If you look at Motive Power issue 153, from Australia, they have a very good article,(part1) about the big 636's. Mt Newman employed a total of 54 of these loco's. A.E. Goodwin were the initial supplier here, but when they went broke, Comeng took up the ALCo licence here. Goodwin built 33 units, Comeng the rest. The other mining companies in the Pilbara iron mines also bought a good number of these machines. The Mt. Newman fleet was the biggest single fleet of 636's anywhere on Earth.
251's were *extremely* prevalent here. The 6 cyl straight inline version is ultra-reliable and used in NSW 48 and SA 830 class. The 12 cyl v-config version was used in lots of locos here. Still to this day. A fair number of NSW 44 and SA 930 class still run, as do a fair number of NSW 80 class, 442 class, and at least one SA 700 class. Also some NSW 45 class (and a couple of the SA 600's) used the 251. Some of the US style C630/C636's were used in the Pilbara iron ore operations but not sure if they were new build or locos dumped from rail operators in the USA. My worksite often has an Alco V12 based 80 class as a shunt unit, and plenty of the 6 cyl inline locos (which are 50 to 60 years old now) being only 80 tonne axle load get used to service some rural lines that cannot take heavy 20+ tonne axle load units.
You left out Indian Railways,and Varnasi Works! They have on the roster,over 3000 plus Alco derivative locomotives,and almost all,using the C-C wheel arrangement! Utilized in both Broad,and Narrow Guage! The engines are 251 derivatives! Some extra history! Thank you 😇 😊!
I really enjoyed your video. I've always liked trains, but mostly I was just a fan of watching them running up, and down the rails. But over the last couple years I've gotten more interested in the workings, and history of railroad locomotives. So with that said, I find your videos like this very informative.
You gotta give Alco credit. They tried really hard. Politics gave G.M. (EMD) the inside track during the war, which left Alco and Baldwin trying to play catchup. It didn't work, but they tried.
I still find C630/C636s chassis fascinating because BHP Iron Ore and some others had their Alcos rebuilt into varies of Dash-7 and Dash-8s with their unique Pilbara cab while still keeping their original Alco bogies and fuel tanks
I am surprised that you did not mention the Greek Railways that still operate both ALCOs and MLWs! There is a huge amount of great footage of them, in both passenger and cargo services! I should know, I have been traveling with them the better part of my life!
Another great documentary, Peter! It's interesting to think how things may have been different if alco had bid on and won the South African order. GE as a locomotive company may not have got off the ground until much later, if at all. Which may have given Alco the breathing room it needed to pull itself back. Although not incredibly likely given the company's track record. no pun intended.
When I was a kid, I was infatuated with Tyxo's C630 (Alcohol "Super" 630. Of course these are effectively toy trains, and don't hold a candle to even the old Athearn blue box models.
you say that there are 636's still being used in australia. i dont think so. i dont know how many are left. there is one sitting quietly in the railway museum in perth, western australia.
Author, hi bro! Can you tell me about electric locomotives for AmtraK trains? It is very interesting about the AEM 7 electric locomotive. Thank you for your work!
People like to badmouth alco locomotives of any size and arrow but many of them put in many years of service in main line and Branch lines and now museum lines. The railroad economy with drinking and without a big company to fax them alco went out of business . Forgive the grammatical errors of this stupid phone
If you look at Motive Power issue 153, from Australia, they have a very good article,(part1) about the big 636's. Mt Newman employed a total of 54 of these loco's. A.E. Goodwin were the initial supplier here, but when they went broke, Comeng took up the ALCo licence here. Goodwin built 33 units, Comeng the rest. The other mining companies in the Pilbara iron mines also bought a good number of these machines. The Mt. Newman fleet was the biggest single fleet of 636's anywhere on Earth.
251's were *extremely* prevalent here. The 6 cyl straight inline version is ultra-reliable and used in NSW 48 and SA 830 class. The 12 cyl v-config version was used in lots of locos here. Still to this day. A fair number of NSW 44 and SA 930 class still run, as do a fair number of NSW 80 class, 442 class, and at least one SA 700 class. Also some NSW 45 class (and a couple of the SA 600's) used the 251. Some of the US style C630/C636's were used in the Pilbara iron ore operations but not sure if they were new build or locos dumped from rail operators in the USA. My worksite often has an Alco V12 based 80 class as a shunt unit, and plenty of the 6 cyl inline locos (which are 50 to 60 years old now) being only 80 tonne axle load get used to service some rural lines that cannot take heavy 20+ tonne axle load units.
Your videos on ALCO are particularly interesting. I didn't know very much about the company until I started watching your videos.
I'm glad you like them!
Thank You!
Aluminum wire was a lesson yet to be learned.
Yes great video. I love those Alco/MLW Centuries , both four and six axle units.
You left out Indian Railways,and Varnasi Works! They have on the roster,over 3000 plus Alco derivative locomotives,and almost all,using the C-C wheel arrangement! Utilized in both Broad,and Narrow Guage! The engines are 251 derivatives! Some extra history! Thank you 😇 😊!
Another great piece of history.
I really enjoyed your video. I've always liked trains, but mostly I was just a fan of watching them running up, and down the rails. But over the last couple years I've gotten more interested in the workings, and history of railroad locomotives. So with that said, I find your videos like this very informative.
You gotta give Alco credit. They tried really hard. Politics gave G.M. (EMD) the inside track during the war, which left Alco and Baldwin trying to play catchup. It didn't work, but they tried.
Both the Alco C630 & C636 locomotives look good in the Penn Central Livery.
I still find C630/C636s chassis fascinating because BHP Iron Ore and some others had their Alcos rebuilt into varies of Dash-7 and Dash-8s with their unique Pilbara cab while still keeping their original Alco bogies and fuel tanks
I am surprised that you did not mention the Greek Railways that still operate both ALCOs and MLWs! There is a huge amount of great footage of them, in both passenger and cargo services! I should know, I have been traveling with them the better part of my life!
Another great documentary, Peter! It's interesting to think how things may have been different if alco had bid on and won the South African order. GE as a locomotive company may not have got off the ground until much later, if at all. Which may have given Alco the breathing room it needed to pull itself back. Although not incredibly likely given the company's track record. no pun intended.
great video on my heavy smoking lovely alco s again sir
Please keep making videos. I know you do a lot about locomotives, but do you think you’d explore into company histories?
When I was a kid, I was infatuated with Tyxo's C630 (Alcohol "Super" 630. Of course these are effectively toy trains, and don't hold a candle to even the old Athearn blue box models.
ALCO, the company that just couldn't see the future...
The Illinois Central Railroad bought six C636's in the late 60's and by the early 80's they were all gone
Ya I was up in the cab of 1100 when I was a kid always did love that sound
Ya when I was a kid I was up in the cab of 1100 for awhile always loved that sound
@@MarkPeters-p8e I heard that the 1100's were notorious for constantly breaking down
Politics plays a big role in the railroad industry
you say that there are 636's still being used in australia. i dont think so. i dont know how many are left. there is one sitting quietly in the railway museum in perth, western australia.
A video about nf210s in the future ?
Author, hi bro! Can you tell me about electric locomotives for AmtraK trains? It is very interesting about the AEM 7 electric locomotive. Thank you for your work!
They had bad electrical spine harnesses.
Was the M420 better than the C36?
Does anyone know the BSFC on the 251 Alco? I always hear it is more efficient than a 567 but do we have figures?
I found it. .38 for EMD, .33 for Alco. About 17% less fuel.
People like to badmouth alco locomotives of any size and arrow but many of them put in many years of service in main line and Branch lines and now museum lines. The railroad economy with drinking and without a big company to fax them alco went out of business
. Forgive the grammatical errors of this stupid phone