No he isn't, before he fought ali he went on to destroy joe frazier and many other amazing boxers, he is in no way underrated. The only reason he wasn't in this video is because after ali when he came back in his fourties he wasn't as good as he was in his prime, which was before and during ali times.
Bearz but no one remembers him for all his great moments such as fighting 5 guys in one night and winning the world championship when he was a middle age man. He only gets remembered for the rumble in the jungle which I feel is unfair and leaves him underrated
His hands were impossibly heavy. After his comeback, his punches looked like they were coming at half a mile per hour, yet he would destroy people with them.
Absolutely. Time will eventually give him the respect he deserves. Best jab of any heavyweight ever, yes Liston included, and a knockout right hand. Consider his record and the number of quality heavyweights he faced. He got up from a shavers rocket and his battle with Ken Norton would have ended any lesser heavies climb up the ladder. Funny, no sh-t personality as well was hilarious. Love when he went after that nut case Berbick in the parking lot.
Well yeah he wouldn't I still disagree with him I I still said that you are tasked to be in the running and yeah definitely but he's talking about after Ali and most of those wins that mattered took place before Ali retired
@@wraithstrongopark you don't really watch Rummy's Corner regularly do you? Because if you did you'd stop hanging to the faded fad of Lewis weak chin and improve your boxing knowledge. Do yourself a favour and watch the video where Rummy kills the myth of Lewis weak chin and save further embarrassment in the future.
I would give it to Lewis, he literally fought and beat everyone, I know he lost, but they were just flukes it happens all the time at heavyweight. Plus Lewis has the style and power to compete with any heavyweight in any era
Im between holmes and lennox I wrote a whole 400 words comment talming about why my list but i touched the home button in my phone and the comment wasn't here no more My list be like: 1.lennox 2.holmes 3.tyson 4.holyfield 5.wladimirr klitshcko 6.bowe 7. Foreman 8. Vitaly klitshcko 9.spinks 10. John ruiz
He fought everyone and beat everyone but we all know that Tyson after his come back was just a shadow of his former self. So for me, it would be between him and Tyson
pretorious-Holyfield aged like fine wine. Tyson had an explosive style that favored his youth. It's all about styles and mental states. Holyfield wouldn't stand a chance vs Tyson mid-late 80's.
George Foreman ended a 10-year retirement at the age of 38 and at 45 he became the heavyweight champion for the second time in his life. Yea I wouldn't consider the guy either...
Also he won against Briggs, which would have let him face lewis. But an old foreman was bad 4 business after he won and kept winning. Can't have an old man beating the young upcomingnboxers. So they pushed him out. He should be considered on every list every time regarding HW. He fought the 2 greatest eras and was world champ in both.
@@brodywebster813 That Briggs fight remains one of the worst decisions in history. Foreman landed more punches. Normally when that happens and the other fighter wins, the argument is that the fighter who landed fewer landed more effective punches... but this is FOREMAN we are talking about. Even his glancing blows were hard. There was no argument for Briggs winning.
Yeah, Gearge Foreman was a phenomenon. But he is one of the best of all time if you take his career overall. If you just take his later career, he is just a good boxer who held the title a little bit. Bonnus point for being much older than the others, but he cannot be considered one of the best of the last 40 years. Maybe he barely makes it in a top 10 then...
@@brodywebster813 "pushed him out"? Foreman got THREE cracks at a heavyweight title after coming out of retirement. He lost to Holyfield, then he lost to Morrison. That should have been it. But he got another shot against Moorer just because Foreman was a big draw. And he only won that fight after Moorer got cocky after beating the crap out of George for nine rounds. And then Foreman refused to fight the designated challenger for his WBA belt. And he won his following fight against Schulz in a controversial decision, and refused the rematch, so he then lost his IBF title. That he lost a controversial decision against Briggs -- so what? Does that erase all of the above history? Foreman regaining the title, in his 40s, was an amazing feat. But he has no business being on a "greatest heavyweight since Ali" list.
He was soo good but at the time no one gave him his dues no one really put him up there with mike or evander til he beat em both and he beat em all in his day
Lennox Lewis easily: Has the best resume by far, he beat the best guys in one of the toughest eras, beat every man he stepped inside the ring with and till this day he remains the last undisputed HW champion.
Man, I could spend five years thinking about nothing but this question and then tell you who the best of this seven was. Then you could ask me 15 minutes later and I'd have changed my mind.
Lennox Lewis by far, great record, beat everyone he’s every faced (avenged his 2 loses). Retired as the undisputed lineal champion. Fought great competition. Overcame adversity. He’s arguably the top 3 heavyweights of all time!!!
In terms of achievement, I think Lewis dominated a much more competitive era, his wins over Holyfield and Klitschko are better than any individual Holmes victory. Not that Holmes was a worse boxer, it's just that there was no other big name for him to beat in his prime. Holmes is probably more consistent though, I can't imagine him ever losing to Rahman or McCall.
@@bigdan9671 Come on, he beat Alex Steward, Bert Cooper, Gerry Cooney, Dwight Muhammad Qawi, besides Michael Moorer and Axel Schultz. (In my opinion) also won a decision against a prime Shannon Briggs at the age of 48. That's something to consider don't you think?
@@marjansarec2337 I dont think so. Rummy praised Foreman several times and called him one of the greatest heavyweights of all time in his Notable Wins video. Foreman became an ATG during the 70s after annihilating Fraizer and Norton. Even after the Ali loss, Foreman still showed that he was still game by taking out Lyle in that epic slugfest. When Foreman had his comeback in the 90s, he wasn't peak form anymore and can't take out all the young, prime lions like Holyfield and Morrison. But BIG props for Foreman blasting Moorer though. If Foreman defeated Holyfield and Morrison, he may be in this video.
I think there's a lot to be said for Evander Holyfield being essentially buffed cruiserweight size and fighting guys, 20, 30 and 40 pounds heavier than himself, and oftentimes giving up several inches in height and reach. He fought Buster Douglas and won, George Foreman and won, beat Riddick Bowe in one of their trilogy fights, beat Ray Mercer, beat Michael Moorer after losing to him previously, beat Mike Tyson twice, and fought Lennox Lewis twice for a draw and a loss. Name one other fighter of any era since Ali that has fought that many big names and champions at the size Holyfield was, and won against as many as he did. Dude is a legend.
I'm not trying to take anything from holyfeild, but that draw was straight bullshit. I could watch that first fight a 100 times, with a 100 different people and they would agree lewis won that.
@TAMIL TAMIL yy got beat when he got out of jail,when he abandoned his mentor kevin,when he was fighting only for the money.nice examples.you just cant accept that an 20 year old tyson has nothing to do with tyson of 90s.so much hate for no reason
I hate all these fairy tales regarding Tyson. He was a cunt before he met Dmarto, he was a cunt before he met Don King. Don't believe me then read his Autobiography. Fuck Tyson.
Douglas lost to mediocre guys. So did Lewis so did Holyfield. Tyson was the greatest boxing ever. Seen. He beat pinklon Thomas, tucker, riddick bowe, Carl th truth, Biggs, spinks, bruno
@@westsidewoodledge8892 actually thats the most retarded thing anyone said thomas, tucker, spinks, ruddock etc were all fighters far below his level and trying to use that as a reason he was the greatest is clownish, tyson literally never fought bowe and tyson lost to all the fighters you listed at the top
just keep in mind Tyson had two careers here...the one with his adopted family who were also his trainers and the one with Don King and company.....the first career Tyson IMO defeats everyone on this list
Cus D'Amato died in 1985, a year before Tyson became the heavyweight champ. So it's not like the two halves of his career can really be summed up the way you put it.
Bullshit! Tyson never fought a true tough Heavyweight until he fought Holyfield & got his ass handed to him.Tyson was 30 & Holyfield was 34.Lewis 21 & Tyson 20 sparred & Lewis smacked him around like a little bitch & was never asked back because they didn't want Tyson to lose confidents.Tyson stopped Holmes in round 3 or 4 & Holmes was coming off a 20 month retirement & was 38 years old.A young Holmes wins decision over young Tyson or late round stoppage.This young Tyson was unbeatable is a myth created by a bunch of Tyson groupie fan club who are big Tyson fans but don't watch any other boxing but Tyson fights so are uneducated boxing fans.
i grew up watching tyson boxing, i adored the man he was special,but now, after seing the big picture i realize he never beat anyone good, only one name Larry Holmes and we both know he was an old washed up boxer at the time....And he lost to Holyfield, Lewis, he even lost to Buster, and all we can make are excuses why he lost and so on...in the end he was good and great maybe, but never should be considered one of the greatest! And people saying when he was in his prime!!! WHO DID HE BEAT THAT WAS GOOD WHEN TYSON WAS IN HIS PRIME?
Tyson had the most talent, Holyfield the most heart but I'd have to go with Lewis because of his consistency and his prime years lasted longer than the rest. Bowe was great as well but like Tyson, they relied to heavily on talent and let the hard work go.
Your forgetting Larry Holmes, Larry held the title for over 7 years and made 20 title defenses. Plus he beat some really good fighters. Holmes got up from knockdowns against Shavers and Snipes where as Lewis didn't against McCall & Rockmen, though he did beat them in rematch. Holmes & Lewis have been the best since Ali. Tyson would have been had he not emploded.
@sjcthrn5 So lewis was losing before he won because he punched his opponent and won by a stoppage? Rather a lot of fighters are very lucky then........
adrianbillionaire tyson worked super hard man its just that before the buster douglas fight he had problems he fired his coach Kevin rooney he teamed up with don king and he didn’t train and was sleeping with woman and shit because of don king if it was kevin rooney he would be strict on tyson
Very true, but Holmes also fought a bunch of lackluster fights against not-so-great mandatory challengers. If he had fought that way against any of these 6 other guys, they would have destroyed Holmes. I watched the Holmes-Witherspoon fight live on TV, I scored it for Witherspoon. On the other hand, when Holmes trained hard and was 'on', he could beat anybody on this list too.
tbh Vladimir wasn't the best of his era until Vitali retired for good. Even 40 year old Vitali was better than Vladimir at the time. The guy has never been knocked down and even gave Lennox a run for his money. All losses due to injuries in fights where he was ahead on every score card at the time of stoppage. He also avanged his brother's worst losses. His granite chin is the difference and Vladimir always lacked that.
Yousef Sobhani yeah it’s 100% true. Even when he lost his fights he was winning on the cards. I’m not the biggest Vitali fan, but that’s something to be respected I think!
None of these guys, including Ali, would feel too good about looking across the ring at a prime Mike Tyson. His movement, speed, and power were all ludicrous.
Mark Sprinkle Ali May have not liked it but his mind games and taunts would’ve beaten Tyson before the fight, Tyson would try to kill Ali and Ali’s speed plus smarts would’ve aloud him to pick his moment when Tyson was gassed out. Tyson is easy second best of all time but you just can’t beat Ali, Tyson’s own words.
Think you have that about right. Holmes was an extremely underrated fighter as he followed on from what was probably the best era ever in heavyweight boxing
Exactly this. He has the best win-loss record against top contenders of any of the other candidates, and achieved all there was to achieve inside the ring. He fought the best, and he beat the best. And he did it with such emphatic power and precision, that the one fighter "The Ring" regarded as better than Lewis for a long stretch (Bowe) actually ducked him by trashing the WBC belt - literally - when Lewis was his mandatory challenger. Lewis, hands down, every day of the week.
Lethal era wtf are you talking about. That was not lethal at all lol. And I think Lewis is a great but that comment is strange. On top of that he got ko'd by 2 average joes while in his prime
the 90's is widely regarded as the second strongest era in heavyweight history after ali/foreman/frazier etc in the 70's lewis beat or was ducked by every elite level fighter in the 90's. and unified and dominated. was robbed of two clear victories over holyfield with the judges scoring the first fight a draw. i had him winning the first fight (draw)wider than the second fight they gave him the win in. he was clearly the most consistent and dominant fighter and defeated the better fighters over a longer period. calling rahmann average because you dont know his name as well is a joke. go look at his record and who he fought. rahmann was no fucking joke. he could brawl he could box and he mixed it with some of the greatest fighters of the era. as for mccall he had been ranked inside the top ten heavyweights for years and was always there or there abouts. modern example would be luis ortiz good opponent for champions and the gatekeeper for up and coming fighters.
Thanks Rummy, great breakdown. One, important thing you haven't mentioned about Holyfield, is that he was in the game for a very long time on a high level. And he should have been the oldest HW champ after fighting Valuiev.
Tyson knocked out Lenox when they were 18 and 19. Lenox passed out cold. They sparred for 4 days and it was the same every day. Lenox will not release the footage to the public, but he says he has it. He claim that on the 4th day Tyson did not dominate him. But others who were there say Tyson was far superior
There is no man that has ever lived who could beat Lennox Lewis on his best day. Lewis is the greatest HW of all time. You could definetly make a case for Ali, but I still strongly believe that Lewis would come out on top more often than not.
@@oisincoen6557 Holyfield had too many holes, Lennox killed him in both fights they had. Obviously Lennox is blessed with him height and reach but on their best days Holyfield couldn’t beat him, nor could he beat Bowe (who was so afraid to fight Lennox he threw his title in a trash can).
Rummy you are an absolute pound for pound legend ✊🏼 It’s a Holmes v Lewis mega fight for me! Battle of the jabs but possibly that massive over the top right of Lewis getting through at some point!?
Gotta be Holyfield for me the fact that he moved up from cruiser and dominated the way he did is amazing 3 signature wins with the 2 Tyson fights and the bowe win, a win against an old homes and a game old foreman the only thing that taints him in my mind is sticking around for to long.
@Rajyavardhhana ye Idk how he gets all this credit, he was definitely an amazing boxer but people putting him above Holmes, Klitschko, Holyfield, etc is just insane. His only names were old men A 37 yo Evander A 36 yo Tyson He definitely has some names like Frank Bruno and Vitali Klitschko but putting him as the best in the last 40 years is insane
When tyson fought lennox and hollyfield he wasn't the same same tyson from the 80 after prision tyson wasn't the same he lost the passion for boxing at that point and when tyson fought Douglas i know Tyson didnt train for that fight i remenber when he was going to fight him the show tyson partying all the time even few day before the fight the show tyson partying in toky whit a couple of Chinese girl but i bet that hollyfield lewis and Douglas foutht Tyson when hes trainer was cuz D amato he will kill those 3
I think you have to give it to Holyfield. He had the strongest strength of opposition and ducked no one. I’m a Tyson fan and think in his prime he beats them all. But Holyfield has the longevity and the number of big fights to be called the best Heavyweight post Muhammad Ali.
Same here,in his prime unstoppable when he was dedicated until he started having problems outside the ring then his enthusiasm dropped and he became less didicated to training,meaning he became sluggish.Mike Tyson still for me.
1. Lennox Lewis (arguably the greatest h2h heavyweight of all time, he had longevity and dominance, he beat every man he ever faced. His only two losses were from lapses in concentration of not taking the opponent seriously, when in form he was basically unbeatable) 2. Wladimir Klitschko (extremely long reign, unbeaten for a decade) 3. Larry Holmes (similar to Wladimir's case, but he reigned for less time, and two losses Vs Spinks do much to discredit him) 4. Evander Holyfield (Awesome fighter) 5. Vitali Klitschko (Dominant, rarely lost a round, never knocked down, 2 losses came from cuts) 6. Mike Tyson (explosive, but untested and failed to rise to the occasion) 7. Riddick Bowe (h2h probably on par with Lewis, but he has less accomplishments than everyone else here)
Man, I was shocked when they pointed out that Bowe's only loss was that majority decision to Holyfield in between his two wins against him. You are right that his career has the fewest quality opponents, though... makes you wonder what could've been with him had he fought more
i agree but switch holmes and wlad around. wlads losses to guys like purritty and sanders massively discredit him. Im not sure how you think the spinks losses discredit holmes as spinks is arguably the 2nd best light heavyweight of all time and holmes was old. not to mention larry definitely won the reamatch
One Stop Comic Spot what does putting fear in a person have to do with being the best of an era, Tyson said Evander was scared of the beating he was going to give him, I guess it didn't help Tyson
Sendou Takeshi this is true liston was definitely the most feared of all time maybe max Baer also who had that rep after he killed a couple dudes in the ring Tyson never killed anybody but he def seemed like he wanted to at times
He got destroyed in his prime. How can you make a judgment like that when the man never beat no big-name people? You can only judge a fighter’s greatness based on the competition he faced. Mike Tyson never been anybody. A bunch of journeyman tomato cans
Me lol I didn’t even know this video was made 2 yrs ago lol. And also how does this video make sense. No man born from his mother could defeat 85-88 iron mike tyson lmaoo
Really interesting article and brilliant analysis bud. I totally agree with those included in your list of seven, and with your reasons for leaving others out. I fully understand why the K bros chose not to fight each other, but in terms of legacy for discussions such as this, neither truly unified the division whilst they refused to fight each other. It's a close thing which probably means there is no obvious king post Ali. For me Lennox did it all and is the pick of the bunch. He unified the division, became undisputed, faced mandatories, beat most of his contemporaries, beat great names of his time, from the previous era and the rising star VKlitchko. In 44 pro fights he avenged both of his losses and avenged his only draw. As a pro he even avenged his amateur loss in the Olympics to the very talented Tyrell Biggs. Retired at the top. I don't know now why he did not take the mandatories of John Ruiz or Chris Byrd. There were probably good reasons.
You're not giving Larry much credit. He had two huge career defining moments: his fight with Norton was legendary and the 15th round belongs in a time capsule. The second moment was the victory over Cooney. If you were alive for it you knew it was a mega event because of the implication of a possible white heavyweight champion. The president of the United States is said to have called Cooney before the fight. Larry had to face down all that and he did victoriously. Also re Holmes v Klitschko - Larry's jab and heart would make both Klitschkos quit or get stopped. An old Lewis chopped up Vitali - a prime Holmes with the best jab in the history of boxing would have done far more damage. And Larry's quality of competition was respectable - Mike Weaver, Earnie Shavers (twice!), and the aforementioned Norton. The fact that no other contender was on Larry's level doesn't mean the division was weak it meant Larry was that good.
Holmes' jab was stellar, you're right. The best though...I don't know, Ali's jab was fantastic too, especially before the forced retirement. And Sonny Liston's...the man's jab was like a freight train moving at full speed
He's giving Larry too much credit actually. He shouldn't even be in this list. Fought in a terrible, weak era of heavyweights and then started losing when guys like Tyson came.
You got this one right Rummy. 48-0 That is the record that Larry Holmes began his career with. And we all know the 49th and 50th against Michael Spinks were train robberies by the judges. It became blatantly obvious in the 2nd Spinks fight that the boxing admins wanted Holmes to go away, so they stole his victory and basically gave it to Spinks for staying on his feet 15 rounds.
I’d go with that. Holmes was a hugely unappreciated champion. Ringsmart, strong chin, stamina and very skillful. He was a victim of reigning over a weak division at the beginning of the 80s. We must remember of course that he sparred a lot with Ali and often made the great man look bad in sparring too.
I would say lewis is best tyson had potential he's my favorite no doubted prolly the best fighter in his prime but bad decisions and negative influence messed it all up I say lewis he's was invincible
Definetly. He was never fully accepted by the UK, even though he was born there and he definitely wasn't accepted in the States as an elite champ by everybody. If he would have been a UK darling such as Frank Bruno/AJ or born in the States, I believe he'd be regarded as a far greater fighter than what he gets credit for.
What a well put video! Started following boxing during the Joshua-Wilder era but i've watched a few videos about previous champs and ey... I'm with Lennox Lewis😬
Me too, That's one of the best fantasy fights. Either one could knock the other out at any time but I'd take Frazier to take Tyson into the deep waters and drown him.
Prime Holmes, Tyson and Holyfield would walk through any of the lads from the last 10 - 15 years. Heavyweight boxing used to be exciting. These days it's just not worth watching.
Holyfield has always been one of my favorite fighters. I am especially reminded of what a tough bassturd he is watching his losses. Warrior is right! Always in top shape, never ducked a fight, never quit, fought all comers and never got bullied by anyone and they were nearly all bigger than him.
Lennox Lewis, he faced all the top fighters in a golden era for heavyweight boxing and retired with no unavenged defeats, Tyson in his prime struggled twice against Ruddock, Lewis destroyed Ruddock.
Though as you say his prime was not long , I say it was TYSON , As first: his mere emerging from nowhere was like the first atomic bomb emerging. Second, his style was specific, a killer style, intimidating to death.
Nope,his "prime" is what casuals keep echoing Great fighters find a way Ali beat foreman when Ali was long past his "prime" Lewis beat Klitschko when he was long past his "prime" Foreman beat moorer to become champ when he was almost 20 years past his "prime" Holmes went the distance with holyfield when he was long past his "prime" Holyfield beat Tyson twice when evander was way past his "prime" Mike was over rated to the moon and back ,he never once beat any true quality
Samuel LAURENT no lmao. The first time they couldn’t get an agreement done. The second Lewis lost to Oliver McCall... please tell me do you know who Oliver McCall is? Neither does anyone else lmao. So no it was your boy Lewis who lost the opportunity.
Lennox Lewis?? Aaaahahah, ahahaha ahahaha. Yeah right! Lennox Lewis came along after everyone's hey day passed. And he still barely flashed in the pan. Man he was boring to watch to boot
You sir, you know your boxing. I love this video. Finally someone who logically explains the best since, and even explains it by saying Larry Holmes [after Ali]. Not many people truly understood the greatness of Larry.
His absolute domination over Randall Tex Cobb, his knockout victory against Gerry Cooney, and his close decision over Earnie Shavers. In my opinion, at least.
Rummy, great stuff as always, never fails to be thought-provoking. Thanks for finally (in my perception) giving Lennox Lewis some love. He always fought up to or down to his level of competition, which was his only flaw as well as what made him an extraordinary champion. It meant he dominated top-tier competition every time and only lost occasionally when he got bored by the matchup and got lazy. He avenged all of those losses, of course. I'm happy to see you acknowledge that Bowe was an inferior fighter relative to Lewis, because it has always been my impression that you give Bowe too much credit, especially for a guy who threw the WBC belt in the trash to duck a guy he knew would beat him. I sincerely mean thank you for giving the nod to Lewis here, not in a sarcastic way. With the way Lewis destroyed Golata and the way he toyed with and methodically dismantled Tyson, I just can't see any other heavyweight since Ali having a stronger claim to being the best than Lennox Lewis. British folks have accused me of being a "homer' for fellow American Deontay Wilder as basically a nightmare matchup for Anthony Joshua in my opinion. But that's not about me being an American, that's my opinion from analyzing those two fighters. My opinion is also that Brit/Canadian Lennox Lewis was by far the best heavyweight since Muhammad Ali, so it's not about where I happened to be born.
@jessesam ur kidding right? Holmes was definitely over the hill n at the end of his career. Lots of wear n tear on that body mind. Tyson was young fresh n basically in his prime not alot of miles on his odometer. If it was vice versa Holmes would've flattened Tyson. Tyson was the goat on punching a heavy bag n destroying washed up or average boxers
Ridiculous, tyson dominated the weakest era in heavyweight boxing history for a couple of years, got dominated and knocked out by james douglas (Who was no great shake himself) got whooped twice by a faded holyfeild who was the first all time great he fought and got dominated and knocked out by an ageing lewis who was the second and last all time great he fought. He ducked a 40 year old george foreman, never got it on with any of the top guys of the 90's such as tua, morrison, mercer, just fought cab driver after cab driver with the occasional semi decent heavyweight such as razor rudduck an tony tucker and when he did face a half decent opponent like rudduck or tucker he struggled and went 12 rounds and when he fought Elite opposition he got dominated and lost. and you consider that the greatest heavyweight since Ali? pull your head out the sand.
Everyone I knew back in 1988 thought this way - they all thought Tyson was unbeatable... I still remember (like it was yesterday) being in our college dorm and watching the Tyson/Douglas fight... when Douglas knocked him out we ran up to the arena where the men's hoops team was playing and just started telling everyone we could find that Tyson had lost... and no one believed us until they announced it over the PA system. Then everyone figured that the one loss was a fluke, and that Tyson was still the best there was... no one ever bothered noticing that he was consistently ducking the fighters that defined the sport in the 1990s - Morrison, Moorer, Mercer, Foreman, Bowe - only fought Holyfield once he thought Holyfield was shot, and only fought Lewis when he was at the end and desperate (and, whatever anyone says about him being 'past his prime' in that fight, he was a year younger than Lewis). Mike Tyson was a carefully-managed con game that wasn't nearly as good as his image made him look to be.
@@generalkang1969 you have to fight either lennox, foreman, Mercer, Douglas or Tyson ? no one would pick Tyson 😂 are you sure it was just him doing the ducking?
You are using an incorrect criteria by comparing champions of different eras in hypothetical matchups. Interestingly enough ESPN did a whole series on who the late Bert Randolph Sugar considered to be the top 10 Heavyweights of all time. Larry Holmes was one of the people interviewed and he infuriated Sugar when he flirted with the hypothetical matchup between Joe Louis and Muhammad Ali for the number 1 spot. That criteria is wrong. Plus let’s focus on Wladimir Klitschko. He should be number 1. He fought more undefeated contenders than either Larry Holmes or Lennox Lewis. He fought more Southpaws than Lennox Lewis ever did. And he fought longer as champion than Larry Holmes and had two title reigns; Holmes had only one. Plus this idea of a weak era that infected the Klitschko era is absurd. Boxing may have died in USA after Mike Tyson retired but is saw a renaissance in Europe, particularly Eastern Europe. What do you expect from Wladimir Klitschko? To lose to any of the undefeated contenders that he beat that way it would look like there was decent competition? The fact that he remained undefeated for 10 years (8/9 of those years as champion) especially after his career was pronounced dead after his third defeat is very impressive. What’s more impressive about the man is that unlike Larry Holmes in his own comeback in his 40s, Wladimir in his 40s came very close to defeating the young lion Anthony Joshua in what was a far more competitive fight than Holmes-Holyfield or Holmes-Tyson. Wladimir in that defeat to Joshua earned more respect than he did for remaining undefeated for ten years (it sucks working hard). Plus you need to give George Foreman the benefit of the doubt. This two time champion and boxing legend fought a very competitive losing effort with a prime Evander Holyfield (people feared incorrectly that it would be another Holmes-Ali). Foreman’s comeback was pronounced dead when he was outclassed by Tommy Morrison for his bid for the WBO title. Like Wladimir, Foreman proved his critics wrong by defeating the Southpaw Michael Moorer (who had two advantages in defeating a prime Holyfield and having the respected trainer Teddy Atlas in his corner). Foreman beat the odds and defeated the Southpaw by outsmarting the opposition. Foreman really should have lost to that German boxer (Axel Schulz?) but then again he should have really won against Shannon Briggs (who was in his prime!). Foreman deserves the benefit of the doubt.
@mabood1212 imo defeating an undefeated fighter means absolutely nothing because anyone can fight bums and have a 20 or 30 and 0 record. If you actually breakdown Lewis', Holmes', and Klitschko's record and look at the level of opposition beaten, Lewis comes out miles ahead. Morrison, Mercer, McCall, Briggs, Tyson, Holyfield, Tua, Rahman, Vitali Klitschko, Bruno, Golota and the list goes on!
Imo you’re by far the best boxing analyst that I know off, maybe it’s because I agree with your opinions and you go deeper in the analysis, lol. I’d put Lewis in 1st though. Great video!
Got beat by Oliver McCall and Rockman. Was losing to Vlad before his elbow cut Vlad's eye. He didn't want a rematch and retired. Yea he was great though.
No if he would have fought and beat Tyson and Holyfield earlier in their careers he would be considered the GOAT and a pro win over Bowe wouldnt have hurt either and yes dipshit i know it wasnt Lewis fault he didnt fight Bowe
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George Forman is sooooooooo underrated
Big Head face the world Champion in 2 rounds
No he isn't, before he fought ali he went on to destroy joe frazier and many other amazing boxers, he is in no way underrated. The only reason he wasn't in this video is because after ali when he came back in his fourties he wasn't as good as he was in his prime, which was before and during ali times.
Bearz but no one remembers him for all his great moments such as fighting 5 guys in one night and winning the world championship when he was a middle age man. He only gets remembered for the rumble in the jungle which I feel is unfair and leaves him underrated
Bearz no he was way past his prime, which makes it even more ridiculous that he did what he did!
His hands were impossibly heavy. After his comeback, his punches looked like they were coming at half a mile per hour, yet he would destroy people with them.
I’d take Lewis with his actual ring IQ and that solid as a brick wall jab.
That IQ and jab was taking the night off when he got knocked out by Hasim Rockman and Oliver MCcall, a Tyson Sparring partner.
@@jasonkessler7321 both losses avenged and retired as the undisputed champ. Its heavyweight boxing, he took both guys lightly and paid for it.
Jason Kessler no in the returns though mate 🥊💥
Why do North Americans hate Lewis so much?
Jason Kessler Lewis is better than Tyson
Larry Holmes was goddamned underrated. That needs to be said.
I WILL AMEN THAT ONE FOR SURE! HE NEVER LOST TO SPINKS EITHER! EVEANDER WAS THE OTHER ONE! GREAT HEARTS!
He was rated perfectly on point for a man of his prime era. Curse of fighting during the 80s.
@@claudedalton8970 He certainly DID lose to Spinks, and the first one is a clear victory for Michael.
And he was robbed against Spinks to prevent him from equalling Marciano's record...
Absolutely. Time will eventually give him the respect he deserves. Best jab of any heavyweight ever, yes Liston included, and a knockout right hand. Consider his record and the number of quality heavyweights he faced. He got up from a shavers rocket and his battle with Ken Norton would have ended any lesser heavies climb up the ladder. Funny, no sh-t personality as well was hilarious. Love when he went after that nut case Berbick in the parking lot.
For me it is Lennox Lewis. Beat every man which He was in the Ring with. Can adapted his style to everyone. Absolute complete fighter!
I completely disagree with you on George Foreman. His record of 76-5 with 68 KO's can never be matched.
Sibusiso Maseko Earnie shavers has a similar record albeit with a few more losses
Jaymoneybagz a few ?
His record is full of bums. Holmes has a long reing, same thing with Klitschko.
Well yeah he wouldn't I still disagree with him I I still said that you are tasked to be in the running and yeah definitely but he's talking about after Ali and most of those wins that mattered took place before Ali retired
@@skarloey7493 lmao yea I know right I think he was looking for the adjectives several more losses
As much as I hate to admit it, It's definitely Lenox Lewis!
Lennox Lewis, he defeated every best man in his time, of course those that were brave enough to fight him
It's a travesty Bowe refused to fight him, that would have been a hell of a fight and one that I think Lewis would have ultimately won
@@IAWIA5 bowe had a way better chin. lennox was safety first, because of that chin. he lost to bums, because he got caught on that shaky chin.
@@wraithstrongopark you don't really watch Rummy's Corner regularly do you? Because if you did you'd stop hanging to the faded fad of Lewis weak chin and improve your boxing knowledge. Do yourself a favour and watch the video where Rummy kills the myth of Lewis weak chin and save further embarrassment in the future.
All I'm saying if Mike was in his prime lenix would have been gone in round 3.
I would give it to Lewis, he literally fought and beat everyone, I know he lost, but they were just flukes it happens all the time at heavyweight. Plus Lewis has the style and power to compete with any heavyweight in any era
Im between holmes and lennox
I wrote a whole 400 words comment talming about why my list but i touched the home button in my phone and the comment wasn't here no more
My list be like:
1.lennox
2.holmes
3.tyson
4.holyfield
5.wladimirr klitshcko
6.bowe
7. Foreman
8. Vitaly klitshcko
9.spinks
10. John ruiz
Rip
He fought everyone and beat everyone but we all know that Tyson after his come back was just a shadow of his former self. So for me, it would be between him and Tyson
Not to mentioj, the ones he lost to. He got revenge
True but Lennox never fought bowe,Foreman and he fought everybody when they were past there prime like holyfield,mike Tyson
My brain says Lewis but my heart says Tyson.
I made the exact same comment before I saw yours lol
James Mcdade - Tyson was my childhood.
Holyfield beat Tyson TWICE.
pretorious-Holyfield aged like fine wine. Tyson had an explosive style that favored his youth. It's all about styles and mental states. Holyfield wouldn't stand a chance vs Tyson mid-late 80's.
Best answer really
George Foreman ended a 10-year retirement at the age of 38 and at 45 he became the heavyweight champion for the second time in his life.
Yea I wouldn't consider the guy either...
I always wondered why George Foreman was so overlooked, dude was an animal and arguably top 5 heavyweights of all time
Also he won against Briggs, which would have let him face lewis. But an old foreman was bad 4 business after he won and kept winning. Can't have an old man beating the young upcomingnboxers. So they pushed him out. He should be considered on every list every time regarding HW. He fought the 2 greatest eras and was world champ in both.
@@brodywebster813 That Briggs fight remains one of the worst decisions in history. Foreman landed more punches. Normally when that happens and the other fighter wins, the argument is that the fighter who landed fewer landed more effective punches... but this is FOREMAN we are talking about. Even his glancing blows were hard. There was no argument for Briggs winning.
Yeah, Gearge Foreman was a phenomenon. But he is one of the best of all time if you take his career overall. If you just take his later career, he is just a good boxer who held the title a little bit. Bonnus point for being much older than the others, but he cannot be considered one of the best of the last 40 years. Maybe he barely makes it in a top 10 then...
@@brodywebster813 "pushed him out"? Foreman got THREE cracks at a heavyweight title after coming out of retirement. He lost to Holyfield, then he lost to Morrison. That should have been it. But he got another shot against Moorer just because Foreman was a big draw. And he only won that fight after Moorer got cocky after beating the crap out of George for nine rounds. And then Foreman refused to fight the designated challenger for his WBA belt. And he won his following fight against Schulz in a controversial decision, and refused the rematch, so he then lost his IBF title. That he lost a controversial decision against Briggs -- so what? Does that erase all of the above history?
Foreman regaining the title, in his 40s, was an amazing feat. But he has no business being on a "greatest heavyweight since Ali" list.
Lennox Lewis just had it all. Jab, foot work, power, size. Just an amazing boxer.
IQ as well
He was soo good but at the time no one gave him his dues no one really put him up there with mike or evander til he beat em both and he beat em all in his day
100% Lewis.
Good on Rummy to rate Lennox so high - he never favours the yanks on patriotism- only on real talent
Larry Holmes would of gave LL a boxing lesson
Lennox Lewis easily: Has the best resume by far, he beat the best guys in one of the toughest eras, beat every man he stepped inside the ring with and till this day he remains the last undisputed HW champion.
Floris that is exactly the same opinion like mine
When somebody say name Lennox Lewis I think he run away from Klitschko
The next one will be AJ
@@sportskiarhiv2730 nah he got old. Beat vitali
@@sportskiarhiv2730 Klitschko's face would probably disagree with you.
Man, I could spend five years thinking about nothing but this question and then tell you who the best of this seven was. Then you could ask me 15 minutes later and I'd have changed my mind.
Great comment!
so true!
I agree. Holmes is one of the most underrated fighter's, because he followed the G.O.A.T.
Lennox Lewis by far, great record, beat everyone he’s every faced (avenged his 2 loses). Retired as the undisputed lineal champion. Fought great competition. Overcame adversity. He’s arguably the top 3 heavyweights of all time!!!
There's no argument. He's definitely up there.
Has Lennox avenged his defeat to Oliver Mcall ??? Let me know, please...
@@ghaiyourali1352 yes
@@tomgriffiths2272 The avenged loss was a weird situation though, considering McCall's unusual behavior.
completely disagree
In terms of achievement, I think Lewis dominated a much more competitive era, his wins over Holyfield and Klitschko are better than any individual Holmes victory. Not that Holmes was a worse boxer, it's just that there was no other big name for him to beat in his prime.
Holmes is probably more consistent though, I can't imagine him ever losing to Rahman or McCall.
It breaks my heart when he didnt take foreman's name as one of the best
You can't though can you? He only really beat Schulz and Moorer after Ali retired. Foreman is still one of the best but he's not the best since Ali
the idea is who is the best in the POST ALI era
@@bigdan9671 Come on, he beat Alex Steward, Bert Cooper, Gerry Cooney, Dwight Muhammad Qawi, besides Michael Moorer and Axel Schultz. (In my opinion) also won a decision against a prime Shannon Briggs at the age of 48. That's something to consider don't you think?
Rummy doesnt like Foreman
@@marjansarec2337 I dont think so. Rummy praised Foreman several times and called him one of the greatest heavyweights of all time in his Notable Wins video. Foreman became an ATG during the 70s after annihilating Fraizer and Norton. Even after the Ali loss, Foreman still showed that he was still game by taking out Lyle in that epic slugfest. When Foreman had his comeback in the 90s, he wasn't peak form anymore and can't take out all the young, prime lions like Holyfield and Morrison. But BIG props for Foreman blasting Moorer though. If Foreman defeated Holyfield and Morrison, he may be in this video.
Ali danced for every round in that second Spinks fight. That fight in itself was a master class in greatness.
I think there's a lot to be said for Evander Holyfield being essentially buffed cruiserweight size and fighting guys, 20, 30 and 40 pounds heavier than himself, and oftentimes giving up several inches in height and reach. He fought Buster Douglas and won, George Foreman and won, beat Riddick Bowe in one of their trilogy fights, beat Ray Mercer, beat Michael Moorer after losing to him previously, beat Mike Tyson twice, and fought Lennox Lewis twice for a draw and a loss.
Name one other fighter of any era since Ali that has fought that many big names and champions at the size Holyfield was, and won against as many as he did. Dude is a legend.
I'm not trying to take anything from holyfeild, but that draw was straight bullshit. I could watch that first fight a 100 times, with a 100 different people and they would agree lewis won that.
Roided up cruiserweight*
I'd saw Lennox Lewis beat him twice. That first fight was a scandal. The second fight was closer to a draw than even the first fight.
You conflate being able to fight someone with being able to win... Holyfield is a worthy name in Heavyweight history, but not the best.
Not since Ali but Jack Dempsey beat tons of top contenders with massive height and weight advantages
"The Real Deal" was the man!
Mike Tyson when he was dedicated , pre Don King
it had less to do with Don King being around than D'Amato not being around anymore
Tyson is the most overrated boxer in history
You mean pre Robin Givens
@TAMIL TAMIL yy got beat when he got out of jail,when he abandoned his mentor kevin,when he was fighting only for the money.nice examples.you just cant accept that an 20 year old tyson has nothing to do with tyson of 90s.so much hate for no reason
I hate all these fairy tales regarding Tyson.
He was a cunt before he met Dmarto, he was a cunt before he met Don King.
Don't believe me then read his Autobiography.
Fuck Tyson.
Iron Mike Tyson. He had the most impact.thats it lets go home
Knocked out by Holyfield, Lewis, and Douglas.
thats the most retarded thing anyone couldve possibly said
Ali would’ve killed him
Douglas lost to mediocre guys. So did Lewis so did Holyfield. Tyson was the greatest boxing ever. Seen. He beat pinklon Thomas, tucker, riddick bowe, Carl th truth, Biggs, spinks, bruno
@@westsidewoodledge8892 actually thats the most retarded thing anyone said
thomas, tucker, spinks, ruddock etc were all fighters far below his level and trying to use that as a reason he was the greatest is clownish, tyson literally never fought bowe and tyson lost to all the fighters you listed at the top
Holyfield and Lennox have the best names on their resume
Who’s here after Tyson Fury whooped Deontay Wilder silly?
Lmao
almost no one. Ain't you the nerd.
2020 HW division,, all bums
buddy Isreal that’s been proven false man
Tyson Fury is a joke as a boxer and a man.
Butterbean
Lol
Ali faced and defeated the legendary boxers and champs that make him without a doubt the greatest boxer of all times.
Manute fuck yaaaeeeeh
lol
XD
just keep in mind Tyson had two careers here...the one with his adopted family who were also his trainers and the one with Don King and company.....the first career Tyson IMO defeats everyone on this list
Cus D'Amato died in 1985, a year before Tyson became the heavyweight champ. So it's not like the two halves of his career can really be summed up the way you put it.
Mike was the best but not the greatest
@@jonathanking8800 yes but he still had the trainers Gus gave him until Don king made him fire them and his manager died. He had two carrers
Bullshit! Tyson never fought a true tough Heavyweight until he fought Holyfield & got his ass handed to him.Tyson was 30 & Holyfield was 34.Lewis 21 & Tyson 20 sparred & Lewis smacked him around like a little bitch & was never asked back because they didn't want Tyson to lose confidents.Tyson stopped Holmes in round 3 or 4 & Holmes was coming off a 20 month retirement & was 38 years old.A young Holmes wins decision over young Tyson or late round stoppage.This young Tyson was unbeatable is a myth created by a bunch of Tyson groupie fan club who are big Tyson fans but don't watch any other boxing but Tyson fights so are uneducated boxing fans.
i grew up watching tyson boxing, i adored the man he was special,but now, after seing the big picture i realize he never beat anyone good, only one name Larry Holmes and we both know he was an old washed up boxer at the time....And he lost to Holyfield, Lewis, he even lost to Buster, and all we can make are excuses why he lost and so on...in the end he was good and great maybe, but never should be considered one of the greatest! And people saying when he was in his prime!!! WHO DID HE BEAT THAT WAS GOOD WHEN TYSON WAS IN HIS PRIME?
4 times Heavyweight Champion Evander Holyfield. 😍🙏❤
Butter Bean was the greatest!
LMAO
The Easton Assassin is the Dr.Dre of heavyweight boxing. People forget how great this man was at his craft.
Yeah Ali is tupac, Foreman is Biggie xD
YES, LARRY HOLMES WAS AS SOLID AS THEY GET! HE NEVER LOST ANY FIGHT TO MICHEAL SPINKS EITHER!
Weaker era, as Rummy correctly states.
@@claudedalton8970 Wrong, the first fight is clearly a Spinks victory.
Tyson had the most talent, Holyfield the most heart but I'd have to go with Lewis because of his consistency and his prime years lasted longer than the rest. Bowe was great as well but like Tyson, they relied to heavily on talent and let the hard work go.
Your forgetting Larry Holmes, Larry held the title for over 7 years and made 20 title defenses. Plus he beat some really good fighters. Holmes got up from knockdowns against Shavers and Snipes where as Lewis didn't against McCall & Rockmen, though he did beat them in rematch. Holmes & Lewis have been the best since Ali. Tyson would have been had he not emploded.
@sjcthrn5 So lewis was losing before he won because he punched his opponent and won by a stoppage? Rather a lot of fighters are very lucky then........
@@curtismcneil8695 whos rockmen thats not his name
adrianbillionaire tyson worked super hard man its just that before the buster douglas fight he had problems he fired his coach Kevin rooney he teamed up with don king and he didn’t train and was sleeping with woman and shit because of don king if it was kevin rooney he would be strict on tyson
adrianbillionaire tyson worked hard but because of don king and robin givens he lost discipline also he fired kevin rooney
Why isn’t Rocky Balboa, man ended a whole war and not even a mention
Rocky Balboa is not real. He is just a fictional character😂😂😂😂😂😂.
😅😅
rocky marciano must be the boxer you mean.
@@yousha4198 that's called sarcasm
Love it! YouRug and Tonni should go and hide somewhere for missing that quip.
You’re channel really is top drawer Rummy. Love it pal. All the best!
Larry Holmes had a career-defining victory against Ken Norton. That was one the best fights of all time.
Very true, but Holmes also fought a bunch of lackluster fights against not-so-great mandatory challengers. If he had fought that way against any of these 6 other guys, they would have destroyed Holmes. I watched the Holmes-Witherspoon fight live on TV, I scored it for Witherspoon. On the other hand, when Holmes trained hard and was 'on', he could beat anybody on this list too.
That was not prime Norton
Lenox Lewis, his record, power, speed, defence etc. Beat all the best of his era
big george foreman is the second greatest after ali
People are going to have to start considering Tyson Fury in this conversation. He fights like a white Ali.
Jimmy C yes but no Ali is different
@@jimmyc1518 no fucking chance
@@44general56 different in what way? th-cam.com/video/AyP0_YDpWpg/w-d-xo.html
@@CoIumbo yes fucking chance.
tbh Vladimir wasn't the best of his era until Vitali retired for good. Even 40 year old Vitali was better than Vladimir at the time.
The guy has never been knocked down and even gave Lennox a run for his money.
All losses due to injuries in fights where he was ahead on every score card at the time of stoppage.
He also avanged his brother's worst losses. His granite chin is the difference and Vladimir always lacked that.
My thoughts exactly
Vitali has actually never been behind on the scorecards EVER! It’s crazy, goes to show how good of a boxer he was
@@apomtaylor8054 Really? If that's true then that's amazing.
Also Vitaly has a record 41 KO's of 45 fights, which is I one of the best KO/Fight ratios.
Yousef Sobhani yeah it’s 100% true. Even when he lost his fights he was winning on the cards.
I’m not the biggest Vitali fan, but that’s something to be respected I think!
None of these guys, including Ali, would feel too good about looking across the ring at a prime Mike Tyson. His movement, speed, and power were all ludicrous.
Riddick Bowe would kill Tyson in their primes. Tyson didn’t want to fight him at all.
lol, holyfield felt great! (besides the ear thing lol)
@@AdonMaster I think he meant in the late 80s that's when Tyson was at his best
@@malikh7761 they knew each other as children
Mark Sprinkle Ali May have not liked it but his mind games and taunts would’ve beaten Tyson before the fight, Tyson would try to kill Ali and Ali’s speed plus smarts would’ve aloud him to pick his moment when Tyson was gassed out. Tyson is easy second best of all time but you just can’t beat Ali, Tyson’s own words.
They’re all amazing.
Think you have that about right. Holmes was an extremely underrated fighter as he followed on from what was probably the best era ever in heavyweight boxing
Agreed
It's gotta be Lennox Lewis!! He dominated during an absolutely lethal era and avenged both of his losses
Exactly this. He has the best win-loss record against top contenders of any of the other candidates, and achieved all there was to achieve inside the ring. He fought the best, and he beat the best. And he did it with such emphatic power and precision, that the one fighter "The Ring" regarded as better than Lewis for a long stretch (Bowe) actually ducked him by trashing the WBC belt - literally - when Lewis was his mandatory challenger. Lewis, hands down, every day of the week.
Lethal era wtf are you talking about. That was not lethal at all lol. And I think Lewis is a great but that comment is strange. On top of that he got ko'd by 2 average joes while in his prime
1 all vs all time great Rahman, not to mention a fair defeat by McCall and a revenge "win" when McCall was a mental case.
the 90's is widely regarded as the second strongest era in heavyweight history after ali/foreman/frazier etc in the 70's lewis beat or was ducked by every elite level fighter in the 90's. and unified and dominated. was robbed of two clear victories over holyfield with the judges scoring the first fight a draw. i had him winning the first fight (draw)wider than the second fight they gave him the win in. he was clearly the most consistent and dominant fighter and defeated the better fighters over a longer period. calling rahmann average because you dont know his name as well is a joke. go look at his record and who he fought. rahmann was no fucking joke. he could brawl he could box and he mixed it with some of the greatest fighters of the era. as for mccall he had been ranked inside the top ten heavyweights for years and was always there or there abouts. modern example would be luis ortiz good opponent for champions and the gatekeeper for up and coming fighters.
He got slept twice. Glass chin
Big shout from the u.k great channel Rummy 👍
I have to second that(pun intended) :)
Thanks Rummy, great breakdown. One, important thing you haven't mentioned about Holyfield, is that he was in the game for a very long time on a high level. And he should have been the oldest HW champ after fighting Valuiev.
ANTONI KAMINSKI, I AGREE!
He definitely beat Valuev
A high level alright, high on steroids.
Great video Rummy, thought you were going to sit on the fence for a wee moment at the end of the video, Lennox best for me, then Holyfield, then Wald.
In terms of skill Lewis but in terms of had the biggest impact on the sport Tyson.
At his peak, Tyson had skills that rivalled anyone's, and I include Ali.
Tyson knocked out Lenox when they were 18 and 19. Lenox passed out cold. They sparred for 4 days and it was the same every day. Lenox will not release the footage to the public, but he says he has it. He claim that on the 4th day Tyson did not dominate him. But others who were there say Tyson was far superior
@@JeanAlesiagain3 Lol, Lewis was a kid. When they fought in 2002, Lewis demolished him.
I think Holmes and Tyson, in their primes, were the best from this list.
hartsickdisciple Holyfield and Lewis are the best since ali
Jaymoneybagz your answer is incorrect.
@@AnHebrewChild no, Lewis is
Regardless of era, tyson could never beat Lewis, holyfield or even Vitali... prime or not. Lewis is the greatest in my opinion outside Ali
Very true!!!
George foreman is the GOAT because he fought so long
There is no man that has ever lived who could beat Lennox Lewis on his best day. Lewis is the greatest HW of all time. You could definetly make a case for Ali, but I still strongly believe that Lewis would come out on top more often than not.
I dont agree with you, personally i think holyfield was the greatest other than ali, but i respect ur opinion , lewis was very good
@@oisincoen6557 Holyfield had too many holes, Lennox killed him in both fights they had. Obviously Lennox is blessed with him height and reach but on their best days Holyfield couldn’t beat him, nor could he beat Bowe (who was so afraid to fight Lennox he threw his title in a trash can).
Rummy you are an absolute pound for pound legend ✊🏼
It’s a Holmes v Lewis mega fight for me! Battle of the jabs but possibly that massive over the top right of Lewis getting through at some point!?
Maybe in a rematch Lennox never knew what he had
Gotta be Holyfield for me the fact that he moved up from cruiser and dominated the way he did is amazing 3 signature wins with the 2 Tyson fights and the bowe win, a win against an old homes and a game old foreman the only thing that taints him in my mind is sticking around for to long.
roids helped a bit but shhhh
I agree completely. Buuuut he should have won vs. Valuev so it's not thaaat bad he stuck around.
@@jeanmartin1373cry. Tyson constantly threw elbows hit downed opponents and headbutting. Cry more Tyson Stan Tyson got beat.
Lennox Lewis because he beat 1/2 of the other people in the comparison and never fought the others, although he beat Bowe as an amateur.
Easily Lennox Lewis imo
He beat all comers, he probably has one of the best resumes of all time
@Rajyavardhhana ye
Idk how he gets all this credit, he was definitely an amazing boxer but people putting him above Holmes, Klitschko, Holyfield, etc is just insane.
His only names were old men
A 37 yo Evander
A 36 yo Tyson
He definitely has some names like
Frank Bruno and Vitali Klitschko but putting him as the best in the last 40 years is insane
Nah, he faced an old Holyfield and a old Mike Tyson.
@Dynamite please do
@@sittienakan1594 he was older
@@sittienakan1594 lewis was older than tyson
Looking at this list Lennox beat 3 of the 6 and could easily have whooped Bowe and Vladimir. For that reason I rank Lewis #1
He beat Bowe in the amateurs
He beat bowe for Olympic gold medal.
Mike Tyson, the only one who stopped him was himself
overrated
By going to prison
......and Buster Douglas.....and Evander Holyfield.....and Lennox Lewis.
Mike Tyson's greatness is purely based on his impact and hype, not his resume. He lost to most of the elite fighters of his time...
When tyson fought lennox and hollyfield he wasn't the same same tyson from the 80 after prision tyson wasn't the same he lost the passion for boxing at that point and when tyson fought Douglas i know Tyson didnt train for that fight i remenber when he was going to fight him the show tyson partying all the time even few day before the fight the show tyson partying in toky whit a couple of Chinese girl but i bet that hollyfield lewis and Douglas foutht Tyson when hes trainer was cuz D amato he will kill those 3
George Foreman
Holyfield or Lewis the greatest of my era, tyson was most exciting though and my personal favourite.
I think you have to give it to Holyfield. He had the strongest strength of opposition and ducked no one. I’m a Tyson fan and think in his prime he beats them all. But Holyfield has the longevity and the number of big fights to be called the best Heavyweight post Muhammad Ali.
And lost twice to Lewis .. great cruiserweight
Tyson will always be the best to me.
Me too
Me 2 hese a fucking legend
Agreed.
Same here,in his prime unstoppable when he was dedicated until he started having problems outside the ring then his enthusiasm dropped and he became less didicated to training,meaning he became sluggish.Mike Tyson still for me.
Buster Douglas made history beating mike so he in my opinion is best
After Tyson heavyweight stardom never reached that pinnacle
Finally someone who knows boxing do videos definitely suscribed
Lewis gets a nod for me, avenging his defeats to secure his status. He unified and dominated
1. Lennox Lewis (arguably the greatest h2h heavyweight of all time, he had longevity and dominance, he beat every man he ever faced. His only two losses were from lapses in concentration of not taking the opponent seriously, when in form he was basically unbeatable)
2. Wladimir Klitschko (extremely long reign, unbeaten for a decade)
3. Larry Holmes (similar to Wladimir's case, but he reigned for less time, and two losses Vs Spinks do much to discredit him)
4. Evander Holyfield (Awesome fighter)
5. Vitali Klitschko (Dominant, rarely lost a round, never knocked down, 2 losses came from cuts)
6. Mike Tyson (explosive, but untested and failed to rise to the occasion)
7. Riddick Bowe (h2h probably on par with Lewis, but he has less accomplishments than everyone else here)
Man, I was shocked when they pointed out that Bowe's only loss was that majority decision to Holyfield in between his two wins against him. You are right that his career has the fewest quality opponents, though... makes you wonder what could've been with him had he fought more
muhammad
1. Vitali
2. Vladimir
3. Holmes
4. Lewis
5. Tyson
6. Bowe
7. Holyfield
Lenox is a chicken, and boring
i agree but switch holmes and wlad around. wlads losses to guys like purritty and sanders massively discredit him. Im not sure how you think the spinks losses discredit holmes as spinks is arguably the 2nd best light heavyweight of all time and holmes was old. not to mention larry definitely won the reamatch
this is the best video i have ever watched. my personal favourite is Hollyfield, he was in some incredible wars and usually the smaller guy
Mike Tyson man his legacy is crazy and we won't have another like him for a long long while
You have the BEST boxing channel on all of TH-cam
Tough decision. I would have to go with Holmes or Lewis. Both guys deserve a lot more praise.
Absolutely.. But I got Riddick Bowe
I think Holmes suffers from the perception that he was top in a weak era. But he has got a good resume and 20 defences is pretty impressive
Tyson all day. No one put fear in men like Tyson did! New subscriber. Great video!!
One Stop Comic Spot what does putting fear in a person have to do with being the best of an era, Tyson said Evander was scared of the beating he was going to give him, I guess it didn't help Tyson
greatly overrated, not among the top 10 heavyweights
Sonny Liston is far more intimdating, casual fan
Sendou Takeshi this is true liston was definitely the most feared of all time maybe max Baer also who had that rep after he killed a couple dudes in the ring Tyson never killed anybody but he def seemed like he wanted to at times
No one had Don King fixing fights like Tyson either.
Iron Mike in his prime before Don king destroyed him...
He got destroyed in his prime. How can you make a judgment like that when the man never beat no big-name people? You can only judge a fighter’s greatness based on the competition he faced. Mike Tyson never been anybody. A bunch of journeyman tomato cans
Me lol I didn’t even know this video was made 2 yrs ago lol. And also how does this video make sense. No man born from his mother could defeat 85-88 iron mike tyson lmaoo
Iceman3000 so u swear on your mothers life that any of these men could beat the iron man in 85-88? U must be tripping dude
Iceman3000 Lol and if he doesn’t kill your career he’ll just kill you 😂😂😂
No chance
Lennox, Holmes and Holyfield are leauges above any Tyson even "prime" Tyson
Really interesting article and brilliant analysis bud.
I totally agree with those included in your list of seven, and with your reasons for leaving others out.
I fully understand why the K bros chose not to fight each other, but in terms of legacy for discussions such as this, neither truly unified the division whilst they refused to fight each other.
It's a close thing which probably means there is no obvious king post Ali. For me Lennox did it all and is the pick of the bunch. He unified the division, became undisputed, faced mandatories, beat most of his contemporaries, beat great names of his time, from the previous era and the rising star VKlitchko. In 44 pro fights he avenged both of his losses and avenged his only draw. As a pro he even avenged his amateur loss in the Olympics to the very talented Tyrell Biggs.
Retired at the top.
I don't know now why he did not take the mandatories of John Ruiz or Chris Byrd. There were probably good reasons.
Probably Charles Martin
G.O.A.T
He’s definetly up there
your forgetting about peter macnealy !!
gotta some weed?
KodziroHyuga Charles Martin a big fan of the green
You're not giving Larry much credit. He had two huge career defining moments: his fight with Norton was legendary and the 15th round belongs in a time capsule. The second moment was the victory over Cooney. If you were alive for it you knew it was a mega event because of the implication of a possible white heavyweight champion. The president of the United States is said to have called Cooney before the fight. Larry had to face down all that and he did victoriously.
Also re Holmes v Klitschko - Larry's jab and heart would make both Klitschkos quit or get stopped. An old Lewis chopped up Vitali - a prime Holmes with the best jab in the history of boxing would have done far more damage.
And Larry's quality of competition was respectable - Mike Weaver, Earnie Shavers (twice!), and the aforementioned Norton. The fact that no other contender was on Larry's level doesn't mean the division was weak it meant Larry was that good.
Dude, he put him first on his list.
Weaver, Shavers and Norton fights were all before Ali retired so they doesn't count.
Holmes' jab was stellar, you're right. The best though...I don't know, Ali's jab was fantastic too, especially before the forced retirement. And Sonny Liston's...the man's jab was like a freight train moving at full speed
Gud that u didnt mention holmes disrespectfull fight wid M.Ali the king of boxing.
He's giving Larry too much credit actually. He shouldn't even be in this list. Fought in a terrible, weak era of heavyweights and then started losing when guys like Tyson came.
You got this one right Rummy. 48-0 That is the record that Larry Holmes began his career with. And we all know the 49th and 50th against Michael Spinks were train robberies by the judges. It became blatantly obvious in the 2nd Spinks fight that the boxing admins wanted Holmes to go away, so they stole his victory and basically gave it to Spinks for staying on his feet 15 rounds.
I’d go with that. Holmes was a hugely unappreciated champion. Ringsmart, strong chin, stamina and very skillful. He was a victim of reigning over a weak division at the beginning of the 80s. We must remember of course that he sparred a lot with Ali and often made the great man look bad in sparring too.
Good analysis, I'd rate Holmes top as well. Good to see Holyfield getting recognition too.
Holyfield a little too low I have Holyfield at 1 Larry Holmes at 2 Vladimir at 3 Lewis at 4
Another great video rummy
Hi Rummy, We had the same top 2 but I had Tyson in 3rd and Bowe 4th..I love this stuff, ty brother
Keep them coming rummy great work... and you DO know your shit about boxing 👍👍👍
I would say lewis is best
tyson had potential he's my favorite no doubted prolly the best fighter in his prime but bad decisions and negative influence messed it all up
I say lewis he's was invincible
Sunny Liston smartest and definitely took the least damage of every fighter on the list.
I think Lennox Lewis was the best after Ali
Me too and the other after Lewis is vitali than bowe
@Jimmy Green no its not laughable
I think so as well
Nah
Definetly.
He was never fully accepted by the UK, even though he was born there and he definitely wasn't accepted in the States as an elite champ by everybody.
If he would have been a UK darling such as Frank Bruno/AJ or born in the States, I believe he'd be regarded as a far greater fighter than what he gets credit for.
What a well put video!
Started following boxing during the Joshua-Wilder era but i've watched a few videos about previous champs and ey... I'm with Lennox Lewis😬
joe frazier and george foreman would've beat almost all people since that era too, would love to see prime joe frazier vs mike tyson :O
I'd take Frazier in that fight.
Me too, That's one of the best fantasy fights. Either one could knock the other out at any time but I'd take Frazier to take Tyson into the deep waters and drown him.
Mitsi Grabblerberg he didnt have a glass jaw he didnt have no granite chin either but chill with the glass jaw remarks 😂😂🤣
@@englishguy9680 If Foreman couldn't do it, no one in the history of Boxing could knock Joe out. He was a monster in that regard.
Amazing fight, but don t think Joe could resist more than 3 round with Mike in his prime.
Ali
Tyson
Foreman
3 best of all time don’t @ me
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Joe Frazier...
Two out three ain't bad
Then stfu bc you left out Joe Louis Dempsey Jack Johnson even Marciano
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Prime Holmes, Tyson and Holyfield would walk through any of the lads from the last 10 - 15 years. Heavyweight boxing used to be exciting. These days it's just not worth watching.
The promblem with holmes is no buddy likes him cuz what he did to the goat
@@blacksmith3441 especially watching Tyson fury vs deontay wilder
Holyfield has always been one of my favorite fighters. I am especially reminded of what a tough bassturd he is watching his losses. Warrior is right! Always in top shape, never ducked a fight, never quit, fought all comers and never got bullied by anyone and they were nearly all bigger than him.
Your voice is perfect for this subject 😁
You could easily be a boxing commentator
Lennox Lewis . By far .
Lennox Lewis, he faced all the top fighters in a golden era for heavyweight boxing and retired with no unavenged defeats, Tyson in his prime struggled twice against Ruddock, Lewis destroyed Ruddock.
Tyson was well past his prime by Ruddock, it was all downhill after Spinks.
He was only 21 when he fought Spinks
Lewis struggled with Bruno. Lewis didtnt beat Prime Tyson Prime holyfield Prime bowe and he was lucky with Klischko
@@robertkulikowski6380 Tyson paid Lewis 4 million in step aside money when he was WBC champ, Bowe surrendered the belt instead of facing Lewis
@@JohnSmith-oe5kx Stupid idiot. He was only 21 when i fought Spinks. You mean that he's prime was in 3 years only?
Lennox Lewis by far, he had all, dominated the most challenging era in heavyweight boxing, avenged his two only career loses and retired on top
3:21 Rocky Balboa watching in the front row
Nice catch!
He watched Ali vs Larry too.
Though as you say his prime was not long , I say it was TYSON , As first: his mere emerging from nowhere was like the first atomic bomb emerging. Second, his style was specific, a killer style, intimidating to death.
Nope,his "prime" is what casuals keep echoing
Great fighters find a way
Ali beat foreman when Ali was long past his "prime"
Lewis beat Klitschko when he was long past his "prime"
Foreman beat moorer to become champ when he was almost 20 years past his "prime"
Holmes went the distance with holyfield when he was long past his "prime"
Holyfield beat Tyson twice when evander was way past his "prime"
Mike was over rated to the moon and back ,he never once beat any true quality
@@deanwaller8283 bullshit. Larry holmes,spinks and many more
Lewis was a monstrmer underrated, besides, he defeated the bests of his hera except Bowe that always avoided him...
Period...
Samuel LAURENT no lmao. The first time they couldn’t get an agreement done. The second Lewis lost to Oliver McCall... please tell me do you know who Oliver McCall is? Neither does anyone else lmao. So no it was your boy Lewis who lost the opportunity.
Lennox Lewis?? Aaaahahah, ahahaha ahahaha. Yeah right! Lennox Lewis came along after everyone's hey day passed. And he still barely flashed in the pan. Man he was boring to watch to boot
Ali also known as "no remach for foreman i cant win again the same way, he will destroy me and i cant lie how i am the best ever"
Oh please. Ali beat a prime Foreman in his 30s. God knows what he'd do to him if he was 27.
You can t compare a boxer with a slaughter
He was no longer the first contender when he needed to fight him.
Exactly. Ali was making Foreman chase that rematch and never gave it too him. He had to leave and comeback to take it back from Moore.
@@cebapplejak5997 no Applejack it was after George Foreman got his ass kicked by Jimmy Young
Always great analysis
You sir, you know your boxing. I love this video. Finally someone who logically explains the best since, and even explains it by saying Larry Holmes [after Ali]. Not many people truly understood the greatness of Larry.
Larry was just very unlucky in many ways when it came to earning respect. What would you say were Larry's 3 most impressive career victories?
His absolute domination over Randall Tex Cobb, his knockout victory against Gerry Cooney, and his close decision over Earnie Shavers. In my opinion, at least.
@@Nkosinati Shavers, Norton and Witherspoon.
johnny ghabach u know nothing abt boxing kid🤫
Rummy, great stuff as always, never fails to be thought-provoking.
Thanks for finally (in my perception) giving Lennox Lewis some love. He always fought up to or down to his level of competition, which was his only flaw as well as what made him an extraordinary champion. It meant he dominated top-tier competition every time and only lost occasionally when he got bored by the matchup and got lazy. He avenged all of those losses, of course.
I'm happy to see you acknowledge that Bowe was an inferior fighter relative to Lewis, because it has always been my impression that you give Bowe too much credit, especially for a guy who threw the WBC belt in the trash to duck a guy he knew would beat him.
I sincerely mean thank you for giving the nod to Lewis here, not in a sarcastic way. With the way Lewis destroyed Golata and the way he toyed with and methodically dismantled Tyson, I just can't see any other heavyweight since Ali having a stronger claim to being the best than Lennox Lewis.
British folks have accused me of being a "homer' for fellow American Deontay Wilder as basically a nightmare matchup for Anthony Joshua in my opinion. But that's not about me being an American, that's my opinion from analyzing those two fighters. My opinion is also that Brit/Canadian Lennox Lewis was by far the best heavyweight since Muhammad Ali, so it's not about where I happened to be born.
0:24 Eddie Hearn "I've never heard of lineal champion".
Very conscious arguments and list,congrats
IRON MIKE TYSON OBVIOUSLY
Ash Newby who'd he beat worth mentioning? All big name fighters Tyson fought he lost
@jessesam ur kidding right? Holmes was definitely over the hill n at the end of his career. Lots of wear n tear on that body mind. Tyson was young fresh n basically in his prime not alot of miles on his odometer. If it was vice versa Holmes would've flattened Tyson. Tyson was the goat on punching a heavy bag n destroying washed up or average boxers
Ridiculous, tyson dominated the weakest era in heavyweight boxing history for a couple of years, got dominated and knocked out by james douglas (Who was no great shake himself) got whooped twice by a faded holyfeild who was the first all time great he fought and got dominated and knocked out by an ageing lewis who was the second and last all time great he fought. He ducked a 40 year old george foreman, never got it on with any of the top guys of the 90's such as tua, morrison, mercer, just fought cab driver after cab driver with the occasional semi decent heavyweight such as razor rudduck an tony tucker and when he did face a half decent opponent like rudduck or tucker he struggled and went 12 rounds and when he fought Elite opposition he got dominated and lost. and you consider that the greatest heavyweight since Ali? pull your head out the sand.
Everyone I knew back in 1988 thought this way - they all thought Tyson was unbeatable... I still remember (like it was yesterday) being in our college dorm and watching the Tyson/Douglas fight... when Douglas knocked him out we ran up to the arena where the men's hoops team was playing and just started telling everyone we could find that Tyson had lost... and no one believed us until they announced it over the PA system. Then everyone figured that the one loss was a fluke, and that Tyson was still the best there was... no one ever bothered noticing that he was consistently ducking the fighters that defined the sport in the 1990s - Morrison, Moorer, Mercer, Foreman, Bowe - only fought Holyfield once he thought Holyfield was shot, and only fought Lewis when he was at the end and desperate (and, whatever anyone says about him being 'past his prime' in that fight, he was a year younger than Lewis). Mike Tyson was a carefully-managed con game that wasn't nearly as good as his image made him look to be.
@@generalkang1969 you have to fight either lennox, foreman, Mercer, Douglas or Tyson ? no one would pick Tyson 😂 are you sure it was just him doing the ducking?
You are using an incorrect criteria by comparing champions of different eras in hypothetical matchups. Interestingly enough ESPN did a whole series on who the late Bert Randolph Sugar considered to be the top 10 Heavyweights of all time. Larry Holmes was one of the people interviewed and he infuriated Sugar when he flirted with the hypothetical matchup between Joe Louis and Muhammad Ali for the number 1 spot. That criteria is wrong.
Plus let’s focus on Wladimir Klitschko. He should be number 1. He fought more undefeated contenders than either Larry Holmes or Lennox Lewis. He fought more Southpaws than Lennox Lewis ever did. And he fought longer as champion than Larry Holmes and had two title reigns; Holmes had only one. Plus this idea of a weak era that infected the Klitschko era is absurd. Boxing may have died in USA after Mike Tyson retired but is saw a renaissance in Europe, particularly Eastern Europe. What do you expect from Wladimir Klitschko? To lose to any of the undefeated contenders that he beat that way it would look like there was decent competition? The fact that he remained undefeated for 10 years (8/9 of those years as champion) especially after his career was pronounced dead after his third defeat is very impressive. What’s more impressive about the man is that unlike Larry Holmes in his own comeback in his 40s, Wladimir in his 40s came very close to defeating the young lion Anthony Joshua in what was a far more competitive fight than Holmes-Holyfield or Holmes-Tyson. Wladimir in that defeat to Joshua earned more respect than he did for remaining undefeated for ten years (it sucks working hard).
Plus you need to give George Foreman the benefit of the doubt. This two time champion and boxing legend fought a very competitive losing effort with a prime Evander Holyfield (people feared incorrectly that it would be another Holmes-Ali). Foreman’s comeback was pronounced dead when he was outclassed by Tommy Morrison for his bid for the WBO title. Like Wladimir, Foreman proved his critics wrong by defeating the Southpaw Michael Moorer (who had two advantages in defeating a prime Holyfield and having the respected trainer Teddy Atlas in his corner). Foreman beat the odds and defeated the Southpaw by outsmarting the opposition. Foreman really should have lost to that German boxer (Axel Schulz?) but then again he should have really won against Shannon Briggs (who was in his prime!). Foreman deserves the benefit of the doubt.
@mabood1212 imo defeating an undefeated fighter means absolutely nothing because anyone can fight bums and have a 20 or 30 and 0 record. If you actually breakdown Lewis', Holmes', and Klitschko's record and look at the level of opposition beaten, Lewis comes out miles ahead. Morrison, Mercer, McCall, Briggs, Tyson, Holyfield, Tua, Rahman, Vitali Klitschko, Bruno, Golota and the list goes on!
Also Holmes beat 9 undefeated contenders whilst being champion and Klitschko beat 10.
Trainers and out of the ring manners/ circumstances are so underrated
Imo you’re by far the best boxing analyst that I know off, maybe it’s because I agree with your opinions and you go deeper in the analysis, lol. I’d put Lewis in 1st though. Great video!
If Lennox was an American he'd be considered GOAT. Fought everybody, beat everybody. Got skills, size, KO power in both hands.
because he got knocked out twice when he shouldn't have. Otherwise he would be considered better.
Got beat by Oliver McCall and Rockman. Was losing to Vlad before his elbow cut Vlad's eye. He didn't want a rematch and retired. Yea he was great though.
No if he would have fought and beat Tyson and Holyfield earlier in their careers he would be considered the GOAT and a pro win over Bowe wouldnt have hurt either and yes dipshit i know it wasnt Lewis fault he didnt fight Bowe
Please.
You must be un American