By your logic, we should have drafted Mitchell Trubisky over Myles Garrett. 2019 and 2022 did not have a QB worth a top pick. Unless 2025 has 2 QBs, or the Titans miss, we won't have a QB on the board.
By G's logic, if I am hearing this correctly, the Browns should take a QB at #2 regardless if they are any good or a fit for Stefanski?? That take is NASTY WORK!!!
Well, no. The flaw in this argument is that the Browns acquired a proven top-5 NFL QB a few years ago and it still didn't work out for them. Sometimes trades and top draft picks don't work out. This draft reminds me of times when teams whiffed on QBs like Jameis Winston at #1, Marcus Mariota at #2, Mitch Trubisky at #2 (the Bears traded up to get him), Zach Wilson at #2, Carson Wentz at #2, Blake Bortles at #3, Trey Lance at #3 (the Niners traded up for him), and maybe Bryce Young at #1, though it's a bit too early for him. Only 4 of the 11 QBs drafted at #1, 2 or 3 between 2015 and 2022 are still with the team that drafted them, a staggering statistic. Sometimes you get unexpected value acquiring guys whose careers seemed to be going nowhere, like Jared Goff, Sam Darnold, or Baker Mayfield. Sometimes Day 2 or 3 picks become top-15 QBs like Russell Wilson, Dak Prescott, Jalen Hurts, Drew Brees, Brock Purdy, Kirk Cousins, or Tom Brady. Abdul Carter is as close to a sure thing as I've seen in a while. Draft him and pick up 1 QB on Day 2 and another on Day 3. Sign a guy like Kirk Cousins or Gardner Minshew and press on.
No QB is worthy of a top 10 pick in this draft. It makes no sense to take a QB at 2 just because that’s what is available. Let Stafanski choose the QB best for his offense and keep Berry out of it. Enough of the bean counting dum-dums making talent decisions. BTW, I wouldn’t be opposed to Hunter at number 2.
I get your point G Bush but you cant take a QB at 2 if youre not absolutely sure hes the guy, you cannset the organization back even more if we squander another top pick
Exactly! Pass up on other talent to over reach at NUMBER 2! That's insane. Or this Travis Hunter bullshit! Mason or Abdul it's pretty easy. Will Howard second round!
@@a1ch3mistDexterbut it’s not up to us we’re not the ones getting payed to determine that we do not have all the data that the people do. For all we know teams do believe that those two players could be taken in the top 10
@@DC4L1991 I think it’s uncertain if they are or vise versa. Everyone wants to act like they’re nfl scouts and shit even those guys get it wrong if that wasn’t the case mahomes wouldn’t have been 10th pick in the draft.
We wasted are last 3 first round picks on a qb that was trash!!!! So how about this year use the first round pick on the best player in the draft that will help this team for years to come.
Gbush, wtf are you smoking my guy. Stop it. No Quarterback at #2. Sign Justin fields in free agency b/c he will fit good in Stefanski’s system. Fields is a better quarterback than Watson. Watson is a dumb one read quarterback that lost all of his athleticism. Why are making such argument about where to go with #2? If you want to draft a quarterback in the draft, I’m going with Jackson Dart. You are completely off base on this take. Quincey has you beat on this take.
Also don’t you realize we have no defensive tackles signed for next year, besides Hall. They’re not resigning hurst or Harris. They’re going to cut Tomilinson. So who do you propose we play at DT, your position? JOK is done, career wise with football and Jordan Hicks is 🫤. So how do we fix the front seven? The unit got them to the playoffs last year. Your rant today sounding like you just trying to make content to keep up pace with a quota.
Yes, or Jaxson Dart, Jalen Milroe, or even Kyle McCord who was outstanding with Syracuse. Then throw a late round pick at a guy like Riley Leonard or Donovan Smith. It'll be interesting to see what all these guys do at the Combine.
You make a lot of good takes but…I gotta disagree here. If there is no worthy qbs worth taking at #2 you take the best talent. Same way lions built through the draft and found a serviceable qb later. Those others teams struck gold with their qbs. I do agree we need better playmakers but as a team we just aren’t a good football team. We need better talent, not just a qb.
@ honestly I'm taking Carter. I can put him anywhere on the front 7 and I know he'll make a play. Here me out JOK and Carter at OLB edges with the ability to drop. Manage to pickup Sawyer and have him and Garrett flex 3 techniques. Pickup a true nose tackle to clog middle of the line (Ngata like). Tackling machine at middle linebacker that can run side line to side line. You already have delpit who can play in the box similar to a chancellor type so get another safety who can make plays like Earl Thomas, then finally two long corners who can run and make a play on the ball. It's a building process. So take your time set a vision and build a team. Don't ever reach for a position. You reach for the best player!
Go ahead and draft another Malik Willis Daniel Jones ,Bryce Young ,Zach Wilson Kenny Pickett type quarterback. Reaching for the wrong quarterback will set the Browns back another five years and all those players Browns drafted in the trenches were all Bums except for Garrett and Thomas Dan Marino was a great quarterback the reason he never won a Super Bowl was because his O line and D line was trash Marino never had a run game or a defense so drafting a decent quarterback with no help upfront won’t translate to anything but more losing draft the best available player football is a team sport
Marino's O-Line was the best in the NFL. They led the league 9 times with allowing the least sacks. They had a season where they gave up 6, 7, 9, and 9. Many seasons under 20 sacks allowed. Marino was the playcaller. He chose not to run the ball. He had discretion on every play. Not having a running game was all on Marino.
@@someperson8151 You sound silly Marino made his O line look better with a quick release dolphins never had a run game because they had a weak O line Marino only had two good linemen Dwight Stevens in the 80s and Richmond Webb in the 90s that was my favorite team as a kid dolphins couldn’t run the ball 🤡 that’s why they passed so much
@@omargarcia9637How about Justin Fields or Trey Lance Billy Bob Draft Abdul Carter to team up with Garrett to stop Burrow and Lamar Browns made the playoffs last season because the D line was much improved both quarterbacks will be cheap and can thrive under the right system build up the O line so the Browns can have a balance attack fields is underrated and Lance has more potential than DTR or sign Winston back give Winston a balance attack maybe the interception will cut down
Do a version of what the Saints did back in the day: Trade your entire draft class away. But instead of for a single player, trade all your draft picks for a new owner
Gotta build inside out. No brainer. Obviously, they butchered picks in the past but QB, skill players and CBs ain't squat without the big dawgs. C'mon G
TAKE IN ACCOUNT (THE EVALUATOR MISTAKES? ABOUT THEIR EVALUATION OF PROSPECT?)? I SEE 5 (SPECIAL PLAYERS)! THAT ARE HIGHER VALUE! LIKE MYLES GARRET! WARD! ETC... ON THIS TEAM! IN THIS DRAFT! MASON! JEANTY! HUNTER! McMILLIAN! JOHNSON! NOT JUST STARTERS! BUT PRO BOWL HALL OF FAMERS THAT WIN YOU A SUPERBOWL!
I'm not saying don't draft a QB but you need to draft the BEST player available. I believe you fulfill need in the trade market and draft best player available period. Also we have to draft a QB but it has to be at a point where it makes sense. There is NO QB that is worth a pick in the first round. I wouldn't even trade out of the top ten. But that's just me
The Browns have two picks in the third round and possibly a compensatory pick as well. There are TONS of excellent RBs in this draft; it's one of the best RB drafts in years.
G speaks common sense! I'm amazed at how blind some people are. Identity the guy and draft him, whoever that is, EVERY YEAR UNTIL YOU GET IT RIGHT, starting this year, not next year. If it's Cam Ward, Shedeur Sanders, Jaxson Dart, or Jalen Milroe, or whoever, just do it, and rinse and repeat next year until you get it right. You can't win a Super Bowl without a top quarterback period!
I agree with G Bush. Joe Thomas and Myles Garrett have won us nothing. You can always find lineman, but you HAVE to find a franchise QB or you have nothing.
It all comes down to if Stefanski thinks one of these QBs is worth going for. Both of them are prospects that need to be taught which is okay, but you have to really believe in one of these guys. You cant just take one because you need one. If you dont think either one of these are good enough, you have to build the team without the QB and get one in free agency.
Please tell me why the Browns have to take a QB when the offensive line is awful? We take a QB and let him be ruined like all the rest of the QBs we've drafted? There's a great many defensive linemen in this draft, and oh so few offensive tackles. Bitonio might be gone, Willis is gone, Dewaun is hurt, and Conklin might get traded, and people say draft a QB?? Bullshit!
TBH the problem is no one likes that the top 4 in the draft are African American. If it was Dart, Manning, or Howard they woukd be talking that "They Pro Ready" mess. Thank You G!
The thing is, G, you guys will talk about them needing to take risks, then when they and it doesn't pan out, you criticize them for taking that risk. It's a good mentality for content, but a horrible mentality to have otherwise. No one should draft anyone that high if they don't feel confident.
I agree with you're argument on QB. No other position in sports is more important. You have one or you have nothing. A majority of the teams picking top 10 dont have a qb. Period. Those that do, think they do, but those guys are in year 1 or 2, with the exception of Lawrence who was hurt. This expensive roster with the DPOY won 3 games because it couldnt even get average qb play. A qb can help your line and your defense. Baker had himself a nice rookie year with a makeshift line. Scheme is very important.
THE RECORD OF CLEVELAND SPORTS MEDIA IN THE LAST TWENTY YEARS? THEY GO ON A CAMPAIGN TO WRITE DAILY OR WEEKLY ARTICLE CALLING TO NOT RESIGN? CUT? PLAYERS THST GO ON TO WIN SUPERBOWLS AND BECOME ALL PROS! I CAN LIST AT LEAST 30! IN THE LAST 24 YEARS! THEY ARE GREAT AT AFTERTHOUGHT! BAKER MAYFIELD WAS NOT INTO PLAYING HIS BEST THE LAST YEAR HEAR! HE FLOSTED BETWEEN SEVERAL TEAMS? BEFORE GETTING HIS ACT TOGATHER IN TAMPA BAY! IF WE HAD KEPT HIM? THE SAME RESULT WOULD HAVE OCCURRED THAT HAS BEEN A BROWN'S CURSE! AFTERSIGHT AND NOT UNDESYANDING? IT ISN'T BEFORE BUT AFTER THE FACT!
Browns made the playoffs last year because the D line was much improved Garret needs help once again now that Zarduis Smith ,Tomlinson,Harris and Hurst won’t be on the team in 2025
Hunter is a great story, but no one is going to play both ways in the NFL these days, except for a few plays a game. If he was the best WR in this class, he'd be worthy of the #2 pick, but I don't think he is. If he was the best CB in the draft, he might be worth the pick, but CB isn't a priority with the Browns. I also worry that Hunter played against weak opposition. In the games where CO played a decent opponent, the offense got shut down. The two teams that crushed Colorado were BYU and Nebraska, #17 and unranked respectively.
I hate the trade down stuff, passed on Julio Jones for picks lol. They had old man Jeff Garcia and passed on Big Ben without a plan of the future, had pick 3 the next year (not good enough to get a qb) and took Braylon Edwards, over Aaron Rodgers lol. But then took Frye in the 3rd as flier. Idk when ppl are going to learn, you have much more success on guys in the first than any other round after. Hurts and Purdy are the only 2 qbs starting games yearly for their franchises since 2017. Thats it. Fans just a year ago were saying DTR might be our best qb, turns out he might be the worst qb to ever play in the NFL...so I dont trust fan evals lol. The fanbase is going to be waiting a long long time for an Elway prospect and the year it happens, they pull an Eli. You gotta shoot your shot. If they dont love the qbs in this draft, fine. But I want to know the plan going forward. Tell me you traded a 3 for Geno Smith just to win 6-8 ball games next year and have no idea who the qb is in 26 is not a plan.
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when are you going to retract the UCCS misinformation about the insurance on the Watson insurance policy? professionals? lol
Why take a QB at 2 when 1 just as good or better than the top 2 is still available in round 3. Get talent in the first 2 rounds and get the 3rd round QB.
It’s absolutely insane how browns fans watched Joe Thomas’s entire career and the last 8 years of Myles Garrett’s career and learned absolutely nothing. I swear half of the fan base just loves linemen and are obsessed with them because they look like a lineman themselves and see themselves in them. We need a QB. Point blank period. OT doesn’t win games no matter how much our fans want it to be 1960s era football. It’s not it’s 2025 and in 2025 QBs are worth double what a lineman is
Are you drunk? Picking a QB at #2 in a class that doesn't have the best talent is dumb!!! Picking at #2 is saying that person is THE SECOND BEST PLAYER IN ALL OF COLLEGE FOOTBALL!! So just pass on a possible generational talent? Best player available.
Based off how the FO thinks, you need to get real comfortable with trading back. If they can fall back to 6 with Raiders, they're gambling on them being a top 10 pick next year. Its possible that roster is bad. And they have draft capital to move up. This is the Browns way of building a roster like the Lions did. 7 is probably as far back as they go, but the Jets would need to add players to make it work since they have limited capital. Just a bad team overall. Wilson or Hall from them, with the goal of Wilson. I wouldnt be shocked if Jets moved them both.
@@Emann012 agree there... If Garrett can get a true number one edge rusher to counter him i really shutter as to how good that defense could be. Improves secondarys ability if front line is forcing faster throws.
@@Topo42mh The main reason why the Browns made the playoffs last year with four different quarterbacks was the D line Browns D line regressed this year and the defense wasn’t the same Carter over a reach at quarterback is the better decision
Could we draft the DTs that are needed for jim Defense? Browns will not draft a high edge while Garrett is here... it's his team and the spotlight. Think about the legendary players pick. Not a Top player... QBs are in 2-5 rounds.... WRs aren't higher then 2nd round...
YES. FINALLY someone talking sense. No DE or DT or whatever else is winning anything. We need multiple offensive starters across the board. It's all about the QB.
D line was the main reason the Browns made the playoffs last year with four different quarterbacks Ravens won a superbowl with a great defense and no quarterback
NOW THE VALUE OF A QB? IS 80+% OF YOU BEING ABLE TO WIN! PERIOD! AN ABOVE AVERAGE QB CAN TAKE YOU TO THE SUPERBOWL! BUT A MYLES GARRET! BITIONIO! JEUEDY! WARD! ETC... WIN IT FOR YOU! YOU NEED AN ABOVE AVG. QB TO GET YOU THERE!
I've been waiting for using Bush to come on dolo first round Sanders if nobody trades second round offensive line first pick and 3rd round running back then office of line at pick 9 7 fourth round my favorite sleeper Cam Skattebo.then straight defense after that look we're going back to the zone schemes the fastest style a running game will make sure Sanders plus his dad a good probably great quarterback keyword running game then guaranteed defense goes back to top five in the league keep it simple come on Barry don't drive any damn d-tackles mid rounds please don't the kid from Ohio State last year rookie will be a star that's Myles Garrett help right there. Sanders had experience of playing with a bad old line with zero running game that is a equation for success coming to the NFL ambient Dion song with the IQ please draft him cranberry. guaranteed Myles Garrettl won't be demanding no trade.
Facts i keep saying the same thing. People are scared to be Great, but they feel that way cause our coach and GM are bad but people rather give them a pass. Their mediocracy is example of Browns fans expectations and excuses.
After listening to you, what you’re saying makes sense. I didn’t agree with you at the beginning but I agree now after all the evidence you threw out. We need so much , it’s not funny.
The Browns need to get a quarterback at #2, you have to keep swinging until you nail the quarterback position. Until they get the quarterback position right, none of the other positions matter. The Browns have been awful because they have not had a good quarterback since 1999. They have tried to build up the other positions thinking it will minimize the weakness at quarterback, but that strategy has not worked, so they need to keep swinging and hope they connect at quarterback. With 9 picks in the 2025 draft, I would consider drafting 2 quarterbacks, to give themselves multiple bites at the apple in this draft. Given the Browns injuries at the quarterback position getting 2 would not be a bad move. Washington did it in the 2012 draft with RJ3 and Kirk Cousins.
Don't rush taking a QB always take the BEST player at the time
By your logic, we should have drafted Mitchell Trubisky over Myles Garrett. 2019 and 2022 did not have a QB worth a top pick. Unless 2025 has 2 QBs, or the Titans miss, we won't have a QB on the board.
By G's logic, if I am hearing this correctly, the Browns should take a QB at #2 regardless if they are any good or a fit for Stefanski??
That take is NASTY WORK!!!
Well, no.
The flaw in this argument is that the Browns acquired a proven top-5 NFL QB a few years ago and it still didn't work out for them. Sometimes trades and top draft picks don't work out.
This draft reminds me of times when teams whiffed on QBs like Jameis Winston at #1, Marcus Mariota at #2, Mitch Trubisky at #2 (the Bears traded up to get him), Zach Wilson at #2, Carson Wentz at #2, Blake Bortles at #3, Trey Lance at #3 (the Niners traded up for him), and maybe Bryce Young at #1, though it's a bit too early for him. Only 4 of the 11 QBs drafted at #1, 2 or 3 between 2015 and 2022 are still with the team that drafted them, a staggering statistic.
Sometimes you get unexpected value acquiring guys whose careers seemed to be going nowhere, like Jared Goff, Sam Darnold, or Baker Mayfield. Sometimes Day 2 or 3 picks become top-15 QBs like Russell Wilson, Dak Prescott, Jalen Hurts, Drew Brees, Brock Purdy, Kirk Cousins, or Tom Brady.
Abdul Carter is as close to a sure thing as I've seen in a while. Draft him and pick up 1 QB on Day 2 and another on Day 3. Sign a guy like Kirk Cousins or Gardner Minshew and press on.
Preach
If u realize the similarities about all the teams in the playoffs is they all have a good oline to protect there qb
Gbush you're drinking the wrong Kool-Aid brother... At least you're serving the wrong Kool-Aid
Best player available......PERIOD!!!!!
No QB is worthy of a top 10 pick in this draft. It makes no sense to take a QB at 2 just because that’s what is available. Let Stafanski choose the QB best for his offense and keep Berry out of it. Enough of the bean counting dum-dums making talent decisions.
BTW, I wouldn’t be opposed to Hunter at number 2.
Neither of the 2 top QB out there are top level draft picks. Draft Travis Hunter @2 and draft a QB in 2-4 rounds.
I get your point G Bush but you cant take a QB at 2 if youre not absolutely sure hes the guy, you cannset the organization back even more if we squander another top pick
Exactly! Pass up on other talent to over reach at NUMBER 2! That's insane. Or this Travis Hunter bullshit! Mason or Abdul it's pretty easy. Will Howard second round!
@@a1ch3mistDexterbut it’s not up to us we’re not the ones getting payed to determine that we do not have all the data that the people do. For all we know teams do believe that those two players could be taken in the top 10
@MongoWrlds No shit! I can still rant on the Internet 🙌🏿
So yall saying Cam or Sheduer ain’t like that?
@@DC4L1991 I think it’s uncertain if they are or vise versa. Everyone wants to act like they’re nfl scouts and shit even those guys get it wrong if that wasn’t the case mahomes wouldn’t have been 10th pick in the draft.
We wasted are last 3 first round picks on a qb that was trash!!!! So how about this year use the first round pick on the best player in the draft that will help this team for years to come.
Gbush, wtf are you smoking my guy. Stop it. No Quarterback at #2. Sign Justin fields in free agency b/c he will fit good in Stefanski’s system. Fields is a better quarterback than Watson. Watson is a dumb one read quarterback that lost all of his athleticism. Why are making such argument about where to go with #2? If you want to draft a quarterback in the draft, I’m going with Jackson Dart. You are completely off base on this take. Quincey has you beat on this take.
Also don’t you realize we have no defensive tackles signed for next year, besides Hall. They’re not resigning hurst or Harris. They’re going to cut Tomilinson. So who do you propose we play at DT, your position? JOK is done, career wise with football and Jordan Hicks is 🫤. So how do we fix the front seven? The unit got them to the playoffs last year. Your rant today sounding like you just trying to make content to keep up pace with a quota.
The browns drafted plenty of qbs in the Joe Thomas era. Unfortunately they were all terrible. The Browns do not know how to procure a good qb
Will Howard
Yes, or Jaxson Dart, Jalen Milroe, or even Kyle McCord who was outstanding with Syracuse. Then throw a late round pick at a guy like Riley Leonard or Donovan Smith. It'll be interesting to see what all these guys do at the Combine.
You gonna go all the way back to Couch, but no one to block for him. We need to get blockers to protect our quarterback, but I want is Abdul.
Myles Garrett deserves to play with someone who will punish opponents for double and triple teaming him
No rookie QB is going to take us to the playoffs next year
being safe and scared to miss on a QB isn't why it is dumb to take a QB
You make a lot of good takes but…I gotta disagree here. If there is no worthy qbs worth taking at #2 you take the best talent. Same way lions built through the draft and found a serviceable qb later. Those others teams struck gold with their qbs. I do agree we need better playmakers but as a team we just aren’t a good football team. We need better talent, not just a qb.
Nailed it, G. Get Parsons and Williams at L tackle and win 3 games with bad QB play.
Either take Travis or Abdul no other pick is necessary!
Hunter is not the best receiver or cornerback in this draft
@ honestly I'm taking Carter. I can put him anywhere on the front 7 and I know he'll make a play. Here me out JOK and Carter at OLB edges with the ability to drop. Manage to pickup Sawyer and have him and Garrett flex 3 techniques. Pickup a true nose tackle to clog middle of the line (Ngata like). Tackling machine at middle linebacker that can run side line to side line. You already have delpit who can play in the box similar to a chancellor type so get another safety who can make plays like Earl Thomas, then finally two long corners who can run and make a play on the ball. It's a building process. So take your time set a vision and build a team. Don't ever reach for a position. You reach for the best player!
Anybody else remember having this same conversation over Garrett or Trubisky? Is that what y'all want? 🤡
Exactly 👍🏾 if the Browns believe Ward is a “true” franchise quarterback then take him but if not you cannot reach!
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Yeah bruh you tripping cuz it really sounds like you saying just taking the QB regardless of anything that’s crazy
Gs take is NASTY WORK
Go ahead and draft another Malik Willis Daniel Jones ,Bryce Young ,Zach Wilson Kenny Pickett type quarterback. Reaching for the wrong quarterback will set the Browns back another five years and all those players Browns drafted in the trenches were all Bums except for Garrett and Thomas Dan Marino was a great quarterback the reason he never won a Super Bowl was because his O line and D line was trash Marino never had a run game or a defense so drafting a decent quarterback with no help upfront won’t translate to anything but more losing draft the best available player football is a team sport
These the same ones that wanted Trubisky
Marino's O-Line was the best in the NFL. They led the league 9 times with allowing the least sacks. They had a season where they gave up 6, 7, 9, and 9. Many seasons under 20 sacks allowed.
Marino was the playcaller. He chose not to run the ball. He had discretion on every play. Not having a running game was all on Marino.
@@someperson8151 You sound silly Marino made his O line look better with a quick release dolphins never had a run game because they had a weak O line Marino only had two good linemen Dwight Stevens in the 80s and Richmond Webb in the 90s that was my favorite team as a kid dolphins couldn’t run the ball 🤡 that’s why they passed so much
You show me a qb in free agency we can get bud
@@omargarcia9637How about Justin Fields or Trey Lance Billy Bob Draft Abdul Carter to team up with Garrett to stop Burrow and Lamar Browns made the playoffs last season because the D line was much improved both quarterbacks will be cheap and can thrive under the right system build up the O line so the Browns can have a balance attack fields is underrated and Lance has more potential than DTR or sign Winston back give Winston a balance attack maybe the interception will cut down
The Browns oughta look into bringing Max Crosby into the Dawg Pound . He not happy in neon city..
Then if they have their original second round pick take Jack Sawyer
Absolutely!!... I've been wanting Jack Sawyer to come play for our Browns for awhile now!
Completely disagree with drafting a qb high this year...if we do next year we will be saying the same thing and wasted a pick
Do a version of what the Saints did back in the day: Trade your entire draft class away. But instead of for a single player, trade all your draft picks for a new owner
The Browns need to draft a running back...Trevor Entienn out of Georgia 5'-9" 205 ...OR...Ashton Jeanty out of Boise State 5'-9" 216
Gotta build inside out. No brainer. Obviously, they butchered picks in the past but QB, skill players and CBs ain't squat without the big dawgs. C'mon G
TAKE IN ACCOUNT (THE EVALUATOR MISTAKES? ABOUT THEIR EVALUATION OF PROSPECT?)? I SEE 5 (SPECIAL PLAYERS)! THAT ARE HIGHER VALUE! LIKE MYLES GARRET! WARD! ETC... ON THIS TEAM!
IN THIS DRAFT! MASON! JEANTY!
HUNTER! McMILLIAN! JOHNSON!
NOT JUST STARTERS! BUT PRO BOWL HALL OF FAMERS THAT WIN YOU A SUPERBOWL!
I'm not saying don't draft a QB but you need to draft the BEST player available. I believe you fulfill need in the trade market and draft best player available period. Also we have to draft a QB but it has to be at a point where it makes sense. There is NO QB that is worth a pick in the first round. I wouldn't even trade out of the top ten. But that's just me
I wonder why the Browns haven't hired G to assist in the draft?
Grab Travis at 2 move on
If they have a 3rd round take Trayveon Henderson
That's what I wanted, but he's playing too good!
The Browns have two picks in the third round and possibly a compensatory pick as well. There are TONS of excellent RBs in this draft; it's one of the best RB drafts in years.
G speaks common sense! I'm amazed at how blind some people are. Identity the guy and draft him, whoever that is, EVERY YEAR UNTIL YOU GET IT RIGHT, starting this year, not next year. If it's Cam Ward, Shedeur Sanders, Jaxson Dart, or Jalen Milroe, or whoever, just do it, and rinse and repeat next year until you get it right. You can't win a Super Bowl without a top quarterback period!
I agree with G Bush. Joe Thomas and Myles Garrett have won us nothing. You can always find lineman, but you HAVE to find a franchise QB or you have nothing.
It all comes down to if Stefanski thinks one of these QBs is worth going for. Both of them are prospects that need to be taught which is okay, but you have to really believe in one of these guys. You cant just take one because you need one.
If you dont think either one of these are good enough, you have to build the team without the QB and get one in free agency.
Please tell me why the Browns have to take a QB when the offensive line is awful? We take a QB and let him be ruined like all the rest of the QBs we've drafted? There's a great many defensive linemen in this draft, and oh so few offensive tackles. Bitonio might be gone, Willis is gone, Dewaun is hurt, and Conklin might get traded, and people say draft a QB?? Bullshit!
Take Milroe in like the 2nd or 3rd, and make the TE coach the oc, he had his best season with him at Alabama.
TBH the problem is no one likes that the top 4 in the draft are African American. If it was Dart, Manning, or Howard they woukd be talking that "They Pro Ready" mess. Thank You G!
The thing is, G, you guys will talk about them needing to take risks, then when they and it doesn't pan out, you criticize them for taking that risk. It's a good mentality for content, but a horrible mentality to have otherwise. No one should draft anyone that high if they don't feel confident.
I agree with you're argument on QB. No other position in sports is more important. You have one or you have nothing. A majority of the teams picking top 10 dont have a qb. Period. Those that do, think they do, but those guys are in year 1 or 2, with the exception of Lawrence who was hurt. This expensive roster with the DPOY won 3 games because it couldnt even get average qb play. A qb can help your line and your defense. Baker had himself a nice rookie year with a makeshift line. Scheme is very important.
Only four of the 11 QBs taken at #1, 2, or 3 from 2015 to 2022 are still with the teams that drafted them. That's a spectacular failure rate.
NOW I TRUST THE GM AND SCOUTS OF THE BROWNS MORE THAN TALKING HEADS ON ESPN? THAT ALL OTHER MEDIA? SIMPLY REPEAT!
CLE till I die
THE RECORD OF CLEVELAND SPORTS MEDIA IN THE LAST TWENTY YEARS? THEY GO ON A CAMPAIGN TO WRITE DAILY OR WEEKLY ARTICLE CALLING TO NOT RESIGN? CUT? PLAYERS THST GO ON TO WIN SUPERBOWLS AND BECOME ALL PROS! I CAN LIST AT LEAST 30! IN THE LAST 24 YEARS! THEY ARE GREAT AT AFTERTHOUGHT! BAKER MAYFIELD WAS NOT INTO PLAYING HIS BEST THE LAST YEAR HEAR! HE FLOSTED BETWEEN SEVERAL TEAMS? BEFORE GETTING HIS ACT TOGATHER IN TAMPA BAY! IF WE HAD KEPT HIM? THE SAME RESULT WOULD HAVE
OCCURRED THAT HAS BEEN A BROWN'S CURSE! AFTERSIGHT AND NOT UNDESYANDING? IT ISN'T BEFORE BUT AFTER THE FACT!
Best player available
Biggest mistake to avoid, don’t draft anyone who loves getting massaged.
100% agree G Bush! No way we pass on a QB at #2
Y'all the same ones that wanted to draft Turbisky over Garrett
not needed at 2. There are better QB's in the later round.
Browns made the playoffs last year because the D line was much improved Garret needs help once again now that Zarduis Smith ,Tomlinson,Harris and Hurst won’t be on the team in 2025
If you don't trade down take Hunter he's the best player in the draft and stop rambling please
Hunter is a great story, but no one is going to play both ways in the NFL these days, except for a few plays a game. If he was the best WR in this class, he'd be worthy of the #2 pick, but I don't think he is. If he was the best CB in the draft, he might be worth the pick, but CB isn't a priority with the Browns.
I also worry that Hunter played against weak opposition. In the games where CO played a decent opponent, the offense got shut down. The two teams that crushed Colorado were BYU and Nebraska, #17 and unranked respectively.
I hate the trade down stuff, passed on Julio Jones for picks lol. They had old man Jeff Garcia and passed on Big Ben without a plan of the future, had pick 3 the next year (not good enough to get a qb) and took Braylon Edwards, over Aaron Rodgers lol. But then took Frye in the 3rd as flier. Idk when ppl are going to learn, you have much more success on guys in the first than any other round after. Hurts and Purdy are the only 2 qbs starting games yearly for their franchises since 2017. Thats it. Fans just a year ago were saying DTR might be our best qb, turns out he might be the worst qb to ever play in the NFL...so I dont trust fan evals lol. The fanbase is going to be waiting a long long time for an Elway prospect and the year it happens, they pull an Eli. You gotta shoot your shot. If they dont love the qbs in this draft, fine. But I want to know the plan going forward. Tell me you traded a 3 for Geno Smith just to win 6-8 ball games next year and have no idea who the qb is in 26 is not a plan.
when are you going to retract the UCCS misinformation about the insurance on the Watson insurance policy? professionals? lol
The ONLY quarterback that I would even consider taking in the first round is Ward. If Ward is not available, I hope they move down in the draft!
Jimmie H needs to SELL to someone who truly wants to win the Superbowl
But do you trust this coach to develop an unready qb? I dont
Why take a QB at 2 when 1 just as good or better than the top 2 is still available in round 3. Get talent in the first 2 rounds and get the 3rd round QB.
It’s absolutely insane how browns fans watched Joe Thomas’s entire career and the last 8 years of Myles Garrett’s career and learned absolutely nothing. I swear half of the fan base just loves linemen and are obsessed with them because they look like a lineman themselves and see themselves in them.
We need a QB. Point blank period. OT doesn’t win games no matter how much our fans want it to be 1960s era football. It’s not it’s 2025 and in 2025 QBs are worth double what a lineman is
Are you drunk? Picking a QB at #2 in a class that doesn't have the best talent is dumb!!! Picking at #2 is saying that person is THE SECOND BEST PLAYER IN ALL OF COLLEGE FOOTBALL!! So just pass on a possible generational talent? Best player available.
How’s drafting qbs work out for us? 🤦🏾♂️
@@a1ch3mistDexter generational linemen don’t win games so yes pass. Quarterbacks do. Please try to keep up. Next question
@wilsondamian0 when did I say linemen learn to read!
@@wilsondamian0 re-read what I wrote, try to comprehend, then apply it. Reading and comprehension before you try analyzing a draft.
How about that Quarterback from Ol'Miss....Jaxson Dart ??
Based off how the FO thinks, you need to get real comfortable with trading back. If they can fall back to 6 with Raiders, they're gambling on them being a top 10 pick next year. Its possible that roster is bad. And they have draft capital to move up. This is the Browns way of building a roster like the Lions did. 7 is probably as far back as they go, but the Jets would need to add players to make it work since they have limited capital. Just a bad team overall. Wilson or Hall from them, with the goal of Wilson. I wouldnt be shocked if Jets moved them both.
Grab Travis if he slips to #2
Negative. Fills no glaring hole on this team. League is slowly shifting to more runs Abdul Carter with Garrett and maybe JOK is a filthy combo.
@Topo42mh Wit the AFC North being QB divisions With Lamar, Burrows,N what ever Steelers do Browns gotta go defense
@@Emann012 agree there... If Garrett can get a true number one edge rusher to counter him i really shutter as to how good that defense could be. Improves secondarys ability if front line is forcing faster throws.
@@Topo42mh most definitely.. Offense wins games but Defense wins championships
@@Topo42mh The main reason why the Browns made the playoffs last year with four different quarterbacks was the D line Browns D line regressed this year and the defense wasn’t the same Carter over a reach at quarterback is the better decision
I agree G Bush
Could we draft the DTs that are needed for jim Defense? Browns will not draft a high edge while Garrett is here... it's his team and the spotlight. Think about the legendary players pick. Not a Top player... QBs are in 2-5 rounds.... WRs aren't higher then 2nd round...
YES. FINALLY someone talking sense. No DE or DT or whatever else is winning anything. We need multiple offensive starters across the board. It's all about the QB.
D line was the main reason the Browns made the playoffs last year with four different quarterbacks Ravens won a superbowl with a great defense and no quarterback
Except this is a weak year for QBs and a great year for elite players at other positions. The bust rate for QBs in the top 3 the last decade is 60%.
Well it appears the Browns are picking a quarterback because all the propaganda is going to start thick and heavy!
Draft Abdul Carter and put him on the other side of Myles Garrett
G is much better being Solo ❤
Regardless of who the Browns draft at #2, the Browns will not be good.next season.
NOW THE VALUE OF A QB? IS 80+% OF YOU BEING ABLE TO WIN! PERIOD! AN ABOVE AVERAGE QB CAN TAKE YOU TO THE SUPERBOWL! BUT A MYLES GARRET! BITIONIO! JEUEDY! WARD! ETC... WIN IT FOR YOU!
YOU NEED AN ABOVE AVG. QB
TO GET YOU THERE!
I've been waiting for using Bush to come on dolo first round Sanders if nobody trades second round offensive line first pick and 3rd round running back then office of line at pick 9 7 fourth round my favorite sleeper Cam Skattebo.then straight defense after that look we're going back to the zone schemes the fastest style a running game will make sure Sanders plus his dad a good probably great quarterback keyword running game then guaranteed defense goes back to top five in the league keep it simple come on Barry don't drive any damn d-tackles mid rounds please don't the kid from Ohio State last year rookie will be a star that's Myles Garrett help right there. Sanders had experience of playing with a bad old line with zero running game that is a equation for success coming to the NFL ambient Dion song with the IQ please draft him cranberry. guaranteed Myles Garrettl won't be demanding no trade.
Patrick Mahomes was traded for
As usual G, you are right on 👍
Cam Ward or nothing !
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The QB prospects at the top are Brady Quinn and Jedrick Wills
Facts i keep saying the same thing. People are scared to be Great, but they feel that way cause our coach and GM are bad but people rather give them a pass. Their mediocracy is example of Browns fans expectations and excuses.
After listening to you, what you’re saying makes sense. I didn’t agree with you at the beginning but I agree now after all the evidence you threw out. We need so much , it’s not funny.
The Browns need to get a quarterback at #2, you have to keep swinging until you nail the quarterback position. Until they get the quarterback position right, none of the other positions matter. The Browns have been awful because they have not had a good quarterback since 1999. They have tried to build up the other positions thinking it will minimize the weakness at quarterback, but that strategy has not worked, so they need to keep swinging and hope they connect at quarterback. With 9 picks in the 2025 draft, I would consider drafting 2 quarterbacks, to give themselves multiple bites at the apple in this draft. Given the Browns injuries at the quarterback position getting 2 would not be a bad move. Washington did it in the 2012 draft with RJ3 and Kirk Cousins.
It's one thing to swing at a pitch right down the middle or even in the strike zone, but this year they'll be swinging at pitches low and in the dirt.
Cam ward is my pick period!