Hi all! There have been a lot of comments regarding the final clip with 2 lanes approaching the mini roundabout. I'm just going to grab a camera and I'll put something together to explain what to do. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Ineeed Ashley, it’s hard to tell from the clip but it looks pretty narrow for 2 cars to fit around the mini roundabout. Maybe the cars in lane one were also straight lining a bit too?
@@123MondayTuesday Well of course; they would clearly be cutting you up, and dropping back by half a length to make it all fit would mean LETTING THEM WIN, which is, as we all know, impossible as it would mean in this zero sum game of road usage, you'd be a *loser*.
This video really resonated with me. I recognise a lot of these behaviours in my own driving, particularly the speeding up or changing direction of travel to 'punish' those who I perceive as having wronged me. This is probably the most egregious trait that I'm eradicating from my diving as it's monumentally selfish, unnecessary and potentially dangerous. Also, it must be unsettling for those that are on the other end of it who are driving in a perfectly reasonable manner or making minor errors at worst, then suddenly they've got a windscreen full of car and an ear full of horn and aggression. I started out watching dash cam vids for entertainment but ended up getting really shaken as I recognised a lot of the bad behaviours in my own driving, I realised I needed to do something about it straight away. This channel has become an invaluable source of education, reflection and inspiration to analyse everything I do on the road and try and correct my mistakes. Thanks Ashley! :-)
people become some entitled when they drive when it should be about common courtesy. nobody says thank you anymore when you let them in when you didnt have to etc... no one knows how to merge, people stopping at yields and yielding on a stop sign. There should be bad driving police where they only drive around and look for stupid infractions that people do that have no excuse doing it other than laziness an self entitledness. this is the only thing in the world where people just dont get better doing whatever it is with time. Normally you get better at things when youve been doing it for awhile right?
G'day Paul, I respect you having the strength of Character to admit you have learnt that you need to drive less selfishly, I am trying to do this also, I have always been patient with Learners & happy to merge or let others in, but I get really frustrated with people who do not keep a constant speed & am trying to be not so easily aggravated by this as it then gets me in a bad mood which makes me easily aggravated by other driving habits I am normally not upset by, I wish you the best as we try to be the better people we want to be 🥰🚗
I am generally a tootle-along type. But yes I've been guilty of overreacting too. Ah that feels better,first step is admission, next one is to take a breath next time and let it go. If my wife is in the car with me she always calls me out, eg. "Two minutes and you are giving out". I'm sure if I could look at my driving from the outside objectively I'd roadrage myself!
I would like to think he would swallow his pride and learn from this, see the positive side. But you may be correct if he has that kind of personality he may instead choose to be defensive and blame Ashley. I hope he is more mature than that.
It's called 'small dick energy'. Happy to get too close to other cars when they feel righteously aggrieved, but takes being overtaken as a personal slight.
What on earth is the point of accelerating when you see a potential hazard developing in front of you? Nine times out of ten all you need to do is lift your foot for a couple of seconds and the other motorist's minor misjudgement becomes insignificant. It's better for your blood pressure too!
Part of being a good driver that they're clearly missing is that being a good driver means anticipating other peoples' mistakes, and acting accordingly.
i love your videos ashley, ive been driving HGV's for 27 years and im still learning and improving. i think your attitude to improve road safety is 2nd to none and a must watch for all drivers new and old. keep up the good work sir.
I’m confused by the last mini roundabout clip. Why are there two lanes leading onto the roundabout if you’re supposed to go around and there’s only space for one car at a time to do so?
@@jimclarke5049 You've clearly misunderstood the point Mr Blablablabla was making. He was simply saying there isn't enough room to go around that roundabout properly in the last clip because there doesn't appear to be enough room to do so. I have to agree, looks like a poor road layout.
@@jimclarke5049 well Jim maybe pay attention to the video, becuase to turn right and go around the roundabout part of your car will be in the LEFT LANE, Its a poor road layout, so do you think theres enough space for say 2 big vans at the same time to share the left lane
There’s nothing to be confused about. The roundabout is only there to let you know the priority. You do not have to go around a mini roundabout. It’s only there to show priority. In the clip the car did the correct thing, approach on right hand lane, indicate and any car coming opposite should give way to you
They're called roundabouts for a reason, because you're supposed to go around them, unless you're driving a large vehicle which can't actually make it around them.
3:40 It doesn't look like there's space for two vehicles to go around the roundabout at the same time. I would have gone over the roundabout too since that's the only safe thing to do when there's two lanes going into a single lane roundabout. If he had gone around and there were cars in the first lane then he would have to cut them up to avoid driving over the roundabout.
I take it the idea of slowing down and maybe just slotting in behind the vehicle in front (if there's no room to be side-by-side) has occured to you then
Why would you want to go round alongside another vehicle? The roundabout is very similar to countless conventional roundabouts where two lanes go into a single lane roundabout, the only difference being the smaller size and flat centre. You would not need to go over a conventional roundabout, so why would you need to do it here?
I think the point is that yes that roundabout is poorly designed but other traffic will be expecting you to go around it so even if he went over the white circle he could have been forward thinking enough to take a wider line and expect someone to go from the other direction and be prepared to let off the accelerator a little. He was so desperate to cut that roundabout for dashcam footage he effectively counter rotated it
3:43 genuine question. How can you avoid going over that roundabout? There isn't enough space to go around it due to the space taken up by drivers going straight ahead.
Just imagine for a second this driver is in the right every single time. Hazard Perception is a big part of driving and not putting yourself in ‘potential’ crashing situations.
Dash cammer mentality. If they actively anticipated and perceived hazards to avoid, they wouldn't have a video to upload. Dash cams have been a problem as much as they been a positive, IMHO
I'm on the cammers side in clip 2. When you've got a huge layby like that you have no excuse for pulling out and obstructing oncoming traffic. The cammer should have given him an extra few seconds of horn to persuade him not to do that in the future. In most of the clips he should have removed his own aggression completely, but the guy in the 2nd clip deserved more than he got.
Yep the person pulling out was making a mess of it. But, apart from making some part of you feel 'superior' what would your approach achieve for anyone?
@@JakobusVdL It's not about making me feel superior, it's about telling the other driver not to be a d-head. Most driving errors are minor and should be let go, but he's deliberately blocking a fast road in the hopes of persuading someone to slow down and let him in. He should have been sitting and waiting in the layby until both sides of the road were clear, but instead of waiting he decided to block the road in the hope that someone would let him in. There's no excuse for him doing what he did, so he deserved a few seconds of horn to tell him not to be a d head in future.
Fair enough@@KingHumphrey, but given you consistently call the other driver a d'head, and put yourself in the position of judging their actions as inexcusible, when really we have no idea what that drivers actual situation was. I'm seeing a bit of a feeling of superiority and need to vent in there, and still don't see what you'd actually achieve. It certainly wouldn't make the situation better. Drive safe, and don't wear the horn out ;-)
Fair. But he still had ages to react. He could see the car pulled out way before he got there. He should have still slowed down! No point in carrying on speeding, even if it's within the speed limit, when you can see an obvious obstruction just because "they shouldn't be blocking the road! I have priority! I shouldn't HAVE to slow down". That attitude doesn't help anyone. The horn also isn't there to reprimand people either ;)
Hi mate, I see some of the attributes being demonstrated in your videos in some of my own driving. I've been reflecting and I am beginning to have a much calmer and stress free approach to driving and in return it is making me a safer and more sensible driver. Thank you
For the first time, Ashley, I disagree with you. On the second clip the Fiat shouldn't have pulled out if it wasn't clear in both directions. However, I don't like how the cammer handled the situation, they seem very aggressive in all the clips and would probably benefit by learning some defensive driving techniques.
Yes, they made a mistake, I'm guessing they misjudged a gap in the traffic from the other direction and got stuck in that position, but from point where the video starts they are already in the road and the cammer had more than enough time to safely come to a stop and wait for the car to move.
I dont think he he's saying the car pulling out was correct, but simple better observations from the cammer meant he wouldn't have to brake hard, he could have easily slowed down gradually and more controlled if he'd read the road ahead better.
@@LITTLEbigREG the cammer uploaded that video to UK dashcams last week, his excuse was that there was another car behind him. Still a BS excuse for not slowing down earlier. Yes, the fiat was in the wrong place, but how he handled it didn't improve the situation.
He's one of those who'd be shouting "I've got you on camera" but totally oblivious of his own failings. One who will accelerate towards the problem rather than to just ease off for a second or two.
Saw the first clip and I instantly said "that looks like stourport!" Haven't lived around that area (lived in Abberley Village) for ages! Crazy how you can instantly recognize that disgusting 1 way system they have :P Love these clips when the recorder is wrong, Keep them coming Ashley, hopefully they aren't too pig headed enough to understand and accept the criticism in the positive way you intend it.
Hi Ashley, some interesting thoughtful clips there. The mini roundabout clips are always contentious, who entered the roundabout first etc etc. One worrying trend which I see everyday on the roads, especially in our ever busy cities is the one of the car exiting the layby, who pulled across one lane even though the other wasn't clear, thereby blocking the road. I agree your dashcam driver didn't help as they didn't slow down, entirely too quick for the situation............but I think this is a very dangerous practice which I see happening more and more, and can only one day lead to horrific accidents happening, especially if done on a high speed ie National Speed Limit two way road.
This is why I fitted a dash cam to protect myself against people who drive like this, with the potential to the cause of an accident rather than preventing one.
The first roundabout even has arrows pointing in the direction your supposed to travel around it actually painted on the road around it to avoid any confusion !
@@Jonc25 Folks coming down the hill, just don't like stopping. They keep going to try and stop any attempt of anyone coming out from the left. They forget to look who wants to turn right.
In the first one the van is already occupying the roundabout before the camer arrives, so the van has priority; it is approaching the camer from the right.
I make a point of going round roundabouts and on large one’s choosing carefully where to position myself at entry, during and approaching exit, trying to signal in a way that helps. It’s a bit of an art form but if you can go for years without being hooted or causing anyone else to abruptly stop then you’re probably doing it right.
Good commentary Ashley. Be the change you want to see. I ride a motorcycle and my aim on every ride is not only to get where I'm going safely but to do so with minimal stress to me and others.
Most of the videos you see online of near misses are generally situations where a little more foresight and planning on the cammers part would make the driving experience much smoother and avoid such stresses. There would be hardly any videos online if people didn’t put their foot down and cause a near miss, or looked ahead and slowed down earlier. Driving can be so much more enjoyable when You take the aggression out. Drive safe all.
The psychology is so important: drive A to B safely & without incident; don't cause any near misses, or issues with pedestrians & drivers. Unfortunately, some have a gladiatoral view: it's a competition, a race, you have to 'beat' everyone, prove you're right, hold this bit of 'your' road at any cost! Even if risking an accident, drivers with this attitude won't be sensible, forgiving, relaxed etc. They wonder why driving is SO tense & unenjoyable.
Looked him up after this. His 1 minute video of come guy undertaking him and him proceeding to have a full on breakdown on the verge of tears is something I do NOT regret searching for.
I would be embarrassed to send those clips in, especially on the basis that they think they are in the right. The number of people that think these are called straight-across-abouts is mind blowing. I get it with some really small mini roundabouts, especially with larger vehicles, but that didn't seem to look like an issue for that driver to go around
It seems to be the way that as soon as people have a dashcam they get some sort of superiority complex whereby they can do no wrong. It's always the other people.
In a similar way to watching enlightening road rage videos, it is surprising how over exaggerated or excessively fast manoeuvres (I once thought probably looked good when I was a younger driver), in reality actually look very silly when viewed as a casual observer or third party. When a vehicle is driven with care, courtesy within the applicable confines of the law; this looks far better. Perhaps a lesson we all need to remember to consider during difficult times; simplified as an exercise in ones self control? Your body language when driving and of course the rhythm of your voice during narration Ashley is one of relaxed, calm and mindful control, which I admire and a lot of the time find difficult to emulate consistently when traveling from A to B.
There is a mini roundabout near my house, and the amount of accidents I've had from people who are doing 40-50mph and choose to drive over it is unreal. And half the time those people choose to beep me or give me another form of aggressive gesture. It's got to the point where I just wait til is completely clear as 90-95% of road users use it as a straight away, even though there could be more then enough time for me to emerge if they actually follow the highway code.
My biggest bugbear at roundabouts is people not indicating right going in or indicating left too early. I drive for a living and this really pees me off. Just gimme a clue as to what your intentions are!
I have been watching your videos to learn and they are excellent. I have yet to disagree on your impartial diagnosis of any incident. The calmness in your voice is emplemary as it makes me want to replicate that state of mind. Unfortunately the clips are typical of my every day experience as a driver clocking over 20 K miles a year. As a backround I have been driving for over 50 years and have had 2 speeding fines for being over limit by 3 and 4 miles per hr respectively. Keep up the good work.
Good video! You're right when you say so many people intentionally try to cause issues where there isn't one, especially if they were to reduce their speed or look further ahead. And so few people treat mini roundabouts the same as normal roundabouts.
To be honest though, with these mini roundabouts, I can completely understand why someone wouldn't know you're not supposed to drive over them if they had never learned it, or if they learned to drive somewhere where such roundabouts didn't exist.
Ashley is spot on here. Here's the Hightway Code on this: "All vehicles MUST pass round the central markings except large vehicles which are physically incapable of doing so." Urban myth used to be that you could go over it if it was flat. That is NOT what is stated in the current Code. Basically you need to go round it as much as you can reasonably (some mini roundabouts are a bit too small or badly positioned to allow you to sensibly avoid the white blob entirely even in a car, but that is the exception).
First clip Stourport High Street , most people drive pretty slowly because it is always busy. Rest around Kidderminster same storey , guy ignoring roundabouts.
My understanding is that you can drive over a mini roundabout if you are in a larger vehicle that would have troble taking it correctly but surely you only have to give way to traffic from the right if it is already on the roundabout, I often see people sit at all the entries not sure who should go first because they have all stopped. Mini r/bouts are a bit tricky to do correctly because, also, they are so small that one cannot always do all the correct signalling in time.
That last clip of that camera driver totally disgraceful, I’ve seen many do this while cycling up to mini roundabouts it’s like hardly any driver knows they are on a roundabout
I love how lots of these people don't even slow to approach miniroundabouts, or anywhere for that matter. See an obstruction or even POTENTIAL hazard up ahead? Slow down, anticipate. It's not rocket science. Such single-minded approaches, the road is for everyone. You're equally looking out for others on the road as much as yourself. Like you said, this isn't to shame the people uploading, but to make others aware of the incorrect mindset to have.
1st clip looks close but the building is clearly blocking the van drivers view a bit and to be fair, the cammer wasn't even on the roundabout so give way to the vehicle on the roundabout.
People who think car already ON the roundabout should give way to them simply because they're driving faster are the worst. And why don't those small roundabouts have any protrusion in the middle to stop people from driving straight across.
Mini-roundabouts. Approach these in the same way as normal roundabouts. All vehicles MUST pass round the central markings except large vehicles which are physically incapable of doing so. Remember, there is less space to manoeuvre and less time to signal. Avoid making U-turns at mini-roundabouts. Beware of others doing this. Laws RTA 1988 sect 36 & TSRGD regs 10(1) & 16(1)
Fantastic video. Some people fail to see the errors in their own driving, which in itself is very dangerous. In my opinion, clips 1,2 and 3 could all have been avoided by just using a bit of engine braking. Having to jam on the brakes normally means you came in a bit hot, or hadn't spotted a hazard early enough.
I disagree with your assessment of the final clip. The approach to the mini rbout is 2 lanes, with the right lane dedicated to RH turn. However, there are not 2 clear lanes on the r'about. Yes one can argue there are 2 car widths available, but only if both cars do indeed drive "round" - ie those going straight on do not go straight. Of course on a "proper" roundabout that might be more likely to happen naturally, but even then I would suggest a majority (?) of users on a 4 point roundabout will take as straight a line as possible if going direct ahead? Therefore anyone going right has lost road space and must take it from somewhere - ie straddle the painted the section. For 2 cars to be simultaneously on this r'bout, one them must (at least partly) straddle the painted roundel, otherwise it becomes a single file junction? I agree cammer drove well over the r'about paint, and was in the wholly wrong position in terms of the H code telling you not to do so, but even if he had circumnavigated the paint entirely on the left of it, the red car was still pulling out across his track by the time he would have got to the 1 or 2 o'clock position and thus be T boning the red car. I too would have beeped on that last clip. The previous ones however I agree with your assessment, nothing wrong expect cammer's own road rage.
On the last clip, There are two lanes feeding into the roundabout, but it is not marked up to take two lanes round it. The inside lane goes straight across, forcing the outside lane to cut across. Granted he should have had a little more patience, and approached with more caution.
Clip 2 is something I experience nearly everyday (albeit on a road with slower moving traffic). I have to creep out of an entrance/exit and very few anticipate and read the situation, rather just plough on through.
painted mini roundabouts are essentially designed to be driven over, all vehicles must however pass around the centre axis of the central markings unless they are too large to do so, they are therefore primarily designed to control priority/traffic flow, as long as a vehicle is (unless too large to do so) overall left of centre they are obeying the regulation/law, all other general roundabout rules still apply.
Years ago, I attended a talk from a Bedfordshire traffic police constable. His top tip was to drive defensively i.e. always assume that other road users will make mistakes. If you can drive with that thought in mind, your journey will be much calmer and safer. The mini roundabout is a classic example.
Yep assume everyone els can't drive and assume they are going to do something or do it incorrectly (just passed or scared of driving/can't judge distances or has a black box fitted so can't drive normally) the only time I drive offensively is when there are parked cars on one side of a wide 2 lane road and the car coming from the other direction thinks they are driving a tank or try to force right of way (by taking up both lanes or completely on the wrong side of the road) just keep left no problems (if you don't I will drive at you to force you to keep left) about a week ago said person lost her wing mirror because she tried to force the other car to stop by going head on onto the other side of the road, once she told me she swung wide I stopped talking to her because she sure would not like what I was thinking of going to say to her (hopefully the other car wing mirror was fine) but I really wish I had so she knows what she did wrong
The mini roundabout *last clip. How do you correctly use it if you're going right as was the cam vehicle? The road markings show two lanes yet at the roundabout there is clearly only one lane which forces vehicles to do exactly what the cam car did.
Only thing I did notice on the clip at 3:10 regarding the van, he didn't appear to be indicating as he pulled out of the junction. Doesn't seem like anyone else mentioned that and I'm not sure why as obviously, you're supposed to indicate whether it appears obvious where you're going or not.
A roundabout without concrete part in the middle is UK only thing (that I've seen). In my opinion, having no obstacle is asking for this kind of driving. It's probably more expensive than some paved circular area too.
The last clip he drove over the round about but the road didnt look wide enough for him to actually drive around it without stopping cars going straight on
In the last clip of the mini roundabout where cammer is turning right, in fairness to him, if he had gone around the roundabout and not across it, he'd have possibly hit cars on his left as although there is 2 lanes to the roundabout, there's not 2 lanes around it, just enough room for one and the left lane looks like it takes it all. Am I seeing it wrong?
I always love the people who drive on a 30mph road at 50 then go off on people who pull out on them causing them to slow down, when if they were doing 30 no one would have been near any thing
Hi all!
There have been a lot of comments regarding the final clip with 2 lanes approaching the mini roundabout. I'm just going to grab a camera and I'll put something together to explain what to do.
Thanks for watching and commenting.
I look forward to that.
Simple just shunt the car on the left and get some footage for YT!
Ineeed Ashley, it’s hard to tell from the clip but it looks pretty narrow for 2 cars to fit around the mini roundabout. Maybe the cars in lane one were also straight lining a bit too?
@@123MondayTuesday Well of course; they would clearly be cutting you up, and dropping back by half a length to make it all fit would mean LETTING THEM WIN, which is, as we all know, impossible as it would mean in this zero sum game of road usage, you'd be a *loser*.
Long drive to Kidderminster where Will took that clip.
This video really resonated with me. I recognise a lot of these behaviours in my own driving, particularly the speeding up or changing direction of travel to 'punish' those who I perceive as having wronged me. This is probably the most egregious trait that I'm eradicating from my diving as it's monumentally selfish, unnecessary and potentially dangerous. Also, it must be unsettling for those that are on the other end of it who are driving in a perfectly reasonable manner or making minor errors at worst, then suddenly they've got a windscreen full of car and an ear full of horn and aggression. I started out watching dash cam vids for entertainment but ended up getting really shaken as I recognised a lot of the bad behaviours in my own driving, I realised I needed to do something about it straight away. This channel has become an invaluable source of education, reflection and inspiration to analyse everything I do on the road and try and correct my mistakes. Thanks Ashley! :-)
people become some entitled when they drive when it should be about common courtesy. nobody says thank you anymore when you let them in when you didnt have to etc... no one knows how to merge, people stopping at yields and yielding on a stop sign. There should be bad driving police where they only drive around and look for stupid infractions that people do that have no excuse doing it other than laziness an self entitledness. this is the only thing in the world where people just dont get better doing whatever it is with time. Normally you get better at things when youve been doing it for awhile right?
I take it you've removed yourself out to the back yard and admonished yourself with a good thrashing?
G'day Paul, I respect you having the strength of Character to admit you have learnt that you need to drive less selfishly, I am trying to do this also, I have always been patient with Learners & happy to merge or let others in, but I get really frustrated with people who do not keep a constant speed & am trying to be not so easily aggravated by this as it then gets me in a bad mood which makes me easily aggravated by other driving habits I am normally not upset by,
I wish you the best as we try to be the better people we want to be 🥰🚗
I am generally a tootle-along type. But yes I've been guilty of overreacting too.
Ah that feels better,first step is admission, next one is to take a breath next time and let it go.
If my wife is in the car with me she always calls me out, eg. "Two minutes and you are giving out".
I'm sure if I could look at my driving from the outside objectively I'd roadrage myself!
Well done Paul. Big man stuff right there
The kind of person who goes through life looking for trouble.
I would like to think he would swallow his pride and learn from this, see the positive side. But you may be correct if he has that kind of personality he may instead choose to be defensive and blame Ashley. I hope he is more mature than that.
Karen
That's most people on the roads these days, dashcam or none.
And then regret it when he mouths off at a meathead
It's called 'small dick energy'. Happy to get too close to other cars when they feel righteously aggrieved, but takes being overtaken as a personal slight.
What on earth is the point of accelerating when you see a potential hazard developing in front of you? Nine times out of ten all you need to do is lift your foot for a couple of seconds and the other motorist's minor misjudgement becomes insignificant. It's better for your blood pressure too!
But he is a righteous twat that must upheld his honor.
He's doing it to put others under more pressure.
@Advanced Driving ...usually...
Exactly right.
1:58 I remember that exact clip from 'UK Dash Cameras,' looks like your viewer has sent it to other people as well.
Aye, I thought I'd seen it there last Sunday. Just another over reaction just to get a video to send in.
Thought it looked familiar
Or taken it off there hence the added text?
He has the attitude of he is a good driver, everybody else is useless - points the finger, never holds his hands up
Part of being a good driver that they're clearly missing is that being a good driver means anticipating other peoples' mistakes, and acting accordingly.
@@Harrod200 spot on.
i love your videos ashley, ive been driving HGV's for 27 years and im still learning and improving. i think your attitude to improve road safety is 2nd to none and a must watch for all drivers new and old. keep up the good work sir.
Hi brad well said as all I have seen up until now is negative comments so well said I say 👏👏x
I’m confused by the last mini roundabout clip. Why are there two lanes leading onto the roundabout if you’re supposed to go around and there’s only space for one car at a time to do so?
Yep
Straight on turn left left lane right turn right lane not rocket science
@@jimclarke5049 You've clearly misunderstood the point Mr Blablablabla was making. He was simply saying there isn't enough room to go around that roundabout properly in the last clip because there doesn't appear to be enough room to do so. I have to agree, looks like a poor road layout.
@@jimclarke5049 well Jim maybe pay attention to the video, becuase to turn right and go around the roundabout part of your car will be in the LEFT LANE, Its a poor road layout, so do you think theres enough space for say 2 big vans at the same time to share the left lane
There’s nothing to be confused about. The roundabout is only there to let you know the priority. You do not have to go around a mini roundabout. It’s only there to show priority. In the clip the car did the correct thing, approach on right hand lane, indicate and any car coming opposite should give way to you
They're called roundabouts for a reason, because you're supposed to go around them, unless you're driving a large vehicle which can't actually make it around them.
3:40 It doesn't look like there's space for two vehicles to go around the roundabout at the same time. I would have gone over the roundabout too since that's the only safe thing to do when there's two lanes going into a single lane roundabout.
If he had gone around and there were cars in the first lane then he would have to cut them up to avoid driving over the roundabout.
I was thinking the same thing. How stupid of a design is that piece of road
I take it the idea of slowing down and maybe just slotting in behind the vehicle in front (if there's no room to be side-by-side) has occured to you then
Why would you want to go round alongside another vehicle? The roundabout is very similar to countless conventional roundabouts where two lanes go into a single lane roundabout, the only difference being the smaller size and flat centre. You would not need to go over a conventional roundabout, so why would you need to do it here?
But he's significantly far behind the vehicles in the left lane? They cleared the round about before he even started his turn
I think the point is that yes that roundabout is poorly designed but other traffic will be expecting you to go around it so even if he went over the white circle he could have been forward thinking enough to take a wider line and expect someone to go from the other direction and be prepared to let off the accelerator a little.
He was so desperate to cut that roundabout for dashcam footage he effectively counter rotated it
3:43 genuine question. How can you avoid going over that roundabout? There isn't enough space to go around it due to the space taken up by drivers going straight ahead.
I agree.
Going round that mini-roundabout would have caused a side-on collision with cars going straight on.
This is someone creating content for TH-cam. I’ve seen some of these clips already submitted to various dashcam channels.
Last clip (mini roundabout) the car is so far to the right that the cammer has gone round the roundabout the wrong way.
Just imagine for a second this driver is in the right every single time. Hazard Perception is a big part of driving and not putting yourself in ‘potential’ crashing situations.
Dash cammer mentality. If they actively anticipated and perceived hazards to avoid, they wouldn't have a video to upload.
Dash cams have been a problem as much as they been a positive, IMHO
@@RichO1701e a dash cammer with enough for a channel is like someone with 20 consecutive "asshole" or "toxic" ex partners.
Wherever that guy crossed the mini- roundabout there was no case for the incoming vehicle to cross his path.
All of these can be summed up with "Two wrongs don't make a right".
I'm on the cammers side in clip 2. When you've got a huge layby like that you have no excuse for pulling out and obstructing oncoming traffic. The cammer should have given him an extra few seconds of horn to persuade him not to do that in the future. In most of the clips he should have removed his own aggression completely, but the guy in the 2nd clip deserved more than he got.
Yep the person pulling out was making a mess of it. But, apart from making some part of you feel 'superior' what would your approach achieve for anyone?
@@JakobusVdL It's not about making me feel superior, it's about telling the other driver not to be a d-head. Most driving errors are minor and should be let go, but he's deliberately blocking a fast road in the hopes of persuading someone to slow down and let him in. He should have been sitting and waiting in the layby until both sides of the road were clear, but instead of waiting he decided to block the road in the hope that someone would let him in. There's no excuse for him doing what he did, so he deserved a few seconds of horn to tell him not to be a d head in future.
Fair enough@@KingHumphrey, but given you consistently call the other driver a d'head, and put yourself in the position of judging their actions as inexcusible, when really we have no idea what that drivers actual situation was.
I'm seeing a bit of a feeling of superiority and need to vent in there, and still don't see what you'd actually achieve.
It certainly wouldn't make the situation better.
Drive safe, and don't wear the horn out ;-)
@@KingHumphrey 💯 "I'm going to engineer a hazard in order to finagle my way out of waiting my turn". Many such cases
Fair. But he still had ages to react. He could see the car pulled out way before he got there. He should have still slowed down! No point in carrying on speeding, even if it's within the speed limit, when you can see an obvious obstruction just because "they shouldn't be blocking the road! I have priority! I shouldn't HAVE to slow down".
That attitude doesn't help anyone. The horn also isn't there to reprimand people either ;)
Someone who can’t spell “brake” doesn’t get to criticise other peoples lack of braking.
Sorry Ashley you haven’t made allowance that it’s in Stourport & Kidderminster, not the Mensa centre of the UK
Hi mate, I see some of the attributes being demonstrated in your videos in some of my own driving.
I've been reflecting and I am beginning to have a much calmer and stress free approach to driving and in return it is making me a safer and more sensible driver.
Thank you
With that last clip the person is almost going the wrong way round the mini roundabout.
For the first time, Ashley, I disagree with you. On the second clip the Fiat shouldn't have pulled out if it wasn't clear in both directions. However, I don't like how the cammer handled the situation, they seem very aggressive in all the clips and would probably benefit by learning some defensive driving techniques.
Yes, they made a mistake, I'm guessing they misjudged a gap in the traffic from the other direction and got stuck in that position, but from point where the video starts they are already in the road and the cammer had more than enough time to safely come to a stop and wait for the car to move.
I dont think he he's saying the car pulling out was correct, but simple better observations from the cammer meant he wouldn't have to brake hard, he could have easily slowed down gradually and more controlled if he'd read the road ahead better.
@@lawsyy1314 - I think the cammer was trying to prove a point by flying up to the Fiat then brake hard. Makes for a better clip to submit.
@@LITTLEbigREG the cammer uploaded that video to UK dashcams last week, his excuse was that there was another car behind him. Still a BS excuse for not slowing down earlier.
Yes, the fiat was in the wrong place, but how he handled it didn't improve the situation.
@@RichO1701e - I don't believe there would've been a car behind him with how he reacted to the situation.
The good old "It's a roundabout" not a "straight across" saying comes to mind with the last clip.
He's one of those who'd be shouting "I've got you on camera" but totally oblivious of his own failings. One who will accelerate towards the problem rather than to just ease off for a second or two.
Saw the first clip and I instantly said "that looks like stourport!"
Haven't lived around that area (lived in Abberley Village) for ages! Crazy how you can instantly recognize that disgusting 1 way system they have :P
Love these clips when the recorder is wrong, Keep them coming Ashley, hopefully they aren't too pig headed enough to understand and accept the criticism in the positive way you intend it.
Ah hah I thought it was Stourport. I almost got hit at that roundabout, it's an awful design.
Hi Ashley, some interesting thoughtful clips there. The mini roundabout clips are always contentious, who entered the roundabout first etc etc. One worrying trend which I see everyday on the roads, especially in our ever busy cities is the one of the car exiting the layby, who pulled across one lane even though the other wasn't clear, thereby blocking the road. I agree your dashcam driver didn't help as they didn't slow down, entirely too quick for the situation............but I think this is a very dangerous practice which I see happening more and more, and can only one day lead to horrific accidents happening, especially if done on a high speed ie National Speed Limit two way road.
This is why I fitted a dash cam to protect myself against people who drive like this, with the potential to the cause of an accident rather than preventing one.
Great video and explanations
The first roundabout even has arrows pointing in the direction your supposed to travel around it actually painted on the road around it to avoid any confusion !
The van in the first clip had right of way anyway as the cammer wasn't at the roundabout to being with.
Nothing for me to add. Ashley has explained it very well.
The first clip… I was taught that at a mini roundabout if a vehicle has already entered the circuit then he essentially has priority
welcome to Kidderminster, common place driving habits
Yep that island in last clip on the A449 is notorious for it for sure.
@@Jonc25 Folks coming down the hill, just don't like stopping. They keep going to try and stop any attempt of anyone coming out from the left. They forget to look who wants to turn right.
@@flybobbie1449 I know m8 had some bad experiences here myself, but just have to compensate for others.
@@Jonc25 Locals know the way that island works and the trouble it can cause, but most folks cope with it fine.
@@flybobbie1449 Always going to be people that are not local though and don't expect driver's to be cutting across at speed.
In the first one the van is already occupying the roundabout before the camer arrives, so the van has priority; it is approaching the camer from the right.
Spot on! Good work Ashley
I make a point of going round roundabouts and on large one’s choosing carefully where to position myself at entry, during and approaching exit, trying to signal in a way that helps. It’s a bit of an art form but if you can go for years without being hooted or causing anyone else to abruptly stop then you’re probably doing it right.
Good commentary Ashley. Be the change you want to see. I ride a motorcycle and my aim on every ride is not only to get where I'm going safely but to do so with minimal stress to me and others.
that first clip if i was the van driver i wouldn't even think the beeping was towards me
Most of the videos you see online of near misses are generally situations where a little more foresight and planning on the cammers part would make the driving experience much smoother and avoid such stresses. There would be hardly any videos online if people didn’t put their foot down and cause a near miss, or looked ahead and slowed down earlier. Driving can be so much more enjoyable when You take the aggression out. Drive safe all.
He's driving like a proper blurry vignette
The psychology is so important: drive A to B safely & without incident; don't cause any near misses, or issues with pedestrians & drivers.
Unfortunately, some have a gladiatoral view: it's a competition, a race, you have to 'beat' everyone, prove you're right, hold this bit of 'your' road at any cost!
Even if risking an accident, drivers with this attitude won't be sensible, forgiving, relaxed etc. They wonder why driving is SO tense & unenjoyable.
Just allow it, is all I say. I've done too many miles now to be bothered to get upset over anything petty
Nearly as bad as Stephen Bagwell. His dash cam footage is horrendous.
Oh god not Bagwell😂he must have a restraining order against the jag and focus driver by now
* *searches for Stephen Bagwell* *
Looked him up after this. His 1 minute video of come guy undertaking him and him proceeding to have a full on breakdown on the verge of tears is something I do NOT regret searching for.
Hahaha Bagwell and his constant beeping! I find the comment section of his clips even more entertaining.
Holy shit, just looked him up too, the guy is properly deluded!
That mini roundabout clip rather parallels a later coach crash clip as analysed by blackbeltbarraster
I would be embarrassed to send those clips in, especially on the basis that they think they are in the right.
The number of people that think these are called straight-across-abouts is mind blowing. I get it with some really small mini roundabouts, especially with larger vehicles, but that didn't seem to look like an issue for that driver to go around
It seems to be the way that as soon as people have a dashcam they get some sort of superiority complex whereby they can do no wrong. It's always the other people.
In a similar way to watching enlightening road rage videos, it is surprising how over exaggerated or excessively fast manoeuvres (I once thought probably looked good when I was a younger driver), in reality actually look very silly when viewed as a casual observer or third party.
When a vehicle is driven with care, courtesy within the applicable confines of the law; this looks far better.
Perhaps a lesson we all need to remember to consider during difficult times; simplified as an exercise in ones self control?
Your body language when driving and of course the rhythm of your voice during narration Ashley is one of relaxed, calm and mindful control, which I admire and a lot of the time find difficult to emulate consistently when traveling from A to B.
Seems to me as though he goes through life looking for trouble.
The biggest problem with mini roundabouts is the bollards obscure peoples indicators.
Totally agree with you on all the clips Ashley.
The right lane takes you over the centre of the mini roundabout
There is a mini roundabout near my house, and the amount of accidents I've had from people who are doing 40-50mph and choose to drive over it is unreal. And half the time those people choose to beep me or give me another form of aggressive gesture. It's got to the point where I just wait til is completely clear as 90-95% of road users use it as a straight away, even though there could be more then enough time for me to emerge if they actually follow the highway code.
Happens to me at least once a day. People seem to forget you give way to the right at a roundabout... is it that hard 🤦🏻♂️
He's stirring you up and you've fallen for it.
My biggest bugbear at roundabouts is people not indicating right going in or indicating left too early. I drive for a living and this really pees me off. Just gimme a clue as to what your intentions are!
Well said.
I agree with you on all of them except the numpty in the layby who planted himself in the oncoming lane and then waited until it's clear.
Correction: The transit should have waited before pulling out.
Aww I love it when a bad driver gets their arse handed too them.
Yet another collection of clips where the cammer accelerates towards dangerous situations. "I have a dash cam so it can't be my fault".
I have been watching your videos to learn and they are excellent.
I have yet to disagree on your impartial diagnosis of any incident.
The calmness in your voice is emplemary as it makes me want to replicate that state of mind.
Unfortunately the clips are typical of my every day experience as a driver clocking over 20 K miles a year.
As a backround I have been driving for over 50 years and have had 2 speeding fines for being over limit by 3 and 4 miles per hr respectively.
Keep up the good work.
There should always be an island in the roundabout, here in Slovenia I don't think I ever saw just a marked circle.
Good video! You're right when you say so many people intentionally try to cause issues where there isn't one, especially if they were to reduce their speed or look further ahead. And so few people treat mini roundabouts the same as normal roundabouts.
To be honest though, with these mini roundabouts, I can completely understand why someone wouldn't know you're not supposed to drive over them if they had never learned it, or if they learned to drive somewhere where such roundabouts didn't exist.
3:37 I think this guy got twat of the week award on uk dashcam clips for that manoeuvre 🤣
Ashley is spot on here. Here's the Hightway Code on this: "All vehicles MUST pass round the central markings except large vehicles which are physically incapable of doing so."
Urban myth used to be that you could go over it if it was flat. That is NOT what is stated in the current Code. Basically you need to go round it as much as you can reasonably (some mini roundabouts are a bit too small or badly positioned to allow you to sensibly avoid the white blob entirely even in a car, but that is the exception).
First clip Stourport High Street , most people drive pretty slowly because it is always busy. Rest around Kidderminster same storey , guy ignoring roundabouts.
Is this guy for real??? Anyway, your videos have made me think a lot more about my standard of driving, thanks.
I'll give the cammer the last clip (as long as he was indicating).
My understanding is that you can drive over a mini roundabout if you are in a larger vehicle that would have troble taking it correctly but surely you only have to give way to traffic from the right if it is already on the roundabout, I often see people sit at all the entries not sure who should go first because they have all stopped. Mini r/bouts are a bit tricky to do correctly because, also, they are so small that one cannot always do all the correct signalling in time.
Dude also can't spell the word "brake". Hopefully the dude watched this and learned something.
On the last one the cammer must go over the roundabout
3.45...that's why it is called a Roundabout not an Overabout.
That last clip of that camera driver totally disgraceful, I’ve seen many do this while cycling up to mini roundabouts it’s like hardly any driver knows they are on a roundabout
I find 99% of dash cam footage is ppl like this guy
I love how lots of these people don't even slow to approach miniroundabouts, or anywhere for that matter. See an obstruction or even POTENTIAL hazard up ahead? Slow down, anticipate. It's not rocket science.
Such single-minded approaches, the road is for everyone. You're equally looking out for others on the road as much as yourself.
Like you said, this isn't to shame the people uploading, but to make others aware of the incorrect mindset to have.
Traffic on a roundabout have right of way. The van was already on the roundabout.
1st clip looks close but the building is clearly blocking the van drivers view a bit and to be fair, the cammer wasn't even on the roundabout so give way to the vehicle on the roundabout.
This guy is a danger to the public. Great video. New subscriber.
FINALLY…someone who knows how to use a roundabout!
Roundabout: give way to the right to vehicles on the roundabout, not vehicles approaching on other roads. Van driver is correct ✅
My driving instructor never sounded this condescending in the 80s.
We've come a long way 🤣
People who think car already ON the roundabout should give way to them simply because they're driving faster are the worst. And why don't those small roundabouts have any protrusion in the middle to stop people from driving straight across.
Mini-roundabouts. Approach these in the same way as normal roundabouts. All vehicles MUST pass round the central markings except large vehicles which are physically incapable of doing so. Remember, there is less space to manoeuvre and less time to signal. Avoid making U-turns at mini-roundabouts. Beware of others doing this.
Laws RTA 1988 sect 36 & TSRGD regs 10(1) & 16(1)
Fantastic video. Some people fail to see the errors in their own driving, which in itself is very dangerous.
In my opinion, clips 1,2 and 3 could all have been avoided by just using a bit of engine braking.
Having to jam on the brakes normally means you came in a bit hot, or hadn't spotted a hazard early enough.
I disagree with your assessment of the final clip.
The approach to the mini rbout is 2 lanes, with the right lane dedicated to RH turn. However, there are not 2 clear lanes on the r'about. Yes one can argue there are 2 car widths available, but only if both cars do indeed drive "round" - ie those going straight on do not go straight. Of course on a "proper" roundabout that might be more likely to happen naturally, but even then I would suggest a majority (?) of users on a 4 point roundabout will take as straight a line as possible if going direct ahead? Therefore anyone going right has lost road space and must take it from somewhere - ie straddle the painted the section.
For 2 cars to be simultaneously on this r'bout, one them must (at least partly) straddle the painted roundel, otherwise it becomes a single file junction?
I agree cammer drove well over the r'about paint, and was in the wholly wrong position in terms of the H code telling you not to do so, but even if he had circumnavigated the paint entirely on the left of it, the red car was still pulling out across his track by the time he would have got to the 1 or 2 o'clock position and thus be T boning the red car.
I too would have beeped on that last clip. The previous ones however I agree with your assessment, nothing wrong expect cammer's own road rage.
On the last clip, There are two lanes feeding into the roundabout, but it is not marked up to take two lanes round it. The inside lane goes straight across, forcing the outside lane to cut across. Granted he should have had a little more patience, and approached with more caution.
Clip 2 is something I experience nearly everyday (albeit on a road with slower moving traffic). I have to creep out of an entrance/exit and very few anticipate and read the situation, rather just plough on through.
painted mini roundabouts are essentially designed to be driven over, all vehicles must however pass around the centre axis of the central markings unless they are too large to do so, they are therefore primarily designed to control priority/traffic flow, as long as a vehicle is (unless too large to do so) overall left of centre they are obeying the regulation/law, all other general roundabout rules still apply.
Years ago, I attended a talk from a Bedfordshire traffic police constable. His top tip was to drive defensively i.e. always assume that other road users will make mistakes. If you can drive with that thought in mind, your journey will be much calmer and safer. The mini roundabout is a classic example.
My driving instructor told me to drive assuming everyone’s trying to kill me. Because some of them are.
Yep assume everyone els can't drive and assume they are going to do something or do it incorrectly (just passed or scared of driving/can't judge distances or has a black box fitted so can't drive normally)
the only time I drive offensively is when there are parked cars on one side of a wide 2 lane road and the car coming from the other direction thinks they are driving a tank or try to force right of way (by taking up both lanes or completely on the wrong side of the road) just keep left no problems (if you don't I will drive at you to force you to keep left)
about a week ago said person lost her wing mirror because she tried to force the other car to stop by going head on onto the other side of the road, once she told me she swung wide I stopped talking to her because she sure would not like what I was thinking of going to say to her (hopefully the other car wing mirror was fine) but I really wish I had so she knows what she did wrong
The mini roundabout *last clip.
How do you correctly use it if you're going right as was the cam vehicle?
The road markings show two lanes yet at the roundabout there is clearly only one lane which forces vehicles to do exactly what the cam car did.
The deluded viewer certainly needs to alter his mindset and attitude before it is done for him.
Only thing I did notice on the clip at 3:10 regarding the van, he didn't appear to be indicating as he pulled out of the junction. Doesn't seem like anyone else mentioned that and I'm not sure why as obviously, you're supposed to indicate whether it appears obvious where you're going or not.
My understanding is that a mini-roundabout is equivalent to a solid white line, that is, you don't cross it but must go around it?
A roundabout without concrete part in the middle is UK only thing (that I've seen). In my opinion, having no obstacle is asking for this kind of driving. It's probably more expensive than some paved circular area too.
Good lord I'm glad we don't have any of those flat mini roundabouts in my area. People would do exactly this and cause so many issues.
This is the kinda driver that got a dashcam because there is too many incompetent drivers on the road in his mind.
The last clip he drove over the round about but the road didnt look wide enough for him to actually drive around it without stopping cars going straight on
Another brilliant video.
In the last clip of the mini roundabout where cammer is turning right, in fairness to him, if he had gone around the roundabout and not across it, he'd have possibly hit cars on his left as although there is 2 lanes to the roundabout, there's not 2 lanes around it, just enough room for one and the left lane looks like it takes it all. Am I seeing it wrong?
I always love the people who drive on a 30mph road at 50 then go off on people who pull out on them causing them to slow down, when if they were doing 30 no one would have been near any thing
Well done for pointing this out .