Great explanation of this stuff, i’m doing about the same rebuild as you. Have the motorcycle since half of February. It had not run for 4 years. Manage to get it running but now still in the process of taking apart the bike. Little bit of delay because i have no decent garage or shed where i can do the work. Hoping to find some space soon. Keep up the great video’s!
Hagar - super helpful as always! Have you thought about doing a series of videos on setting up a workshop? Essential tools, walking is through your setup, etc?
Great work on the paint. Have you decided if you want the fins polished? Kinda digging the blacked out look. After all this hard work and I bet you can't wait to hear the engine roar.
I have an intruder 1400 1992, how do you regulate valves in that one? Or what are the entry and exit indications? Thank you! Tengo una intruder 1400 1992, como se regulan válvulas en esa? O cuáles son las indicaciones de entrada y salida? Gracias!
Hello enjoying your intruder series. But finding compression stroke is redundant if there is no cam the important step is tdc which you can find on the flywheel like you shown on RT for “ rear cylinder timing mark “ and I am sure the have a FT timing mark for the front cylinder timing. These marks are for engine timing not ignition timing. Just some FYI
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Thanks Man&Machine. You're not wrong my friend, the tdc reference on compression stroke is force of habbit. By the time the penny dropped while editing the video, I couldn't justify deleting it. I figured its still good info that the average weekend mechanic should be aware of, even if its not relevant to this particular bike. 😉
I really wanted to see how rockers are implemented as well as decompression mechanism. And you didn't bother to show it. Does it have valve stem seals? Did you replace them?
How can you know that it is actally compression stroke, when your rocker arms are missing? -> valves are closed all the time.
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There is absolutely no reference to the "compression" stroke in the workshop manual, checked dozens of online forums etc and all confirmed that the procedure for this bike is TDC at no.1 cylinder (rear) - However the important of TDC on the compression stroke is however pretty much essential on all other bikes that I have worked on. Thought it better to add that info than leave it out ;)
When you do valve timing with No.2 (front cylinder) did you Rotate the generator rotor 450 degrees (1 and 1/4 turns) and align the “F I T” line on the rotor with the center of hole on the generator cover? Because in video i didn't see that..Or just Rotate the generator rotor to set the No. 1 engine’s piston at TDC of the compression stroke. (Rotate the rotor until the “R I T” line on the rotor is aligned with the center of hole on the generator cover.) And set up the same time both camshaft?
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DO NOT rotate the gen at all! Time the rear cylinder first and leave the gen in its RT location. The workshop manual clearly states not to rotate the gen at all.
I have a question are you able to reply do i put the front cylinder on before the water unions on heads or is it easier to do it after both cylinders are on
Hagar I need some help the starter teeth broke off the starter ring on my vs1400. Also Massive backfire on front cylinder. I checked the timing using the R/T and the arrow and looks to be possibly off. Recently replaced head gasket and base gasket. In your video when you take the slack out the chain the arrow aligns perfectly with the head. Can you confirm the arrow doesn't move slightly downward or upward when the tensioner is released. I cannot get it to stay perfectly aligned and parallel with the head when the tension is on the chain. With no tension I push forward slightly to remove the slack and everything aligns perfectly. I've redone it over 20 times a tooth either side but the arrow always points slightly up or down dependant on tooth position when under tension. Thank you
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You will get some movement in the cam sprockets when you release the tensioner, this is residual movement and will not effect the timing...providing you have got the alignment, TDC etc spot on as per the user manual. The backfire will not be down to bad timing, bad timing typically would show symptoms such as not firing up at all or a very clear, out of time sound when it does finally get going. The backfire is likely fuel related(Carbs would be my guess) have you had them cleaned recently? Also the starter ring tooth? do you mean a tooth on your starter motor has broken off? I would highly advise replacing said motor before it shatters into your generator and causes all kinds of bottom end damage.
first, just want to say that I love your video's. They have helped me immensely with my rebuild. I just did the timing on my engine and am at the same point as this video. I have a question about the rocker arm tappets I think they are called. I noticed you did not do anything with the tappets. my manual says that you have to bleed the air out of them or they will make a ticking sound and could result in damaging the engine if you don't? They don't say in the manual how to do it? I have googled a bit. I think they are hydraulic tappets on my 98 vs1400. I have found some that say you have to remove them and bleed the air out. Others say just drive the bike slowly for a bit and they will bleed themselves? can you please tell me who is right? i just assembled the rear cam cover without doing anything but don't want to go farther if I am going to do any damage to the engine. Also while putting the cover on, there is interference with the rocker arms and valves and had to tighten the bolts down in order to seal the cover. I am guessing this is normal? it looks like that is what you did, but you didn't mention it. Thank You again for your very informative videos. I don't know what i would have done without you as the manuals are not that easy to follow.
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Hi Andy, thank you for taking the time to write such lovely words, it is appreciated. In regards to the tappets (hydraulic lifters) I can only speak from personal experience. While it is "propper practice" to disassemble and drain etc, I am not 100% convinced this is required. I did not do this on my rockers although I did debate whether to completely disassemble the head case/lifters to clean, and rebuild but honestly, I wouldn't be too concerned with it. Don't forget that my bike only has 18k on the clock, if yours is up in the 40k+ mark, it might be worth your while going the extra mile.
Buenas tardes , tengo una duda , cambié el estator de mi moto suzuki intruder LC 1500cc y note que el engrane que une la marcha con la polea del sigueñal tiene juego , es normal? No se si al cerrar la tapa se corrija el juego ?
RT is “NOT” tdc for the front cylinder, rear only, FT is for front Tdc. I destroyed my head piston and exhaust valve by doing exactly what you said, I tried to figure out what went wrong and if you simply check piston level on both cylinders at “RT TDC” the rear will be at tdc but not front
Hi Hagar, i have a problem with my intruder 1400 and i need you advice please on what to do.. i hear a ticking sound on the engine.. ive changed the timing chains on both engines but still hears the ticking sound.. could you help me please..
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Hard for me to say without hearing or seeing it my friend. Feel free to send me a video via facebook
Just did mine, vs 800 is different than the 1400 procedure. Manual says line up R/T with timing hole on cover, than time both front and rear off that mark at the same time. Also, my vs800 has a timing mark cast into the inner case at the same location as the Hole in the cover. (If the cover is removed). I verified that mark with a dial indicator on the rear TDC. Cams seam to be in different stages ( rear is at TDC and front is about BTDC) but alignment marks are where they should be on the cams and gears.
I did all of it, but my valves is ticking a bit when i give a little bit of throttle. But only on the rear cylinder, the rear cylinder is also much colder than the front, any suggestions? 🙈 And thanks a lot for the videos
how about the oil pump I have this Clymer pos manual and can not find the damn thing, and you are the only professional I know, I took my bike to a Suzuki shop, and they charged me $2000. just to re rebuild the carburetors and fucked shit up there broke my choke connector, so I will never return to those dumb ass rip offs
Sorry, but with the ro keys removed all the valves are closed on both cylinders , and you have the same results on the exhaust stroke as on the compression , namely a pfffft ! TDC cannot be determined that way .
Pisses me off that the book and even you dose not show how to install the rear cam! You said you were gonna show it but then did not
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Pisses me off that I put all of this out there for free to help people like yourself, only to receive comments like yours that illustrate how ungrateful and undeserving of my efforts you are. Had you asked like a decent person, I would have pointed you to the correct place to get this information within my collection. I would have probably even offered you direct contact with me and I would have spent even more of my time talking with you to help you, as I have with hundreds of others who asked. Best of luck with your build.
Este maestro explica tan bien, que yo no hablo inglés y le entiendo. Thank
Great explanation of this stuff, i’m doing about the same rebuild as you. Have the motorcycle since half of February. It had not run for 4 years. Manage to get it running but now still in the process of taking apart the bike. Little bit of delay because i have no decent garage or shed where i can do the work. Hoping to find some space soon. Keep up the great video’s!
Glad it helped!!!
Hagar - super helpful as always! Have you thought about doing a series of videos on setting up a workshop? Essential tools, walking is through your setup, etc?
Good job man hopefully you get to enjoy all your hard work
hello, could you please show the suziki intruder 600 timing sent setting in detail? I would be very pleased.
thanks for this, I timed my M50 wrong, you were clear and helped a lot!
Great work on the paint. Have you decided if you want the fins polished? Kinda digging the blacked out look. After all this hard work and I bet you can't wait to hear the engine roar.
I have an intruder 1400 1992, how do you regulate valves in that one? Or what are the entry and exit indications? Thank you!
Tengo una intruder 1400 1992, como se regulan válvulas en esa? O cuáles son las indicaciones de entrada y salida? Gracias!
Hello enjoying your intruder series. But finding compression stroke is redundant if there is no cam the important step is tdc which you can find on the flywheel like you shown on RT for “ rear cylinder timing mark “ and I am sure the have a FT timing mark for the front cylinder timing. These marks are for engine timing not ignition timing. Just some FYI
Thanks Man&Machine. You're not wrong my friend, the tdc reference on compression stroke is force of habbit. By the time the penny dropped while editing the video, I couldn't justify deleting it. I figured its still good info that the average weekend mechanic should be aware of, even if its not relevant to this particular bike. 😉
@ i definitely understand your reasoning. You are very thorough on your videos which is not a bad thing. 😃
Tanks for this bery videos
do you also have a video on how to adjust the valve ?
I think they are hydraulic adjusters on the VS1400
I really wanted to see how rockers are implemented as well as decompression mechanism. And you didn't bother to show it. Does it have valve stem seals? Did you replace them?
How can you know that it is actally compression stroke, when your rocker arms are missing? -> valves are closed all the time.
There is absolutely no reference to the "compression" stroke in the workshop manual, checked dozens of online forums etc and all confirmed that the procedure for this bike is TDC at no.1 cylinder (rear) - However the important of TDC on the compression stroke is however pretty much essential on all other bikes that I have worked on. Thought it better to add that info than leave it out ;)
When you do valve timing with No.2 (front cylinder) did you Rotate the generator rotor 450 degrees (1 and 1/4 turns) and
align the “F I T” line on the rotor with the center of hole on the generator cover? Because in video i didn't see that..Or just Rotate the generator rotor to set the No. 1 engine’s piston at
TDC of the compression stroke. (Rotate the rotor until the “R I
T” line on the rotor is aligned with the center of hole on the
generator cover.) And set up the same time both camshaft?
DO NOT rotate the gen at all! Time the rear cylinder first and leave the gen in its RT location. The workshop manual clearly states not to rotate the gen at all.
Where did you get your floor boards at? Over here we can’t seem to find any for the 1400. Can’t find anything for for light assembly either.
I have a question are you able to reply do i put the front cylinder on before the water unions on heads or is it easier to do it after both cylinders are on
Hagar I need some help the starter teeth broke off the starter ring on my vs1400. Also Massive backfire on front cylinder. I checked the timing using the R/T and the arrow and looks to be possibly off. Recently replaced head gasket and base gasket. In your video when you take the slack out the chain the arrow aligns perfectly with the head. Can you confirm the arrow doesn't move slightly downward or upward when the tensioner is released. I cannot get it to stay perfectly aligned and parallel with the head when the tension is on the chain. With no tension I push forward slightly to remove the slack and everything aligns perfectly. I've redone it over 20 times a tooth either side but the arrow always points slightly up or down dependant on tooth position when under tension. Thank you
You will get some movement in the cam sprockets when you release the tensioner, this is residual movement and will not effect the timing...providing you have got the alignment, TDC etc spot on as per the user manual. The backfire will not be down to bad timing, bad timing typically would show symptoms such as not firing up at all or a very clear, out of time sound when it does finally get going. The backfire is likely fuel related(Carbs would be my guess) have you had them cleaned recently?
Also the starter ring tooth? do you mean a tooth on your starter motor has broken off? I would highly advise replacing said motor before it shatters into your generator and causes all kinds of bottom end damage.
first, just want to say that I love your video's. They have helped me immensely with my rebuild.
I just did the timing on my engine and am at the same point as this video. I have a question about the rocker arm tappets I think they are called. I noticed you did not do anything with the tappets. my manual says that you have to bleed the air out of them or they will make a ticking sound and could result in damaging the engine if you don't? They don't say in the manual how to do it?
I have googled a bit. I think they are hydraulic tappets on my 98 vs1400. I have found some that say you have to remove them and bleed the air out. Others say just drive the bike slowly for a bit and they will bleed themselves? can you please tell me who is right? i just assembled the rear cam cover without doing anything but don't want to go farther if I am going to do any damage to the engine.
Also while putting the cover on, there is interference with the rocker arms and valves and had to tighten the bolts down in order to seal the cover. I am guessing this is normal? it looks like that is what you did, but you didn't mention it.
Thank You again for your very informative videos. I don't know what i would have done without you as the manuals are not that easy to follow.
Hi Andy, thank you for taking the time to write such lovely words, it is appreciated.
In regards to the tappets (hydraulic lifters) I can only speak from personal experience. While it is "propper practice" to disassemble and drain etc, I am not 100% convinced this is required. I did not do this on my rockers although I did debate whether to completely disassemble the head case/lifters to clean, and rebuild but honestly, I wouldn't be too concerned with it. Don't forget that my bike only has 18k on the clock, if yours is up in the 40k+ mark, it might be worth your while going the extra mile.
How are the valves adjusted on this motor ? Cant find a video on it
Buenas tardes , tengo una duda , cambié el estator de mi moto suzuki intruder LC 1500cc y note que el engrane que une la marcha con la polea del sigueñal tiene juego , es normal? No se si al cerrar la tapa se corrija el juego ?
Perfekt video
hy ,what is the timing chain replacment interval? can i buy a vs 1400 whit 75000 km?
RT is “NOT” tdc for the front cylinder, rear only, FT is for front Tdc. I destroyed my head piston and exhaust valve by doing exactly what you said, I tried to figure out what went wrong and if you simply check piston level on both cylinders at “RT TDC” the rear will be at tdc but not front
So how do you adjust the valve lash??
Hi Hagar, i have a problem with my intruder 1400 and i need you advice please on what to do.. i hear a ticking sound on the engine.. ive changed the timing chains on both engines but still hears the ticking sound.. could you help me please..
Hard for me to say without hearing or seeing it my friend. Feel free to send me a video via facebook
@, will make a video and send it to you..thanks much
sent video on you FB account.. (ronnie vibar is my account) thanks a million
hi hagar have sent the video on fb messenger.. for your assistance pls.
@ hi have you check the video Ive sent? thanks
Boa noite amigo eu gostaria de saber como coloca o motor da intruder 1400 glp 94 no ponto rt e ft
Does anyone build or customize cams for these bikes and other Suzuki’s? Can’t find anyone near me in Kentucky that does
how can i get the vealv sir
Could you tell me how to time a 2005 C50 800 Suzuki Boulevard
Just did mine, vs 800 is different than the 1400 procedure. Manual says line up R/T with timing hole on cover, than time both front and rear off that mark at the same time. Also, my vs800 has a timing mark cast into the inner case at the same location as the Hole in the cover. (If the cover is removed). I verified that mark with a dial indicator on the rear TDC. Cams seam to be in different stages ( rear is at TDC and front is about BTDC) but alignment marks are where they should be on the cams and gears.
Dial indicator are pretty cheap now. Put an extension on the dail indicator and get it 100% to TDC
without rocker arms on the valves every up stroke will feel like a compression stroke.
Muy buenos lastima que no los pasan en español hace mucha falta pura vida ??
What happens if a point run in the rear cylinder could heat that part of the engine including the left exhaust?
You actually even say that it points to the left! But that's imposed!
Subtitulos. Por favor
I did all of it, but my valves is ticking a bit when i give a little bit of throttle. But only on the rear cylinder, the rear cylinder is also much colder than the front, any suggestions? 🙈 And thanks a lot for the videos
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how about the oil pump I have this Clymer pos manual and can not find the damn thing, and you are the only professional I know, I took my bike to a Suzuki shop, and they charged me $2000. just to re rebuild the carburetors and fucked shit up there broke my choke connector, so I will never return to those dumb ass rip offs
Thank You SO MUCH for Teaching 🙏C< 3)>>-Z->}
My pleasure Zus!
Sorry, but with the ro keys removed all the valves are closed on both cylinders , and you have the same results on the exhaust stroke as on the compression , namely a pfffft !
TDC cannot be determined that way .
Pisses me off that the book and even you dose not show how to install the rear cam! You said you were gonna show it but then did not
Pisses me off that I put all of this out there for free to help people like yourself, only to receive comments like yours that illustrate how ungrateful and undeserving of my efforts you are. Had you asked like a decent person, I would have pointed you to the correct place to get this information within my collection. I would have probably even offered you direct contact with me and I would have spent even more of my time talking with you to help you, as I have with hundreds of others who asked. Best of luck with your build.