The Holy Grail, Finally Found: U.2 to PCIe4 Adapters that Work!
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Editor's note. This is the video with the M.2 breakout cable.
Watching Wendell go off the deep end always brings me joy. Keep on keeping on Level1.
Time traveler?
@@Martin_Speed I was wondering that...
@@Martin_Speed Patreon
Slowly watching more and more of Wendell going deep, Love it .
Yet another thing that shouldn't be that hard that's finally solved! It's still NVMe over PCIe...what was the problem?
OMG, the first minute of this video is gold! GOLD!!!!!
I cannot wait for PCIE-6 to come out roght as Wendal finishes getting PCIE-4 to work properly
Holy moly, seeing the Wendell before and now comparasion is awesome! 2:10
SFF Wendell
I feel his pain. Trying to slim down myself.
Looking good bud
(Since he talked on the L1 Links Show numerous times about it I consider it okay to mention it) Almost dying because of a tick bite is a great motivator for getting into better shape. An elderly friend of my mom’s had a similar tick bite incident and a heart attack shortly after and they are wondering how to get her into better shape since she refuses to make any lifestyle changes but is depending on help from others which is pretty straining on their relationships.
Bitten by a radioactive tick. Developed tick powers.
I didn't see any "link below" do you mean in the forums somewhere?
The more we get to see Wendell personality come through on these videos the better they get!
That intro was great!
And I love this sort of weird use case hacking.
what an awesome intro... you are correct on the mobo situation, seems they just want two slots and a bunch of plates covering everything up , kinda like todays car engines covered in plastic .. I miss having 4 and 5 slots, but i miss 5.25 bays also.. lol.. I guess it is because i use my machines for more than just a gaming machine or media watcher.. cheers.
Congrats Wendell on the video and information but also on your health!
Yeah he looks great 🙂
Did anyone catch the name of that card/cable or where to get it? He said he would post it in the description . . . (PS, I use an oculink cable on a pcie x4 Gen 4 riser for my p5800 and I seem to still get full bandwidth)
I agree with you Wendell, modern motherboard makers are batshit crazy. They think "enthusiast" is the "gamer" that has one gpu, one nvme, and a tiny form factor case. Meanwhile im over here using expansion slots like crazy, tons of 3.5 HDD's and just, ugh. Don't get me started on case manufacturers and their "two 3.5 bays or less" motif. Many cases having ZERO 3.5 slots. Its bullshit. And the few cases you can still get that have tons of HDD space, you can't fit a full size gpu in. So I am just "shit out of luck"....
I honestly want a case that the motherboard lays flat. Kind of the those Thermaltake cases, but without all the dumbass glass. They used to make that case with metal and holes all over, why didn't they just keep that going? This whole "hot box glass case" bullshit is not enthusiast at all. Its for stupid people who want their PC to run hot. and then as you pointed out motherboard's.... ive seen quite a few boards with only 4 sata connections. FOUR. not even six. i would prefer eight..... hell maybe ten. I am just so tired of enthusiast being related to "gamer" because they aren't enthusiast at all. I mean I get it, there are a LOT of gamers out there, but that doesn't make them "enthusiast" that makes them "common"....
Dont forget that it's literally impossible at this point to have HDDs AND water cooling in a case these days in general. "This case totally has a few HDD slots and can totally fit 10 radiators in it" - but actually it should say OR.
@@Basement-Science its not impossible. The cases today suck ass. Many have dual chamber design but back chamber is wasted space
@@goblinphreak2132 Yeah, last time I checked the only cases that could fit everything I would want were crazy oversized for what they should be - tons of wasted space in them where it's not even possible to put ANYTHING in much of that space because there aren't even any mounting holes or anything.
@@Basement-Science again, poor case design, but 100% possible
@@goblinphreak2132 Of course it's technically possible. Just not in a reasonable, space-efficient way without modifying the case yourself.
Love the thumbnail and facial expression. "Me a knight looking for the holy grail? I only took this job because I thought the coffeemaker looked better than in my previous job, what's going on?". Intro was a classic too. Can't go wrong with the Monties.
I don't see any links for the products?
Good info as always. I think it is time for Enterprise drives to come to desktops. The big boys who sell business and home drives don't want you to tell the world. Your going to change the industry and thier market pricing scheme. In my opinion, in a non server room of the home 3.5 spinning rust is dead and 2.5 SSD are way too slow these days and capacity is an issue. 2.5 inch U.3 SAS drives with much larger capacity and great speeds is the future in higher end Desktops. You may pay more but you get a dependable Hard Drive. Also, we need workstation Motherboards where you dont always need an adapter. It has taken them forever to provide some 10 gig ports on motherboards and it will take them forever for them to put SAS internal ports on Desktop boards, or never. They control all the strings.
Since there don’t seem to be links in the video’s description the store where to get the M.2-to-Gen-Z adapter and the cable is called MicroSATACables. I can’t post links but they have a website and an eBay store.
I feel like an enabler giving this insane person my $2 monthly...
Now if only we had a cheap PCIE 5.0 x16 to 4.0 x32 PLX Switch!
exactly, we have little use for PCIe 5.0 x16 bandwidth yet but would greatly like the break that out to multiple PCIe 4.0 devices.
or even silly things like PCIE 4.0x4 -> 2x V3.0x4 to properly double up older m.2s
M.2 -> SFF-8654 (40cm) -> M.2 -> PCIe 4x works to reclaim some of my precious slots. It's also low profile enough to fit in my ncase N1 on the back of my itx board.
With a chain consisting of that many individual parts I would only trust it up to PCIe Gen3 and do extensive testing how many PCIe Bus Errors occur.
Soooooo I’m literally trying to do this right now! P5800x 400gb as my main drive. Going to be in a 14900k build. Any update on your adapter? Or any updated advice on how to do this? Any help would be appreciated!
Hello there, thank you for this, finally i can have a SSD with enough size to install not only Warzone, now i can install other games on the same drive.
I am looking for a 8tb SSD with pci 4.0 speeds since a long time but the normal m.2 8tb drives are far more expensive than the u.2 or u.3. I would love to get the m.2 adapter you mentioned in this video. Where can i get the information about this adapter?
Warzone, the old pumpkin studio's title, or another warzone?
@@MatthewSwabey call of duty
Can you run an ATTO benchmark to show how these improve performance over the out-of-the box adapter that Intel provides for their U.2 drives (e.g. the 905p)?
End up finding any benchies for this setup?
At this point to get more PCIE slots you have to buy an SSI EEB-spec motherboard. (The normies among us call them E-ATX but if you watch Gamers Nexus you know E-ATX is not a thing).
For a laugh I slotted a P1600X in my 7480 Dell Lattitude laptop as the main system drive. Works fine. Also a few weeks ago I added a 375GB P4800X U2 to my system using a Startech x4 card. Works a treat! Not PCIe4 but...just in case.
This is why I can't wait to get on Sapphire Rapids or some AMD equivalent platform to have so many PCIe lanes where you don't have to adapt M.2 slots.
My dream is to have some Icy Dock cages for both U.2 and E1.s (they have an e1.s cage in concept)
And you can get PCIe cards with redrivers so you can take the lanes from your slots and run it to the cages
Yes, more PCIe lanes than i.e. AM5 are nice - but as a matter of fact much better usage of PCIe-lanes would be possible. Asus sells an AM4 motherboard with an PCIEx16 x8 x8 x8 setup and an U.2 on board - nothing like this is available for AM5. Gigabyte i.e. degraded the Aorus Xtreme* from AM4 to AM5 by diverting many lanes to M.2 but cutting the lanes for the 2nd (only 4) and 3rd(only 2) PCIe-slot as well as the lanes available for SATA.
*Buildzoid even called the boartd an file copy enthusiast board...
I just rewatched Monty Python yesterday, coincidence I think not!
Cool intro Wendel !!! I watched this twice. I love enterprise grade hardware (but rarely can afford it) So Wendel. you are the man. I need this adapter. Wendel is SO correct about the lack of PCIE connections on consumer high end Motherboards. I have an Asus Z790 Maximus Extreme.
You have reached level 2 young Wendell , proceed through the portal for your next quest.
Just staring at that WRX80 SAGE system and thinking about how ASUS finally fixed the broken CDROM emulation in the BMC, when loading ISO from the micro SD card. I MAY have emailed ASUS about it roughly a month ago, with a video showing it being broken, and they sent me some firmware to test that fixes it. Is so happy.
Only just noticed how much weight Wendell seems to have lost, congrats dude!!!
also, RIP optane
😭
Using my food handlers liscense I sneak 6 corndogs into buffets across the country. I'm on a mission to spread kindness with corndogs! I place the corndogs in my jacket pockets, enter the buffet amd head for the fried food section, I place the corndogs sneakily on a tray and then sit back and watch as other patrons of the buffet enjoy eating my corndogs thinking they came from the buffet and not my jacket pockets.
I am using this NGFF PCI-E 16X to 4 Ports U.2 U2 Split Expansion Card SFF-8639 NVME PCIE SSD Adapter from Aliexpress for my Optanes. It works, but I would prefer if it worked in x8 mode for 2 drives, So I could also use the second x16 slot on my AM4 motherboard. Unfortunately it only works if the slot is in full x16 (4x4x4x4) mode.
I was looking at that exact card and wondered if it can do 1-port operation in a single X4 slot (16-wide physically but only X4 lanes in total). I guess it can't? I ended up getting the single-port version instead since I wasn't brave enough to try the 4-port version.
Now that PCIe Gen4 is almost “too easy” let’s start the circle of pain all over again with PCIe Gen5 adapters :)
4:16 The greatest latest Broadcom Support Quest howler is you describe issues with the latest firmware and drivers, they say they know about the issues, then they backpaddle (“It’s not a bug!”) and just send you a link to the latest firmware. #BSoDcom
Wow, Broadcom is reaching new lows: Years after releasing the P411W-32P they now plan to “remove support” for directly connected SSDs (which they sold expensive cables for) and say that you have to use it with an UMB backplane or an old bug-infested firmware. It’s not like their latest firmware works well.
They really suck.
And ...... I don't see ANY link where I can purchase this? WENDELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I too, love descending into tech madness....muahahahaa
Good to know it exists and works. Gimme and ssd like that and I will use a u.2 port somewhere 😁👍🏼 BTW, doesn't Asrock made a m.2 to u.2 kit that works?
Asrock m.2 to u.2 works as gen3 only(
So basically future high end motherboards should reduce on board connections and leave the PCIEs for add-on cards. It's like a more modular design is needed for the enthusiasts. If they leave all the bandwidths for the PCIEs you could put any crazy card in there. Extra sata, extra nvme, extra 10gb nice. Nvme on board take up to much space.
Hahaha I loved the fractured sanity at the end. Gold.
I was really curious about getting a P5800X just to have the incredible IOPS and latency and durability, but I suspected it would be a chore like this. Thanks for figuring out how to make it happen.
The easiest way to get two U.2/U.3 PCIe Gen4 reliably to work is the PCIe x8-to-2xU.2 adapter Delock 90091 that can actually handle PCIe Gen4. There are many, many similar adapters from Amazon/eBay/AliExpress et al. that can actually only function up to PCIe Gen3 properly and cause a boat load of PCIe Bus Errors as soon as you use them with PCIe Gen4 SSDs.
@@abavariannormiepleb9470 Is the price of the Delock 90091 really $288 (262 euros)? That seems high since there don't seem to be any components on the board, it's just a PCI slot with a couple of whatever those connectors are called on the U.2 SSD.
haha, makes me laugh a bit. You saved me massive headaches on a video I watched where you said Gen 4 was difficult. I've learned to live with Gen 3 for my enterprise nvme SSDs. In my use case with 10gbe in my home, it's absolutely fine. I never want to look at another HDD again.
I really hate M.2 slots in general. Give me PCI-E slots instead any day of the week. I think the only reason motherboard makers get away with these layouts is because most people dont have anything other than one GPU and maybe one SSD. At least in a PCI-E slot, cooling is actually possible, unlike in stupid M.2 slots.
That's not a horse, your just using coconuts
Love this kind of content 👍
Highly entertaining & informative.
Pls keep sharing your madnesses.
Wow this video aged quickly...just a year later and I'm looking for a good U.3 MCIO cable.
Honestly it seems like enthusiasts are obsessed with the overclocking potential so IO has just gone out the window.. or at least that's what marketing seems to think.. and we all know what marketing seems to think, is what we are given.. I mean we got the 2/3 of a keyboard for more money, that vomits rainbow Skittles somehow.. and well yes like most problems in computing we can blame gamers.. but, a lot of this is marketing's fault too.
So wait, i cannot just connect a 905p 960GB U.2 SSD into a new AM4 motherboard m2 using PCIE 4 or 5.0 with the given m.2 connector?
Yeah so basically your idiot obsession with these drives has got me buying one now, I've ordered it. So I'm going to need one of those cables please!!! ♥♥♥ (plz import the 'right one' no really....)
thanks wendell i know its late but i was able to get a micron 9300 pro to work with this adapter and cable setup. working on a msi x670e godlike,running it in a gen 4 m.2 slot.Correction also tested in pcie gen 5 slot in upper right corner, plug and play no issues to note
As an Optane user I approve of this video! Slammin the like!
Too bad my motherboard's M.2 slot is right under the GPU. I'd need the cable to come out horizontally towards the M.2 slot contacts for it to fit below my GPU.
Are you kidding me.. 🤦♂️ So the Intel M.2 cable kit from the 900p is not feeding my P5800x at the full speed 😱 (Will have to test it now)
Why does he say there's a link to the "whatever" and there never is? My Micron 9400 aren't playing nice in the card that they're in ATM. I needed that adapter card, please.
:(
PCIe devices are supposed to be backward compatible. Why won't PCIe 4.0/5.0 drives work with 3.0?
Great reference for the blue verses red question.😊
I'm a more simple man than you wendell, just bought a 1TB WD SDD for £60 to cache a 12TB steam drive.
I was thinking of getting PCI 128gb Optane but it was £160 and that it is not really enough data for the caching games using PrimoCache, and the 340gb PCI optane are £600-800 so I'll stay with the pleb m.2 ssd's.
You are in the Enthusiast 0.0001% supreme optane godlessness speeds group! ha
Thanks, I was looking for one of those to buy a PCIe5 enterprise drive. Yeah, I'm one of the crazy ones. But when I saw the price ~30$ on amazon or ~10-700$ on aliexpress(which is exactly the same hardware) I just let it go
I can tell you why the industry is "Taking your PCI ports" - the PCI slots we'd normally be able to use is being covered by GPUs. What we _really_ need is a fibreglass PCB that'll take the 1x PCI ports from the motherboard and redirect them to M.2, which can then be adapted to any variety of things as-needed to add functionality in the absence of using PCI conventionally.
To get fast ssd’s you need a genZ adapter. The zoomer generation strikes again
Sure, they maintain their speed, but have you tested that the optane latency isn't decreased by this franken-config?
Wendell, those M.2 to U.2 adapters come with the 905p drives. What am I missing?
905p is pcie3. p5800x is pcie4. as are most modern enterprise grade ssds
@@Level1Techs Ooooh! I didn't get that watching the video. My bad. It's PCIe 4 specifically that you wanted. Not sure how I missed that. It's in the title as PCIe 4, but I didn't put 2 and 2 together.
@@Level1Techs Where can we find this "bizzaro adapter" you're talking about in the video? There are many similar things and I don't see a link or part mentioned in this video...
What is your work load that demands these speeds Wendell?
Feeding the algorithm with like/sub/bell and comment.
PSA: make a hotkey to help👌
wendell i am not seeing the links for the product you mention. can you help me
Just recently played this game with a Sonnet Fusion Dual and Intel Optane 900p and an Intel P4510 8TB.
Please!!! we are all waiting for "insane person reliable pcie device interface kits" store !
this black shell is different?
what size is this?
this is 900P?
I gave a like for the intro alone!
There's a joke, about Gen Z destroying the traditional enterprise market, in here somewhere.
I haven't really seen a side by side, Wendell you've lost like 50-100 lbs haven't you?
8:29😍😍 window of insanity, more please. Let's get INSANE IN THE MEMBRAIN!
I wish I could get my hands o na 256gb or even 512gb full optane ssd
Wendel and the Holy Grail
And now here's something we hope you really like...no link to the promised land as promised!
Something I always wanted to know. IS there a really any PCIE splitters between gens?
Example, PCIE v5 x4 split into a PCIE 2 x pcieX4 v4 or 1x pciEx8 v4
No.
Why would there be a need? v5 is backwards and forwards compatible anyway, yes? I mean, you can throw a Gen4 GPU into a Gen2/3 slot or vise versa and it'd work. Unless you're talking of something with its own controller so you can get the Gen5 speed split over two slots instead of having it default to the slower speed... And even then, bifurcation exists on modern boards as well as the x16 to x8x8 risers that I know of. But that's to add 2 x8 to 1 x16, opposite of what you're looking for.
@@georgebrandon7696 I do not think you understand. If you're going to Gen3 from a Gen4 port, you're losing 50% bandwidth.
Example: I have 2 8X Gen2 Network cards, I only have ONE x8 Gen4 slot.
Can the x8 gen 4 be split into 2x Gen3 or Gen2 with a splitter card with chip?
I know that you can do this with the same gen using a riser card (those used for mining for example)
@@TravelWithCesarin I specifically mentioned making up the speed, yes? Did you skip over a few words? So yes, I do understand. But literally nobody is going to take up 2 PCIe slots for one single device. Even in the data science world where saturating lanes is important. Better off using x8x8 with two GPUs than trying to stick one GPU onto two x8 slots. And today's modern cards in gaming? Yeah, adding a second, even at x16x16, the gains are negligible. That's why SLI/Crossfire is all but out the door. Why you think motherboard designers are only sticking 2, MAYBE 3 x16 slots, the very issue this video is about? If you absolutely need that speed gain to the point you're willing to take up two slots with a single device, you're gonna be on a TR Sage board.
@George Brandon but we're plugging in a lot of other stuff, not just PHAT GPUs, and sometimes we're ok with cards not being in official slots. I've got an X299 board with 4 slots, every one is full and I wish I had two more. One of the cards is a Gen 2 in a Gen 3 slot, another one is a x16 in an electrical x8 but really I don't care so long as it has x4, I'd rather have another slot. Or if I could take the single x16 Gen 5 slot on my new AM5 board, bifurcation it to 4 x4 lanes, then somehow mux each of those from x4 Gen 5 to x16 gen3 that would be AWESOME!!!!! So many random uses. . . .
has anyone tested this going through a sonnet multi function card? I'm trying to do something crazy
my gawd, you have lost so much weight since i last caught this channel!
congratulations sir.
I hate that I don't know anymore I can chortle with after watching that intro.
It's £150 for a cable! A CABLE!!!
Rip Optane. You will be missed.
Great video except i think the camera needs some glasses! 😅
Do you need bifurcation for pcie card with 2 u2 ssd?
12th and 13th gen CPUs have no Optane support, according to Intel. $1100.00 for 400GB is very expensive. Intel overcharged for its better memory instead of trying to dominate the market at lower then average price points. This is why I went with four Crucial 4TB M.2 NVME in RAID10.
they dont have the crappy hybrid optane support but you can run 905p / p5800x no prob
Why dont u just get a Broadcom 9600-24i tri adapter and get 6 u.2 Slimline to minisas hookups. Some ebay resellers selling 15.36TB u.2 drives for 750 per drive
Will the bios uefi still see the u.2 drives, just not be able to boot on them directly since there inserted in an adapter?
Is there a guide, to what dipswitches need to be set per motherboard?
$146 for a cable? Jesus christ!
Wendell lose some weight. Looking good bud.
Great stuff Wendell! I too lament the PCIe layout of the new motherboards - I want to mess with rdma and have my storage in another machine :P
Also from my day job your Broadcom experience matches mine to the letter...
It was I (and recently another user in the forum) that has been in Broadcom Support Hell for almost a year. :(
We are the knights who say... NVMe?
WE MUST PROTECT THIS MAN AT ALL COSTS
This video us useless without coconuts!!
An African or European swallow?
honestly, just give us only m.2 slots lol
Great video man, keep posting, ha ha ha, haaa haaa haaa.
How many get the Monty Python homage?
LMAO!
I see what you did.
Good lord man your audio is low
such a great intro lol.
Ahh Monty Python is the best!
Interesting stuff!