Making Fatal Frame: PS2's Only 'Successful' Japanese Horror Game | Crimson Butterfly | The Tormented
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ก.ค. 2024
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Exploring the history and creation of the Fatal Frame / Project Zero series, and the lives of the people who created it.
TGM is a horror game analysis channel with a heavy focus on Silent Hill, & other Japanese horror games.
00:00 Intro
11:48 Before Frame
26:25 Developing the Concept
35:00 The Heroine
42:44 Sound Design
1:04:23 Fatal Frame 2
1:16:00 Re-designing the Concept
1:29:21 Promotions & Strange Events
1:38:00 Fatal Frame 3
1:56:44 Closing
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I think Fatal Frame is SO underrated as not many people seemed to talk about it. The franchise is pretty nuanced with its Japanese mythology & gameplay that creates intense horrific atmosphere.
With the fusion of Koei and Tecmo, the series was hit hard. Project Zero/Fatal Frame was heavily pushed on Xbox systems, yet, none of the games were ever available in Microsofts big Backwards-Compatible programme. On the Wii and Wii U, the series went completely in a Gimmick direction. Now Koei Tecmo is selling the old games again at a full price, to be fair, with optimization and the bonus that Mask of the Lunar Eclipse was never officially released in the West. But it really seems like they will go downward the Remaster route and it will get harder to sell the next 3 games individually at a full price. Hard to say if they are working on a complete new game. But that's still more than we got in the past 10 years from Silent Hill.
If only many Western players can play the original trilogy with original Japanese voices rather than the English dub only without Roms...and emulators...
Yeah it's good but not as everyone expected it to be like I guess if you want people to bring it back up then fine that's cool and okay but don't act like no one has ever played the game before because many have upon end.......
Agreed.
It's been all over tiktok for a month now. Ppl are starting to appreciate it a lot, whether they play it or not.
What I Like About Fatal Frame 3 and Silent Hill 4 (The Black Sheep Games*) Is you're at your place, your home, your safe haven, then after time, your home becomes haunted, so you're no longer safe...😱
Yeah and FF3 does it better actually. Also impossible to emulate in cinema since you have no agency to spend time in a place that you feel as YOURS, truly a game only narrative device.
Unironically, the way they depict the ghosts, and how the environment is influenced by the ghosts, and the just the eerie, haunted feeling the games in general do give me a deep sense of happiness and belonging; it certainly feels like the ghosts are authentic, because they are deeply relatable.
Thanks for sharing 2 hours full of the franchise behind the scenes. Hope you could do similar show for the Twilight Syndrome series, Yuuyami Doori Tankentai, and the Clock Tower series.
Also a review for Rule of Rose😂
thank you so much for the deep research and effort, this channel is becoming the best one on youtube for horror games. The first three fatal frames are very well-aged.
Fatal Frame 2 was scary. It was a frightening Japanese horror! I hope a remastered/remake /re-release is brought to modern consoles.
Fatal Frame 2 already had a remake on the Wii... only released in Europe outside Japan... Also If only many Western players can play the original trilogy with original Japanese voices rather than the English dub only without Roms...and emulators...
I was hoping for that since the PS3 era
Lmao, the young girl laughing in the middle of the corpses was my MySpace background profile layout for awhile😅
I'm proud to say that the trilogy was at its peak!
The amount of research you put into your projects is always so impressive and enlightening for players in the West who are not used to having easy access to this kind of information. Ty for shining a light on all these dark yet wonderful titles!
Fatal frame 3 is my favorite horror game of all time. So many fond memories playing with my sister. We got so spooked once we threw the controller in the air XD
Thanks for taking the time to be here with us, was really fun!
As promised, you delivered a video on the game people voted the most on the last survey. Thanks and awesome work
gaming muse videos are always a treat when they are in my recommended.
Honestly, I was hoping to see this trilogy announced in the last Nintendo Direct to go with 4 and 5.
Gets weirder when the Gex trilogy and the original Clock Tower were announced for modern consoles this morning.
Can’t forget that the previous direct showed MGS volume 1 collection heading to switch. So yeah, agreed. it’s weird that a FF/PZ trilogy wasn’t announced at the previous direct.
I’m sure KT/Tecmo must have plans to bring the FF/PZ trilogy at some point, though perhaps we’ll likely see FF2 Wii edition head to modern platforms before we hear anything about a remaster collection port for current gen consoles.
@@maroXUprising I mean, I don't know if the original trilogy just has some weirs licensing issues due to being on the Playstation originally, but as you mentioned, there was a Wii port of 2.
Nintendo clearly wants to Mandela Effect that Fatal Frame has always been theirs, so I don't know why they aren't getting the lead out.
Kind of like how Chrono Cross definitive edition has been on the Switch for a couple years, but therr have scarcely been rumors of so much as a Chrono Crusade port even for Switch Online.
@@maroXUprising And as you mentioned, it'a an MGS vol 1... which suggests that they plan for a vol 2, combined with the fact that it felt like a third of the games in the last direct were planned for 2024, so who knows how long the Switch has to expand its library.
@@tomforge614 Not sure if Nintendo has this mandela effect of which you speak.
It’s clear though that Nintendo did not see any level of success in co-owning an IP like FF if it doesn’t reach decent enough sales to begin with to where they would heavily market those games…compared to the likes of Bayonetta 2+3 where Nintendo cared enough to fund the Bayonetta IP with Sega to bring us 2 & 3. In which both games resulted in good sales and good marketing behind them.
Unfortunately I have not played the recent re-release of FFIV & V….
I’m curious though if KT has regained full control of the FF IP since FFIV & FFV were able to release in multiple platforms.
Yeah I Never heard of any rumors about a chrono crusade port heading to NSO.
So that’s interesting to know.
As for how long does the switch have going for to expand its library.
Well, It’s only a matter of time. Sure, 2024 seems to have several games heading to switch as mentioned.
I do think the next generation Nintendo console will probably be teased by the end of 2024.
@@maroXUprising By Mandela effect, I was simply referring to how the original trilogy was on PS2, so you would figure Nintendo would have been more aggressive on re-releases their own consoles to try to disassociate Fatal Frame from the PS2.
This was a great video! It's really interesting hearing about all the effort and thought that went into making this series.
I finally got a chance to watch this! (It's getting me through a slow day at work) A few things you mentioned about FF3 I wasn't aware of, particularly the stuff about the cat (which is hilarious) and the reason for being able to leave the mansion when you want being a method to navigate the game's difficulty.
Great video, Muse!
Very amazing video ❤ please do more like this for horror games
You've put so much work into this. Super impressive video.💗👍
you just game me nostalgia for Deception, I remember played 2 and 3 on the ps1, it was frustrating to experiment extensively on layouts to maximize damage, but when all clicked into place it was awesome
I’ve been waiting for this! It’s gonna be a good watch. Thank you 🙏
Amazing video on the Fatal Frame series, I always replay the first 3 games during October every year. :D
Fatal Frame II/Project Zero II will always be my favorite in the series! It was scary, but I found myself getting more & more fascinated by the exploration and the sounds and the lore of "The Lost Village" and the dynamic of twin sisters Mio & Mayu. This franchise is the most underrated in the survival horror genre. Hopefully, we will see a remastered trilogy/bundle of the original 3 games. Please Koei Tecmo? And thanks for uploading this Muse! 🙏🏻👏🏻
Good for you sadly If only many Western players can play the original trilogy with original Japanese voices rather than the English dub only without Roms...and emulators...
Japanese games in a Japanese setting with only English dubs available make so much sense...
In real life Japanese people are speaking perfect English...yeah.
Definitely hope to see Kenji Eno's D done next. I rented an entire Sega Saturn from Blockbuster just to play it when it came out. And the first time I beat it, I didn't realize that there had been a timer going the entire time - I was about 3 minutes away from the limit. Scary even at the end!
You killed it with this video 🥰🥰🥰
What a fantastic video, can't wait for more ❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥
Thank you for your effort, what a great analysis!
So I'm listening to this while doing dishes. My wife and I are getting all of our stuff out of our apartment to be ready to close on our first house tomorrow. At just about the 1:02:00 mark, I just felt a gust of wind and flash of white like someone ran to my side quickly. Assuming this was my wife, I turned my head to see an empty corner. My wife is is currently on a zoom with her boss, on the opposite end of our apartment.
Spppooooooookkyyyyyy!
Didn't use enough febreeze!
I love your deep dives so much!
Great series!
Incredible video as always, muse! congrats! I'd love to see something like this about the original Clock tower. I met the creator hifumi kohno in a trip to japan and he is the sweetets guy. I can ask him for an interview if you want. Regarding the series you suggest at the end of the video, my favorite would be kenji eno's. take care!
Project Zero 2 kickstarted my love for horror, hands down. Before I played it,I hadn't ever been interested in horror before bc my only experience with it had been gore films. It was so wonderful to learn more about some of my favourite game, thank you for this video. I can't help but wonder if failing to release in South Korea was part of the reason they decided to make the next game Japan only... Suffice to say the last one I played was The Tormented.
As for your next video, I'm equally curious about SMT and Devil May Cry!
Amazing vid, I wish there were more games like Fatal Frame
Muse, your work is far more professional than most documentaries. Editing, script, music, and pacing is all top notch. I dearly hope that the industry notices you very soon and hires you for more horror/psychological thriller projects.
This series is still one of the best I have ever played.
First than anything, thanks for the hard work put on this. Now, talking about the games, I'm glad they changed some aspects for the final releases of the titles, like the idea of the first game being completely in black and white or the longer introduction involving the car drive with Miku sleeping, that sounds a little bit similar to the opening of Silent Hill. In regards to the second game, isn't Sae the (true), final boss? Because, the Kusabi is the final boss only on normal or lower difficulties but on hard or nightmare is Sae the last enemy and another ending is shown instead of the Crimson Butterfly ending.
Personally, while I like all the games on the franchise, my favorite to this day its still the first one, I don't know but the premise, the story, the atmosphere, the gameplay (harder than the sequels), the design of the ghost and even the length of the game (shorter than the successors), matched more with my tastes.
By the way, it's kinda funny that the Japanese people see their own houses like creepy and eerie. I thought that I saw them like that, because, I'm foreign to that architecture but now I know they, themselves, perceive the same thing.
Fantastic video about one of my favorite game franchises. I can't believe people complained about the ending of 2 being lackluster. I have never cried harder from a video game! It was so beautiful and so deeply sad.
I love all the games in the franchise but the first one will always be my favourite. It's hard to explain, but there is something pure in it. It's a case of beautiful imperfection. It doesn't feel like a crafted product like the other games that followed due to its success. while playing you always have this feeling of "something doesnt feel right " but you just can't explain it. My first playthrough was something ill never forget. And how the story picked up during the end was just so beautifully wrapped up and mystical.
This is James Barrow all the fatal frame games needs a remaster for PS4 and Xbox one PS5 and Xbox series x
Ahhhh my very first brush with the Fatal Frame series. I could never finish it as a kid but i managed to finish it years later as an adult. The ending has for some reason been sort of blocked in my memories so it may be time to revisit All Gods Village soon and remember why Kusabi is still a word etched into my mind
This video is really a masterpiece. Thank you.
I really wish they would make a Fatal Frame Trilogy on modern consoles. :( Idk who owns the rights now.
Same. I bought the latest release to US (and played it) hoping that the numbers will encourage them to release the others and/or create a new game.
@@Marichainz Right? Especially since the pre order for Maiden of Black Water was that you can dress up the characters as the main characters from the 3 games. It’s like, why must you tease us so??? T^T
Koei Tecmo owns the rights. That was made clear as water when they released Maiden of the Black Water and Mask of the Lunar Eclipse on all modern platforms under the sun without any mention of Nintendo in the intro logos or credits. I have them both on PS4 and PC.
The original trilogy never even released on Nintendo systems, so it's only matter of Koei seeing if it's profittable to re-release them.
Funnily enough, back then both games were the only ones that kept my interest for a Wii and a Wii U, now I can forget about them.
58:00 something similar happened to me when I was a child, I guess a ghost gives up once it realizes you aren't scared anymore
I remember when the American version of The Ring came out, I hadn't and still haven't seen anything that scared me more. I still have nightmares about it. It was the psychological horror, just the tape alone and that sound it made when it played, gives me goosebumps. Unfortunately I saw Ringu after so it wasn't as scary but the story explained more, maybe that's why it didn't scare me as much their was more mystery in the American version. Either way, I don't do little girls with hair in their face lol.
Eagerly anticipating a later reveal explaining why you have Echo Night footage 😋
EDIT: Oh, that's officially my vote! The Echo Night series.
I'm a big baby so I can't play horror games. I tried one of the Fatal Frame games, I can't remember which, in high school and lasted maybe an hour before I had to turn it off. It scared the crap out of me! Those damn ghosts getting in your face, being forced to hold them in frame as they get closer and closer, and the chilling sound design got under my skin quick. I brought it back early to the video rental store. Luckily my cousin was the manager and she let me pick out something different for free. She was like, "oh no, is there wrong with the disc?" I was like, "oh, yeah the disc is fine, it's what's on it that's cursed!"
On average, Fatal Frame might be my favorite series and the first ranks among my absolute favorite games. I do think it'd be interesting to learn more about Kei in 3 and how they came to justify his mechanical direction because honestly, he seems like he was designed more for a stealth game than for Fatal Frame's fundamental "stand your ground and fight" combat philosophy.
Literally found and bought a physical copy of this game today! Can't wait to try it out!
I usually skip watching such long videos, but you covered my favorite horror series, and I also love the way you narrate and sprinkle in photos of the development, stories and epilogues of the people involved. Your work is stellar as always and those were 2 hours well spent. As for a next series for you to cover, I haven't heard of Eno Kenji's D or Echo Night, so I'd prefer to watch something I'm not familiar with. Keep up the great work!
I wish we had more eastern-style horror games like Fatal Frame or Kuon.
Your voice sounds good!
49:32 I’m honestly glad this scene was cut. I remember reading a document file in game that mentioned the head and limbs were “strangled off”. And I thought to myself “how would that work? How would you strangle someone’s neck and limbs so tight that they would detach from the body”.
Not seeing the ritual in full and imagining what it would look like and even feel like was a way better scare then what they could show.
If its the rope ritual it could be very VERY possible if its strong or very thick rope and has enough force to pull. Medieval era had a similar method in a torture device known as a stretching rack. There was also a similar practice done as a form of execution involving ropes around the limbs and horses galloping off in different directions
I love the atmosphere when playing Crimson Butterfly and I love the story of the Tormented
The first Fatal Frame was one of the first games I got for my OG Xbox, such a great series
Holy shit, 2 hours of Fatal Frame!? Let's fucking go.
Speaking of weird paranormal happenings, my friends and I in middle school created a oujia board out of cardboard to play with...We got ahold of a particularly funny/sarcastic teen boy who eventually said he wanted one of the girls at the table. When asked why..."Because she's fun sized." Nothing bad happened, just a funny story to share. 😂
I have literally listened to you all day,so I feel confident in saying this statement .... I could listen to you talk about occult themed subjects all day dude !
Hope Rei Kurosawa comes back in a future game she needs more luv
Love these games
Amazing video muse!! I enjoyed it very much, there is so much depth and value to the research you do. Keep up the great work!
Shin Megami Tensei next?
Muse I loved minute 1:54:22 when you and your cat are together 🙂🙂🐈⬛ 🐈⬛❤❤
I enjoy your videos I first found your channel about a year ago and loved your deconstruction of Silent Hill. It made me appreciate it so much more. Fatal Frame was a game I encouraged my friend to rent when I slept over. It was like 15 years later he told me he really liked it.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Shibata Makoto was the one who schemed those footsteps, voices and other oddities in their workplace
Such a great series
This is James Barrow they're needs to remaster fatal frame fatal frame 2 and fatal frame 3
it feels like the spirits are telling Shibata how to make a scary game, it's just like yeah we scary make a banger game bro
eno kenji's D next please. i would love to see it.
I completed three times 😅 . I still didn't play the second one but it's in the list
The best of all horror games 💯
I always thought Fatal Frame 3 was the best in the series. I know 2 gets a lot of love but the manor of sleep always felt like the perfect mix of new and old content. And I especially loved the characters of 3. Having a group of adults was a welcome change for me. And having all 3 of the playable characters to have connections lore-wise made it all the sweeter! Great video!
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Watching again so I can keep giggling at "kikuchi"
Didn't Tenchu replicated well Japanese architecture months before even Deception 2 came out?
Perfect documentary for a summer evening and some japanese whiskey (〃´ω`〃)
Oooh, the massive lore of Shin Megami Tensei with the Muse's voice and insight? Yes please, plenty of that.
I'd love to see a video about any of the games listed, but SMT is my vote for next!
1:00:40 Little young old me was just hoping for that to be the case back then but nah it sucks that they really had to do that cringy thing just to sell a game... Unfortnate.
😔🙏🏾 may the algorithm bless this video
Echo Night!
I definitely wish this had a time code to skip to for anyone who saw the first episode of this series. A lot of this is the same
i remember a chick i dated online talking to me about this game... i've never played it but i imagine it's a helluva trip
Okay 2:44 - ITS NOT SHINTOISM IT'S SHINTO. There's no -ism at the end, it's a mistranslation. Shinto is the correct name, adding -ism to it is incorrect. Sorry if I came off a bit aggressive about that, but our history teacher beat that into us since the beginning of highschool.
Thanks for the info, I had never heard that.
@@thegamingmuse No worries! It's a typical mistake in the west...! Technically, Taoism and Shintoism are incorrect terms, instead being Tao and Shinto. Buddhism is the one folks generally agree is correct, and the assumption is that that's where the mistake comes from. Since that one has an -ism, and the other two are of similar cultures, they must also have an -ism. Any practitioner of those two beliefs however would point out it's wrong and just a misconception of the west, as Tao and Shinto are belief systems, not religions by any official categorization - they do not have any religious texts, only guidelines on co-living with nature and one another. Also no one spiritual authority - they don't have a Pope like or Christ-like figure (that's why Buddhism gets the -ism, Buddha is their main holy figure, Shinto and Tao are about the natural cycles of life and death, spirituality, respect towards your ancestors, and balance between man and nature.)
Sorry for the nerd-out, just yeah, knowing that it's an honest mistake, I feel like I coulda explained the point better! I studied this stuff back in highschool (as our history teacher saw that a lot of folk beliefs and religions shaped the countries he spoke of.) and in Uni I studied Japanese language, culture and history, so I got irked hearing it said wrong >
Amazing video by the way, I love it so far despite the one complaint!
Would love a FF/13 ghosts mashup 😱
That's it gang. I'm totally sharing this on threads lol
I hate that i cant watch much of this cuz this is one of the few old horror series' im straight up refusing to watch until i can actually *play* them for myself. Hopefully liking the vid wont give too much more kf the series in my recommendeds
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Muse thank for not being autistic and helping me sleep
i am biased but I'm voting for D
i love this video, but just to let you know, it’s pronounced particularly not paticuraly.
DMC!
I like the ps2 fatal frame games... I like the setting, and the japanese antique rooms... but I never really liked the main characters designs... like, they look like characters out from a Dead or Alive game or something lol
If only many Western players can play the original trilogy with original Japanese voices rather than the English dub only without Roms...and emulators...
After finding out that the very first game was a lie to some truth put to it I still liked it's little fantasy it endured but everything else is just meh when you compare it to the latest if not new original games in Japanese.
The official Japanese versions of these three games in english if not the watered down americanized version of Fatal Frame are way better than they ever were unfortunately.
I mean I had just always wondered why they hade made more games if not remake some games that were literally the same if not rewritten with new stuff in it but have the same names??? That's tragic but I'm just glad that it got redone for the better if not to save the series.
The only horror games (including Forbidden Siren) that are scarier than Silent Hill
The "only" successful Japanese horror game?!
Are you drunk?
I think she means the theme of "Japanese Horror" Because obviously RE is still really successful and the 2 first SH were also successful.
@@iSaggitariusYT The first *four* SH's, which were Japanese, were immensely successfull
@@Stigmatix666 Third and fourth were not successful in it's time. Granted, The Room is a Japanese Horror Story with US people on top. I know the developers are Japanese. It's the style I'm talking about. FF are pure japanese. The others are Japanese developed but have western settings. Even RE didn't have japanese acting until Revelations 2. But I get it, the title is wrongly written. It should be specific about the japanese setting.
Project Zero 2 ghost speed was garbage boring, never a threat, and the camera change still annoys me to this day.... I'll die on this hill!
Honestly of the three, I find the 1st and the 3rd more enjoyable, but 2 definitely has its moments. I'd love to play the Japan only 2 remake, it would be interesting to see what they updated/changed in the newer version.
uh resident evil games? silent hill games?
As someone who has heavily researched them all, FF was mpre financially successful than SH2 thru 4. And RE4, to me personally, isnt a pure horror exp like FF and SH so it appeals far more broadly and is guaranteed to be better off financially anyway. In pure horror, FF sold well, and wasnt overly expensive to make. That is not the case w SH.
im just here to say that fatal frame 3 is better than 2 and i dont know why people cant see this
Only? No. First? No. They weren't even a pioneer of new horror at the time, they were the first to access more historical Japanese nuance in their games instead of the constant western implications or usages. I do notice you used primes to imply what a quotation would, which is fine. I'm being an ass I know. But I watched your video and I didn't see any implications specifying that intention. So I'm just assuming you're leaving out everything *before* December 2001. They had over a year to create games, and Silent Hill 2 was one of them. While not received well at the time, it's extremely successful now, as not just a port and remake, but sought after intensely as the original copies. For the PS2. Released in September. So no, this is not the only 'successful' PS2 horror game. This is the first successful Japanese environment horror game for the PS2.
Come, flaming angry netizens. I only made this remark because while ' -- ' This was used, it wasn't addressed.
Took the words right out of my mouth. Practically click baited.