I owned a Porsche 944 S2 for three years. When I sold it (perhaps my biggest regret) I got 50% more than I paid for it. So owning that car and driving/maintaining it for three years actually made me money.
I’ve owned several classic cars. Buy what you like, drive & enjoy them. If you break even or make money when you sell, you’ve done well for yourself. You can’t compare cars to other investments. You have to take into account all of the related coats. Insurance, storage, & a LOT of maintenance to keep a car running well that’s not driven very often & not reliable like new cars.
Watched a few of these classic car investment videos. Hard to believe the Nissan Skyline is not mentioned directly. Been keeping an eye on these for the last 8 years and they've gone up over 300%.
It’s probably because they have gone up so much in price. Most of these cars are relatively cheap still and like you pointed out skylines have already gone up. It’s because of the fast and furious and Paul walkers passing and the 90s kids scooping them up at every opportunity
@@blaketaylor9850 well now we're over 30 years old + and potentially have the cash + we're still young to enjoy sports / funny / old cars of our youth , we bathed in them !
I have a 1984 Pontiac Trans Am, a complete unmolested car with original paint. I only use ACDelco replacement parts when I can find them. Absolutely love this car, so much fun to drive
Exactly right, They are all way overpriced, The moron`s buying these at insane prices are deluded, For the sake of one part you just as well scrap the car, Very few people at all brought these cars, Most of whom are probably dead by now or don`t drive, So there is no connection to them, The UK Government has always led a terrorist campaign against the British motorist, Especially the poorer motorist, Sot he sooner they ban petrol and diesel engines and shut the filling stations the better
I'm glad to see the value of the Alpine GTA increasing after many years at bargain basement prices. The astronomical original A110 prices and the resurgence of Alpine with the new model and F1 visibility will surely make the GTA a good candidate.
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Lexus GS430 Sport. I've had mine for 7 years now & there are no plans to change. Standard GS ser II styling but with lightly tweaked & lowered suspension, spoilers, mesh grill & gorgeous 18" Oz wheels. Sport 430's were sold by Lexus from late 2003 to early 2005, only about 18 months. Unsuprisingly, they're a very rare sight on British roads today.
UK viewer here, I own a 1988 Trans Am GTA black on black with 5.7 engine, leather, Digital Dash, LSD, the space invaders dash was only on the 87/88 models making it a rare combination, especially as mine has dealer installed T Top roof that was not factory available with the 5.7 engine until 1989. Its my 4th Trans Am. Its now very hard to find a nice one as they were cheap in the past and often neglected.
Great analysis. I would like to add Granada mk2, Porsche Boxster gen1, Range Rover P38, Ford Crown Victoria, Mustang fox body, Volvo C70 convertible gen 1, Saab 9-5 Aero 00-05, Saab 9-3 Turbo x, Jeep WJ Overland, Mercedes S-class W140, Lexus LX 470 and Jaguar x300-308. Some of these may be a PITA to own tho.. 😅
Great channel and topic! One factor in future classics is also keeping it running in good shape. Appreciation needs to be able to outpace the cost of ownership. For instance, a Ferrari F355 especially in a 6 speed is almost a guarantee for appreciation. But if you’ve had one and kept it regularly serviced, it’s highly unlikely you will profit in total given frequently brutal maintenance and repair.
I think you really have to do your own maintenance, did a new flywheel/clutch on my BMW Z3, if I had to pay someone it would have been too much, same with my 80s sailboat, replaced the trans and many many other things, only way to stay on the right side of an investment.
I think the Jaguar MK 2 is a good classic to look for. They are very well built and the engine is very solid with a great sound.They have been in different TV shows.
One of the best videos I seen. Thanks for that!! I think best investments (some not mentioned in comments & yes some already spiked in price) will be: Mazda Rx7. Early 2000s obnoxious v8 long wheelbase Jags. 65-70 coupe deville convertible. Mustang Cobra 03-04. Porsche 944 s2 (turbo if lucky) good luck. I like the LS400 as sleeper
Definitely Honda CRX and also VW corrado VR6 and golf r32. BMW e31 massively on the rise especially original looked after ones with low ownership, and remember classic cars are a tax free investment too....
Agree most of that. Had to be desirable or game changer when new. Eg first Audi TT. Jag XK8 wasn’t coveted on release but makes you feel special. And the e46 M3 was coveted! In the future, people will likely have a ICE as a toy so look for sports/ convertible/ do everything (SUV), and were talk of the town when released.
@@BrownCarGuy I think that GM used John DeLorean's idea of wedge shaped vehicles, even after JZD's departure in the 70s. If I remember correctly, at the time of the 3rd gen Firebird/Trans Am's release in late 1981, it had close to, if not the lowest drag coefficient for it's time, at .032. That has been eclipsed since then
i just bought a 1988 celica SX internally mint for ~$5k after getting it roadworthy. Cant lose on that. i reckon bmw 8 series from the 90s will go up too.
I am a British Motor Engineer in New Zealand, I have a 87 XJSC with only 118000KM V12. They only made about 3500 of these, mine rust free in top condition, here only worth 12000 pounds.
Lovely pic of you and your old CelicaSupra, was an instant classic the moment it came out. Was underrated/ forgotten for a time but not now. Here's one I think will be an even bigger classic if it isn't already the US Ford FalconFutura, what a design, the back is longer than the front. Just remembered the Futura is not an 80s car so how about the gold ol escort mk 3 XR3i/ turbo ?
Thanks! You might enjoy this browncarguy.com/2019/01/11/my-toyota-supra-story/ Futura is niche but nice, Escorts, especially performance variants are rocketing in value now.
Wow! We like the same cars. I just noticed the Roger Moore's Esprit S1 in 007 and the McQueen's mustang of Bullitt. I love the Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 3rd gen since my youth thanks to Knight Rider. Excellent review my friend 😃👍
That daily driver that will grab nostalgia, SAAB. Nobody will be able to estimate the price of a Viggen or Hirsch model in a few years, maybe a few years more if you’re a low mileage person. Modern Classics to me
@@BrownCarGuy it's almost original except wheels and exhaust , drives beautiful and often turns a head , have also got complete car stripped for parts ,,, the parts are very hard to get hold of now so thought best to prepare ,,
@@tbone1759 I was tempted to buy the 150bhp one a few years back, got MK2 CRX instead, if I had space and garages I'd have MK2 and 3 Prelude to go with CRX mk1
I wonder why nobody talks about the bulletproof W124. It certainly is a future classic and the 500E versions are going for big numbers. the cheaper alternatives I believe would be the W124 300e coupe and the W124 300e AMG.
1980's Supercharged MR2 AW11... Built by Toyota, based on Lotus concept car and engine built by Toyota, based on Cosworth design.... What's not to love... Oh, and I have one 😁
Ive had three classics over time, Lotus Europa Special bought 4,000 pounds ( but stolen 4 years later ). Capri 2.8 3,700 and sold after 3 years 2,000. Finally XJS Convertible V12 bought for 10,000 sold 4 years later 6,000 Oh! How I wish I still had them!
I came upon this video accidentally and I'm sure glad I did. Very interesting and insightful. A car you touched on briefly that I think is still a great value is the Porsche 928. The 928 was the first Porsche with a V8 and was supposed to become the flagship. When it debuted in 1978 it sold for close to a 50% premium over a 911. The early cars, from 1978 until mid-80s were ahead of their time and the styling was unique. By the end of the run in 1995 they were extremely competent GT super cars. There seem to be two distinct price points with the later model 90s cars demanding high prices however all models are still pretty reasonable compared to air cooled 911s. I think the pear bodies are finally being recognized as the fun, reliable cars they were and I think they will continue to climb in vale. Thanks for listening to my opinion. I look forward to your future videos.
The main problem with the 944 and 928 is the split drive system, very complex and very expensive to fix/replace. Creates great balance but it soured me, my friends mom had a 928 that never really left the garage, had like 45k on it, she was going to sell it to me cheap but also I'm too tall at 6' to really sit in it. 911 is a dream for tall people.
I can't believe he left the BMW E-30 off his list.. I bought a straight 1986 E-30 August 2020 for $4,200 and was offered $12,000 just 6 months later.. I wanted an E-30 since they came out, so I kept it..
I had an E30, one my most favourite cars! It’s a great investment! However they have already skyrocketed in value, as you rightly illustrated. Some are going for insane money, and I don’t just mean M3s. Definitely a keeper - enjoy!! Wish I still had mine.
ok, looked at the current reactions and, if not mistaken, nobody mensioned the Honda S2000. For me that is a true classic car, if not tiuned etc ... What do you think?
One good option is to look for a classic that can be converted to electric like the MGB is without major alterations then it can be returned back if necessary to petrol or sold as converted with the option of returning it
How about a Pajero Evolution? As well as looking like an absolute brute, everyone is going mad for cross-overs & SUV's? Great vid from a new subscriber.
I only buy classics I genuinely like. If I end up not making money on the Car, I still have a car I love. Also I ensure that the classic car has no rust. It it doesn’t have rust I don’t even care if it is running or not. I’m considering importing an ae86. Since compared to $60,000 Supra’s they are still fair in price. The most I would spend on one of those (ae86) would probably be 35k for a stock low millage example. (Low millage for Toyota is 100,000 miles
How about 2nd gen Honda CRX? Is it a car worth investing in? I was always fan of the look, but I'm more of an RWD guy. Currently have a '99 Lexus IS200 supercharged car.
1985 and older Fiat 124 Spiders, with preference for 1978 and older. Technically the later ones were renamed the 2000 Spider. Of the later ones that are special and notable are the Turbo, the supercharged Volumex, and the ones sold as Pininfarina Thats kinda 1983-1985.
Hey Brown Car Guy, Do me a favour, you show some quite good photos of the cars you are talking about in your videos, but in a few seconds there gone, leave them up longer, please ! And underneath the picture, print the make and model and the year, please !
Nice Channel, i have just bought my first “classic” a red Mazda mx5 US version 1990. I know that their so many of them but they all rust like hell so hopefully it will be unique in about 10 years? All the best Philip, Denmark
Enjoyed this video, would be great to see more insight on classic cars! However, watching this , I couldn’t help not think about the social aspect concerning the future values of classic cars. Cars that can be sniffed upon on some parts of the world could be a target of heated hunt elsewhere, and that variation in local demand will vary greatly the local prices. Probably hence the different future investments lists (by region) by Hagerty. Probably at some point there will need to be a similar list for the Middle East region, and bet that will be different still - probably more US inclined (but that’s a topic for another time maybe!). Anyhow, this video probably tells me what I already intended to do (inshalla): keep my X351 XJ 5.0 SC, which is the last ICE-ed XJ, for as long as I can...
Great points, and yeah keep the Jag. I think Middle East classic list would be US and Japanese orientated, but it will take a little longer for classics to truly find their values in that market. That could well be a subject for another video 😉
Funny, I have a 1997 Land Rover Disco I in the beautiful green, paid 2K for it and only 130K miles, need to re-clearcoat the hood because of 1 spot but I get lots of compliments. I also have a 2000 BMW Z3 that I always though was my collectible, did the dual mass to std clutch to it and custom exhaust, new top and it lives in the garage now in winter. I have been looking around and seeing some interesting cars for reasonable prices, all the really old guys are selling theirs off and our cash is becoming worthless.
@@BrownCarGuy I am in Washington State now, the Rover was my moms, she bought it in Canada and had it converted, when I bought it from her 10 years ago it was only 97K miles. There is one now for 1K but leaks radiator fluid so guessing head gasket, people don't know with the Aluminum block you can't get these hot, not even a little. I have a spot on the hood that the clear is peeling so need to redo the hood. A lot of Rovers here are pretty beat, trying to find a used bush bar for mine, lots of small fixes, it is a British car and Lucas works but it reminds me of my 1982 MBZ 200SD, lots of room to work on the engine and even the switches could be disassembled and repaired, wish I still had it, 27mpg diesel.
Nissan cedric v6 is a very fine car I purchased one just a few weeks ago needs some work but not much. It is very rare in Europe and very hard to find one
It's funny. Nobody mention the 1983-1985 Ford Sierra XR4i. Only 29.400 build. I'm the lucky owner of two of them. Beside my 1970 Triumph TR6, 2003 Porsche Boxster S and a 1985 Porsche 911 Carrera
All hard assets are appreciating as a result of low interest rates (free money). And with fiat currencies being diluted, money is searching out quality assets. Classic cars would not be my first choice due to overhead costs. Should interest rates rise (and they will), the crash will be epic.
ALL Desirable Cars will Rocket in Value. All the GTi / Type R / RS / & every car similar to These. Look at the values of Common FORDS ! XR3 / XR2/ RS Turbo prices are Flying up. . Any car with something Special or Different about it. There is a VAST Amount of Cash around Sat doing nothing in the Bank. People Havn't been able to Go out & spend any money for over a year. Not even a Meal in the Pub. No Holidays abroad etc. People are looking for Places to Invest & inflation proof their money. And In Lockdown, Something to Enjoy Playing with in the Garage. Restoring a classic, or just polishing a mint example.
Good content. I'm expecting classics will plunge in the short/medium term though.. It depends how bad the covid aftermath is... Classics will preceed houses in a crash I think. You also don't mention how classic car values could hold after 2040-50 due to electric conversions. They'll be much cheaper as they become more widely done and the battery technology should hopefully improve making finding space for them less of an issue. For the time being I have: 1993 300zx N/A 1991 Alfa 75 Veloce 3.0l V6 1974 Citroen DS Lomax 223 - Moto Guzzi - GSA 5spd
Great feedback and car choices - thanks! Classic and used values seem to be holding up well at the moment - they didn’t rise too much so I’d expect them to hold steady for now. Only a fraction of classics will be converted to electric. I think that classic cars will have exemption from emissions regulations 2040 onwards as there are too few and driven too rarely to make a difference to the environment. I predict the rarity at that point of traditional combustion engines will ensure their continued collectibility and value, even if regular road use might go down significantly. Having said that - who can really predict the future?! LOL.
@@BrownCarGuy yes you might be right about exemptions. I think it will depend on how fanatical it all gets. I imagine it becoming quite totalitarian in terms of emmisions etc when the current younger generations are running the show... Only time will tell. I really hope you're right. I think conversions will be quite widespread if the limitations are very strict. But I think that could help values of both converted and unconverted cars.. We need a crystal ball 😊
IT's more a pie in the sky, batteries won't get better, they already catch fire, you can't shrink the type of energy you need to pull from your fuel source without generating too much heat, gas blows in your engine instead of your battery, it's just an unsolveable physics problem, you make current, you get heat, you get heat you get resistance and that needs more current, we call it thermal run away in electronics. They need a removable battery that is standard, pull into a station (like oil changes) and guys swap the battery under your car and 10 mins you are on your way, you can't travel and stop and charge for hours every 100 miles.
There is another Nissan what’s over looked or just not talked about it’s a Japanese classic the Nissan Silvia great cars i do like the classic 4x4 the Datsun patrol great video
This is a great channel I really enjoyed the video. Please one question, what is your opinion on the Ford probe? I have the opportunity to buy a 1995 white probe. Lowish mileage and mint bodywork for next to nothing. Also I've got a 1991 Honda cbr 400 rr that I paid 100 euros for, I'm going to restore it. My guess is it's a future classic because the 4 stroke 400 cc bikes from the 1990s are becoming rare. The classic 250cc 2stroke bike prices have gone through the roof. And even if it doesn't make any money I love the bike it's super sexy. Keep up the good work
Thanks so much James. I won't comment on the bike because I don't know much about them, but it sounds pretty cool - sort of 'cafe racer' style? As for the Probe - hmm.... tricky one. It's not a car that immediately comes to mind as a classic, but its rarity might ensure that it does, and it must surely have a cult following. It's a bit of a gamble though. I'd say find Ford clubs locally and see what they reckon to values of Probes. Although if you're getting a good one for so little - it's got to be worth the bet right? Let me know how you get on. All the best!
No chance. It was basically a failure. A successful classic had to be a game changer in design or engineering or be just beautiful. Probe was none of the above lol
Hello i'm new to the channel, really enjoying the content. Keep it up!! I had a question, what classic car would you recommend for a 20 year old that is not expensive to buy and maintain? Thank you in advance Niels
I've got one that wasn't on your list:1977 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am. Bought it for $900 in 1999. I still have it. I have it insured for $10,000. The insurance agent didn't blink an eye at my request. I could probably sell it for a lot more than that but I won't.
@@BrownCarGuy oh wow, I didn't know that, but then Mitsubishi UK got all the best cars (or at least got them tuned through Ralliart once they'd arrived). I've got an Evo X so I was curious- not that I'm ever going to sell it.
Great comment! On the 928 it’s often described as a ‘passive’ rear wheel steering system, but it’s a very slight adjustment to pull the tyres in under braking and cornering. The Prelude was the first to have Active rear wheel steering and the first to do it mechanically in a production car. Thanks!!
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I owned a Porsche 944 S2 for three years. When I sold it (perhaps my biggest regret) I got 50% more than I paid for it. So owning that car and driving/maintaining it for three years actually made me money.
Nice! Well done!
Cars I own. 1987 buick grandnational, 1968 Plymouth sport fury, 1992 gmc typhoon, 1972 442 tribute.
I’ve owned several classic cars. Buy what you like, drive & enjoy them. If you break even or make money when you sell, you’ve done well for yourself. You can’t compare cars to other investments. You have to take into account all of the related coats. Insurance, storage, & a LOT of maintenance to keep a car running well that’s not driven very often & not reliable like new cars.
Very good points!
Exactly . I have four ' classics ' if I break even , and enjoyed the cars . I 've done well .
Mercedes SL R129 would be a nice investment also.
Watched a few of these classic car investment videos. Hard to believe the Nissan Skyline is not mentioned directly. Been keeping an eye on these for the last 8 years and they've gone up over 300%.
It’s probably because they have gone up so much in price. Most of these cars are relatively cheap still and like you pointed out skylines have already gone up. It’s because of the fast and furious and Paul walkers passing and the 90s kids scooping them up at every opportunity
@@blaketaylor9850 well now we're over 30 years old + and potentially have the cash + we're still young to enjoy sports / funny / old cars of our youth , we bathed in them !
A novel selection of cars and a likeable presenter. Like!
Thanks so much! Glad you enjoyed the video!
I have a 1984 Pontiac Trans Am, a complete unmolested car with original paint. I only use ACDelco replacement parts when I can find them. Absolutely love this car, so much fun to drive
I’m truly jealous! Nice one!!
One major oversight is the question of how easy is it to repair and maintain? I would suggest that anything with an ECU is going to struggle.
u are too cheap lol go stick to your cheap mind set lol
Exactly right, They are all way overpriced, The moron`s buying these at insane prices are deluded, For the sake of one part you just as well scrap the car, Very few people at all brought these cars, Most of whom are probably dead by now or don`t drive, So there is no connection to them, The UK Government has always led a terrorist campaign against the British motorist, Especially the poorer motorist, Sot he sooner they ban petrol and diesel engines and shut the filling stations the better
I'm glad to see the value of the Alpine GTA increasing after many years at bargain basement prices. The astronomical original A110 prices and the resurgence of Alpine with the new model and F1 visibility will surely make the GTA a good candidate.
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Lexus GS430 Sport. I've had mine for 7 years now & there are no plans to change. Standard GS ser II styling but with lightly tweaked & lowered suspension, spoilers, mesh grill & gorgeous 18" Oz wheels. Sport 430's were sold by Lexus from late 2003 to early 2005, only about 18 months. Unsuprisingly, they're a very rare sight on British roads today.
Nice!
UK viewer here, I own a 1988 Trans Am GTA black on black with 5.7 engine, leather, Digital Dash, LSD, the space invaders dash was only on the 87/88 models making it a rare combination, especially as mine has dealer installed T Top roof that was not factory available with the 5.7 engine until 1989. Its my 4th Trans Am. Its now very hard to find a nice one as they were cheap in the past and often neglected.
That’s awesome. I am SO jealous right now!!
I love my 83. My 3rd 3rd gen, 1st one with T-Tops...underappreciated generation of the F-body
Great analysis. I would like to add Granada mk2, Porsche Boxster gen1, Range Rover P38, Ford Crown Victoria, Mustang fox body, Volvo C70 convertible gen 1, Saab 9-5 Aero 00-05, Saab 9-3 Turbo x, Jeep WJ Overland, Mercedes S-class W140, Lexus LX 470 and Jaguar x300-308. Some of these may be a PITA to own tho.. 😅
Great choices - thanks for that!
Great channel and topic! One factor in future classics is also keeping it running in good shape. Appreciation needs to be able to outpace the cost of ownership. For instance, a Ferrari F355 especially in a 6 speed is almost a guarantee for appreciation. But if you’ve had one and kept it regularly serviced, it’s highly unlikely you will profit in total given frequently brutal maintenance and repair.
Great point!
I think you really have to do your own maintenance, did a new flywheel/clutch on my BMW Z3, if I had to pay someone it would have been too much, same with my 80s sailboat, replaced the trans and many many other things, only way to stay on the right side of an investment.
I think the Jaguar MK 2 is a good classic to look for. They are very well built and the engine is very solid with a great sound.They have been in different TV shows.
Good choice!
One of the best videos I seen. Thanks for that!! I think best investments (some not mentioned in comments & yes some already spiked in price) will be: Mazda Rx7. Early 2000s obnoxious v8 long wheelbase Jags. 65-70 coupe deville convertible. Mustang Cobra 03-04. Porsche 944 s2 (turbo if lucky) good luck. I like the LS400 as sleeper
Thanks for the great comment and your excellent choices. I agree about the LS400, and I totally agree about the RX7.
Definitely Honda CRX and also VW corrado VR6 and golf r32. BMW e31 massively on the rise especially original looked after ones with low ownership, and remember classic cars are a tax free investment too....
Agreed!
Bought MK2 CRX March 2020
As someone who just bought a 2003 Jag XKR, nice to see the XKs mentioned as future classics!
Well done - you're onto a winner!
The original Lexus SC is also going up in value in America, and we are sure the second-gen model with the folding roof will also eventually appreciate
The Toyota Soarer! What a thing that was!
Agree most of that. Had to be desirable or game changer when new. Eg first Audi TT. Jag XK8 wasn’t coveted on release but makes you feel special. And the e46 M3 was coveted! In the future, people will likely have a ICE as a toy so look for sports/ convertible/ do everything (SUV), and were talk of the town when released.
Agree!
I own an 83 Trans Am. I have loved the 3rd generation cars (82-92) easy to modify and add power to.
Awesome. And they still look so sleek and cool!
@@BrownCarGuy I think that GM used John DeLorean's idea of wedge shaped vehicles, even after JZD's departure in the 70s. If I remember correctly, at the time of the 3rd gen Firebird/Trans Am's release in late 1981, it had close to, if not the lowest drag coefficient for it's time, at .032. That has been eclipsed since then
Great video. I agree that used petrol and diesel cars will likely become more sought after beyond 2030 and especially unique sporty versions.
Thanks!
Rising classics/Modern Classics
Alfa Romeo GT V6 Busso
Honda NSX
Ferrari 308GT4
Porsche 997
Great choices!
Really like this video. It’s a great thought process you put behind your projections.
Thanks so much!
i just bought a 1988 celica SX internally mint for ~$5k after getting it roadworthy. Cant lose on that. i reckon bmw 8 series from the 90s will go up too.
Totally right - well done!
Hi bro haw are you .do U think is the Cadillac 1959 devil coupe , and Chevrolet Apache 1959 is good car to in investment in 2021??
Do cows give milk? Hell yeah!! LOL
I am a British Motor Engineer in New Zealand, I have a 87 XJSC with only 118000KM V12. They only made about 3500 of these, mine rust free in top condition, here only worth 12000 pounds.
Keep hold of it. If it doesn't rise in value there, it'll eventually get to a point where it's worth selling to an international broker!
Lovely pic of you and your old CelicaSupra, was an instant classic the moment it came out. Was underrated/ forgotten for a time but not now. Here's one I think will be an even bigger classic if it isn't already the US Ford FalconFutura, what a design, the back is longer than the front. Just remembered the Futura is not an 80s car so how about the gold ol escort mk 3 XR3i/ turbo ?
Thanks! You might enjoy this browncarguy.com/2019/01/11/my-toyota-supra-story/ Futura is niche but nice, Escorts, especially performance variants are rocketing in value now.
@@BrownCarGuy The problem is I see is - Maintenance and parts, mostly these will be harder to get as time passes.
Wow! We like the same cars. I just noticed the Roger Moore's Esprit S1 in 007 and the McQueen's mustang of Bullitt. I love the Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 3rd gen since my youth thanks to Knight Rider. Excellent review my friend 😃👍
Glad you enjoyed the video - yeah the Esprit and Stang are my ultimates!
@@BrownCarGuy great cars of a golden happy age😃👍
That daily driver that will grab nostalgia, SAAB. Nobody will be able to estimate the price of a Viggen or Hirsch model in a few years, maybe a few years more if you’re a low mileage person. Modern Classics to me
I have the Honda prelude gen 3 and didn't realize it was such a classic ,,, thanks very much 👍👍👍
I’m jealous! 👍🏽
@@BrownCarGuy it's almost original except wheels and exhaust , drives beautiful and often turns a head , have also got complete car stripped for parts ,,, the parts are very hard to get hold of now so thought best to prepare ,,
@@tbone1759 well done! Keep it safe. 👍🏽😃
@@tbone1759 I was tempted to buy the 150bhp one a few years back, got MK2 CRX instead, if I had space and garages I'd have MK2 and 3 Prelude to go with CRX mk1
I wonder why nobody talks about the bulletproof W124. It certainly is a future classic and the 500E versions are going for big numbers. the cheaper alternatives I believe would be the W124 300e coupe and the W124 300e AMG.
Oh definitely a good choice!
1980's Supercharged MR2 AW11... Built by Toyota, based on Lotus concept car and engine built by Toyota, based on Cosworth design.... What's not to love... Oh, and I have one 😁
Awesome!
Ive had three classics over time, Lotus Europa Special bought 4,000 pounds ( but stolen 4 years later ). Capri 2.8 3,700 and sold after 3 years 2,000. Finally XJS Convertible V12 bought for 10,000 sold 4 years later 6,000 Oh! How I wish I still had them!
That is an awesome lineup!!
I came upon this video accidentally and I'm sure glad I did. Very interesting and insightful. A car you touched on briefly that I think is still a great value is the Porsche 928.
The 928 was the first Porsche with a V8 and was supposed to become the flagship. When it debuted in 1978 it sold for close to a 50% premium over a 911.
The early cars, from 1978 until mid-80s were ahead of their time and the styling was unique. By the end of the run in 1995 they were extremely competent GT super cars.
There seem to be two distinct price points with the later model 90s cars demanding high prices however all models are still pretty reasonable compared to air cooled 911s.
I think the pear bodies are finally being recognized as the fun, reliable cars they were and I think they will continue to climb in vale. Thanks for listening to my opinion. I look forward to your future videos.
Glad you enjoyed the video. Great comment! Totally agree on the 928.
The main problem with the 944 and 928 is the split drive system, very complex and very expensive to fix/replace. Creates great balance but it soured me, my friends mom had a 928 that never really left the garage, had like 45k on it, she was going to sell it to me cheap but also I'm too tall at 6' to really sit in it. 911 is a dream for tall people.
Excellent video. Would like to see you name more specific cars you could obtain for Sat less than $25000 that could be good investments.
I bought my house cash from the money I made flipping classic cars . That is $500k in 9 years. Love classic cars
Oh wow. That’s amazing. Well done!
What cars do I buy lol
@@NickyProfits Anything that can turn a profit😂😂😂👍👍👍
I can't believe he left the BMW E-30 off his list.. I bought a straight 1986 E-30 August 2020 for $4,200 and was offered $12,000 just 6 months later..
I wanted an E-30 since they came out, so I kept it..
I had an E30, one my most favourite cars! It’s a great investment! However they have already skyrocketed in value, as you rightly illustrated. Some are going for insane money, and I don’t just mean M3s. Definitely a keeper - enjoy!! Wish I still had mine.
@@BrownCarGuy They're still climbing in value.. I'm willing to bet they're going to become as expensive as the 1969 to 1973 Datsun 510's.
ok, looked at the current reactions and, if not mistaken, nobody mensioned the Honda S2000. For me that is a true classic car, if not tiuned etc ... What do you think?
I absolutely adore the S2000, not yet appreciating as it should, but it will have its day!
One good option is to look for a classic that can be converted to electric like the MGB is without major alterations then it can be returned back if necessary to petrol or sold as converted with the option of returning it
See my more recent videos on converting classics to electric!
One of the best if the not the best car investment videos I've seen, kudos
So kind - thanks!!
How about a Pajero Evolution? As well as looking like an absolute brute, everyone is going mad for cross-overs & SUV's? Great vid from a new subscriber.
Thanks and great suggestion!
I only buy classics I genuinely like. If I end up not making money on the Car, I still have a car I love. Also I ensure that the classic car has no rust. It it doesn’t have rust I don’t even care if it is running or not. I’m considering importing an ae86. Since compared to $60,000 Supra’s they are still fair in price. The most I would spend on one of those (ae86) would probably be 35k for a stock low millage example. (Low millage for Toyota is 100,000 miles
Great approach! Good luck with the AE86 - would love to see a pic when you get it!
Can't find any brown cars these days but if you did I'm sure that would be a classic
How about 2nd gen Honda CRX? Is it a car worth investing in? I was always fan of the look, but I'm more of an RWD guy. Currently have a '99 Lexus IS200 supercharged car.
Definitely- I love those, had one myself, miss it!
@@BrownCarGuy thanks for the feedback!
1985 and older Fiat 124 Spiders, with preference for 1978 and older. Technically the later ones were renamed the 2000 Spider. Of the later ones that are special and notable are the Turbo, the supercharged Volumex, and the ones sold as Pininfarina Thats kinda 1983-1985.
Superb info - thanks!
Hey Brown Car Guy,
Do me a favour, you show some quite good photos of the cars you are talking about in your videos, but in a few seconds there gone, leave them up longer, please !
And underneath the picture, print the make and model and the year, please !
Bmw z4m coupe , only made for a few years with limited numbers sold in the uk ,
Nice one!
Is nobody worried about future emission laws and limitations for older petrol cars? Isnt this going to affect prices?
I believe it will make them rarer and hence even more valuable. Certainly for the foreseeable future.
Excellent review 👍 Having seen the rocket like price rises in fast fords over the last few years I'd say a Racing Puma would be a pretty smart buy....
I’d agree!
Nice Channel, i have just bought my first “classic” a red Mazda mx5 US version 1990. I know that their so many of them but they all rust like hell so hopefully it will be unique in about 10 years?
All the best
Philip, Denmark
Good choice!
Enjoyed this video, would be great to see more insight on classic cars! However, watching this , I couldn’t help not think about the social aspect concerning the future values of classic cars. Cars that can be sniffed upon on some parts of the world could be a target of heated hunt elsewhere, and that variation in local demand will vary greatly the local prices. Probably hence the different future investments lists (by region) by Hagerty. Probably at some point there will need to be a similar list for the Middle East region, and bet that will be different still - probably more US inclined (but that’s a topic for another time maybe!). Anyhow, this video probably tells me what I already intended to do (inshalla): keep my X351 XJ 5.0 SC, which is the last ICE-ed XJ, for as long as I can...
Great points, and yeah keep the Jag. I think Middle East classic list would be US and Japanese orientated, but it will take a little longer for classics to truly find their values in that market. That could well be a subject for another video 😉
The BMW e46 coupe is a good bet. I don't mean the obvious M3, just the regular coupe.
They’re still low money at the moment, but longer term quite possibly. Thanks!
Funny, I have a 1997 Land Rover Disco I in the beautiful green, paid 2K for it and only 130K miles, need to re-clearcoat the hood because of 1 spot but I get lots of compliments. I also have a 2000 BMW Z3 that I always though was my collectible, did the dual mass to std clutch to it and custom exhaust, new top and it lives in the garage now in winter.
I have been looking around and seeing some interesting cars for reasonable prices, all the really old guys are selling theirs off and our cash is becoming worthless.
Interesting. Where are you based? Broadly speaking, particularly now, used and classic car prices are on the rise.
@@BrownCarGuy I am in Washington State now, the Rover was my moms, she bought it in Canada and had it converted, when I bought it from her 10 years ago it was only 97K miles. There is one now for 1K but leaks radiator fluid so guessing head gasket, people don't know with the Aluminum block you can't get these hot, not even a little. I have a spot on the hood that the clear is peeling so need to redo the hood. A lot of Rovers here are pretty beat, trying to find a used bush bar for mine, lots of small fixes, it is a British car and Lucas works but it reminds me of my 1982 MBZ 200SD, lots of room to work on the engine and even the switches could be disassembled and repaired, wish I still had it, 27mpg diesel.
Nissan cedric v6 is a very fine car I purchased one just a few weeks ago needs some work but not much. It is very rare in Europe and very hard to find one
Nice one!
What’s your thoughts on the Nissan Cube? I personally love them and I’m thinking of investing in one
Yup - quirky and interesting, definitely worth investing in for the longer term!
It's funny. Nobody mention the 1983-1985 Ford Sierra XR4i. Only 29.400 build.
I'm the lucky owner of two of them.
Beside my 1970 Triumph TR6, 2003 Porsche Boxster S and a 1985 Porsche 911 Carrera
Wow - what a great collection. You're being greedy when it comes to the XR4i LOL. But that Porsche is a proper 911 in my book. Awesome!
Really like your interest in true Japanese classics, esp the late 80s Supra, 300ZX and LS400!. Good examples are scarce.
Thanks! 🙏🏽☺️ Yeah LS and 300ZX are hard to find but they’re out there, sadly 80s Supras, like the one I had, are even rarer
Buying a white E55 Wagon tomorrow as an investment / Sunday driver
Very cool!
Nissan Skyline GTR's. I just bought an R33 GTR before the prices become unreachable.
Please do a video on American cars, most in demand cars in the biggest car market....thanks
porsche 914's, even the 4.0 with the VW air cooled engines - same as westfallia vans.
Good one!
All hard assets are appreciating as a result of low interest rates (free money). And with fiat currencies being diluted, money is searching out quality assets. Classic cars would not be my first choice due to overhead costs. Should interest rates rise (and they will), the crash will be epic.
......a bit late watching this but a great video! Thanks for posting. 👍🏻
Update soon 😉
@@BrownCarGuy .......currently looking for a 944!
@@discovermetaldetecting definite winner!
ALL Desirable Cars will Rocket in Value. All the GTi / Type R / RS / & every car similar to These.
Look at the values of Common FORDS ! XR3 / XR2/ RS Turbo prices are Flying up. .
Any car with something Special or Different about it.
There is a VAST Amount of Cash around Sat doing nothing in the Bank.
People Havn't been able to Go out & spend any money for over a year.
Not even a Meal in the Pub. No Holidays abroad etc.
People are looking for Places to Invest & inflation proof their money.
And In Lockdown, Something to Enjoy Playing with in the Garage. Restoring a classic, or just polishing a mint example.
I completely agree!
In the Netherlands. .car older than 40 years no tax 50 years old no mot.
Great info - thanks!
Thx .. and maybe a good tip ..I own a mercedes w114 250ce 1970 .. it doubled in value the last 4 years and rising ..
Good ones are getting rare ..
@@wildtatz great tip! Thanks!
Back in 2002 my cousin got a 1993 Supra for 8,000$ now worth 44,000$
Wowsers!
The Ford focus rs mk2 have gone up crazy in value in the last few months. Just wander how far they will keep going.
Well I don’t think they’ll go down!
I own a very low mileage mk1 1989 Lancia Delta HF Integrale 8v, restored . what are your thoughts?
Gold!! 😲👍🏽
@@BrownCarGuy thanks 😎👌
Good content. I'm expecting classics will plunge in the short/medium term though.. It depends how bad the covid aftermath is... Classics will preceed houses in a crash I think. You also don't mention how classic car values could hold after 2040-50 due to electric conversions. They'll be much cheaper as they become more widely done and the battery technology should hopefully improve making finding space for them less of an issue.
For the time being I have:
1993 300zx N/A
1991 Alfa 75 Veloce 3.0l V6
1974 Citroen DS
Lomax 223 - Moto Guzzi - GSA 5spd
Great feedback and car choices - thanks! Classic and used values seem to be holding up well at the moment - they didn’t rise too much so I’d expect them to hold steady for now. Only a fraction of classics will be converted to electric. I think that classic cars will have exemption from emissions regulations 2040 onwards as there are too few and driven too rarely to make a difference to the environment. I predict the rarity at that point of traditional combustion engines will ensure their continued collectibility and value, even if regular road use might go down significantly. Having said that - who can really predict the future?! LOL.
@@BrownCarGuy yes you might be right about exemptions. I think it will depend on how fanatical it all gets. I imagine it becoming quite totalitarian in terms of emmisions etc when the current younger generations are running the show... Only time will tell. I really hope you're right. I think conversions will be quite widespread if the limitations are very strict. But I think that could help values of both converted and unconverted cars.. We need a crystal ball 😊
IT's more a pie in the sky, batteries won't get better, they already catch fire, you can't shrink the type of energy you need to pull from your fuel source without generating too much heat, gas blows in your engine instead of your battery, it's just an unsolveable physics problem, you make current, you get heat, you get heat you get resistance and that needs more current, we call it thermal run away in electronics.
They need a removable battery that is standard, pull into a station (like oil changes) and guys swap the battery under your car and 10 mins you are on your way, you can't travel and stop and charge for hours every 100 miles.
Supra and include GT-Four Celica's all Mk's 4, 5 & 6th Gen
Dead right on new Defender/ Disco comparison. When will LR bring back the Defender?
My horse and buggy is now worth a fortune.
1984-87 Corolla GT AE82 very underappriciated and at the same price the iconic AE86
Good one!
The Honda S2000 is starting to move big time!
Very nicely done sir!
Glad you liked it!
There is another Nissan what’s over looked or just not talked about it’s a Japanese classic the Nissan Silvia great cars i do like the classic 4x4 the Datsun patrol great video
Yup Silvia is sweet! Thanks!
Hello Interesting video thank you. I was thinking to buy a Porsche 944 or 924 as my budget is £10,000 What do you think?
Great choice!
This is a great channel I really enjoyed the video.
Please one question, what is your opinion on the Ford probe? I have the opportunity to buy a 1995 white probe. Lowish mileage and mint bodywork for next to nothing.
Also I've got a 1991 Honda cbr 400 rr that I paid 100 euros for, I'm going to restore it. My guess is it's a future classic because the 4 stroke 400 cc bikes from the 1990s are becoming rare. The classic 250cc 2stroke bike prices have gone through the roof. And even if it doesn't make any money I love the bike it's super sexy.
Keep up the good work
Thanks so much James. I won't comment on the bike because I don't know much about them, but it sounds pretty cool - sort of 'cafe racer' style? As for the Probe - hmm.... tricky one. It's not a car that immediately comes to mind as a classic, but its rarity might ensure that it does, and it must surely have a cult following. It's a bit of a gamble though. I'd say find Ford clubs locally and see what they reckon to values of Probes. Although if you're getting a good one for so little - it's got to be worth the bet right? Let me know how you get on. All the best!
Thank you so much for the advice. I look forward to watching more videos
No chance. It was basically a failure. A successful classic had to be a game changer in design or engineering or be just beautiful. Probe was none of the above lol
Nice info
What about the lexus sc300 and the lexus gs430?
SC300 yeah definitely, not so sure about GS430 though
I just hope your right . And I don't take a loss .
Excellent content- what do you think about the Audi mk1 TT & the Audi S5 4.2?
Audi TT gen one will have its day. S5 is just nice to have!
Hello i'm new to the channel, really enjoying the content. Keep it up!!
I had a question, what classic car would you recommend for a 20 year old that is not expensive to buy and maintain?
Thank you in advance
Niels
Thanks! Perhaps something Japanese from the late 80s and early 90s. What kind of cars are you into?
@@BrownCarGuy You guessed it right 😉, JDM is my preferred choice.
Well there ya go! 🤣LOL
I've got one that wasn't on your list:1977 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am. Bought it for $900 in 1999. I still have it. I have it insured for $10,000. The insurance agent didn't blink an eye at my request. I could probably sell it for a lot more than that but I won't.
Very nice indeed!!
Hoping a 1970 Daimler Sovereign 2.8 L with 37.5 k miles on the clock is an investment, seeing as I've purchased one!
Indubitably!
Almost sold my m3 evo 95 coupe last year. Would be interesting to see what happens after the electric hype has gone.
Nice! M3 Ego’s a keeper! 👍🏽😃 Electric cars are not going away though, market share will grown significantly this year.
Ford Sierra is in fashion again
Always great stuff.
Thanks!
I get so mad I totaled my 95 ls400 with only 33k on it...... kms
Oooooooo Nooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!
I feel you buddy.
Really enjoyed this video, thanks
Thanks so much, glad you enjoyed it!
What about the not long discontinued Mitsubishi Evo? I heard recently that a delivery mileage Evo IX was sold in the US for something like $170,000.
Good one! And Mitsubishi just sold its U.K. classic fleet with record results!
@@BrownCarGuy oh wow, I didn't know that, but then Mitsubishi UK got all the best cars (or at least got them tuned through Ralliart once they'd arrived). I've got an Evo X so I was curious- not that I'm ever going to sell it.
The 997 Porsche BMW e 36 and 440 ci the Ferrari 456 to name a few
Oh the 456 definitely - so pretty, so underrated and so much fun to drive!
Honestly I'ma start buying some .
Good luck. All the best!
Great video ! thankyou :-)
You’re most welcome. Think I should update this for 2022 soon?
very nice video! When the 2022 update?
Thanks! Here it is th-cam.com/video/pxjnideUEaU/w-d-xo.html
Have to add the original Porsche Boxster 986
Good one!
Wasn't the 1979 Porsche 928 the first with 4 wheel mechanical steering?
Great comment! On the 928 it’s often described as a ‘passive’ rear wheel steering system, but it’s a very slight adjustment to pull the tyres in under braking and cornering. The Prelude was the first to have Active rear wheel steering and the first to do it mechanically in a production car. Thanks!!
I have to ask: the 1/18 Lotus Esprit S1 diecast in the background, is that the AutoArt model or is it another brand?
Well spotted! Yup AutoArt!
Great video!
Thanks so much 🙏🏽☺️