teams want to stay for another year, they'll have to try for champs or get top 4 in their respective league(riot don't count masters for ascended teams to stay in the league) or placed 5th-8th in the league. But, they'll have to fight the ascension winners team(if both ascended teams place 5th-8th, both grand finalist in that year's ascension will fight both ascended teams).
@@carljojohnson they do not fall back immediately. They play against the ascension teams. It would be dumb to not even have the chance to defend your spot.
Yeah congrats to the 4 2G players but this just kills the NA t2 scene the Brazilian orgs already grab the best t2 players from sa needed another na org to help valorant grow, hopefully mibr gets kicked and g2 brought in
Worst take i've ever seen 💀, u guys get way more investment than LATAM and u guys can practice with tier 1 teams but still manage to lose. Ur just malding atp, if u guys cant even win against a team that just got past group stage because ak won u guys should just quit valorant scene
man heartbreak legit felt so bad wakin gup to this result and the same for rare atom man if C9 are losing oxy some team at that point just blow up the roster and pick up the entire m80 roster would look much better still so sad for the org and players alike
I feel like SEN koalanoob would make more sense than Zander Edit: for people wondering why, it's because koalanoob has played kayo, omen and yoru All which are good replacement agents for tenz
Riot is a fucking joke, watching all these acsension games, most notably in both the BO5's, as soon as M80 would build momentum there would be a tech pause always, not to mention the crowd placement was horrific, i hope M80 drops out and lets this T2 scene go to scrambles, then scoop up who ever wins. I think the whole system is dumb anyways, like why have T1/T2, look at CS they make all teams qual and there scene has so many more teams and more games because of it. With riots idea now that some cinderalla 2game team fluks out 3 match wins they are in tier 1, they will be so trash mark my words, atleast MIBR will have some comepetition for the bottom now, its a joke
Zander is not joining Sen . Valyn and rob Moore has confirmed sen has already got their roster during Zander is in ascension with their two players and they will announce it soon. it’s literally impossible for sen Zander to be happening rn
@@ace.ethan7 he said more to come, not full roster. could just mean they have signed one player and are still trialling. That tweet could also just mean they will have a team by 7th october, not that they have one right now
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M80 is SENs academy team at this point xD
@@Kai_-ys9jj nope
@@ace.ethan7 ?
@@ace.ethan7yep
@@ace.ethan7 he meant if zander joins then , ( Zander and Jordan played together for a while on V1 or something , then JohnQT was from M80 too... so he meant that and not to mention Kaplan from Ghost days )
@@ace.ethan7 nah he has a valid point they scrim with them the most they have alot of connections even SYKKO is at m80 now like kaplan is coach for sentinels like ghost everything makes sense shutup
Losing twice in grand finals of ascension is probably a death sentence for m80 as a org too, wonder if they will continue in ascension.
remember RA 13-0'ed and still lost ascension... twice. M80 is just paper rex wannabe
Chalk the whole org, it's cursed at this point😭
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@@oah1943 How are they a "PRX" wannabe? They've been doing this since Ghost Days..🤦🏼♂️
Depends on what the org is gonna do, sadly for sports and competition in general, they wont remember the losers, only the winners take it all. And considering its a expensive venture that only comes to fruition if they win the tournament for ascension... yeah, hard to determine now if the org is gonna survive. Gotta wait for the partner program (academy teams) and maybe some teams might develop relationships with existing t2 teams instead of forming their own
I don't think M80 are going to compete in challengers for the next season, which is gonna be detrimental for the NA Tier 2 scene. They have been one of the few top orgs really investing in the Tier 2 scene. I think now, a lot of orgs are just gonna wait till a team wins ascension and then drop the bag on them to rake in that VCT money. Its a joke really.
These good teams are fighting for tier1 and mibr and furia still exist in tier1🤦🏻♂️
You cant exaclty do that, maybe poach a roster right before ascension but definitely cant do sk for the winners unless they happen to be orgless and your org has the greatest bags to give
@@343JustMe yeah I meant most orgs won't sign teams, which would mean a good few teams are gonna be F/A like Turtle Troops, can see a good few teams like that next season, where depending on their performance an org such as DZ, Faze or Flyquest pick them up mid season or they wait till they make it to VCT
@@superearth5256 I don't think pointing at Furia or MIBR is fair. Those orgs don't have the talent pool that the NA teams do. Sure they can try building international rosters, but from the past it doesn't work. If 2G hadn't won ascension maybe one of Furia or MIBR could have signed them.
@@confused587 bro just dissing south america and mexico like lmao i understand what you're saying but most of the orgs aren't investing time in scouting or anything they have money from riot to find and pay these players ofc there's talent they are just not finding it.
Feels bad for riot after the m80 loss, they're an org which would thrive within the partnership system with content and likable players
Yea... This is totally a sad sad day for... RIOT... Mhm, truly a tragedy, imagine the millions they couldve made with M80 😮💨
@@343JustMebro lives and breathes in the valorant comment section
Omg poor multi million company 😢
It's their fault anyways lmao. Orgs are already struggling and this stupid ascension is just killing these teams faster.
Nooo the million dollar company which is exploiting lesser organizations is gonna lose money 😢😢😢 how will Leo Faria survive this 😢😢😢
Everyone is talking about Fracture but no one is talking about Replication
Replication boring af
@@aDreamingGirl it was fun af
@@aDreamingGirlnah you new player won't understand that feeling
@@itsCynos how am i new of i know how replication was? Lol
@@aDreamingGirl nah it was actually pretty fun
The entirety of T2 is kinda rough right now, these teams are investing alot for so little gain. It has to be damaging to the esports scene with these orgs losing money like that, many of them are just gonna drop investments and abandon the idea. There needs to be more tournries with some type of money incentive even if its just a little. Riot can't be short on money at all making millions up on millions for bundles. Even T1, there should be more tournaments happening. Whether it be friendly match ups, hosted cups, or bouts. Something more.
if m80 remains next year, Zander has once said he'll never leave his team for a franchise one, but we'll see
what why would he say that ?? The opportunity to go to a T1 team is such a good one
@@belovedxx5283m80 invested a lot into him and he was grateful. But m80 is probably disbanding now so
@@belovedxx5283 he loves his team. plain and simple. I'm assuming if m80 withdraws from T2 he'll sign to a T1 team
he meant mid season
Zander would go nuts on SEN
Too bad he’s isn’t going
Zander played like asscheeks
I don't see Zander going to SEN but he will probably join C9
@@Rapido7cold Why do u think he will join C9 over SEN?
@@atiur_7 SEN is already trialling other players
EMEA :-
Apex to the final and won
CHINA :-
Rare atom to the final and lost again
AMERICAS :-
M80 to the final and lost again
PACIFIC:-
Scarz didn't even make it to ascension
imagine if apeks lost it too....ff sake would be mad like they cosplaying paper rex or what?\
@@olsialla5275 😂
I genuinely feel bad for everyone associated with m80 but at least this is good for the SA scene
still remember that zander ace against sen and thats the scariest look of zander i've seen
G2 vs 2G next year would go hard
WAIT YOU'RE COOKING
Battle for who's the Top G😭
@@crxsby2047 kinda funny as it was andrew tate who got G2 Fucked
@@Kaits1 isnt it because the owner say some stuffs?
@@AhmadSaifudin116 just partied with tate
M80 😢😢😢
As much as it might hurt for m80, they definitely did not deserve to win. If you lose to the same team twice then that’s all it is, they were better
Also AK choked against them. They were destroying them 2-0 in maps easily. Ak was probably the best team but they choked like 7 maps throughout the tournament.
@@sebaba001 AK did choke but tbf when you’re choking a whole 7 maps then you clearly are not ‘the best team’ even if you’ve shown really high performances
@magmoz565 Yeah they didn't deserve to win, cause they didn't, simple as. But clearly if they just managed to close out 1 or 2 more rounds the whole tournament would've been different... they gotta work on the mental and keep the same squad if they can but i think they will be mostly poached.
@@sebaba001 ye, was really impressed with a lot of their players individually tho, it’s a good sign for the LATAM talent. It sucks that saadhak wont end up on KRU but the LATAM teams should be good next year anyway. I think it would’ve been nice if we had gotten another LATAM team rather than a BR team just because we already have 3 Brazilian teams and Lev aren’t even using all LATAM players but it is what it is
Please gave us Zander and Narrate I wont ask much. 🙏
I don't think M80 runs it back.. IT costs a lot of money to keep these teams running. And after losing like that twice now. It might just be that they disband the org from Valorant. Which a lot of teams are doing because of the shit way its setup. But M80 is a insane team. Was rooting for them since Ghost. A lot of Tier 1 teams always scrim them as well. The only way I see M80 maybe trying it again is if they rebuild around some players.. Not sure which ones will get poached from a team.. But its likely a few of them will..
A little of a correction, you said in the video that 2g "lost 2 games and win 3 games" ; They actually just won 2 games (against Reta ; which was the first map of the entire tournament to be played and they dismantled Reta 13-2. And TSM ; that everybody but Galorys win against, sad fact)
The fact that they were on a 2-3 Score meant that the last game that was played ON GROUP STAGE - AK vs TSM was important for 2g to qualify to playoffs. Had TSM won the game (which they came close to as they pushed the last map of the series to OT) they should have qualified as 4th seed.
Regardless, 2g win against M80 is not a fluke, considering they had to beat them twice, first convincing 2-0, and then on grand finals 3-2. IF m80 came from the upper bracket then im sure m80 would have won the entire tournament as they have a deeper map pool considering the rest of the teams in contention, sadly, because they came from lowers, the map veto really played against themselves (they couldnt ban their perma - Bind, the same map 2g started the tournament winning and ended it taking the W, poetically you could say)
Dunno if this result its gonna be healthy for the NA Scene (as a region) considering BR hasnt done shit in ages (except Loud) there is talent that its gonna be scattered through 4 different teams (considering the identity of Loud - Mibr - Furia - and now 2g). All depends on what m80 and what the rest of ascension is gonna do (if they disband or split the core, then some talent could go to other Na t1 teams)
he's talking about 2game losing 2 games and win 3 games because they won 3-2 against m80. it's not that deep
I think he got confused but yeah, m80 git gud
He talking about finals, they lost 2 Maps
i kinda got lost when you mixed NA scene with br
If anything this year showed how solid the m80 players are considering they had a bad start to the season and had to make a roster change and switch IGLs. Reaching top 2 is massive.
M80 on Bind was horrible, thats the worst team I've ever seen on Bind. You can tell they don't practice on that map much because they had no strats or anything for that map.
m80 losing again to someone that have a 2 and letter G is mad. hopefully next ascension they get a final match again with a team with GG lmao
Firepower wise bang would be a better pickup then zander if you want a like for like with tenz. Plus they’ll have an actual viper player now and zellsis can flex more
My king tenz said zellsis is the head coach 😎
Not really . Zander can frag just as well as bang
will replication come back to map pool
wtf😭
Zekken
Zellsis
Johnqt
Zander
N4RRATE
im calling it this is the sen roster
m80 🤝rare atom
This whole VCT academy ascension bs is what's gonna kill the competitive scene man. It's already an unprofitable business for orgs.
I will say sin prisa is a fun team to watch, any 1 of the 5 guys can just flip a switch and frage like crazy, persia margaret dambi all deserve to be in t1
Zander and narrate to sen would be insane 😬😬😬
How about the team that gets places 2nd in Ascension, just gets a free slot in Ascension for Next Year? How does that sound? It would prevent these great orgs from dismantling and leaving the scene. The way Riot has handled the Tier 2 scene, there is absolutely no incentive to even stay, cause more than likely you are going to bleed money like crazy with no result whatsoever
they'll do that for next year's ascension. if both teams from ascension in franchise league didn't get any result and got 8th-12th placement, both ascended teams from franchise will fall back to ascension, meaning 2 grand finalist on that year's ascension will ascend to franchise. but if those ascended teams want to stay for another year, they'll have to try for champs or get top 4 in their respective league(riot don't count masters for ascended teams to stay in the league) or placed 5th-8th in the league. But, they'll have to fight the ascension winners team(if both ascended teams place 5th-8th, both grand finalist in that year's ascension will fight both ascended teams).
@@carljojohnson they do not fall back immediately. They play against the ascension teams. It would be dumb to not even have the chance to defend your spot.
@@kevinportu like I said, they're able to defend their spot IF they got 5th-8th in the league. Below that placement is automatic relegation.
Yeah congrats to the 4 2G players but this just kills the NA t2 scene the Brazilian orgs already grab the best t2 players from sa needed another na org to help valorant grow, hopefully mibr gets kicked and g2 brought in
Worst take i've ever seen 💀, u guys get way more investment than LATAM and u guys can practice with tier 1 teams but still manage to lose. Ur just malding atp, if u guys cant even win against a team that just got past group stage because ak won u guys should just quit valorant scene
still dont understand the same thumbnails lol
Rumors of brazil's downfall have been greatly exaggerated
The tier 2 teams look better than the TEIR 1 teams
man heartbreak legit felt so bad wakin gup to this result and the same for rare atom
man if C9 are losing oxy some team at that point just blow up the roster and pick up the entire m80 roster would look much better still so sad for the org and players alike
We Need 2G Vs G2..!!!
it could've been M80 vs M8 but now we got G2 vs 2G
My biggest issue is 2g and m80 deserve to be t1 teams more than mibr. How is there no relegation for teams who play that terrible.
2:38 how long were you thinking about this line XD
derke isn't wrong, riot devs has been smoking something
Cant wait for g2 vs 2g🙂
bro stop trolling putting marved as the thumbnail i wanna see him play ur breaking my heart :(
damn this loss for m80 hit even harder than last year. ggwp to both and congrats to 2G for making it to vct. cant wait for G2 vs 2G lol
Zander would do well in SEN I think
C9 should sign the whole of m80
What is xander doing in T2? He is way too good.
Zander already played with qt and zellsis
So it would be a good sign
cloud9 should buy most m80 players
BcJ threw almost all of his rounds.
zander zellsis zekken zohnqt z4rrate sounds like a very good zentinels
I don’t want Zander going to sentinels 😭😭
It makes sense that Zekken stay in SEN 😉🤣
Well. At this rate next year M80 will draw 3-3.
Demon1
Yay
Flyuh
Brawk
Oxy
Now that’s a roster
Can you do the thug shake?
M80 just can Beat G2 / 2G they just the same 😂
narrate and jawgemo on senti
The best option . No doubt
bros milking Sen so hard
im a zap fan
Womp womp. 2G cooked m80 tough luck
SEN ZANDER - SEN NISMO OMG
Nismo ? lol hell no .
100T Zander
I feel like SEN koalanoob would make more sense than Zander
Edit: for people wondering why, it's because koalanoob has played kayo, omen and yoru
All which are good replacement agents for tenz
? Add duelist player when you alr have zekken? Zander is a smokes player, sen need a smoke player... Idk what you are smoking
What 😂😂 why they dont need a duelists they need a dedicated smoker
If u don't know, koalanoob plays good omen, he's good on yoru as well
He's a really good replacement for tenz
@@kazuto7803nah wait u r lowkey cooking
@@seishiro11ik 😔, in 2022 when I said johnqt should join sen instead of shroud people called me crazy
Fast forward to 2024, look what we have
Riot is a fucking joke, watching all these acsension games, most notably in both the BO5's, as soon as M80 would build momentum there would be a tech pause always, not to mention the crowd placement was horrific, i hope M80 drops out and lets this T2 scene go to scrambles, then scoop up who ever wins. I think the whole system is dumb anyways, like why have T1/T2, look at CS they make all teams qual and there scene has so many more teams and more games because of it. With riots idea now that some cinderalla 2game team fluks out 3 match wins they are in tier 1, they will be so trash mark my words, atleast MIBR will have some comepetition for the bottom now, its a joke
My guy 2G beat m80 before and then beated on the finals it wasn't a fluke
@@VeigaRosa I’m saying they had a fluke run, zap played like the best player in the world and they will be the next bleed next year
@@YHADaGOATmainall i see is yap and yap, stop crying, the better team won 💀
2023 m80 3-1
2024 m80 3-2
2025 m80 w
2025 m80 disbands
2025 m80 3-3
thank god china is making use of russias talent
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Zander crashies to Sen and that’s a chip
tex 💜💜💜
Zander is not joining Sen . Valyn and rob Moore has confirmed sen has already got their roster during Zander is in ascension with their two players and they will announce it soon. it’s literally impossible for sen Zander to be happening rn
bro yapping
@@MaelMeierit’s not my words though 🤣. Rob Moore literally said they gonna announce it in Oct 7th and he said this during ascension Americas
@@MaelMeier misusing words in 2024
@@ace.ethan7 he said more to come, not full roster. could just mean they have signed one player and are still trialling. That tweet could also just mean they will have a team by 7th october, not that they have one right now
@@rubberducky3137 my point is sen Zander isn’t happening right now maybe there’s a small chance later but right now it seems impossible
Yeah but why are Curry Not going to Sentinals roster he IS the 6th man and He will play Competetiv idk Guys.
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