Homeowners Associations: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)
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- John Oliver discusses homeowners associations, the surprising power they have, and how to tell if a tree is “tree-shaped.”
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Seeing this from the Netherlands, where HOAs only exist for apartments, and have nowhere near these powers, it's obvious that 'freedom' in the US is primarily for corporations, not individuals.
Your assessment is so accurate that it hurts. 😣
Good news, corporations were deemed 'people' by our government decades ago, in order to get around lobbying laws (if corporations are people then they're allowed to spend their huge amounts of wealth on paying off our congresspeople, because it's a first amendment right to do so). So they can say it's good for 'people' and be totally accurate. Just not what most of us consider people. But we're not the people our government cares about.
Freedom is nothing but propaganda.
Can't say I ever attended a VVE meeting in my old building.
Just a random example of a difference: a seller is required to give the buyer financial statements and meeting minutes of the HOA. The idea that there would be no transparency of what you'd be getting into with an HOA is astonishing.
I remember reading a story a few years ago where a guy had a house out in the country. Soon a developer came in and built a HOA community around his house. His house was legally excluded from the HOA as it was not part of the development, but still in the neighborhood. On the back of his house, he had a huge deck. The HOA started harassing him about the deck saying it did not meet the rules and needed to be removed. He kept telling the them his house was not part of the HOA. Then one day he came home and his deck was gone. The HOA sent in contractors to remove it. He sued them and won. The court made the HOA rebuild his huge deck. That ended up bankrupting the HOA. Man, I wish I could buy that guy a beer!
Love it! Great ending. Now if only all HOA’s would go bankrupt!
That’s some big deck energy right there
@@gwadason971 Nailed It
HOAs are so villainous that we are routing for this guy! 😂
I'm so glad that had a happy ending for this guy and his deck
Our HOA hated us cause we were a mixed family. One time, they kept sending people to steal the number off of our house and then fine us for our house number not being clearly marked. Every time we replaced it, it went missing again the next night. So my dad superglued it to the house. We then received a fine for superglueing our house number to which my dad said 'How did you know it was superglued if you weren't the ones removing it?' they stopped and dropped the fines.
That’s insane
That doesn’t surprise me because the original purpose of HOAs was to keep black people out of neighborhoods. This is a verifiable fact that can be researched.
That's disgusting
@@PUREisthename Oh it gets worse. They would call the police and have them camp outside our house so that anytime my brothers left the house they would be stopped because 'someone reported black teenagers being suspicious'. And the black man who lived three doors down from us who was working and caring for his ill mother constantly had his house egged and windows broken and would be fined for the 'mess'. And then they'd have the nerve to smile at us in church as though they hadn't been racially harassing my family the day before.
@@margaretconnor5623What the actual...
Isn't there any possibility to report those hate crimes?
HOAs sound like the neighborhood equivalent of the Stanford prison experiment.
Apt description.
Thought the exact same thing
i’m an incredibly non-violent person, but if an HOA secretly bought my house a year before evicting me for less than a Happy Meal i’d be catching multiple life sentences
The one time in history jury nullification becomes relevant. No reasonable jury would convict you.
@@Radiodragonofdoom You underestimate the jury.
Concurrent or consecutive sentences?
The worst part of Capitalism.
@@mikemann1960 I mean, the conditions of workers in global south countries is pretty not great. There are just a lot of worst parts lmao
HOAs are basically an answer to the question “what if Karens formed a union?”
There is some truth to that. I've lived in two neighborhoods with HOAs and they've both been pretty hands off, but then people complain that they don't do anything or enforce anything. And if you don't have one at all, people endlessly complain about their neighbors. There's just no pleasing people!
lool
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
And Mel Gibson
Also the answer to the question "what if libertarians lived in communes?"
I was born in 1986 and John's assessment of my ability to own a home is very flattering.
Born in 1978. Working as a journalist. It made me laugh, too.
2004. 💀
He has a point, 2/30 ppl I know under 35 who own a house.
"The generality doesn't apply to me, an individual, so it doesn't apply!"
@@user-th1pv6ks5ou prob die off heat anyway so at least you don’t have to worry about owning a house…
My friend owned a condo. The HOA sent a paper to go in and redo her patio on the second floor while she was on vacation. They put the planters up on the railing. She was gone for a month. The papers didn't take down the planters and she started being get fines for the planters. It was the HOA people that put the planters up there.
FFS do you mean PAINTER?
@@DrBjaminwhy would painters put up planters? But why would papers do anything. Sure you can three hole punch a piece of paper and put it in a notebook but papers rarely do anything on their own. Never, I meant never.
@@DrBjaminI think I lost braincells 😂
What confuses the hell out of me is that the people who are so damn adamant about not being told what to do by a government aren't doing a damn thing about this.
Roe v Wade is so much more important, but I get where you are coming from. It's insane to me too.
It costs money. I can’t afford it!
and the board members are just down the street!! maybe it's the Jar Head in me but Just saying!
We are. This isn't a left or right issue. HOAs are evil to everyone.
@@markusbrauns4274I get that’s important and it’s horrible it’s been repealed. This is more crazy it’s easy to have another kid. It’s not so easy to buy a new home.
A few home owners in my dads neighborhood tried to start an HOA a few years ago. They had a meeting to vote if it should be put in place and only two people voted for it. Those people were then ostracized to the point they sold their homes and moved. Truly the best outcome imo
we just joined and subsequently managed to purge all our the old board members on our HOA. They were awful. 2 of the 8 have so far put their homes up for sale.
"They had a meeting to vote if it should be put in place and only two people voted for it. Those people were then ostracized to the point they sold their homes and moved."
*good*
this happened in my neighborhood as a kid. My dad who is typically never involved in anything went house to house and ran a serious campaign against it. The neighborhood voted against it by just one vote!
@jade Gourley what you do than with tash collections and roads, who fix that?
@@viktorasantanaitis8602 The local elected government, who should be doing it in the first place.
In Utah. An HOA in daybreak kept charging my brother fines for having dog poop in his front yard. He doesn't own a dog. It's also part of the HOA to pick up after your dog. $74 per day. He went on vacation once and got charged $1400 for poop in his yard that wasn't from his dog while in vacation
I hope he didn’t pay
@@nicolenotizieeamici And now his house is worth 5 dollars.
I feel this. On a much smaller level I got in trouble from my landlord for having dog poop out front of my studio. I do own a dog but my dog is 20 lbs. The shits out front were dinosized. Hm. I wonder why they sent me the email about the poop and not the guy next door who owns a great dane eh? I sent a photo of my dog's poop for comparison. I showed them that a freshly laid 20lb dog poop is literal acorns compared to the giant shits out front of my place and hinted "perhaps a larger breed, say a Great Dane, is responsible?". They never replied but I never got another complaint from them again either so I think they got the idea.
For storytelling purposes it would have been amazing if you'd saved the 'he doesn't own a dog' for the very last lol.
This is awful
I wonder if the dog belonged to one of the HOA members. 🤔
if i got evicted like that you better believe i'd be pouring concrete down all the drains
I hear ya.
My grandfather lived in a neighborhood with an HOA. After a lengthy battle over a flagpole that was 1 ft too tall he went around to each of the board members houses at night and burned their lawns with fertilizer. He then reported them to their own boary that they weren't following HOA rules to keep grass at acceptable length. They didn't have any grass at all as the fertilizer burned it to death 😂
Gramps was a legend.
Don't post this unless the statute of limitation has passed, some guy may want to come after you
Holy shit thats iconic. Did he get away with it?? If so, thats actually a good tactic. If the hoa doesnt bar people from fucking up your property and fining you for small infractions, then people could use the same lack of regulation against the hoa.
Freezing Round up in an ice tray, then toss the cubes into the yard at night. Ring cameras can’t catch that.
@Skullair313 the absolute chances of that happening are as close to zero as you can get. The sheer odds of some random schmuck who HAPPENED to be a .. "victim" of Gramp's legendary exploits finding this random comment in a TH-cam video about HOAs is astronomically low. Also I doubt people who run HOAs are John Oliver's Demographic. They're mostly conservative arsewipes
@@Skullair313 they'd have to go after my grandfather and he's been dead for years
The fact that HOAs can perfectly, legally bypass even SCOTUS rulings on desegregation is some truly dystopian BS.
The fuck? !
They didn’t, they tried.
With this SCOTUS i prefer most ignore their rulings.
Just a normal thing for the US.
But that's just not true. In Shelly v. Krammer SCOTUS specifically held that racially restrictive covenants can't be enforced and federal law prevents HOAs from being overtly discriminatory.
Is it true that HOAs can implicitly discriminate? Yes, ofc but that's no different than city government or anywhere else. Bad but nothing special.
I own a condo and my HOA failed to keep up with maintenance and inspection of the building and now they took out a loan so our payments went from 500 to 1,250 and we are all selling our condos because why should we have to pay for a loan we never took out lol. Never buy a property with a HOA its a nightmare!
OMG. That's complete BS! One townhouse we saw we fell in love with it expect we weren't comfortable with that the siding looked like it was rotted and the roof we had no clue and they couldn't tell us when they expected to fix the wood siding or roof...wow I didn't think a HOA could raise rates that high. I'd be wondering why the f÷÷k are you paying fees if they won't cover exactly why you bought a HOA. I bought a townhouse in a new development (I'm the first phase so living in a construction zone). I hope HOA at least will follow maintaining the exterior.
I bought a condo when I was 25 in 2007. I thought I was doing the responsible thing. I had a good career, making good money. 6 months later, the housing market collapsed and I was $100k underwater. At the same time, the HOA did a special assessment for renovations on the whole complex and said my share was $26k. When I said I couldn't pay, the HOA asked if I could get a home equity loan which I, of course, could not. So the HOA put a lien on my property and threatened to foreclose. I couldn't refinance because of the lien and I couldn't pay the lien because I couldn't refinance. The HOA eventually did foreclose and I had to declare bankruptcy. The HOA ruined my life. I was seriously contemplating ending my life. Things are much better now but I had to start my whole life over from scratch. Buying a house was the worst decision I ever made in my life.
You should [redacted].
If a HOA foreclosed on my house for $4, I think the HOA Presidents house would mysteriously burn to the ground shortly afterwards.
He might also get a four dollar Cheque to cover the expenses, that way he couldn’t complain, right?
I could see a court letting you go for it was a crime of passion.
Then the HOA could find for having ashes on the ground 😂
Not needed, just call your local neighborhood KillDozer
Ok, so if they foreclose on you and sell your house from under you for $4, does that mean you lose all your money in that home? Like all equity, value etc? So you would have to start from nothing to buy a new home?
“If you’re under 35 this story isn’t for you. You’ll never own a house.” Ok. Just because it’s true it doesn’t mean you have to say it out loud JOHN.
he's trying to spark a revolution :)
Honestly it should be 45. The only folks my age who own houses also had well off parents who helped them out.
I agree and I was thinking "ouch". haha
@@unseeliesidhegoddessso right! Either rich parents or they live in the middle of nowhere where homes don't cost as much. That is what my friends did they work from home and live in the small town in the nowheresville Texas 😅.
37 now, and I own a house because A) I married someone who had a duplex we sold to buy one, and B) I've gotten damn luck in the past 4 years with jobs. Otherwise I'd be totally fucked and still stuck in an apartment spending thousands on rent and getting NOTHING back out of it. It really is true that owning a house is a MASSIVE wealth boon for the middle class. Because at least the money going into it comes back out. Either if I move or pass own and my family inherits it. I think it's super shitty we're allowing so many apartments to be made that don't give ownership to tenants and thereby keep them poor.
My son lived in an HOA when he lived in Texas. He built a nice little storage shed in his fenced back yard and was made to move it because it was too tall. By a few inches. He eventually came to his senses and moved back to South Carolina and he is nowhere near an HOA. Some people, when they get a little authority, just go completely nuts. Crazy.
Sociopaths
My first experience with HOAs was in the 80s, in ARIZONA. They had a rule that you couldn't hang your laundry out to dry, in ARIZONA, SO FOR FIVE MINUTES. They had others that were also ridiculous, I told my husband there is no way I would ever live somewhere with an HOA, and I haven't. Such horror stories.
As someone who is indeed under 35, I can confirm the chuck e cheese site does not disappoint. This right here is why I enjoy this show
It was awesome
@@theAmazingDavidKidd1 my entire thought was what did I just watch
Came back from Last Squeak Tonight. Yes, it's actually as long as he said it was. Man, Chuck E. Cheese's history is fasinating!
I snuck a peek even though I'm just past 40, and you are indeed correct 👍
ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED
As someone who always checks the "no HOA" box when looking at homes, that 82% statistic is very concerning
I'm going to guess most of those homes are in actual cities where some level of individuality is still permitted
The statistic applied to *new* construction, specifically. I work in a field that gives me a pretty good look at *new* housing construction and most new construction is subdivisions/suburbs. So it's unsettling but not surprising.
Also, best of luck with the home search! No HOA 🤟
Yeah it truly sucks being in Phoenix where every fucking suburb has an HOA. One of the reasons why I hate it here.
There are very few HOA's in rural Indiana where I live. But then again, it's Indiana. I'm the worst neighbor as far as cutting hedges (I don't) or letting trumpet plant overtake my mailbox until it looks like "Little Shop of Horrors". Surprised this hasn't led to a LOT more violent confrontations. If I lost my house...After paying it off over 20 years, I'd be VERY angry.
Jerry as a homeowners association leader is freaking perfect. Love that Voice Actor
Damn! that's why that voice is so righteous and irritating! great job, I too love the voice actor
Put some respect on cyril figuses name
omfg I knew that voice was familiar! and so shit eating...lol
I used to live in a condo building where the new HOA tried to bribe us into reporting people who got new pets.
I was renting but a lot of my neighbors owned their condos.
Four of them got dogs and no one said a word. We all hated the HOA. And yes it was run by a management company and no one in the building was involved.
> slaves for the system for 45 years
> gets a 401k
> buys own house
> gets ruled by a mf that thinks he's a landlord or something
all i've learned from years of watching this show is that America has a million ways to stumble into extreme debt but only like two ways to get rich
The way to get rich is to figure out ways to put ppl into debt🤷🏻♂️
1. Be born rich.
2. Steal, legally if possible.
There’s a reason so many here go postal and it’s not gun proliferatiion. If it were, Switzerland would have as many incidents per capita. There’s a level of hypervigilance & daily stress in USA you won’t find in other developed countries.
@annalieff-saxby568 there's also onlyfans
@@ShakaCthulu The main reason Switzerland has safe gun proliferation is because they have mandatory military service. Anyone who has a gun received and adequate amount of training and anyone who couldn't complete that training doesn't own a gun. In essence, they use their military to enact adequate gun control.
Ironic that in “the land of the free” private companies can decide about the ornaments, color, trees, repairs, and even the objects in the backyard of your own house!
America: the land of the fee for the home of the enslaved. 😳
First time?? Land of the free is more like "land of the corporate entities that have entire control over almost all aspects of our life but we somehow pretend we have freedom" lol..
You sign up for it. LOL.
But - they can have all they assault rifles they want, so there's that!
No HOA for me! I ripped out my entire lawn and plant fruits and vegetables each year. It may not look as "nice" as a well-manicured lawn, but I don't care. ^_^
When my fiancé and I were house shopping that was my 1 hard rule, no HOA.
The weird thing is that there aren't even communities anymore. But there's some local authority that's predicated on the assumption of community.
Nonsense. I live in a vibrant community. Best neighborhood I’ve ever lived in BY FAR, and it’s an HOA.
It quickly escalated from “Ted can’t have a bench” to “Pat was forced to sell her house for $3.24”
Pat did not sell her house they took it for 3.24 after she had already given them all the late fees and the law cant help because there are not laws to hold them accountable
Worse than that. She didn't even know her house had been sold for $3.24 until an entire year afterwards. And that whole time, she was paying thousands in HOA fines for a house she no longer owned.
They likely didn't even give her the small amount of money they paid for the house, just deducted it from her debt. Literally ripped her off.
She paid who knows how much to own her home and furnish it, then paid monthly fees to the HOA, then thousands in fines to the HOA, only to lose every cent of investment into her home when the HOA just took it from her for an insultingly low price. I wouldn't be surprised if this was a regular racket they were pulling on new neighbors to basically rob them of all their money and take the property back, only to sell it again to some other victim and repeat the process.
@@misterb3577 if I were her I'd actually go postal
@@tammygarrett8427 There is 2nd amendment and bet that was open carry state , at that point what more have you to lose ?
What jury would convict a person who finally snapped at HOA ?
@@misterb3577 😊ד
Honestly John's videos on American society leave me with the impression that the country is on the verge of tearing itself apart. I say this as an outsider.
It’s been the same for nearly ten years he’s been doing this show. We are still here.
Y'ain't wrong
Negativity earns views.
Lmao u right
Pretty sure this show is funded by the government to scare people from immigrating to the US. - it works :D (joke8)
Having Jerry come in at the end was the Chef's Kiss.
As a UK homeowner l feel fortunate.
America is a violent and corrupt third world country. If the founding fathers had known what we'd turn into, they probably would've just paid the damn tea tax.
As a Canadian home owner, it's shocking to hear that things like "trash collection" and paving roads aren't covered by local government taxes! Aren't these homeowners paying taxes for these services?? The states is such a broken place, it honestly shocks me!
the lack of freedom is what shocks me most! I rent in Australia, but my front garden is a great big vegetable patch - and we're alleged to be really bad on renter rights here! Just disgusting to not have control over a person's own home! Stuff like pools & other dangerous stuff is reasonable to require approval to build (from appropriate authorities who decide the outcome based on safety, not a whim), but just insane they can control the colour of shutters or what trees are allowed in a garden they don't own!
@@mehere8038 I do know certain places in Canada have rules for homeowners.. Some condos require you to have certain curtains and such since they're visible from the street, not have certain items on your balconies, etc.. I don't know if we have anything to this level (maybe gated communities) though
Also renting here in Australia @@mehere8038 but in an apartment block. I have been told I'm not allowed to feed the cockatoos because they hang around and get destructive and we aren't allowed to have washing drying on the balcony but other than that, they have little impact on me.
I can't imagine that HOAs provide a hard rubbish collection.
@@Chiater no junk on balconies here is pretty normal too, although it's been modified by government regulations to be nothing visible from the street, which in many cases leads to people enclosing the bottom part with nice looking stuff & hiding junk behind that, one of my neighbours for example has what looks like a gorgous hedge from ground level, but is actually just a piece of fake grass hanging over the railing. I think the landlord, or body corperate if it's an owner, do have the authority to stop it, but they tend not to & things have been made difficult for them in stopping stuff, by legislation that was introduced to combat inappropriate demands by owners & body corperates.
I think there's a balance that's needed, yes landlords/bodycorperates/HOA or whatever should have the option of maintaining property values, but this still has to be balanced with people's freedom to control their own living spaces! Controlling what's visible from the street is very different to going onto goggle maps to see what's in someone's backyard & fining them for that!
@@MissIncorrigibleOfOz Try my neighbour's trick if you want washing on your balcony :) A piece of fake grass from bunnings, hung either in front of, or behind the railing seriously looks great - and hides the washing behind it :)).
I think the washing thing is pretty common, cause they don't want units to look like traditional images of slums in other countries. I think there is actually something in the rules where they have to provide alternative clothes drying options to be able to enforce it, but I personally see their point on this one & think it's better just to avoid it or hide it if needed.
The cockies is a challenging one. I've recently had to stop feeding my familly, but I chose to do that myself, because there was a screamer that moved into the area & it was beyond a joke, dawn every morning, absolute screeching, so I didnt' want to upset my neighbours & knew it would if I didn't stop the feeding, at least for a little while until that stopped, even though it wasn't actually any of my family that were doing it. I miss my cockies! Really hoping I can return to feeding them soon & noise is reducing, so I hope I can. That must be really horrible for you to have been told you are not allowed to feed them! I know how much mine mean to me & yes, they CAN be destructive, but they can be managed too, feeding them doesn't mean they're hanging around being destructive! I really feel for you! pets, including wild ones, make such a difference to mental health don't they! That's really sad they're taking away your ablity to have that connection to nature!!!!!! I hate that!
& yeh lol I can't imagine a hard rubbish collection under the circumstances described in the video! Let alone the chance to collect from the hard rubbish! I live next door to 130 units, in a council that offers 1 free on demand hard rubbish collection per year, in addition to a few scheduled general ones. Body corperate in that unit block's attitude was "if council wants to fine us, I'll just start ringing every week & giving a different unit number & booking a once a year free collection". So we've ended up with council just agreeing to schedual it on a set day & rubbish out only 1 day before it (not that people comply with that) & the area next to the bins becoming a weekly hard rubbish collection point, which is pretty cool for foraging :) My most recent was about 20 old records to use for my pouring art. Rather cheaper than the $3 each plywood circles or similar priced canvases! Got a few old mirrors for my garden to make it look bigger & increase reflected light for better growth too, love the hard rubbish at the best of times, but a permenent one 50 metres from my door is awesome :) (especially when it's out of sight & smell from my home)
As a 31 year old aspiring homeowner, I’m appalled at the dark side of Chuck E Cheese your investigative team uncovered.
It was one of the best segments they have ever done
I'm kind of surprised how the Chuck E. Cheese episode seems to have taken a Gurbanguly Berdimuhamedov level twist; "We thought this segment was going to be much shorter, but then..."
It was fascinating, yes!
tsy
Now that I actually watched the Chuck E Cheese story, I stand by my original comment. That was actually more entertaining that the HOA story.
love living in a country where freedom is priceless
lol John was so right... I'm 35 and currently trying to buy my first home. Just found out the place we're trying to buy has not 1 but 2 HOA's! Yes that's right, one of them that actually does things to maintain the neighborhood, and another that looks after exactly one thing (a gate). Combined they charge $160 monthly in fees (about 2k a year) and $450 just to get your name on the list of homeowners and transfer their bylaws documentation over to you. Not sure why it's necessary to have institutions that crush young people at every turn (education, job market, housing, general pursuit of happiness, etc.).
That's nothing. Our hoa in Sacramento decided to raise our fee $100 a year for the past 3 years. We pay $499 a month now... We are so f-ed, we can't afford anywhere else in California. F the hoa, they are f-ing up our f-ing lives.
For those running the HOA, it's not about crushing young people. It's that they are the greediest scumbags on earth wanting to protect their ever precious home's property values, even if your "park bench" really doesn't affect squat.
@@robwisdom4521we moved from the Bay Area to Florida a couple years ago. We only did it for financial reasons. Politics didn’t come into play because that can change drastically in just a couple years. I know it sucks but you might want to look into moving elsewhere. I lived in California and the bay since I was born and was raised there but I wanted to own a nice home. It also helped that there isn’t any state income tax here either which can add up quickly depending on how much you make.
I fought my HOA and won. You have to understand how to play the game. A shared drain flooded my 1st floor condo. Because the drain was used by more than one unit it was considered community property and therefore the responsibility of the HOA. After 3 months of refusing to pay up, I called my local city inspectors office and asked for a code inspection of the building I was living in. I advised I had safety concerns, etc. A week later, the inspector came and He found 10 violations for my building alone. So he promptly called the HOA office to discuss the “violations”. Well needless to say, the HOA was extremely upset with my “tactics”. I advised that I would continue with my “tactics” until my condo was repaired. They finally agreed to cover the cost of the repair. The city also required them to repair the code violations or face fines. Haha 😂 I sold and moved out within a year. Just not worth the hassle living in a HOA community.
LOVE how you turned their own tactics against them. Bravo!
Bravo.
Yeah, that selling and moving out piece is crucial. Fuck them then move, because I guarantee they'll retaliate.
That's what's up!!
>you have to understand how to play the game
There shouldn't be a game to play is the point.
When my HOA tried to penalize a few people over trash cans being "visible from the street", it turned into every house leaving their trash cans out front and people threatening to burn down the clubhouse. Needlesstosay, they haven't bothered anyone about trash cans in years.
Y'all should have just dissolved the HOA
omg that's awesome
Thats really the only solution. Community activism! Also, the HOA should def. be dissolved.
Fight the Power!
Now That's What I Call Democracy!
Rented a room in college and the house was part of an HOA. I remember we got letters threatening finds if our window coverings weren't white or off-white. It was in reference to the fact that our garage had packing blankets in it to block noise. To remedy we taped up computer paper in the garage windows.
HOA took my fully paid off house, with those bs tickets, and it piled up, and they foreclosed my fully paid off house. I've waited for so many years for the mainstream media to mention something about HOA, I hope there is a class action against all hoa one day. It took me so many years to get of homelessness. They didn't just rob me, they forced me into homeless, when I've paid off everything for that roof over my head. I didn't have any where to turn to, and there were no lawyer take those type cases.
When I bought my place (2013), I insisted to the real estate agent that anything in a neighborhood with an HOA would be immediately rejected. She said that as a buyers' agent, it was the most common request buyers had.
The first thing I told the agent as well. No HOA, I don't care if the house looks like a castle with 20 swimming pools. No bloody HOA. How those things are still legal baffles me.
I guess that's true until you are in an HOA
I can't believe this is real. . This is like an April fools joke for the rest of the world to see if we will believe every dystopian thing about the US
I bought my house the same way in 2011 as I only see downside to living in an HOA.
@@rebeccasidden5637
they are hell.
If I own a house I want to do whatever the hell I want within my rights on MY PROPERTY.
Not have some bullshit HOA council on a powertrip govern what I can or can not do.
My mom’s HOA ended up charging us over $2000 after we missed one yearly payment of $100 on a condo that had burnt down, the month after she died. They hired attorneys to send a demand letter for us to pay. $100 fee, $1900+ in attorney’s fees, on a nonexistent condo because of the fire. Still wish the absolute worst for all those involved in kicking us when we were down.
Very similar to what happened to us. The property was still intact, but my wife became very sick and I just overlooked the silly annual fee because we were a bit distracted and missed the payment FOR THE FIRST TIME in 20+ years!~ Terrified my Kids by sending out law enforcement to serve me and after lawyers fees was $1,100+ a bunch of aggravation.
"Still wish the absolute worst for all those involved in kicking us when we were down."
ME TOO. Been there with a coop board. Fuck those motherfuckers to hell.
May they burn in hell!!!
Why is ur mom's HOA asking money from you?
@@lilducko cuz his mom fucking died? Are you serious?
I live in Texas, my HOA literally bans parking your own car in your driveway. They also enforce what's in your backyard by flying drones over it.
Good job supporting your local tyrants
I would look into the drone thing if I were you, cause I'm like 70% sure that's illegal.
Thank you for this episode. Watch out for feeding ducks, having a tree that looks like itself, and wanting a bench outside your door.
We bought a home from a developer while they were building the neighborhood and our contract did not have an HOA established because everything was still being built, (best way to buy a home by the way if you're going to do it).
After about a year, the neighborhood built up around us and the HOA, which was created for the new home buyers, harrassed the crap out of us to try and get us to sign an agreement to join the HOA.
Remember, we bought before one existed from the developer. There was no HOA provision in our agreement, so they couldn't force us into the HOA so we had to agree to join the HOA, and their tactics were absolutely ridiculous.
Three times a week, we'd have someone come by our house to "meet with us" about joining, including lawyers. They tried to force us into paying fines, leave warnings, etc. BUT as long as we ignored them, they were uninforceable because, we weren't part of the HOA.
So, they put a stop sign in front of our house, and made that a designated bus stop, so it became a hassle to even leave the house sometimes. They even tried to put a lean on the home, but it was dismissed because the judge saw all of their tactics and was absolutely disgusted.
We never did join the HOA, but to absolutely tick them off, we sold the home direct to buyer, and the people that bought the home also had ZERO obligation to the HOA, not for lack of them trying to make sure that if we sold it, the person buying would be automatically part of the HOA. That was kicked out because, again, the judge was ticked off at them.
As far as I know, the people that bought from us still own the home, and they haven't joined the HOA, which is good, because their fee at $2500 a year. Screw 'em lol
What the fuck. HOW could they even put a bus stop in front of your house?
Good for you! I love hearing stories of people who managed to evade or get out from under the thumb of HOAs.
This would be my dream scenario. Every time they'd come knocking, I'd add another gnome to the front yard. I'd paint my mailbox pink, and I'd have my Christmas lights up all year long. Every time they did something antagonistic, I'd pay them back with more kitsch.
@@ShaferHart Yeah. The house was on the main street in the neighborhood so school busses would hold up traffic in front of our house all the time.
They made the pick up and drop off just a few feet from the end of our driveway.
@@cariwaldick4898 lol. We weren't like that. I think my mom figured someone was paying for the attorneys and all the stuff they were doing. If that's what they wanted to spend the money on, let 'em
Making sure there was no HOA was my #1 weed out criteria when buying a home.
Same. I refused to even think about them, lead alone look at them. It just isn't worth it, no matter how low the price is.
It is definitely very high in my list as well.
Will always be my number one weed out. The government already controls too much of what I can and can't do on my own property.
Same, closing in 30 days or so and I checked for HOA before ever looking at a place
Was it easy to find a place without HOA? How do you avoid it?
The "racoon fee" took me out😂
This is one of those times I'm happy to be Canadian. Aside from the (limited but still) free healthcare, HOAs in Canada are subject to strict regulations and are much more rare than in the US.
Truly, nothing in America can't be turned into a racket to squeeze people and trap them in debt.
Shut up
Government corruption is bad, but privatization corruption is worse.
Oh i agree!!!
The land of the free...
Student loans..medical debt
My mother missed her HOA yearly bill and rather than send her a reminder they sent her to court. She never received anything in the mail saying she had a court date so the HOA won in absentia. What would have been a $140 once a year bill turned into a $6500 lawyer fee. We have a woman that lives on our street that is a member of the HOA and will constantly walk the street looking for things to complain about. I pulled up to my house once and she had opened our garage door and was looking inside. She claimed the door was open and she was "just checking to make sure nothing was wrong. Our garage door is broken and we dont ever open it. I recorded her opening the gate to our back yard recently and we received a letter a few weeks later saying we had "too many ant mounds in our back yard." I showed the letter and the footage to our local police department and we now have a restraining order against her. The next time she violates our privacy I may very well enact castle doctrine or just sue our HOA for harassment.
Yup. You just described the same demand for uniformity that comes from the left and their ilk on a daily basis. Conform or else". Liberalism is a mental disorder.
"The next time she violates our privacy I may very well enact castle doctrine [...]"
Good. You Americans have so many guns, at least put them to good use for once.
I was just think that people need to go after the individuals too not just the HOA
Why are you waiting for the next time mate?
@@girasol911zoomThat’s not happening, unless the individual has done something illegal. The laws and bylaws are full of “save and hold harmless” language to protect board members.
I’m 41. I’m still pretty sure Lastsqueaktonight is more up my alley. Stupid no more pie left to be had.
im surprised with the lack of people going postal
One single person in my neighbourhood tried to start an HOA and the rest of the neighbours decided to throw a block party, not invite her until she apologized for it, and set the DJ in front of her house where he proceeded to do the exact thing she'd been complaining about in the first place: playing "ethnic music" all day (from noon to eight pm). Her husband and kids, for the record, were welcome to the party, fed well, and her youngest even won a round of jumbo connect four
Awesome! 👍 but how is she single and married with kids? 🤔
@@LindaC616 single as in "one person, no one else was joining her in this attempt" not single as in "lacking a partner"
@@kaorufan8 what do you mean “lacking a partner?”
Trol level 9000 is she employed?
@@CaseyWilkesmusic Did you even read their comment in its entirety? "Lacking a partner" as in "single".
As somebody who used to be a manager for a HOA management company, I can tell you that everything in this is 100% correct. I was told by my boss on day 1 that I needed to have my assistant do daily inspections of all my communities and that if she didn't find at least 1 violation during each inspection, she wasn't doing her job correctly.
And the board members are a joke... I oversaw 13 communities and never once did I have a board of directors that were decent people... all self absorbed penny pinchers who wanted to pass on their misery to other hard-working homeowners.
I quit after only 7 months of employment - my breaking point was after an elderly man who had over $30k in back fees... all because he didn't get the boards "approval" to paint his house... and the management company I worked for was in the process of foreclosing on his home.
😨😨 Your story about that old guy..... wow. You almost sold your soul to the devil. 30k$ on bullcrap imaginary fees. 😨😨.........
I'm shocked you lasted 7 months
Wow America sucks
Tyr, that's horrible.
😢
What a perfect ending for Jerry Smith's character. He finds some control befitting his level of spine as an HOA dictator.
At 22:01: to the old guy being removed, bench and all:
" Eat shit, Ted!!"😂
I've received HOA violation letters for the following:
- Having a custom address plate right next to our front door installed by the previous homeowner
- Having a wire through the front of our home to power the front patio sprinkler installed by the previous homeowner
- Listing our spare bedroom for a short-term rental (our address was not even in the listing)
- Having Christmas-style solar powered white lights-which frankly didn't even work-on our balcony railing
- Having our garage door open for "too long"
- Not having plants in our front patio planter
- Having "weeds" in our front patio planter that were not actually weeds
- Having our Ring camera doorbell on our door instead of where our existing doorbell is (where the camera would be useless)
- Having laundry in the window to dry out
- Using a BBQ grill in our front patio
- Having our trash bins out the morning after trash day
Fuck them. So hard.
@@RugMuncherReal "Poor" because I earned an easy $1K per month doing nothing? Whatever you say, kid.
Use those violation letters as toilet paper
@@OC-CPA Poor and lazy. Get a real job.
Bro, that infiuriates me. Imagine buying your own house and not being able to do whatever you wanted to it. Like I’ll paint my house purple if I feel like it and no one can do shit😅
I always find it curious that they give people fines for something the previous owner did, but presumeably not the previous owner. Feels like they single people out.
All the houses in our HOA voted out the board and replaced it with 2 ppl. Then we reduced fees to $250/year and told everyone to do what they want but just keep the front yards looking nice. It was the best 10 years I ever had living in an HOA neighborhood.
In that case, everyone living in a bad HOA should do a board revolution and vote to kick the entire board out.
I am so happy that you and your community was able to get together and overthrow the board. As someone who hates HOAs, that warms my heart. Your community's example is the way an HOA should be, a few people from the community looking out for the community, not some corporate a-holes looking to shake people down.
how about dissolve them all because no one should have to pay a mortgage to be micromanaged plus glorified protection racket money
seriously could some start lawyer start a RICO suit over HOAs
Hopefully no one will ask why those each of those 2 people only have 8 fingers now, but hey, there's no law requiring them to explain it.
My house is 119 years old. The oldest home in my very old neighborhood, which is one of the most lovely neighborhoods in my city. We do NOT have an HOA. Thank god.
Oof. The opening got me good. My sis was born in 1987, and lives in her home her and her husband own....I was born in 1989, and I'm currently trying to find a landlord that will let me have a pet! It's almost impossible where I live and there's no way I'm getting a house in this market lolol
I had the privilege of inheriting a house. Then I learned of the HOA my grandfather had fought for years. They tried to exploit me for thousands and even put a lean on the home but I found my grandfather's old paperwork and now have picked up his old fight. I now understand many of the shouting contests he'd had on the phone.
Believe I heard a Reddit post about someone who inherited their grandparents place. It wasn't apart of the HOA. Didn't stop the HOA from trying to force finds regulations and trying to place a lien on their house with fake paperwork saying that they joined the HOA.
lien on the home
God speed your good fight 👀
Jesus F Christ
If you're going to be a bear ...
BE A GRIZZLY!
outside the box - fortune favors the bold - go for it. Best of luck!
As someone who has never lived in an HOA, I'll never understand how board members of an HOA manage to survive longer than a week without being lynched in the street by their community.
This episode is obviously a "best of" compilation of the most garbage human beings and HOAs to ever exist. Most are not this bad. Either way though I'm not volunteering to give some nanny board of directors control over me and my property.
@@dcgregorya5434 If you have to conceal that you're an HOA in the 1 pt print, yeah you're bad.
Not all HOAs are as bad. Also, he was misleading when he claimed you don't get to know the HOA until you sign a contract. Which is TRUE but most contracts will have a 10day review period where you can review the HOA docs/rules/meeting minutes and all and you can back out.
I'm on the baord of a small HOA we have never sent out a letter let a long a fine in the past 2 years. We really don't give a fuck. We just collect money to take care of the shared areas and plow our private street.
@@abdiazizaideed9038 The fact that you think he lied about something that he didn't lie about means that you, in fact, are a toxic HOA board member.
Pro tip: Disband your HOA. You get overcharged by landscaping services because you're a HOA. You don't need the extra income.
Eno: There is a steep fine for that.
My HOA’s management company is useless so I started telling them that in our email communications. I noticed the “junior account rep” and the management company owner had the same surname so I asked if they were related. The boomer owner was shocked and asked incredulously if I thought that him hiring his failson at 14 years old implied any kind of “favouritism” on his part. He then promoted him to community manager in the same email. I call the boy either “boy” or nepobaby in all our email communications now.
what a bizarre story lmao. i hope you and the nepobaby fall in love and mend the rift
Watch out -- you may get into legal jeopardy from the Boomer unless you can prove his son isn't capable of performing his assigned tasks, or is outright not performing them (and is thus engaged in theft of wages from the HOA). BTW, tax-saving books always recommend employing relatives, incld. one's children, in one's real estate management enterprise; since they are employees you can write off all the expenses of hiring, compensating, training, transporting, etc. them on your business's taxes. Private businesses don't have to adhere to all the open-hire, age-at-hire, and non-discrimination rules public ones do. Tread carefully -- what he is doing is legal!
This is why I live in the country. Everyone has "no trespassing" "trespassers shot on sight" signs and many have enforced them using stand your ground laws. If an inspector comes around here they are likely to not be heard from again. Even the state inspector told me if he cant see it driving down the road he's not bothering to enforce it.
My aunt was going through stage 3 breast cancer and her HOA fined her because she couldn’t bring her trash bins in by 5pm. She was getting fined while going through chemo and crippling medical debt. Thank goodness she has good neighbors and they started bringing it in for her. It’s absolute insanity.
Sounds like the neighbors should maybe run for election to the board. They sound like kind understanding people.
@@artboymoy the neighborhood getting rid of the hoa would be better because who’s to say that her neighbors running the program wouldn’t also do the same thing to someone else
But if the neighbors got on the board, they could start working towards the abolition of the HOA.
i never saw any benefit from HOAs. only grief. sorry for your aunt.- like she needed the harassment for how much...she probably paid over a thousand dollars a month? they charge so much and do so little . a total scam.
It's a money making scheme just like payday lending
Anyone looking for their 1st home should always ask: "Is this part of an HOA"? Can literally mean the difference between peace and insanity.
The fact that someone can purchase a home without knowing it is in an HOA blows me away. In NY where you basically are required to have a Real Estate Lawyer to do a purchase the fact the property was in an HOA would 100% come up before you signed a contract even.
Some HOA fees might also be very high, on top of your mortgage. My in-laws’ home has a $1200/mo HOA fee, on top of their mortgage.
@@michaelell389 If you say “the fact” one more time, you get the meal for free.
I would ask for a legally notarized document stating the house WAS NEVER, IS NOT CURRENTLY, and NEVER WILL BE part of a HOA before buying.
@@michaelell389 I am always surprised to find out there are states with mandatory lawyer review. How do I get that passed in my state? I could use some more clients that have no choice in whether or not to hire me.
Justice for Ted and his bench
Here in Canada, HOA's are subject to strict provincial regulations, and are relatively rare relative to the situation in the US.
When I was in graduate school one of my classmates was a middle aged guy who owned a house in an HOA in Temecula, CA. He removed his front lawn and put in an olive tree and some drought tolerant landscaping. The HOA came after him. However in CA there is apparently a law that renders any restrictions on planting drought tolerant landscaping unenforceable. When the HOA tried to penalize him he took the HOA to court. His olive tree and drought tolerant landscaping stayed right where it was and the HOA had to pay all the expenses they incurred on themselves by trying to collect from him. Thereafter, other members of the community also began removing their lawns and planting drought tolerant landscaping.
Every time an HOA loses in court, an angel gets its wings.
A+ for saving water, increasing the biological diversity of that area, AND fighting that stuck up HOA.
I've read about HOA's in CA fining members for not watering their lawns during a severe statewide drought when state laws made it illegal to water your lawn.
@@shadowninja6689 Maybe they shoulda taken them to court? Idk. I also can't remember if that law was in Temecula city, Riverside County, or California. It may have been a Temecula City law that backed him.
I'm 36, and I'm still convinced I will never own a home and be in debt my entire life...but I want Ted to have his damn bench 😢
Most "home owners" are one missed bank payment away from being homeless.
@@edwardallenthree This.
@@edwardallenthree it's really fucked it's the literally only way for normal ppl to acquire wealth in our psuedofuedalistic society
Same here.
@@edwardallenthree
Or a tax bill away from the likes of BlackStone, seizing the house with government assistance
Wow! Suddenly I feel really really incredible about my 60-year-old fixer upper in a pre-HOA neighborhood. Also acknowledging that even owning a home is a privilege that many people not very much younger than me may never have.
Just to let you all know, as a 22 year old, I did go and watch the Chuckie Cheese episode.. and yes, it is a FULL episode, with ACTUAL well written jokes and the typical John oliver "Guess what, its bad!" So feel free to head on over XD
But does he say "It's true" to an opinion / to some anecdotal point? Without that, it's just not the same. I have no idea what chuckie cheese is, but I'm gonna watch it if he says it
Gotta say, I'm impressed that they didn't bring up Five Nights At Freddy's even once, and even said that kids these days don't like animatronic!
They should link it in the description so the visually impaired can actually hear it.
Yes! Basically this was a two-for-one deal on episodes from LWT! Two great episodes! 😂
@@eat_pray_porg8450 ...I get the feeling he meant for it to be online only, and it just...
Went. Insane. Especially since it was ALL SET UP TO A CALL BACK. Like, 29 minutes for a hilarious callback.
As a 31 year old who will never own a home the Chuck E cheese video was brilliant. I hope everyone else enjoyed their HOA episode
I watched the entirety of both. Long live Amimatronics!
Since that video didn't have comments, I thought I'd just come out here as a former CEC employee and confirm Nolan Busnell's comments he made at about the 25:00 mark. Yeah, that happened.
Also, we all giggled whenever somewhere in the show a character said "But Munch, ..."
I think the "Pop Lock n' Drop it" version of Rockafire would have been a better comedic showoff than the one they picked, though.
With eighty percent of homes controlled by HOAs you are lucky to escape being a home owner.
I’m burdened with all this knowledge about Charles Entertainment Cheese. What do I do with it? There’s nothing to be done but marinate in this newly acquired information.
HOA is truly the HR of the neighborhood.
I knew very little about HOAs before watching this clip. But even then the little bit that I knew was enough for me to know I would never, ever, under any fucking conditions buy a home in such an area. Part of the reason for that is it I’m not a sheep, But the main reason is I just don’t like people telling me what I can do in and/or to my house.
With every new episode I see, I ask myself more and more: "How can this be a real country?"
The Divided States of America, welcome to this abysmal reality.
Money and guns
Im wondering how americans can consider their country "the greatest in the world" at all. It looks nice like a 1st world country but when you know the rules it appears more like a dark age version of a third world country minus the public executions.
As a non-American I wonder why won't US just collapse like every day!
Yeah, Thank fuck I wasn't born in the USA. I *never* want to go there.
I am a young HS Government teacher and I have told my students multiple times that HOAs and School Boards in America are the worst forms of Representation. There is no check on their power.
There is though. In most cities the community can vote out any board member at any time by majority rule. Most of the time HOA's get bad because the home owners just don't pay attention or get involved.
damn this really feels like an episode of "The Good Place"
The biggest requirement to make the statement “tree isn’t tree shaped” is to have a brain that isn’t brain shaped…
I just bought my first home last year. After living in an HOA as a child, the very first "demand" I gave my realtor was, "No HOAs". I don't care if they're giving it away for free. It's a scam that I will never be part of.
I get great amusement from the fact that HOAs were (supposedly) intended to increase/maintain property prices and values. Yet, it's becoming a deterrent to buying the home... meaning the house is worth less.
@Leah Jiraiya Oh trust me, I wanna miss that scam link.
Sounds like hoa’s r just a way to fine and/or foreclose on a homeowner so the HOA can buy the house for $3.00. Essentially, just a group to steal money from those with less money.
keeps the poors and ghjettos out
HOAs were always meant to "keep out the riff-raff" ie the black and poor.
@@ProgessivesBwhitetho "The ghettos"? You mean us jewish folks? You are, of course, referring to the foundry district in Vienna my people were restricted to... unless you're just not saying "black", which is weird AF.
I live in a HOA in Miami where they increased the HOA fees by 300%. It was insane. I had no choice to pay the increase. But the good thing is it pissed off a lot of people. And stuff happened to vote out the board and replace the management company. To then find out the board was stealing money. $2 million roughly in the last 4 years.
Damn! We got a 28% increase this year, but in the 17 years I've been here it's only gone up like 5 times, all of which were about 2-8%
@@katstorm13 Yup, 2 people on the board went to jail.
Prison Ftw
That scandal might be enough to prove breach of contract and let you claw your house out of the HOA alltogether
@@mikeloeven I don't know much about that. But you can look it up. It was the Hammocks HOA community in Miami Florida. All I did was vote to remove the board and elect a new one.
Our HOA in Ohio was outsourced to a company in Texas. They have been a drag on solar panels, not wanting to see them from the street. In other cases, they seem helpless to address legitimate problems. Venture capitalists have taken over HOA's for profit.
Imagine paying a mortgage & taxes for the displeasure of being told what to do w/ your own property!
Can we take a minute to acknowledge how good that guy looks for being 92 years old!?
Snacks & pups help with that
@@asecretone doctors hate snacks & pups
Probably because hes enjoying snacks and puppies all damn day. Damn it that sounds like the best damn day ever.
A lot has changed since people had to stop smoking indoors. Even the smokers look better than the ones in the past because having to smoke outside at least gets them a fresh exchange of air.
When I was a kid I remember my grandma smoking in the Kmart and Montgomery Wards. She had one of those little portable ashtrays that had a clip where you could hang it off of the shopping cart. It had a cigarette holder built into the lid. She died a horrible death at 75 from emphysema. All the white surfaces in her house were BROWN. Her face looked like a relief map of Pennsylvania for as long as I could remember.
My other Grandma didn't smoke, but her husband did. He was 68 when he died after a few strokes reduced him to a miserable shuffling old fart who lived his last 10 years watching TV while smoking and drinking miller lights. He went in '93, so she got a break. She lived till she was 88 and didn't look anywhere near as decrepit as the other two
No we can't. Bc s#^$ is not funny. Email, call, and otherwise legally annoy the f#$@ out of these HOA's.
My mother-in-law got a notice for not having the minimum 3 trees in her yard. When we pointed out to the HOA that she actually had 5 trees in their yard they said they'd send a guy out to inspect and sign off on the violation. Guess what? She got ANOTHER notice for not having 3 trees in her yard. I guess the guy couldn't count. I made the chairman of the HOA meet me at her house and count the trees himself. I even gave him a pencil and paper to make tally marks as he counted the trees. He was not amused.
I am
@@brianbirmingham8458 Me too!
you should've video tape him counting it, and post it on video just to make sure that he can count properly
You have absolutely no right to try and humiliate the chairman of the HOA. Who the hell do you think you are. Hopefully they'll run you out soon like they do all busy-body trouble makers.
That’s hilarious! Would love to have seen that.
The land of the free....
Nowhere else in the world, there's a HAO with that much power.
I was doing a search online just yesterday. Although it was HOA's primarily in Pennsylvania. It says that when buying a home in an HOA they have to let you look at the main regulations they have and you have 7 days to back out of it if you want.
When I bought home which I'm still living in I really didn't know hardly anything about HOA's. It was and still is my first home. The document I had to sign among many about verification that I'm buying a house in an HOA community was not even referred to as an HOA. It was referred to as a PUD, a Planned Unit Development. And back then, 20 years ago we didn't have an outside management company managing it and they didn't have the power to issue out fines. Now they issue out fines and they double every 30 days of not taken care of. And if you do not pay the entire balance off with 30 days they threaten to put a lien on your home thus incuring more fees - legal.
That "selling the house for three bucks" thing is absolutely the sort of thing that should be investigated for money laundering or something similar. As if HOA tactics weren't mafia-like enough already, that one is clearly a racket to trick people into paying for a house, gouge them for extra money, and then when there's no money left to gouge, steal the house back to sell to the next sucker.
Money laundering? Why money laundering? I agree with you that the situation needs investigating and justice but how on Earth is that money laundering?
This is one of the aspects of the story that is completely unbelievable. There is NO WAY that the home was foreclosed on and sold without the homeowner's knowledge. The foreclosure process is well spelled out in law and requires a lot of mandatory notices. Also, if there's a mortgage on the house, the bank would also have been informed and taken action well before the $3 sale. There's definitely something fishy about this part of the story.
racketeering maybe?
@@mjenkins65 It's unbelievable because it's not true. That's what's called a sheriff's sale, which often goes for little to nothing, because you're selling the house subject to the first mortgage. In other words, you buy the owner's interest in the house, but the first mortgage company still owns it. This doesn't happen until after a lawsuit.
I it as the same. Just a big scam.
We bought a house specifically because there was no HOA. Turns out the current city government started as an HOA, and still has many of the same nonsense restrictions, just without the dues. We’re fighting to overturn one of those ordinances this summer. Wish us luck!
You're still paying dues, they just call them taxes now.
Good luck bb! A pox on those bottomfeeding wastes of air
Violence is cheaper. Stink smoke balls are a fraction of the price and can be thrown anywhere. Ruin lives back.
@@TheMarjolein96but at least there is some transparency, judicial oversight and procedural rules that put a bit if an (imperfect) limit on abuses of power.
Basically, they try to passing their responsibilities to another. What a scheme.
I've never met a HOA I didn't laugh at and I damn sure won't be stopping now.
Thank you for the warnings, Mr. Oliver
It's always incredible to learn how much is broken in the US.
The US is so broken and messed up that you would think it was built upon thousands of old Indian Burial Grounds.
"Greatest country in the world" only applies if you're rich, everyone else is treated as expendable fodder for capitalism AT BEST.
I'm glad I'm at the other end of the birth cycle. We are killing each other very slowly.
And this is, why over here we roll our eyes, every time Americans condescendingly tell us, that all our rules and regulations are stealing our freedom and crap like that. No, our rules and regulations GIVE us freedom. Coz theyre there to protect us, among many many other things from being exploited like this.
Hoa is what is fixed about USA. Unless sec 8 is allowed there you can avoid ghetto scumbags you run into outside the hoa. Sign me up.
My number one rule when I looked for a house every time I moved in the past 20 years was to never buy a home in an HOA controlled neighborhood. That rule still applies if I ever move again.
WHen the ghetto moves in you will wish you had one. Mkay
With all the stories I've heard over the years it's the same with me, if I ever decide to be closer to town than I am HOA's are a no-go for me unless I can get an Iron-clad exemption reviewed by my lawyer. If I own not just the building but also the land upon which it sits who the hell are you to tell me how I must run my house? And my sovereignty would be enforced through law and force which I would make abundantly clear before day one.
I'm grateful to have bought property in an older neighborhood with no HOAs. If the neighbors want to paint their house purple, put up a flagpole or park a boat in their front yard, it doesn't annoy me in the slightest -- it's a symbol of freedom. One could say that the lack of rules lowers property values, but that does not apply here -- where ANY single family house is worth over $800,000. I am not gratified at all by the upsurge in local housing prices -- I am saddened by it.
I don't know how people in those creepy communities can feel like they really own their homes . And the fact that they conceal the HOA "agreements" from prospective buyers is shady af. They're flat-out acknowledging that their intrusive rules threaten to bring DOWN everybody's property value.
@Nancy McMonarch they're flat out asking for themselves to be visited by the modern day equivalent of a Pinkerton payed for by everyone else in the community, you want to act like an unregulated organization? Be prepared to deal with the consequences in any number of unconventional ways.
"Home of the free" 😆
I'm here for two things, munchin snacks and scratchin backs. And I'm all outta snacks...
Imagine an HOA where the membership fees are collected and used to help people maintain lawns, roofs, and stuff instead of just.....fining people.
We have a giant island with a gazebo in the middle of our neighborhood. Serves no real purpose. HOA pays a lawn care company to trim those lawns. IT would take them, with all their tools, another hour maybe to then go over all our tiny townhome lawns. Do they do that? ...No! Why would they do something to help the people they take money from every month...
That is exactly what my uncle’s condo fees pay for. All of their lawn care and gardening is done for them (unless they opt out of the gardening… my aunt does it herself for fun)
This is what our new board is working towards. I'm so pleased.
A M E N !
@Lind Morn lmao "communism is when the government does stuff"
Root cause of almost everything John discusses: privatization and for-profit companies in almost every sector of American society.
I mean that's not the issue. The issue is you're forced into a covenant that strips your normal property rights and due process rights. That's thanks to the government, not thanks to the tattles hired to snitch on rules violations. I couldn't bind you into a contract like that no matter how hard I tried it takes an act of government to allow that kind of fuckery.
HOAs should be banned already. They certainly aren't helping make housing more affordable or solving the housing crisis. Why secure a mortgage to be micromanaged?
@@kitcoffey7194 because it alleviates the stress on the local govt. Now your local city doesn't have to do the job we pay taxes for, like maintain roads, utilities, and trash.
@@dcgregorya5434 Privatization and deregulation is what caused that. It's not thanks to the government in that sense, it's thanks to the government being eroded and replaced by private entities that are not democratic.
You obviously never had to deal with a government permit board.
Seeing Chris Parnell do this is the icing on the cake.
I can't help but wonder if these informative pieces are spreading enough awareness to help change things in the US because every episode shows that some really urgent action needs to be done to mend the a really messed up issue.
After living for a while in a development that had an HOA, never again. Just one of the reasons: my neighbor was out of work for an extended period, and they were really struggling to make ends meet. The HOA came down super hard on them for having paint flaking off his eaves, and threatened a near-immediate fine that was super extreme. Because the family were hurting for money, this man in his late 50s climbed onto a 22 foot ladder to paint his eaves and trim, which were over 16" feet high. You're seeing where this is going. When he fell, he broke his leg & hip, and dislocated his shoulder. HOAs are a scourge on the country.
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It sucks how universal they are. We had an HOA and it wouldn't allow me to work on my car on the weekends with the garage door open. So we moved, and with the realtor were like "What else in the area is in our price range?" "There are over 150 houses for sale" Ok, how many aren't in an HOA? "3"
And see? You are doing your part in dissolving the HOA system by moving out and not engaging. This episode has me seriously confused. HOAs are shit, they've always been shit. So, don't buy a home in an HOA development. Problem solved
@@12x2richter Almost invariably when a suburban neighborhood is built an HOA is established to run things. You pretty much have to buy your own land and build a new home these days to keep yourself out of an HOA.
Did you not read the part where the homeowner was struggling to make ends meet? Also, if a bit of flaky paint can destroy the value of the neighborhood, then the property wasn’t worth very much to begin with and we’re all being scammed.