I enjoyed the movie for the exact same reasons you guys did. Even though it's a spoiler-filled review I'll put my thoughts under "read more." Yes, Cap and Eric, the reason a lot of people hate the movie is because they made Hush the Riddler instead of Thomas Elliott. That's what every hateful comment about the movie boils down to. "They ruined it! Hush is supposed to be Thomas Elliott! Where are the Aristotle quotes?! Where's the Clayface pretends to be Jason scene?!" All complaints I've heard the last few weeks since the digital release on July 20. When I was younger I also loved the Hush comic. It blew my mind. As I got older, I realized it's nowhere near as coherent as I thought. So, I was absolutely fine with twist. It honestly really increased my enjoyment of the film. Also, I think Catwoman was also mad at Batman for trying so desperately to save Riddler because the building was blowing up. Batman would have died if he remained there any longer. Catwoman couldn't understand why Batman would die for someone like Riddler who put them through this nightmare.
Maybe they will do a crossover with Vampirella. God knows Batman can use the help. Batman will be dust by the time Tom King hits issue #85 and Vampirella will be all the rage. The World's Greatest Detective couldn't figure out he is stuck in the same Psycho-Pirate plot device for almost 2 years.
John Earley I wouldn't be so sure, Jim Lee's art is incredible but it very much is what I would call "classic comic book art" and it didn't seem too out of place to see it adapted with this New 52 continuity art style they have, but Tim Sale's is too unique I feel, too different to adapt it this way... That being said, if they decide to adapt Long Halloween, I hope they don't do Dark Victory afterward, it'd be a waste of a movie since it's the exact same story but it pretends it's a sequel... @@dondraper3898 I can't help but wonder what prompted you to post two rants about Tom King's Batman in this comment section? Like, I get it, you don't like it, I'm not judging but within the context of people talking about Hush I don't see why this is relevant or why you decided to compare it to Vampirella (I've actually never read a Vampirella comic, are they actually bad?) ?
Hush is a love letter to the Batman character, and the more you know of the character's mythos, the better. I like how creative this adds all these important characters from Batman's history into one major storyline. It's also funny, and has a great balance of darkness. I like the mystery quite a bit, and all the detective work. This lazarus pit-enhanced Riddler or Hush is awesome; he's menacing and very interesting for Bruce to go up against. He knew exactly how to push Batman's buttons; and the scene with the Joker outside the theater was excellent! Hush got Batman to snap on the Joker and almost kill him because he really cared for his friend, and will now never get to get closer as Bruce wanted. It's ridiculously well done when you think about where and when Thomas Elliott was killed; outside in an alley, after a play in a theater! This is Hush torturing Bruce by making him relive THAT night. Just genius! It felt like the Riddler this time around was definitely more like John Cramer a.k.a Jigsaw, which was awesome! I also appreciated Knightwing's inclusion and that he was here a fair amount, and added to the action and comedy a good bit. Bruce and Selena were also very good together, it's sad they ultimately didn't work-out. I'm giving this a 10 out of 10; and it actually gets there for me because of their final conversation which ends in their breakup, and it split them up with good reason. I can't even fully fault either of them, and get where they're coming from. Sidenote; I found it interesting how the lazarus pit made Edward Nigma smarter and pretty much cleared his mind for him to realize who Batman is and ideas to manipulate a number of his rogues gallery, and even Superman. Now, sure you could make the story a little tighter, say by removing Batgirl altogether, including her brief fight with Catwoman, and have maybe Knightwing take him in to recover, but again, this is a celebration of Batman and his mythos so I don't see it as an issue to say, dock a point.
The Hush story was an artifact of its time. After the Batman & Robin movie, the buyout by WB in the early '90s, and the comic crash thereafter, Batman - like Spider-Man and Superman in the late '90s - was a dead brand. Hush was a fanservice-laden, obvious attempt to apply heart massage to a dying franchise, by jamming as many beloved characters and callbacks to popular stories as possible into a single lackluster narrative, and having Jim Lee draw it all. It worked. But it was bad. And really should have been called out for it at the time. DC is at its worst when it decrees that a story must be written for editorial reasons, instead of waiting for a good story pitch, and Hush is emblematic of that syndrome. Doesn't hold up any better as an animated film a decade and a half after-the-fact, I'm afraid.
Batman/Superman Public Enemies sort of the blew my mind when I was a kid, it was my first grown up comic that wasn't all ages. I know it's not good, but it holds a special place in my heart like Hush does for some people, ironic because they were both written by Jeph Loeb.
Still like Hush as much as i did in 2003. Its still in my top 5 Batbooks, needing to be 13 to enjoy Hush as a comic it is kind of a slap in the face to say. just being honest. Sometimes a comic can just be bombast just for that. its the experience that make it work... for me. Is it the best written story ever... no but does it have to be? It can be just fun and works just on that level. If this book was not as well thought of as it is still is to this day then this film would have never happen. So saying Hush is not good and only works if your 13... then why was it made if its as bad as you say it is. Its your choice to say that but that's a blanket statement and not all feel that way, not by a long shot.
Probably because the thirteen year olds who grew up with it are old enough to buy it. As for the comic, I say it being made for 13 year olds somewhat applies at least in the sense that it does contain alot of elements that I would expect to see in an animated tv show. I would also say the same about death of superman so to each their own.
Hush is a fun read but it’s basically batman fan service the art book and before heart of hush, tommy eliot is a weak and generic villain. After a few rewatches I really enjoy this movie and for me it’s fun as a batman fan. compared to the comic, I appreciate the changes even more.
15:34 But Cap, isn't it obviously that it helps tell the audience why he snapped on the Joker the way he did, because he really cared for his friend and will now never get to get closer as Bruce wanted
Btw it's ridiculously well done when you think about where and when Thomas Elliott was killed: Outside in an Alley, After a Play in a Theater! This is Hush torturing Bruce by making him relive THAT night. Just genius!
Riddler being a physically superior fighter to Bafman, so much so that it took Batman & Catwoman both to beat him made NO sense. Beyond that it felt really short.
I wouldn't say he was a superior fighter. He just was a lot stronger with more endurance because of the Lazarus Pit. He spent most of the fight swinging his cane around. I'd say Batman wasn't operating at his best because the other obstacles he faced throughout the film wore him down a bit (which was Riddler's plan).
I thought that at the end catwoman should have told Batman he was going to die and she chose to save him not the riddler. Batman looks at her like he didn’t care. Then I could buy into he is crazy line.
I agree that the Hush comic is overrated and that it's kind of a Batman book for new fans but I would never say that it's straight up BAD or that it's only written for 13 year olds. I read it a few months ago, the art is amazing and the story is still OK. I would agree with Logan that there are good moments in Hush that make it memorable but overall the story is just really safe, the ending is anti climactic and they don't actually do anything with Hush himself. I prefer the story Heart of Hush over the original because they did a lot more with the villain to make him feel like a real threat. Though, the artwork is much better in Hush over Heart of Hush and I think that's why people like it so much. It has really good art and memorable visuals but the story itself is very average and forgettable.
Your problem with The Long Halloween seems to just be certain plot details. That comic works for me more on aesthetics and themes, plot has never been that important to me.
It's not just the ending, nor is it unfamiliarity with the source material. I could barely get a half hour into it before I had to turn it off. In my personal opinion, the animation was absolute garbage, and it just reeked of trying so hard to be "mature" that it comes off like a 14 year olds idea of what adult material is like. I'm gonna end up finishing it sooner or later, and I'm curious what this divisive ending is gonna be. It's not like the ending of the comic was very good to begin with.
I didn't care for it. The comic isn't great but I like it as a "Batman fights a lot of his rogues gallery story". This was just underwhelming and lame and it didn't have to be.
Who even wants these 52 movies at this point
I enjoyed the movie for the exact same reasons you guys did. Even though it's a spoiler-filled review I'll put my thoughts under "read more."
Yes, Cap and Eric, the reason a lot of people hate the movie is because they made Hush the Riddler instead of Thomas Elliott. That's what every hateful comment about the movie boils down to. "They ruined it! Hush is supposed to be Thomas Elliott! Where are the Aristotle quotes?! Where's the Clayface pretends to be Jason scene?!" All complaints I've heard the last few weeks since the digital release on July 20. When I was younger I also loved the Hush comic. It blew my mind. As I got older, I realized it's nowhere near as coherent as I thought. So, I was absolutely fine with twist. It honestly really increased my enjoyment of the film. Also, I think Catwoman was also mad at Batman for trying so desperately to save Riddler because the building was blowing up. Batman would have died if he remained there any longer. Catwoman couldn't understand why Batman would die for someone like Riddler who put them through this nightmare.
This movie won a daytime Emmy award for outstanding sound design.
If we ever get Batman: The Long Halloween and Dark Victory, it'll be set in this stupid New 52 Universe! :(
Man, that sucks.
Maybe they will do a crossover with Vampirella. God knows Batman can use the help. Batman will be dust by the time Tom King hits issue #85 and Vampirella will be all the rage. The World's Greatest Detective couldn't figure out he is stuck in the same Psycho-Pirate plot device for almost 2 years.
John Earley I wouldn't be so sure, Jim Lee's art is incredible but it very much is what I would call "classic comic book art" and it didn't seem too out of place to see it adapted with this New 52 continuity art style they have, but Tim Sale's is too unique I feel, too different to adapt it this way... That being said, if they decide to adapt Long Halloween, I hope they don't do Dark Victory afterward, it'd be a waste of a movie since it's the exact same story but it pretends it's a sequel...
@@dondraper3898 I can't help but wonder what prompted you to post two rants about Tom King's Batman in this comment section? Like, I get it, you don't like it, I'm not judging but within the context of people talking about Hush I don't see why this is relevant or why you decided to compare it to Vampirella (I've actually never read a Vampirella comic, are they actually bad?) ?
I don't think so in this universe nightwing and two face already exist
And I think the general audience arent yet ready for prequels yet
Well your in luck. There doing a two parter film set in its own self contained universe.
Heart of Hush is the only truly great Thomas Elliott story.
They should've just adapted that story.
@@SolarDragon007 Yep! Maybe someday!
Hush is a love letter to the Batman character, and the more you know of the character's mythos, the better. I like how creative this adds all these important characters from Batman's history into one major storyline. It's also funny, and has a great balance of darkness. I like the mystery quite a bit, and all the detective work. This lazarus pit-enhanced Riddler or Hush is awesome; he's menacing and very interesting for Bruce to go up against. He knew exactly how to push Batman's buttons; and the scene with the Joker outside the theater was excellent! Hush got Batman to snap on the Joker and almost kill him because he really cared for his friend, and will now never get to get closer as Bruce wanted. It's ridiculously well done when you think about where and when Thomas Elliott was killed; outside in an alley, after a play in a theater! This is Hush torturing Bruce by making him relive THAT night. Just genius! It felt like the Riddler this time around was definitely more like John Cramer a.k.a Jigsaw, which was awesome! I also appreciated Knightwing's inclusion and that he was here a fair amount, and added to the action and comedy a good bit. Bruce and Selena were also very good together, it's sad they ultimately didn't work-out. I'm giving this a 10 out of 10; and it actually gets there for me because of their final conversation which ends in their breakup, and it split them up with good reason. I can't even fully fault either of them, and get where they're coming from. Sidenote; I found it interesting how the lazarus pit made Edward Nigma smarter and pretty much cleared his mind for him to realize who Batman is and ideas to manipulate a number of his rogues gallery, and even Superman. Now, sure you could make the story a little tighter, say by removing Batgirl altogether, including her brief fight with Catwoman, and have maybe Knightwing take him in to recover, but again, this is a celebration of Batman and his mythos so I don't see it as an issue to say, dock a point.
The Hush story was an artifact of its time.
After the Batman & Robin movie, the buyout by WB in the early '90s, and the comic crash thereafter, Batman - like Spider-Man and Superman in the late '90s - was a dead brand.
Hush was a fanservice-laden, obvious attempt to apply heart massage to a dying franchise, by jamming as many beloved characters and callbacks to popular stories as possible into a single lackluster narrative, and having Jim Lee draw it all. It worked. But it was bad. And really should have been called out for it at the time. DC is at its worst when it decrees that a story must be written for editorial reasons, instead of waiting for a good story pitch, and Hush is emblematic of that syndrome.
Doesn't hold up any better as an animated film a decade and a half after-the-fact, I'm afraid.
Funnily enough, I feel like at least a good 80% of everything Loeb touches is an artifact of it's time.
Ironically, I was returning the film to redbox when I saw this video was posted.
I honestly forgot this movie existed
Batman/Superman Public Enemies sort of the blew my mind when I was a kid, it was my first grown up comic that wasn't all ages. I know it's not good, but it holds a special place in my heart like Hush does for some people, ironic because they were both written by Jeph Loeb.
I have that with Spider-Man Reign.
Still like Hush as much as i did in 2003. Its still in my top 5 Batbooks, needing to be 13 to enjoy Hush as a comic it is kind of a slap in the face to say. just being honest. Sometimes a comic can just be bombast just for that. its the experience that make it work... for me. Is it the best written story ever... no but does it have to be? It can be just fun and works just on that level. If this book was not as well thought of as it is still is to this day then this film would have never happen. So saying Hush is not good and only works if your 13... then why was it made if its as bad as you say it is. Its your choice to say that but that's a blanket statement and not all feel that way, not by a long shot.
Probably because the thirteen year olds who grew up with it are old enough to buy it. As for the comic, I say it being made for 13 year olds somewhat applies at least in the sense that it does contain alot of elements that I would expect to see in an animated tv show. I would also say the same about death of superman so to each their own.
Hush is a fun read but it’s basically batman fan service the art book and before heart of hush, tommy eliot is a weak and generic villain.
After a few rewatches I really enjoy this movie and for me it’s fun as a batman fan. compared to the comic, I appreciate the changes even more.
Why the hell can’t they just straight adapt stories to animation ?!
WHY must everything be in the new new 52 continuity ?!
I disagree with Eric, if Batman can tolerate the Ninja Turtles he can tolerate Spidey.
Probably not as a full time sidekick, other than Leo obviously and maybe Donnie.
15:34 But Cap, isn't it obviously that it helps tell the audience why he snapped on the Joker the way he did, because he really cared for his friend and will now never get to get closer as Bruce wanted
Btw it's ridiculously well done when you think about where and when Thomas Elliott was killed: Outside in an Alley, After a Play in a Theater! This is Hush torturing Bruce by making him relive THAT night. Just genius!
_Suicide Squad: Hell to Pay_ had Two-Face is Professor Pyg's first scene.
eric has the epic kansas beard
Riddler being a physically superior fighter to Bafman, so much so that it took Batman & Catwoman both to beat him made NO sense. Beyond that it felt really short.
I wouldn't say he was a superior fighter. He just was a lot stronger with more endurance because of the Lazarus Pit. He spent most of the fight swinging his cane around. I'd say Batman wasn't operating at his best because the other obstacles he faced throughout the film wore him down a bit (which was Riddler's plan).
Batman: Hush(both the comics and the movie) was so “meh”. I definitely can’t see myself returning to this anytime soon.
I've heard the "Heart of Hush" comic is way better than the original Hush story.
I thought that at the end catwoman should have told Batman he was going to die and she chose to save him not the riddler. Batman looks at her like he didn’t care. Then I could buy into he is crazy line.
If they adapt Kingdom Come in this new 52 continuity I probably won't watch it on principle.
I don’t know why they would, considering they didn’t do Gotham by Gaslight in this continuity and more than likely won’t do that to Red Son
I agree that the Hush comic is overrated and that it's kind of a Batman book for new fans but I would never say that it's straight up BAD or that it's only written for 13 year olds. I read it a few months ago, the art is amazing and the story is still OK. I would agree with Logan that there are good moments in Hush that make it memorable but overall the story is just really safe, the ending is anti climactic and they don't actually do anything with Hush himself. I prefer the story Heart of Hush over the original because they did a lot more with the villain to make him feel like a real threat. Though, the artwork is much better in Hush over Heart of Hush and I think that's why people like it so much. It has really good art and memorable visuals but the story itself is very average and forgettable.
Do a commentary with Eric on Hush!
Hold up, do cap and Eric hate the long Halloween?
Eric hates everything in life so safe to assume yes
They re-reviewed that book recently and thought it doesn't hold up on a story level.
Alright. Well... I guess I’ll try it, then
So who was Hush calling "professor" right before he went and dug up Dr. Elliott's body???
Dang this movie was so similar to Arkham city
Your problem with The Long Halloween seems to just be certain plot details. That comic works for me more on aesthetics and themes, plot has never been that important to me.
That's kind of bad comsidering comic normally have plots.
Eric needs a haircut!!
No, he looks great.
It's not just the ending, nor is it unfamiliarity with the source material. I could barely get a half hour into it before I had to turn it off. In my personal opinion, the animation was absolute garbage, and it just reeked of trying so hard to be "mature" that it comes off like a 14 year olds idea of what adult material is like. I'm gonna end up finishing it sooner or later, and I'm curious what this divisive ending is gonna be. It's not like the ending of the comic was very good to begin with.
So when are they getting back to making good DC Animated films?
Every movie that’s not part of the 52verse is pretty awesome: JL: Gods and Monsters, Assault on Arkham, JL vs Fatal Five, Batman vs TMNT
@@normansmith9009 True. When are they going to kill the 52verse? I have no problem with a running continuity if it's good.
I didn't care for it. The comic isn't great but I like it as a "Batman fights a lot of his rogues gallery story". This was just underwhelming and lame and it didn't have to be.
Sorry to disagree with you, but hush (the graphic novel) is amazing. Period.
Bad.
the movie sucked
Jeph Loeb is a crappy writer and his son is dead.
Im not everbginna get used to swering in these films. Ever.
There has been swearing in animation since the 80’s and swearing in superhero comics since the 70’s.