I read about a lot of managers, producers & record labels trying to place outsiders in existing bands. Comes down to the who you know aspect you talk about. They will say its not personal but when a person is involved, it is.
All of this, which is accurate and excellent reporting on how the rock industry works, makes me glad I’m a bluegrass musician. We never expected anything but community and tradition. That’s exactly what we got no matter what the Bluegrass Unlimited article said about your record. Peace.
I have had a front row seat to a different and mega successful band. But, they made the industry bow to them…a lightening strike at best…and a testament to the management that didn’t take jack shit from anyone. Hell, and no shit, this band refused an opening slot for the stones. Talk about stones. Real dedication.
I was asked to do a World Tour and turned it down as the Drummer! I really didn't think I could do it. As You know how grueling it can be. Jets, Lack of sleep, Excessive Stress,Etc.I never stopped playing Music over 20 Years later I found Producer Warren Huart after much prayer. I am really happy now Days playing in the Big Leagues. There are no Deadlines, work at Your own pace. So if Your Ill or the Music Bug (inspiration) has left, You can always try again when up to it. Its Not Like a Music Career where Your under the Gun. I still Think "What if" but having a Great Producer has laid it to rest quite a Bit. 🥁🎸🎧📻🌎
This made me think about the Ramones, in the States, they played clubs and small halls almost the entire time. They would pack them out but they travelled in the van. They occasionally got the big gigs in South America and made some money. They travelled cheap, ate tacos all over or gas station sardine cans most all of the time. But, Joey Ramones invested his money. Johnny Ramone did something like that and was a conservative spender and they ended up in a good spot financially. They came out okay on a road most bands die on.
Ramona’s played at UConn’s Spring Concert - I was stunned the school lined them up - it was a great, great show …turns out they played anywhere and everywhere …
@@billdekoskie5502 I saw them in late 80s at a small club in Charlotte NC. The park elevator building brick warehouse loudest assault I've ever heard fast and loud!!!
The outgrow your band comment is spot on. We jammed with a guy named (Dan Wathke?). We all knew that his talent level and our talent level were different. He was way above us. He ended up going to Nashville and working as a studio bass player for several known artists. We would go out as a band and he would stay behind, lock himself in his room and practice for days. He was known around town as Dan, the bassist, never just Dan. It's sometimes funny how starting out (usually high school age) you just want to find 4-5 guys who play and interested in the same style of music, who's personalities blend so you can make it through practices and gigs without hating each other. Then you need a certain look, to reaching a certain talent level that it doesn't matter as much, to just going back to wanting to jam for the love of music, which is why you started playing in the first place..............plus you always got the girls😂
Your philosophy concerning this subject can certainly be applied to countless career choices. Even someone who is trying to develop a product where the widget they invented needs numerous tweaks before it suddenly becomes the rage. Or just figuring out how to market it. When you believe in it down in your bones, stay in the game!
In 1983 interviews with Lars of Mettalica, he mentioned that they might replace the two, non-main members, Kirk and Cliff. But they got so big within three years and kept going up from there that management would have been crazy to can anyone.
I think we all have to remember that in the end, why did we even get into this? It’s because Music is in our heart and we love Music, so people like this should definitely never give up because it’s about the Music and if you keep doing what you love someone else is gonna pick you up and take you further, I played in a band with the former drummer from Cinderella, very similar story, but he got canned because the other drummer’s dad was the record executive and he wouldn’t sign the band unless his son was playing drums, so my friend got the boot, but he continued to play and he ended up doing more gigs And continuing on, I’ve found when I focus on what I love instead of trying to get the record deal, the phone starts ringing and new opportunities manifest, great info thank you!
The perfect example of perseverance over adversity: Dave Mustaine. Can you imagine how he must have felt in 1983 after Metallica sent him packing? And then after that when they exploded into the biggest metal act in the world? THAT is pain. I don't know if he deserved to be fired or not, I wasn't there, but look how far his desire to succeed took him with Megadeth, and I imagine the main force behind his drive was the seething sense of betrayal and desire to get even. Well played Dave, well played.
In my mind, Dave is the better guitarist to begin with - although Hetfield is tremendous at his own style and created a new thing - but Dave was given a detour by the universe and he showed his strength and will and came out in great shape….ok, not the multi-generational wealth as Metallica, but how much do you need? Dave is the captain of his own ship and it’s a darn good ship!
I've done a little bit of producing, and when I produced bands I always insisted on using the musicians. I can remember how I felt when I was starving on the Road on a gig only to have The Barkays do the session. I told the front man of the band I was producing it wasn't worth the ill will. Kudos to Jason Aldean, Zak Brown and Tim McGraw for using their Road Guys
Had my first experience a couple years ago with a producer and decided that will be my last unless by some chance I'm signed to a record label. When we got our product both my cofounder and I found significant parts we had written for our songs had been completely wiped out and replaced...his guitar parts and my drum parts. Needless to say neither of us were amused. This tribal drum beat I had come up with for the bridge part of one of our more punk songs had been completely wiped and replaced with just a straight beat along with cowbell parts I threw into other songs. For the most part it really didn't sound like me on the drums at all except for certain parts here and there. Going back into the studio in January, this time using an engineer instead of a producer.
The other extreme, from can't find a singer. I've always been in the home-team grid that feeds into the farm-team, Brad. But Im happy just to be still pickin' and grinnin'. Dadgummit, I'm old enough to be manager!
I have a friend whose band was signed to Atlantic. Atlantic made them change so much they weren’t even recognizable. Starting with the name of the band which was No Address (as in always on the road) to New Address. They controlled the so much in the studio that they killed the dynamics.
@ I know it does and I certainly understand where you are coming from about session musicians and all that but I’m pretty positive they would have sold better if they’d been given a bit more space to function. Randy went on to do session work, fill in when other drummers in big bands had health issues, even played with Pat Travers for a few years. The experience he did get was pretty awesome.
Life lessons from the bad man .road warriors and the fine people who reach a point where their love reaches a point it's primary if not only income,we can learn from them. Or a practically lifetime church organists or pianists who did it free as their service ,trees of wisdom as well.
They sure are….look at Geoff Tate with QR. Look at Richrath and REO Stationwagon….of they have the historical hits, the doorknobs will down their Coors Light and go hear the songs and love it…..or look at “Styx”. Are you kidding me? Is that Styx? 🤣🤣🤣
The drummer Mark Herndon of the band Alabama wasn`t allowed to play on the albums....but...they were doing a demo take of the song Mountain Music in the studio and that`s the one used on the album. He was with them on their way to the top but was absolutely screwed by the others since they were related. They did their best to leave him in poverty. Mark was a huge influence on the drumming style of Country Music in the 80s and the way he was treated was disgusting! Read his book, "The High Road: Memories From A Long Trip."
I was doing the rise this past year with a young country artist and now she’s on a major production. After this I’m waiting to either be shitcanned or gigging like crazy. We’ll see. lol
@@bradhardisty1652 Thanks man! That's what I prefer for sure. She was playing as an acoustic duo with an ex-bandmate of mine when she approached me about turning it into a full band. I was skeptical about doing it because I'm 43 and twice her age! I was like, hey, why not try to get a younger guy to drum, but they wanted me. So, I brought in the bass player I wanted and we've kicked ass all year. After we started jamming though, I quickly realized she was full of talent. Seeing her getting this level of attention has been wild. I've been playing local gigs all of my life, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't want to rock some bigger stages. But, I'm happy to be shitcanned too, knowing I drove the bus to Nashville county lines and dropped her off, figuratively of course. lol
@allenmitchell09 from my own experience there was a sweet spot from about 42-48 where I was playing guitar in original bands with guys that were between 25-29. It felt weird but I fooled myself thinking I looked 35 back then..anyway, enjoy the ride.
I've been in a very similar situation with an artist who happened to live down the street from me. Except as the artist was blowing up in a big way, she became more enamored with getting married to this guy she met and pursued having a family. Getting that call hurts just like Brad said, but I continued to push, ended up getting opportunities and I'm living a good life now. I think the main battle in my mind was the desire for more. Never being satisfied in the moment, only craving more has wasted many years of my life. I wish I could go back and actually LIVE in those moments instead of having my mind in other places. All in all we are in control of our own ship and each decision steers the path we take. I wish you all the success going forward.
Matt Sorum was in a band with Tori Amos. I think when she got deal, bye bye band. Maybe it was record company who said get rid of the band. Theres bit funny picture Sorum with Tori Amos band, they looked more like Tears For Fears from 80s. Few years later Sorum is hard rocker in GnR with new image. I guess it panned out quite well after all 😂
I'm a retired union ironworker, local 377 San Francisco. Not a musician but really enjoy your content. I retired to my wife's hometown Sierra Vista Arizona. No traffic. Heaven on earth. Concerts are in the Tucson or Phoenix area when I want entertainment. Other than that or visiting kids I love my boring little town. Keep em coming Brad.
Made me think of John Sykes, even tho he was already well known, if he got the credit and another album with Whitesnake...woo... He never really recovered from that, and in some ways may be better off as a result of it... at the end of the day that is :)
Possibly anothe Icarus who got to close to the sun and you no doubt could do a great coverage of this story A Brazilian judge has ordered a song by British pop superstar Adele, Million Years Ago, be pulled worldwide - including on streaming services - over a continuing plagiarism claim by a Brazilian composer.
@@badbrad Very and I wonder what the real truth is behind this story. Sad to see someone reach the top and take such a fall. Reminds me of the George Harrison case dealing with his song "My Sweet Lord." Music making can be a crazy world at times. Thanks
I recall a producer/musician of note who produced Billy Joel. This was after Billy had a few hits. I think he fired the entire Band. I think a combination of their work ethic and ability..
The reality is this - if you are in it for the instrument and for your growth and development and to understand, feel and create musicality, you definitely will not give up. It’s because you are in control and the prize is something you can work at until you buy the Buick. If you are in it for ATTENTION, MONEY and “Fame”…..then the vast majority have already failed. I’m a nobody - at 61 every morning I lose myself in guitar - there is no reason to give up when you seek personal growth and not the validation of others - I play what I want, how I want and will never be a known musician - nor will I get attention or accolades, yet I still get transported every morning and the mind becomes completely encapsulated in each note. Look at Orchestra musicians….they spend their lives perfecting their craft and become incredible musicians - not attention seeking minions. Choose musicianship rather than validation from others and you will win the day, every day.
I have seen this. Mgrs and Producers pushing out a band member with someone else in mind all along. Its one thing to let a trouble maker go but entirely another to push out an efficient cog for a contrived plant. With deep ulterior motives. IE: Janzen leaving Bentley.
I'm not a big fan, but Jamiroquai is a good example of this..and they were a great band. The major label thought the appeal was the singer...and didn't want to take on the whole band as part of the deal. So the singer became 'Jamiroquai', his band was let go and side guys were hired. Kind of like how Alice Cooper became 'Alice Cooper' after the Alice Cooper Band was no more.... Different situation..but the same thing with the name.
@@michaelr.4878 And the original Alice Cooper kicked ass in a big big way - I have to admit I also liked it with Hunter & Wagner - but that gang of mercenaries he trots out these days are simply unacceptable- sure they can play but personally I wouldn’t go see it if you paid me.
And just because you’re playing for somebody that is a somebody doesn’t mean you’re going to get paid well. I’ve been in that situation before sometimes you’re better off in a cover band until an artist that pays well and respects his employees comes along.,,,,,,
Foo Fighters drummer left cos Dave Grohl went and replayed his parts on record. Sure Dave is great, but kinda humiliating. "Youre not good enough for recording but you can do the live shows..." No thanks😐
@@aleksik4028 this is subjective and kinda nasty of me to say, but the Foo Fighters are nauseating. I’m not saying they are bad musicians, because they aren’t, but unless his only focus was money, they did him a favor.
So are we talking country mostly here regarding playing on the records? Of course that is all studio guys…that is why the records sounds so cookie cutter alike , that and songs with insipid cliche lyrics and music, Pro tools quantized recording .The Pop world is probably worse! As far as artists they can sell the music industry , whats left of it ,will be ruthless, sidemen are totally expendable. Don’t trust “artists” or their handlers.
@ I think “ROCK “ now is mostly indy..it really barely exists on major labels right! Yeah sure if producers control everything to get hits anything goes, in the Pop Metal era as you said a lot of studio ringers were used….only the Front man and maybe the lead guitar player counted. Not that I blame them for the most part!
I read about a lot of managers, producers & record labels trying to place outsiders in existing bands. Comes down to the who you know aspect you talk about. They will say its not personal but when a person is involved, it is.
It is!
All of this, which is accurate and excellent reporting on how the rock industry works, makes me glad I’m a bluegrass musician. We never expected anything but community and tradition. That’s exactly what we got no matter what the Bluegrass Unlimited article said about your record. Peace.
I have had a front row seat to a different and mega successful band. But, they made the industry bow to them…a lightening strike at best…and a testament to the management that didn’t take jack shit from anyone. Hell, and no shit, this band refused an opening slot for the stones. Talk about stones. Real dedication.
Thanks from The Seminole Hard Rock Cafe in Tampa, Brad. We will keep persevering.
Have a great night!!!
@badbrad Thx Brad!
I'm from the Detroit area . I feel lucky to have played and recorded in many situations . I never went big time , but the memories are satisfying .
Kenny Aronoff has a fantastic story about being replaced in the studio. Very inspirational.
Yes that is very inspiring.
On a good day, the music business is 90% business, 9% music and 1% musician. Something has gone horribly sideways.
So true...
lol no shit
I was asked to do a World Tour and turned it down as the Drummer! I really didn't think I could do it. As You know how grueling it can be. Jets, Lack of sleep, Excessive Stress,Etc.I never stopped playing Music over 20 Years later I found Producer Warren Huart after much prayer. I am really happy now Days playing in the Big Leagues. There are no Deadlines, work at Your own pace. So if Your Ill or the Music Bug (inspiration) has left, You can always try again when up to it. Its Not Like a Music Career where Your under the Gun. I still Think "What if" but having a Great Producer has laid it to rest quite a Bit. 🥁🎸🎧📻🌎
Great story.
This made me think about the Ramones, in the States, they played clubs and small halls almost the entire time. They would pack them out but they travelled in the van. They occasionally got the big gigs in South America and made some money. They travelled cheap, ate tacos all over or gas station sardine cans most all of the time. But, Joey Ramones invested his money. Johnny Ramone did something like that and was a conservative spender and they ended up in a good spot financially. They came out okay on a road most bands die on.
Interesting. It’s the culture and life’s imitation that gets so many.
Still the Ramones were in a Van pretty much their whole career.
Ramona’s played at UConn’s Spring Concert - I was stunned the school lined them up - it was a great, great show …turns out they played anywhere and everywhere …
@@billdekoskie5502 I saw them in late 80s at a small club in Charlotte NC. The park elevator building brick warehouse loudest assault I've ever heard fast and loud!!!
All of the original members of the Ramones are dead. That says something about the life of "rock stars."
Heck yeah, here playin, the long haul! Small times feel big!
Yes!
Great story. Thanks
Glad you liked it.
Really enjoying this content Brad. Keep it up, add some more of your guitar excellence!! Bless up for 25
Thank you! 🙏 Will do!
yea brad no shit ,,i love to come here and read stuff from real muscians,,no posers please
The outgrow your band comment is spot on. We jammed with a guy named (Dan Wathke?). We all knew that his talent level and our talent level were different. He was way above us. He ended up going to Nashville and working as a studio bass player for several known artists. We would go out as a band and he would stay behind, lock himself in his room and practice for days. He was known around town as Dan, the bassist, never just Dan.
It's sometimes funny how starting out (usually high school age) you just want to find 4-5 guys who play and interested in the same style of music, who's personalities blend so you can make it through practices and gigs without hating each other. Then you need a certain look, to reaching a certain talent level that it doesn't matter as much, to just going back to wanting to jam
for the love of music, which is why you started playing in the first place..............plus you always got the girls😂
Yes there is that...
BaBaBaBa Bad Brad!!!!
He he
Well ain’t that sweet … 😉
Rock on 🎉
Indeed!
Great to hear of this.
It is a great story.
Duuuuuuuude! What a great video… Your skill set is amazing… excellent lighting on this one🍻
Thank you
Your philosophy concerning this subject can certainly be applied to countless career choices. Even someone who is trying to develop a product where the widget they invented needs numerous tweaks before it suddenly becomes the rage. Or just figuring out how to market it. When you believe in it down in your bones, stay in the game!
Yes!!!👏
In 1983 interviews with Lars of Mettalica, he mentioned that they might replace the two, non-main members, Kirk and Cliff. But they got so big within three years and kept going up from there that management would have been crazy to can anyone.
Wow
A harsh reality of the sideman.
Steven Adler!!
IT did happen to him....
Didn't he give them the knife? I mean his partying made him unreliable.
Wasn’t he axed because ha was so drugged out? AXL eventually fired everybody except Duff 😁…now Slash is back ay least.
Duff is back as well.
I think we all have to remember that in the end, why did we even get into this? It’s because Music is in our heart and we love Music, so people like this should definitely never give up because it’s about the Music and if you keep doing what you love someone else is gonna pick you up and take you further, I played in a band with the former drummer from Cinderella, very similar story, but he got canned because the other drummer’s dad was the record executive and he wouldn’t sign the band unless his son was playing drums, so my friend got the boot, but he continued to play and he ended up doing more gigs And continuing on, I’ve found when I focus on what I love instead of trying to get the record deal, the phone starts ringing and new opportunities manifest, great info thank you!
That is very true. Focus on the important things.
#perseverance
YES!
The perfect example of perseverance over adversity: Dave Mustaine. Can you imagine how he must have felt in 1983 after Metallica sent him packing? And then after that when they exploded into the biggest metal act in the world? THAT is pain. I don't know if he deserved to be fired or not, I wasn't there, but look how far his desire to succeed took him with Megadeth, and I imagine the main force behind his drive was the seething sense of betrayal and desire to get even. Well played Dave, well played.
Great example!
In my mind, Dave is the better guitarist to begin with - although Hetfield is tremendous at his own style and created a new thing - but Dave was given a detour by the universe and he showed his strength and will and came out in great shape….ok, not the multi-generational wealth as Metallica, but how much do you need? Dave is the captain of his own ship and it’s a darn good ship!
@@thrasher3222 💯
If Dave was not kicked out then Megadeth would not have happened. Imagine a world with out Megadeth if you are a fan. Nothing more needs to be said.
I've done a little bit of producing, and when I produced bands I always insisted on using the musicians. I can remember how I felt when I was starving on the Road on a gig only to have The Barkays do the session. I told the front man of the band I was producing it wasn't worth the ill will. Kudos to Jason Aldean, Zak Brown and Tim McGraw for using their Road Guys
Man you know it!
Had my first experience a couple years ago with a producer and decided that will be my last unless by some chance I'm signed to a record label. When we got our product both my cofounder and I found significant parts we had written for our songs had been completely wiped out and replaced...his guitar parts and my drum parts. Needless to say neither of us were amused. This tribal drum beat I had come up with for the bridge part of one of our more punk songs had been completely wiped and replaced with just a straight beat along with cowbell parts I threw into other songs. For the most part it really didn't sound like me on the drums at all except for certain parts here and there. Going back into the studio in January, this time using an engineer instead of a producer.
It happens a lot.
I’m curious about the rap album you worked on . The upchurch music has got me looking into that whole scene
Rapnexx was one of the first to do it. The album is called Deliverance...it is everywhere you listen to music.
no matter what you are doing, you got keep build your resume.
Indeed.
@@williamcoiner6019 my first thought. I have a few short lived things, maybe one guitar pass on a recording that I can put a name on a sheet..
The other extreme, from can't find a singer. I've always been in the home-team grid that feeds into the farm-team, Brad. But Im happy just to be still pickin' and grinnin'. Dadgummit, I'm old enough to be manager!
Right on
Sounds like he got the Pete Best treatment. Love your insights into the industry.
Thank you!
Pete Best fired right before a Band from Liverpool Blew up Internationally !
That might the ultimate case of this happening.
Ouch !
@@jamescrow9854 Tough thing to live with.
They made it big because Ringo is such a fantastic drummer. imo
@@allenmitchell09is this sarcasm lol no ringo fit for sure i love ringo,,why all them rings in your fingers,,''i cant fit em in me nose....
I have a friend whose band was signed to Atlantic. Atlantic made them change so much they weren’t even recognizable. Starting with the name of the band which was No Address (as in always on the road) to New Address. They controlled the so much in the studio that they killed the dynamics.
Man that happens alot.
@ I know it does and I certainly understand where you are coming from about session musicians and all that but I’m pretty positive they would have sold better if they’d been given a bit more space to function. Randy went on to do session work, fill in when other drummers in big bands had health issues, even played with Pat Travers for a few years. The experience he did get was pretty awesome.
Life lessons from the bad man .road warriors and the fine people who reach a point where their love reaches a point it's primary if not only income,we can learn from them. Or a practically lifetime church organists or pianists who did it free as their service ,trees of wisdom as well.
Wisdom indeed.
Everyone is replaceable, but are they really?
They are in some cases...
They sure are….look at Geoff Tate with QR. Look at Richrath and REO Stationwagon….of they have the historical hits, the doorknobs will down their Coors Light and go hear the songs and love it…..or look at “Styx”. Are you kidding me? Is that Styx? 🤣🤣🤣
they changed the name after kevin c joined reo stationwagon
I just got replaced by another guitarist who supposedly had a bunch of contacts. He killed the chemistry and now they’re not an attractive hire.
That can happen. Sorry to hear it.
Onward and upward…..validate yourself, don’t worry about what others think or do. The universe works in mysterious ways
karma
The drummer Mark Herndon of the band Alabama wasn`t allowed to play on the albums....but...they were doing a demo take of the song Mountain Music in the studio and that`s the one used on the album. He was with them on their way to the top but was absolutely screwed by the others since they were related. They did their best to leave him in poverty. Mark was a huge influence on the drumming style of Country Music in the 80s and the way he was treated was disgusting! Read his book, "The High Road: Memories From A Long Trip."
Oh wow I did not know that.
I was doing the rise this past year with a young country artist and now she’s on a major production. After this I’m waiting to either be shitcanned or gigging like crazy. We’ll see. lol
Fingers crossed for you.
@@allenmitchell09 I'll pray gigging like crazy.
@@bradhardisty1652 Thanks man! That's what I prefer for sure.
She was playing as an acoustic duo with an ex-bandmate of mine when she approached me about turning it into a full band. I was skeptical about doing it because I'm 43 and twice her age! I was like, hey, why not try to get a younger guy to drum, but they wanted me. So, I brought in the bass player I wanted and we've kicked ass all year.
After we started jamming though, I quickly realized she was full of talent. Seeing her getting this level of attention has been wild.
I've been playing local gigs all of my life, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't want to rock some bigger stages.
But, I'm happy to be shitcanned too, knowing I drove the bus to Nashville county lines and dropped her off, figuratively of course. lol
@allenmitchell09 from my own experience there was a sweet spot from about 42-48 where I was playing guitar in original bands with guys that were between 25-29. It felt weird but I fooled myself thinking I looked 35 back then..anyway, enjoy the ride.
I've been in a very similar situation with an artist who happened to live down the street from me. Except as the artist was blowing up in a big way, she became more enamored with getting married to this guy she met and pursued having a family. Getting that call hurts just like Brad said, but I continued to push, ended up getting opportunities and I'm living a good life now. I think the main battle in my mind was the desire for more. Never being satisfied in the moment, only craving more has wasted many years of my life. I wish I could go back and actually LIVE in those moments instead of having my mind in other places. All in all we are in control of our own ship and each decision steers the path we take. I wish you all the success going forward.
Matt Sorum was in a band with Tori Amos. I think when she got deal, bye bye band. Maybe it was record company who said get rid of the band. Theres bit funny picture Sorum with Tori Amos band, they looked more like Tears For Fears from 80s. Few years later Sorum is hard rocker in GnR with new image. I guess it panned out quite well after all 😂
It worked out for him.
I'm a retired union ironworker, local 377 San Francisco. Not a musician but really enjoy your content. I retired to my wife's hometown Sierra Vista Arizona. No traffic. Heaven on earth. Concerts are in the Tucson or Phoenix area when I want entertainment. Other than that or visiting kids I love my boring little town. Keep em coming Brad.
@@jimmer1047 It is an honor to have you here.
Y Kant Tori Read
Made me think of John Sykes, even tho he was already well known, if he got the credit and another album with Whitesnake...woo... He never really recovered from that, and in some ways may be better off as a result of it... at the end of the day that is :)
Perhaps he is.
Possibly anothe Icarus who got to close to the sun and you no doubt could do a great coverage of this story A Brazilian judge has ordered a song by British pop superstar Adele, Million Years Ago, be pulled worldwide - including on streaming services - over a continuing plagiarism claim by a Brazilian composer.
Interesting story...
@@badbrad Very and I wonder what the real truth is behind this story. Sad to see someone reach the top and take such a fall. Reminds me of the George Harrison case dealing with his song "My Sweet Lord." Music making can be a crazy world at times. Thanks
I recall a producer/musician of note who produced Billy Joel. This was after Billy had a few hits. I think he fired the entire Band. I think a combination of their work ethic and ability..
It happens!
The reality is this - if you are in it for the instrument and for your growth and development and to understand, feel and create musicality, you definitely will not give up. It’s because you are in control and the prize is something you can work at until you buy the Buick. If you are in it for ATTENTION, MONEY and “Fame”…..then the vast majority have already failed.
I’m a nobody - at 61 every morning I lose myself in guitar - there is no reason to give up when you seek personal growth and not the validation of others - I play what I want, how I want and will never be a known musician - nor will I get attention or accolades, yet I still get transported every morning and the mind becomes completely encapsulated in each note.
Look at Orchestra musicians….they spend their lives perfecting their craft and become incredible musicians - not attention seeking minions. Choose musicianship rather than validation from others and you will win the day, every day.
i hear ya bro,,ya ask yourself why am i doing this,,i think you know the answer
@ because I want to play like Pat Travers? 😂😂😂😂😂 jk, but I do love his playing
I play just what I feel … drink scotch whiskey all night
@@badbrad they got a name for the winners in the world…..
I have seen this. Mgrs and Producers pushing out a band member with someone else in mind all along. Its one thing to let a trouble maker go
but entirely another to push out an efficient cog for a contrived plant. With deep ulterior motives. IE: Janzen leaving Bentley.
Very true.
I'm not a big fan, but Jamiroquai is a good example of this..and they were a great band. The major label thought the appeal was the singer...and didn't want to take on the whole band as part of the deal. So the singer became 'Jamiroquai', his band was let go and side guys were hired. Kind of like how Alice Cooper became 'Alice Cooper' after the Alice Cooper Band was no more.... Different situation..but the same thing with the name.
It's tough.
@@michaelr.4878 And the original Alice Cooper kicked ass in a big big way - I have to admit I also liked it with Hunter & Wagner - but that gang of mercenaries he trots out these days are simply unacceptable- sure they can play but personally I wouldn’t go see it if you paid me.
Just ask Pete Best, the Beatles original drummer who got dumped. He knows.
he does.
And just because you’re playing for somebody that is a somebody doesn’t mean you’re going to get paid well. I’ve been in that situation before sometimes you’re better off in a cover band until an artist that pays well and respects his employees comes along.,,,,,,
Sometimes so
What city are you based out of? You look familiar
Young managers get screwed as well.
Yes indeed they can.
thumbs up 👍 number 123
Thanks for the thumbs up 👍
Foo Fighters drummer left cos Dave Grohl went and replayed his parts on record. Sure Dave is great, but kinda humiliating. "Youre not good enough for recording but you can do the live shows..." No thanks😐
Very humiliating
That original drummer sounded great live on the early live videos I have seen ,in my opinion.....that cost that mans family millions.
@@aleksik4028 this is subjective and kinda nasty of me to say, but the Foo Fighters are nauseating. I’m not saying they are bad musicians, because they aren’t, but unless his only focus was money, they did him a favor.
Chad Channing
Tatum Channing
from the van to the can man..
That’s tough
Why are you whispering bro…. Lol
Why are you asking bro lol
OK who got rip off
Pete Best
Milli Vanilli! 😜😂😂😂 jk jk
That’s everybody now.
Was that a tlc reference 😂?
I don’t know that one
@ no scrubs?? You should watch “the other guys” … but don’t go Chasing waterfalls 😂. Back before Will Farrel got creepy af.
Low paying? Or “no paying”? 😂
Could be either or
Oh yeah. Opening act got a better drummer, you better straighten up fast. Happens all the damn time.
It does and sometimes unnecessarily
@@badbrad yep. A lot of petty shit. Drink the same beer and like blondes? Welcome aboard.
So are we talking country mostly here regarding playing on the records? Of course that is all studio guys…that is why the records sounds so cookie cutter alike , that and songs with insipid cliche lyrics and music, Pro tools quantized recording .The Pop world is probably worse! As far as artists they can sell the music industry , whats left of it ,will be ruthless, sidemen are totally expendable. Don’t trust “artists” or their handlers.
I’m not sure what goes on in the rock world these days. Even back in the 80’s there were studio players used on records on the down low.
@ I think “ROCK “ now is mostly indy..it really barely exists on major labels right! Yeah sure if producers control everything to get hits anything goes, in the Pop Metal era as you said a lot of studio ringers were used….only the Front man and maybe the lead guitar player counted. Not that I blame them for the most part!
Or ya end up in the grave only having played stinking backwater clubs.
That can happen
Morning Brad and everyone. Dave Abbruzzese comes to mind. I thought he was great. Jealousy? Don't know but he had to be crushed.
I thought he was great to.
He still is amazing. Cameron is great, too…but the Dave A feel is gone and they don’t groove anymore.
@@JohnGuffey-ho3xc It never made sense to me...that move.
Kenny Aronoff has a fantastic story about being replaced in the studio. Very inspirational.
Yes he does.