I hope the abrupt breakup means the other members didn't know and were as shocked as we all are to learn what happened. It's bad enough that one guy was a creep. I really hope the rest of the bands weren't enablers.
I've never seen an established band take such drastic action before, especially pre-emptively. It was the disbanding that prompted the public investigation. Nobody had outright accused them or their singer of anything at this point. Just raises more questions.
As I said, it's reminding me a lot of the Gaza situation, and if we see a new band emerge with a nearly identical lineup minus the accused vocalist… well, we'll certainly know what happened then.
@@ConvincingPeople That exact kind of situation is actually how Black Country, New Road formed: they were originally in a band named Nervous Conditions, but after accusations came out against the singer of that band they broke up and then formed a new band without him. Almost eerie how history can rhyme sometimes (though in BC,NR's case they seemed keen to distance themselves from him basically since the accusations came to light).
I hope the break up is a result of everyone else in the band simultaneously saying “fuck you” and refusing to be part of it. The one would expect statements if that were the case, perhaps they are waiting to put their statement out together or something.
It's also possible that Justin was the one in control of the socials and that's why everything went dark, that's happened several times with other bands before. One would kind of hope that the rest of the band without Justin would reform into something new, but the broken trust might nip that in the bud.
Knowing Anti-Flag and Justin I completely understand their actions and wanting to pay respect to someone who feels like a victim. Until Court proceedings go through. All of those platforms right now are going to be are going to be completely toxic. It is a shame for so many people to jump to conclusions before someone has had their day in court
@@agoo7581 I suppose if you misunderstood the comment (and this appears to he the case) you might find it disturbing. What I mean is that people in bands who seem super cool are just like anyone else. Don’t get rose colored glasses because you’re a fan and they don’t come across as immediate douchebags. The vast majority of the time predators don’t present themselves as predators. You weren’t aware of this?
How many more times are we going to have this happen before we realize that people that make money off of pandering to your beliefs dont actually hold the beliefs? Do people think this is only for televangelists? Never believe the celebrities actually care about what they preach. Far too many of them don't.
So so many sheeple do not know the half of it. I kind of like it when they get a little taste of it like this. But when you go down the rabbit hole you realise just how truly satanic the world is and how they use the cult of celebrity (bands, actors etc.) to push their evil narratives. Anti-Flag sold their soul long ago.
If it’s true, which their actions right before this came out suggest, this is a massive backstab. These guys stood for what I believe in, now to see this come out. I can’t justify even streaming this. I don’t want to believe it, but if or until or whatever the right word is it’s false, I’m not listening to them. If it’s proven true, the biggest backstab possible, this is the band that got me into feminism and gender equality, for the main voice to do something that heinous and vile is honestly shocking
@@LoveMusic-bp4ivtraditionally, it's called feminism because it calls for treating of women with equity and same rights as men. Feminism, because it used to be men dictating and women listening, so the name advocates for women to be acknowledged the same as a man would by who she is not for her gender. It is not meant to be that a woman should be in charge, as that is not feminism. Those "feminists" behaving in that manner are calling for matriarchy under the ruse of feminism. Anyway, that's why feminism ✌🏻
My girlfriend and I are going to that Ice 9/In This Moment tour. Seen In this Moment back in 2018 and thought they were great. This will be my 5th time seeing Avatar
Honestly, what Anti-Flag did here most closely resembles to me what happened with the political metalcore band Gaza some years back, where there were some really harrowing accusations made surrounding the frontman and the group immediately disbanded… only for every member *except* for said frontman to reconvene as Cult Leader not too long after, with said ex-member vanishing from the music scene entirely and the former members preferring not to talk about him. If this situation is anything like that one, well, I don't think that the other members knew, and I suspect that they are, quite justifiably, very, very angry. Which is sad and horrible, but it is what it is, and if this should be the case, I wish them all the luck in the world with their future endeavours.
I feel extremely bad for Jon. The woman who made those accusations later admitted to fabricating them. Gaza will always be one of my favorite bands of all time. Anti-Flag is generic bullshit that I couldn't give a shit less about and there are thousands of bands that sound exactly like them
@@GENXJOPLIN I have not heard a lot of Gaza, just listened to a few songs. But they did kick ass. Easily better then 95% of punk and hardcore that has come out. Anti-flag blow. I liked some of their early stuff as a teenager but the later stuff really sucks. Anti-Flag are barely even better then Good Charlotte or Simple Plan.
@@RichardCranium. I worked pretty hard on covering one of their best songs for a video on my channel if you care to take a peep haha. I got into music out of order. Gaza, the locust and daughters were the kinds of shit I listened to in highschool. I now listen to a shitton of Rancid and buttrock lmao
They say don’t meet your heroes for a reason. Your heroes are human just like you. Those people that get hauled in and cover their faces on the news…yes some of them are your heroes. Go to the show. Have fun. Support good music. Don’t try to have some personal relationship. Speaking of SA…how bad would it be to get assaulted by stapp on that butt rock cruise? I’d rather be on the titanic or that crappy PS4 submarine.
remeber seening them years ago in the 90s at the outhouse they was someone stole there stuff n justin was saying punks dont steal from punks well punks dont sexual abuse punks either glad his stuff got stolen in hope more gets taken from just a hyporice abuser
How come every time these women make allegations against famous rock stars with money, it almost always follows with some form or fashion in advertisement related to a new business adventure? These “Punk Rock Therapists” “victims” literally have a sexual assault checklist on their business website… has kind of a recruitment vibe to it…. Smells fishy personally to me 🤔
I am absolutely shocked, shocked I say, that an outspoken celebrity male feminist would be an sexually abusive piece of shit, shocked! Well, not that shocked.
This sucks man, I got into anti flag after seeing your interview, Justin seemed cool, but after hearing this, this lowkey makes me wanna toss my copy of For Blood and Empire
The fast disbandment tells us anti flag really believed in their message to the point of being sincere with their principles and call it quits as they knew the truth. No other band would have been so honest with their message to call it quits. Other bands would have acted cowardly going on with their show. Anti Flag have been honest in the end and we should appreciate it. If Justin did it there is no excuse though the situation of the violence was shady. Two drunk persons in a room after a night together. What in the world would have happened if not sex? The girl said she was confused about the fact if she should have been happy or devastated about having had sex with his hero. My take is that Justin was so full of himself not to think that the girl didn't really want to have sex with him. Not an excuse but I guess sometimes situation are not that clear as they seem. Don't make him a monster....people is so quick to judge these days.
He is a monster because Kristina S was not the first and not the only person to be on the receiving end of Justin's sickening behavior. He was 40 when she was 22. He knew better and did it anyway. He is a monster.
Lots of shit can happen in a hotel room after a night of drinking that isn't sex..platonic cuddles..offering the woman then bed and you take the floor..drinking isn't an excuse to rape someone
@@stuartpriest7033 No one said that. Probably he thought that his intentions were clear since he tried to kiss her and his ego so big to think that no girl could really not want to have sex with him, he pushed the limit and alcohol made the rest. Not an excuse if violence happened but probably he didn't think it was a rape since he tried to see her again and hang out again.
Lets not get ahead of ourselves here. Im sorry but the woman should of submitted her allegations to the police. Not a podcast. Regardless of what the band did after the allegations. You have already convicted Justin of rape and dont even know if its true. Imagine being convicted without a trial/defense statement. This always believe the victim shit needs to stop. I understand that everyone handles trauma different. But at the end if the day, you cant go around making baseless accusations. And you haven't even notified the proper authorities. Thats what investigators are for. False allegations ruin lives. It's disgusting. But on the other hand if he is guilty, then let his ass burn.
I have seen this breakup coming for a while. I have often wondered if either Chris #2 or even Justin Sane himself started to privately drift into right wing , conservative nationalist politics as they got older. I don't know whether these accusations against Justin are true but I knew that Anti Flag wasn't going to last until 2025. I was correct. And I would seriously not doubt if at least part of the break up stems from the fact that one or more members got outted somehow as now being conservative. It's just my theory though, nothing is written in stone. I do wish to add that my belief is that these accusations (whether true or false) were just the straw that broke the camel's back.
So we can't show you any evidence that he's guilty of anything but we're just going to assume he's guilty. No. I do not accept the claim that the band breaking up is evidence of his guilt. We still have no idea if he's guilty or not. I'd like to see some evidence. Now a message to all you the dumbasses who are going to respond calling me a "Rape Apologist.". The burden of proof is on the accuser not the accused. I'm not saying he's innocent. I'm not defending him. I don't know if he's guilty or not. And until I see enough evidence that convinces me he's guilty I'm going to presume he's innocent. Again: Just because the band broke up does not mean he sexually assaulted anyone. Just because the band is not issuing a comment on the matter doesn't mean he's guilty. Also keep in mind he has not been accused directly. All that's being reported is that people did some digging on the internet. Until we see what they found we can't know anything. I'm seeing an awful lot of "what they say" with this story. How about some evidence.
Accusers are only instantly believed if they are accusing a celebrity (even a minor celebrity like Sane). Otherwise, one still has to jump through hoops just to get listened to. MeToo/TimesUp is to sexual assault as Live Aid was to world hunger.
Why did the whole band break up? I think they knew he has done this before. Hopefully more victims come forth. Though it is possible he is innocent and she is lying, but I think it is very unlikely.
@@a.champagne6238 Yes, but they broke up right away. I watched the podcast and the band name "Anti-Flag" was never said in it. The band probably knows he has raped women before. The communist witch hunts in America were not without reason, the USSR was a big power back then. And yes innocent noncommunists were victims of cancel culture. But many communists were exposed. They broke up with no attempt to even defend him. Though I do think the Me Too movement has gone to far and innocent men are accused. But I am pretty sure he is guilty.
@@RichardCranium. I'll still wait and see before I make any judgement. It looked really bad for Marilyn Manson at first but now I'm 100% convinced that these allegations are false.
"Another", when you can't name even a single other one. SA is a problem across all industries, it's not a left or right thing, _but,_ if you wanna keep score, you definitely didn't think this through before you opened your mouth, 'cause your side's got _infinitely_ more skeletons in your closet. Feel like having a talk about your daddy Trump's best buddy Mr. Epstein? Plus, the difference is: the left holds their side accountable and is fully against this kind of behavior, whereas your side is 100% fine with it, putting all your r@pists and p3d0s at the top of the ballot for you. Trust me fascbot, you don't want none of this.
@@xdeadbeatboi6666x someone who thinks they know it all and is right about everything. Instead of taking one blue pill, they take the whole bottle and live with their heads up their asses.
anti flag used to practice at my house in pittsburgh back in the early 90's and the current lineup happened in my dining room and hearing about this disgusts me on a personal level...
I hope the abrupt breakup means the other members didn't know and were as shocked as we all are to learn what happened. It's bad enough that one guy was a creep. I really hope the rest of the bands weren't enablers.
allegations without evidence buddy. GFY you simpleton
I've never seen an established band take such drastic action before, especially pre-emptively. It was the disbanding that prompted the public investigation. Nobody had outright accused them or their singer of anything at this point. Just raises more questions.
Comes off as an admission of guilt tbh
As I said, it's reminding me a lot of the Gaza situation, and if we see a new band emerge with a nearly identical lineup minus the accused vocalist… well, we'll certainly know what happened then.
@@ConvincingPeople That exact kind of situation is actually how Black Country, New Road formed: they were originally in a band named Nervous Conditions, but after accusations came out against the singer of that band they broke up and then formed a new band without him. Almost eerie how history can rhyme sometimes (though in BC,NR's case they seemed keen to distance themselves from him basically since the accusations came to light).
This Is a sign of their Total commitment to the cause they sang about. Or 100% pure or we disband.
@@francescomarrone8466 Nah, there's more accusations coming against other members and a lawyer is advising them to do all this.
Well this is rough to hear, I have so many good memories tied to their music and seeing them live multiple times
Innocent until proven guilty.
I hope the break up is a result of everyone else in the band simultaneously saying “fuck you” and refusing to be part of it. The one would expect statements if that were the case, perhaps they are waiting to put their statement out together or something.
It's also possible that Justin was the one in control of the socials and that's why everything went dark, that's happened several times with other bands before.
One would kind of hope that the rest of the band without Justin would reform into something new, but the broken trust might nip that in the bud.
Knowing Anti-Flag and Justin I completely understand their actions and wanting to pay respect to someone who feels like a victim. Until Court proceedings go through. All of those platforms right now are going to be are going to be completely toxic. It is a shame for so many people to jump to conclusions before someone has had their day in court
Fuck this one hurts. I met these guys too at warped tour in 2019 and they were so down to earth. Guess not.
Go figure they’re humans 🤷🏻♂️
@@elosoguapo8137not all humans are rapists bud. That's a rather bizarre and disturbing response by you.
@@agoo7581 I suppose if you misunderstood the comment (and this appears to he the case) you might find it disturbing. What I mean is that people in bands who seem super cool are just like anyone else. Don’t get rose colored glasses because you’re a fan and they don’t come across as immediate douchebags. The vast majority of the time predators don’t present themselves as predators. You weren’t aware of this?
Being such a fan of Anti-Flag, I'm just flabbergasted. They're the last band I would have expected to see this from.
Delicious commie tears
Reeeeeee…….
@@Kissthebottle68 Oof, I gotta say, if I was as unintelligent as you, I wouldn't go around advertising it. Weird choice, but you do you I guess.
@@BadPenny3 you’re the Anti-Flag fan not me .
@@BadPenny3 anti-flag went from anarchist to communist when andy flag left the band.
@@Kissthebottle68 I'm a big fan of their first album. After andy left it was so-so.
Oh boy... Here's another contender of bands ruined by their singer.
Allegations until proven guilty. BUT , to go full-on nuked earth that's pretty sus.
How many more times are we going to have this happen before we realize that people that make money off of pandering to your beliefs dont actually hold the beliefs? Do people think this is only for televangelists?
Never believe the celebrities actually care about what they preach. Far too many of them don't.
So so many sheeple do not know the half of it. I kind of like it when they get a little taste of it like this. But when you go down the rabbit hole you realise just how truly satanic the world is and how they use the cult of celebrity (bands, actors etc.) to push their evil narratives. Anti-Flag sold their soul long ago.
This right here
Perfectly said quote. People should listen to that.
Yep. A lot to be said about this comment right now, in multiple music genres
Anti Flag was always garbage
If it’s true, which their actions right before this came out suggest, this is a massive backstab. These guys stood for what I believe in, now to see this come out. I can’t justify even streaming this. I don’t want to believe it, but if or until or whatever the right word is it’s false, I’m not listening to them. If it’s proven true, the biggest backstab possible, this is the band that got me into feminism and gender equality, for the main voice to do something that heinous and vile is honestly shocking
Welcome to my world. The world of being AWAKE!
@@donniet685 dude, punk has always been historically woke.
sorry to break it to you.
Definitely hypocritical if there is one.
I'm not surprised. A lot of these bands act "holier than thou"....especially these guys.
@@LoveMusic-bp4ivtraditionally, it's called feminism because it calls for treating of women with equity and same rights as men. Feminism, because it used to be men dictating and women listening, so the name advocates for women to be acknowledged the same as a man would by who she is not for her gender. It is not meant to be that a woman should be in charge, as that is not feminism. Those "feminists" behaving in that manner are calling for matriarchy under the ruse of feminism. Anyway, that's why feminism ✌🏻
It's genuinely shocking and heartbreaking. I was such a fan of these guys--how terrible.
My girlfriend and I are going to that Ice 9/In This Moment tour. Seen In this Moment back in 2018 and thought they were great. This will be my 5th time seeing Avatar
We shall see what comes of it. All you can do. Hope the victim is okay if it’s true.
Honestly, what Anti-Flag did here most closely resembles to me what happened with the political metalcore band Gaza some years back, where there were some really harrowing accusations made surrounding the frontman and the group immediately disbanded… only for every member *except* for said frontman to reconvene as Cult Leader not too long after, with said ex-member vanishing from the music scene entirely and the former members preferring not to talk about him. If this situation is anything like that one, well, I don't think that the other members knew, and I suspect that they are, quite justifiably, very, very angry. Which is sad and horrible, but it is what it is, and if this should be the case, I wish them all the luck in the world with their future endeavours.
I feel extremely bad for Jon. The woman who made those accusations later admitted to fabricating them. Gaza will always be one of my favorite bands of all time. Anti-Flag is generic bullshit that I couldn't give a shit less about and there are thousands of bands that sound exactly like them
@@GENXJOPLIN I have not heard a lot of Gaza, just listened to a few songs. But they did kick ass. Easily better then 95% of punk and hardcore that has come out. Anti-flag blow. I liked some of their early stuff as a teenager but the later stuff really sucks. Anti-Flag are barely even better then Good Charlotte or Simple Plan.
@@RichardCranium. I worked pretty hard on covering one of their best songs for a video on my channel if you care to take a peep haha. I got into music out of order. Gaza, the locust and daughters were the kinds of shit I listened to in highschool. I now listen to a shitton of Rancid and buttrock lmao
Not very punk, sid killed Nancy and himself and the pistols still toured
Another lead singer making me sick to my stomach. Holy mackerel.
I'm pissed! I love Anti Flag! My MS got really bad and was hoping to see them live as a present to myself. Pfft guess not!
They say don’t meet your heroes for a reason. Your heroes are human just like you. Those people that get hauled in and cover their faces on the news…yes some of them are your heroes. Go to the show. Have fun. Support good music. Don’t try to have some personal relationship. Speaking of SA…how bad would it be to get assaulted by stapp on that butt rock cruise? I’d rather be on the titanic or that crappy PS4 submarine.
very similar scenerio to what happed with Jorge of the Casualties
You know bad things come in threes... so we will be back for more allegations next week... same Rocked time... same Rocked channel :)
remeber seening them years ago in the 90s at the outhouse they was someone stole there stuff n justin was saying punks dont steal from punks well punks dont sexual abuse punks either glad his stuff got stolen in hope more gets taken from just a hyporice abuser
They're hypocrites. So many of these punk bands are all talk. Anti Flag was no different. They milked their image and music for years.
As an ex fan of this band these allegations have ruined my enjoyment of the music. I am not supporting these guys anymore
Same
Justin spoke, according to him, the accusations are false.
How come every time these women make allegations against famous rock stars with money, it almost always follows with some form or fashion in advertisement related to a new business adventure? These “Punk Rock Therapists” “victims” literally have a sexual assault checklist on their business website… has kind of a recruitment vibe to it…. Smells fishy personally to me 🤔
It Truly is Those that Virtue Signal the Loudest..
Maybe he's guilty. Maybe he's not. But we must withold judgement until we hear all of the facts.
This is the least surprising one yet tbh
I am absolutely shocked, shocked I say, that an outspoken celebrity male feminist would be an sexually abusive piece of shit, shocked! Well, not that shocked.
This sucks man, I got into anti flag after seeing your interview, Justin seemed cool, but after hearing this, this lowkey makes me wanna toss my copy of For Blood and Empire
The fast disbandment tells us anti flag really believed in their message to the point of being sincere with their principles and call it quits as they knew the truth.
No other band would have been so honest with their message to call it quits. Other bands would have acted cowardly going on with their show.
Anti Flag have been honest in the end and we should appreciate it.
If Justin did it there is no excuse though the situation of the violence was shady. Two drunk persons in a room after a night together. What in the world would have happened if not sex? The girl said she was confused about the fact if she should have been happy or devastated about having had sex with his hero.
My take is that Justin was so full of himself not to think that the girl didn't really want to have sex with him.
Not an excuse but I guess sometimes situation are not that clear as they seem.
Don't make him a monster....people is so quick to judge these days.
He is a monster because Kristina S was not the first and not the only person to be on the receiving end of Justin's sickening behavior. He was 40 when she was 22. He knew better and did it anyway. He is a monster.
Lots of shit can happen in a hotel room after a night of drinking that isn't sex..platonic cuddles..offering the woman then bed and you take the floor..drinking isn't an excuse to rape someone
@@stuartpriest7033 No one said that. Probably he thought that his intentions were clear since he tried to kiss her and his ego so big to think that no girl could really not want to have sex with him, he pushed the limit and alcohol made the rest.
Not an excuse if violence happened but probably he didn't think it was a rape since he tried to see her again and hang out again.
I would agree with the first paragraph
But the second paragraph kills it
Michael Bolton has announced that he is putting out a new album.
I think this podcast came out and the rest of the band just said no way. We out
Yeah I am really hoping the band didn’t know before this, but for no one to say anything looks bad on all members.
I dont believe it.
Lets not get ahead of ourselves here. Im sorry but the woman should of submitted her allegations to the police. Not a podcast. Regardless of what the band did after the allegations. You have already convicted Justin of rape and dont even know if its true. Imagine being convicted without a trial/defense statement. This always believe the victim shit needs to stop. I understand that everyone handles trauma different. But at the end if the day, you cant go around making baseless accusations. And you haven't even notified the proper authorities. Thats what investigators are for. False allegations ruin lives. It's disgusting. But on the other hand if he is guilty, then let his ass burn.
It happened like 10 years ago.
😢
I have seen this breakup coming for a while. I have often wondered if either Chris #2 or even Justin Sane himself started to privately drift into right wing , conservative nationalist politics as they got older. I don't know whether these accusations against Justin are true but I knew that Anti Flag wasn't going to last until 2025. I was correct. And I would seriously not doubt if at least part of the break up stems from the fact that one or more members got outted somehow as now being conservative. It's just my theory though, nothing is written in stone. I do wish to add that my belief is that these accusations (whether true or false) were just the straw that broke the camel's back.
So we can't show you any evidence that he's guilty of anything but we're just going to assume he's guilty. No. I do not accept the claim that the band breaking up is evidence of his guilt. We still have no idea if he's guilty or not. I'd like to see some evidence.
Now a message to all you the dumbasses who are going to respond calling me a "Rape Apologist.". The burden of proof is on the accuser not the accused. I'm not saying he's innocent. I'm not defending him. I don't know if he's guilty or not. And until I see enough evidence that convinces me he's guilty I'm going to presume he's innocent. Again: Just because the band broke up does not mean he sexually assaulted anyone. Just because the band is not issuing a comment on the matter doesn't mean he's guilty. Also keep in mind he has not been accused directly. All that's being reported is that people did some digging on the internet. Until we see what they found we can't know anything. I'm seeing an awful lot of "what they say" with this story. How about some evidence.
Accusers are only instantly believed if they are accusing a celebrity (even a minor celebrity like Sane). Otherwise, one still has to jump through hoops just to get listened to.
MeToo/TimesUp is to sexual assault as Live Aid was to world hunger.
Why did the whole band break up? I think they knew he has done this before. Hopefully more victims come forth. Though it is possible he is innocent and she is lying, but I think it is very unlikely.
@@RichardCranium. why did friends betray friends during the HUAC days?
@@a.champagne6238 Yes, but they broke up right away. I watched the podcast and the band name "Anti-Flag" was never said in it. The band probably knows he has raped women before. The communist witch hunts in America were not without reason, the USSR was a big power back then. And yes innocent noncommunists were victims of cancel culture. But many communists were exposed. They broke up with no attempt to even defend him. Though I do think the Me Too movement has gone to far and innocent men are accused. But I am pretty sure he is guilty.
@@RichardCranium. I'll still wait and see before I make any judgement. It looked really bad for Marilyn Manson at first but now I'm 100% convinced that these allegations are false.
Foot ball.tackle!!!!!!
She lied to save her feminist podcast it was failing so she lied to save it
She got mad that he hit it and quit it.
I believe her. The rest of the band probably know he has done this before, which is why they broke up right away
Not surprising in the least.
Creed returning is NOT "good news".
@@ExUSSailorAgreed, Scott Stapp is an awful person.
Honestly, I prefer Alter Bridge than Creed. Why? Myles Kennedy is a better singer than Scott Stapp.
they are a overrated punk band there lyrics have been there done that from older punk bands.
If anything, they’re underrated. Rarely hear people talk about Anti-Flag.
It's for the best. Anti-Flag sucks ass!
This is why you teach your boys to be wamen respekterz and not male femenists
Another wokie exposed.
"Another", when you can't name even a single other one. SA is a problem across all industries, it's not a left or right thing, _but,_ if you wanna keep score, you definitely didn't think this through before you opened your mouth, 'cause your side's got _infinitely_ more skeletons in your closet. Feel like having a talk about your daddy Trump's best buddy Mr. Epstein? Plus, the difference is: the left holds their side accountable and is fully against this kind of behavior, whereas your side is 100% fine with it, putting all your r@pists and p3d0s at the top of the ballot for you. Trust me fascbot, you don't want none of this.
shut up💀💀💀
What has been termed "woke culture" is truly pushing the narrative of the Satanists.
Define woke.
@@xdeadbeatboi6666x someone who thinks they know it all and is right about everything. Instead of taking one blue pill, they take the whole bottle and live with their heads up their asses.
anti flag used to practice at my house in pittsburgh back in the early 90's and the current lineup happened in my dining room and hearing about this disgusts me on a personal level...