Is the New Chevy Suburban Better or Worse Than the Old One? Let's Find Out!
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Nissan ad? Seriously???
I had to double check and make sure I was signed into TH-cam as I thought my Premium subscription was broken.
@@oidirk same here. I was like "What the ...".
@@oidirk I got a Kia ad, and mines still in the shop with a blown motor 🙄
I was thinking the same thing!
@@tayaria7280 you need to change to oil on time.
Hands down,no question, that early 2000s generation of Suburban is and continues to be the best they have put out. Comfort, reliability, capacity, capability, ride, low cost of ownership. New is not always better and this is a great example.
My 2001 yukon xl has 360,000 miles and still running
Expensive soccer mom vehicle
@@nick1718 I don't see anything wrong with buying a new car or truck. Prices are still ridiculous especially after covid as we continue to deal with price gouging on everything.
@@brokernicksassi there will always be people who have to hate on people doing what they want.
@@brokernicksassi Prices on cars have always been the same even way before covid.
I like how he wasn’t completely against the new truck from the get go and heard it out for what it had to offer but still brought up some very valid points in the end
We've been working in taji camp in baghdad I mean the suburban was heavily armed with armored steel more than 10mm thick with armored glass and we had to remove all that more than 1500 lb of glass and iron and the ls 5300 engine was going strong, it was 2013 but in the hot and dusty bumpy baghdad that was an achievement.
He was hands down, one of your best guests on the show. Great energy & sense of humor.
''80's Suburbans rock. Nice vinyl bench seats and diesel engines could be had! Still remember the stickers on the ones the USAF bought. $30K new in '85. Translates to $60K nowadays, which they are.
David is such a voice of reason here.
“It’s 86k?”
“It has so much more complexity…why?”
“It’s less useful”
“Ground clearance is 6”
“I have 10 more gallons in the tank and I get the same mileage as you”
True
He says what any regular wage earning person says about a new car that expensive... "I would never do that with this truck if it was mine" about basically anything lol
More car reviews need to be done like this with cars they already own and why they kept them. Maybe the auto manufacturers would pay attention when they are comparing to brand new models.
@@jkeelsnc Between CAFE, CARB, focus groups, and new owner surveys, not sure it would matter.
The manufacturers only care what drives a sale, and they prioritize conquest sales over returning. Many folks like David (and me) are buying used anyway.
I want to be fair about the ground clearance thing. When you have independent rear suspension the amount that each wheel can travel vertically is much greater. They often make the suspensions now with much greater travel ( even though it doesn't look like it, they do). It makes them much better off road. I think if they pulled out some really good tests of this, you would see that. And in the test that they did, I felt the new one wasn't even truly tested.
That older era of seats was my favorite. And that window regulator is about 50 dollars and 25 minutes to fix.
The GMT-400 seats were better, but that generation GMT-800 is still vastly superior to the hard (uncomfortable) seats in the current models.
I like the 92 thru 99 best.
@@jreyman 400 seats are way worse than 800 seats
I agree the older burb seats were much softer and far more comfortable on long drives then hard seats in many modern trucks. Supposedly the 22-23 models have a little softer seats but would need to set in one to verify.
My 02 Silverado has the cushiest of seats still at 164k. made when a truck was a truck not by a company that you to replace not repair. That's the soul reason they make everything hard to fix reach and get to that last piece to remove, they want you to either bring it to them to fix it while constantly telling you (scaring you) into buying a new model. For RL example my dad has a new vet c-7 model it cost 2k for a set of head light bezels that you have to to the dealership to get installed.
With the 2001 Suburban, it definitely makes more financial sense to just fix or replace whatever breaks on it rather than buy a brand new one. I have an '01 Yukon and I'll be keeping it for as long as I can get parts for it. It's paid for.
My dads 02 envoy chugs along like a champ with 194k miles. Just a real bad suspension issue but it still handles and drives perfect
You’re a smart man. I’m driving a 98 GMC Sierra. It’s a solid truck. Four wheel drive works. I keep it on the road and use 4x4 conservatively. A 5.3 to 5.7 would be nice
You need a lot of disposable income to buy a new one. I take home 6k per month and just have my house and my utilities which add up to around $2700 and I wouldn't even be close to buying a new one even though I could probably get approved for it. I'd rather pay my house off quicker. I did pick up a low miles Dodge Challenger SRT8 a few months ago which interrupted that but I'll keep my 05 Suburban until it gets too rusty and then get another used one for 10k and that should last me 10 years or so up in New England. The new ones are for people that make 150k and up if you have kids or married with kids and you probably won't get away without spending similar money on the wife mobile.
Better used than new too expensive and not worth the time or money
i have an 03 Denali XL and it’s still a beast and has pretty much every feature any new SUV has, plus no DOD/AFM crap
We had an 80 Suburban. My dad bought it used in 1991 and it still ran like a champ. We were a big family, seven siblings and we all rode comfortably with the three rows of seats. It was white with a blue interior and it had the tailgate with a hand crank to lower the glass. We loved big Bertha!
Did you guys really place a Nissan ad in the beginning of your video?
Yes…I’m really confused. They used to avoid taking money to be independent. I remember them talking about paying for their own flights etc. Now it makes me wonder how honest their Nissan reviews are. 🤔
Most TH-camrs say this video includes a paid advertisement which I usually skip over especially since they run the same ad for multiple videos. But this starts off with an ad from a different manufacturer without any indication that they are getting paid for it. I pay for ad free so TH-cam is getting my money. This is a thumbs down 👎🏻 video.
I didn't know that they get to pick, I think Google does
@@aflacemery they can pick there sponsees in the actual video they make but not the advertisements that play from Google during the cut in ad spots while the video is playing. With TH-cam premium $11.99 a month you don’t see any of Googles ads. More time for watching videos.
@@nevea2be go cry in your mom’s basement
As an owner of a 2004 Yukon. The GMT800 series of truck will forever be on the road! The power train is dead reliable, it can haul anything and everything. Plus, it’s so comfy!
The nice thing about them are parts are dirt cheap, simple to work on. Cons are rust
@@mph5896 that damn salt😭
Yep love my 04 yukon you can drive them any and every where
Ooooh the comfort! The seats! Never any issues... cloth seats I'm referring to.
Those 20+ year old cloth seats are still more comfortable than anything the new cars have
Honestly, I am with Dave. Yea, the cabin on the new rig is awesome! But the increased complexity coupled with the high depreciation are a double whammy, imo.
Incidentally, I have the same tires on mine as Dave uses. Rain, mud, snow, dry road - they are awesome. They don't look badass, but if you want to go - they are solid.
My 99 gmc Sierra 2500 with a 6 litre did very well.
The GMT800 chassis will always be superior to anything else GM puts out between the silverado, tahoe, and suburban. My first vehicle was a 2003 suburban 2500. Had 65k on the clock with vortec 6.0 under the hood when I got it. It's amazing how many high school students can cram into one(the passenger capacity is just a recommendation lol)
The rust situation on the GMT800 kinda sucks, but I say to people with that problem, suck it up and get it fixed before it's too late. It's worth the money, trust me.
Purchased an 05 Suburban Z71 with 350K miles, runs and drives excellent bought from up north with minimal rust on front bumper from where someone dinged it, frame and body is good. Also bought an 07 Yukon 4x4 from up north also with no rust and it has 230K miles. I do not believe the new ones will last this long. Transmissions and rear ends goes out at 100K, AFM destroying engines and they got the nerve to charge high prices for junk.
@@Wicked_RotF30sad news, the 2007 and later Gm trucks all use afm cylinder deactivation. My grandpa and uncle own a 2011 and 2015 with 250k miles and my grandpa's has only 30k. Both still run excellent tho
That new one is nicer in every way but comfortability. Those plush seats in that old model are to die for.
Captain seats
They make you buy the high level Cadillac to get the really good seats.
@@LucasLeCompteMusic even the Cadillac Escalade doesn’t compare to the old seats . Sure the new seats hug you and have heat but you can’t beat the old seats . You slid around if you went quickly around corners but they were like sitting on a couch .
You are obviously not old enough to grow up with the old one. The quality is not comparable at all.
@@SURENITY I was born before the old one came out. Nice try buddy
I agree with David on this one, I own both old & new, the new is nice with all it's comforts but the old is so much less complicated & cheaper to own & operate. My new sits under the porch while I'm driving the old.
The main reason is the ice will die and pretty soon : Rivian & GMC Hummer EV, Ford F150 e-Lightning, Chevy Silverado EV will be the new benchmarks ..
Doesn't entirely make sense to me... why spend the $70,000+ on the new one if you ultimately love the old one and continue to drive it more often?
Why not sell your new truck then?
@@KalleSWBeck because I don't want to nor do I have to.
@@poplaurentiu4148 it will die because the government is forcing us to abandon everything car lovers love
My dad said the best vehicle he ever had was a 94 Suburban. Two tone blue and silver. Peeling paint and original everything. Ran strong until it got hit in 2015 by an old ford bronco. 380k on the clock. It ran between North Carolina and West Virginia so many times for us 6 kids. I miss it. We rob parts off of it for my brothers 96 Silverado. You couldn’t ask for better. When GM meant something to people.
Thats almost a sin...being hit by a Bronco...Bronco had some good years/ but it dont equal the Suburban name....lineage.
Just found my holy grail. 96 Tahoe. One owner Arizona car with 155k pavement princess. Looking forward to a beautiful SUV experience.
300k on a 4Lslippy is quite impressive I must admit. And that rig is spotless
4Lslippy😂
I bought my 2001 Suburban LT in 2007 with 93000 miles on it. It now has 333000 miles and I drive every day to keep the miles off my 2013 GMC Yukon XL which I save for long out of town trips. I enjoy driving both and in all honesty prefer the 2001 for around my home area!
Hes got a point, 65 grand for a new Suburban, while nice, but the 01 would just need a rebuilt 5.3 and Trans for maybe 7-8k and its good to go for another 20yrs.
I have a 2000 that I just put a new engine in @ 220k and it has a newer Trans (has about 80k on that and the engine had 130k when I put that in a year ago)
Hell less 7k try 1500 🤣 just grab another used 5.3 or
6.0. Or 6.2 for 2500
My dad had a 1999 Suburban that he parked w/ 498k miles. Then he jumped into a 2003 2500 w/ 6.0 (originally a U.P.R.R. fleet vehicle). I still drive that one today w/ 340k miles. No lights on the dash.
I recently bought a 2022 Suburban Z71 w/ the 6.2. I love everything about every Suburban I've ever been in.
I have my dads 77 Chev pickup straight 6 3 speed. 1.2 million miles and still going strong.
You love buying an expensive piece of crap ok 😂
the 6.0 on my 03 GMC pickup went for 602k miles before i retired it. I now have a 2019 Chevy pickup with the same 6.0 and I'm at 190k and have yet to give me any issues. I would put those old school GM truck V8s against any Toyota and would bet they would last just as long and be just as reliable.
The GMT800s were a hit from the beginning and it's no wonder people love them to death. Roomy, comfy and fairly easy to work on. The Denali is my favorite version and the thick leather seats are like eye candy. It feels good to just drive and kill some miles.
For some perspective - A 20 year old, well used (but loved) truck with 300,000 miles is getting better real world fuel mileage than a brand new state of the art truck with virtually no miles on it. I will take the GMT800 any day even with the miles.
The 2023 Suburban High Country in Silver Sage metallic, like seen here is superior by every metric. The technology of the 6.2 liter V8 or the 3.0 Duramax diesel well developed, as is the GM Hydramatic 10 speed automatic transmission. There's simply no comparison with the older ones.
@@MarinCipollina interior is inferior in every single way. The engine tech is advanced, but reliability took a huge hit. I say this as an owner of a 2016.
Chevy has a poor track record with transmissions lately. A suburban is based off a pick up, and to have independent suspension with air shocks won't hold up anywhere near as long as a solid rear axle with springs. All that technology, and it gets worse mpg with a smaller tank and 200 miles less range. That's a big failure GM. Nice whiff. This new suburban was built as a posh grocery getter, not the off road vehicle that took a boy scout troop through nature back in the day.
There's no way that 2001 Tahoe is getting 19 mpg on the highway
@@RestrictedHades My 2012 Avalanche got 20 MPG with 5.3 L V8
The new one is more tech/ status symbol focused but the old one is like a comfy living room couch that’s functional, versatile, and easier to maintain.
"What happens when it doesn't work?"
I like the way this guy thinks. :3
Edit: Love the fact that he'd still choose his old 'Burb over the new one! Same reasons I love old cars: easy to fix, cheap to maintain!
The GMT800 is the pinnacle of GM trucks. I've had 2 Sububans ('00 and '05) and they were such a great blend of comfort, utility, and durability. No displacement on demand but good power, probably the most comfortable seats ever, and TOUGH!
It was also the pinnacle of GMs blatant badge engineering
The displacement on demand is the number one cause of engine failure on the newer Chevrolet trucks.
@@mbsnyderc yes it is, I have the next gen truck 07-13’ gmt900 ..the 1500 truck platform with the 6.2 (engine vin code 2) there is no afm… love it keeping her forever…get a truck-Denali,ltz or slt with 6.2 and yer good…now the 07-14’ Tahoe’s,suburban,Yukon Denali,Escalade platform-these 6.2’s do have afm.
Yes. Honorable second place for the GMT900
No chance the gmt800 is better than the gmt400
I agree with David. There's less that could go wrong with the 2001. And if something does go wrong you have the money to get it fixed. I also live in Colorado and purposely buy vehicles at least 9 years old or older to get the lowest registration fees. They both get the same or similar gas milage. I've owned a luxury truck with all the bells and whistles before and I just don't care for them. Yeah, it's nice to own something new with all the features but sometimes those features are annoying too and can't be turned off or removed. Where older ones are easier to modify. I'd go for the older one even if I had the cash to buy new. Also think about it, how cool would it be to buy a fleet of 13 to 16, 2001 Suburban's for the same cost of just one 2022 Suburban?
I just recently moved to Colorado and did not realize age affected the registration price. I moved from Ohio where, no matter the age of the vehicle, it cost the same to register, unless it was histaric (collector) plates.
I have 330k on mine before the 4L60 gave up the ghost
I have about 320k miles on our 2004 Z71 Burb. It’s a keeper!!!
@@Mikael5732 lol mine is a z-71 model too
I am from EU and recently buy a Toyota Hilux I went for the commercial version of it, little bit of less power but I doesn't have all the electronics to deal with it. Basic diesel 4wd with rear locker. I had several years ago a 2 door Tahoe I remember like the best truck that I had
I pick the older suburban hands down, it's built far better than the new ones, and far less things to break, and it's easier to fix, and the parts are not expensive, parts are easy to get too.
My family has a 2001 as well, over 330k miles and still going strong
I love my 05 Tahoe Z71. 200k+miles and still runs strong.
Got an 06 z71, 200k+ and I adore mines
I had an 01' tahoe with over 200k on it and it was extremely reliable. Trans started to go so I put a used one in and it was worse than the one I took out. Was saving my money for a reman and some dick lit it on fire. I had an 05 Sierra at that time too and it was a can of worms. Of course they burnt the one I liked and not the one I wanted to get rid of.
My 05 suburban Z71 has 90K miles on it, like new. I'm hoping it'll last me the rest of my life, lol.
I have a 05 Tahoe Z71 with 300k on it I had to replace the tranny because I definitely don’t go easy on it but I would not trade my tahoe for anything
I’m right there with you. 05 Z71 with 200k hope to have it forever.
I’m sure the new one drives like a dream but I’ll take the old one any day of the week. David is 100% right! The older one is cheaper to repair plus a lot easier to repair. It will be interesting to see how the new one holds up over the next 20 years. All the added tech and safety features to the 2022 are great but it’s also more stuff to go wrong which means more repair costs.
That equation though... by tge time some of these things are breaking theyll be just as cheap.
Oh you know that new one will in a junk heap in 5 years max after being traded from owner to owner as things break and cant be fixed. Mean while the old one is at 500k still reparable in your garage.
@@Sourman1545 Hey goldfish... people were saying that in 2001.
The old one will hardly even need repairs, they're built like tanks. I know people who've gotten 300K+ miles out of their GMT800 trucks and are still driving them today.
planed Obsolescence that's what all the extra electronics gets you
Just picked up an ‘02 Yukon XL 2500 with the 8.1. Haven’t driven it too much but I love the way it feels. Based on where GM is going with their large SUVS and pricing, I think I’m gonna keep it forever lol.
ORRRRRR Just buy the new one when it’s as old as your old one. Lol it’s not like you got the 2002 brand new.
@@Natethegreat200c hell naw id rather have a 8.1L gmc suburban than a gmc you can't xl unreliable new ones
@@aljaberhk those trucks aren’t unreliable. The newest ones EHHH I’ve seen Silverado engines blowing … so ehhhh but the 2015-2020 trucks seems solid.
@@Natethegreat200cthe tech in that new one isn’t gonna age well, and those parts are gonna be really expensive for years to come…… just give me the base model 😂
Loved my 04 avalanche with the 8.1 sold it in great condition (less a few interior parts a bit crappy) with 197k on it .first person that looked at it bought it. Wish I would have kept it😢
I've got a 2003 4.8L Chevy Tahoe, mine thankfully has been well maintained with OEM mechanical and electrical parts (and no parts from O'Reilly or AZ). She's still kicking at 322000 miles. These vehicles are built like tanks and will last!!
My 2016 Silverado will be the last new vehicle I’ll buy. I’ll do the same as David: put a new engine and transmission in it before buying something new. Luckily I tuned out the AFM and what not when it had only a few thousand miles on it. Now I’m at 100,000 with just routine maintenance.
I’d take the older one any day. Still the best looking design.
Easy to work on plus i don't think it can be hacked lmbo
Agree, the old one all day long.....not a big fan of all the plastic
New cars are too damn overloaded with features. Everything’s fine till they shove all this inconvenient and expensive stuff down consumers throats.
And doesn’t put you in major debt
I'm in the buy used and keep them for a long time camp as well.
Also not a fan of all the technology in the new vehicles.
I have a 2006 LBZ that I'll probably never get rid of, a 6.2 LS in my 2011 Jeep Wrangler, a fifth Gen Camaro with an LS and my son has a 2002 LB7 with 300k miles on it that looks like it rolled off the showroom floor so we prefer the older stuff with character.
Mike
I remember when adaptive cruise control was called a foot and blind spot monitoring was called a neck.
You can't see crap outta new cars. That's why you need all the blind spot stuff.
The difference between my 2000 4runner and 2016 4runnwr is crazy.
@@baronvonjo1929 Safety regulations have been getting out of hand not going to lie
i had an '04 4x4 Tahoe Z71 (w/ G80) that I purchased brand new, and I maintained it religeously. However, I used it quite regularly as a 4x4 like you see on TV, and replaced an axle and other parts that I broke on those hunting adventures. What finally did it in at around 186,000 miles was Michigan's salty road winters. Virtually EVERYTHING was rusting out and the entire electrical system was going out on it by the time I sold it in 2019 as a parts vehicle to a guy who already had 3 other same vintage Suburbans and a Yukon. The leather interior on my '04 was still in fabulous condition, and the engine never burned a drop of oil (all MobileOne synthetic oil changes from new). Man, do I ever miss that old Tahoe!
that one thing (RUST) will happen to any car truck suv, cant blame the 04 on that. I'm deep south in GA thank goodness, imagine this new one after a few years and electrical gremlins that will pop up where you are.
The tahoe I had was way better off road after I took the running boards off
If GM would make a limited run Suburban like that old one, it would sell like hotcakes! The government safety regulations would probably not allow it though.
no they would not. not to mention the new old ones would be inferior as they will be half assed in construction and made of faulty parts, because company's just dont make quality anything these days they want you to replace not repair
There is a hope the Gm Mexico broke again with the Usa division and made a tahoe based on the silverado just like the old days with the carry-all, now days Gm Mexico is in a weird relation ship with the usa division because Usa Gm want to sell cars that cost the same as a house in mexico and mexican division want to sell low tech cheap cars like the new S10max.
Why they can’t since dodge is doing it ?🫢
I currently have two Suburbans at the moment, a 1996 GMC black SLT 2500 Suburban with the 7.4L 454 and the 4l80e transmission with 118K miles on it and the second Suburban is a 2004 LT 1500 with the 5.3L and the 4L60e transmission with 205K on it, both are 4x4 drive train. I love both of them and they are both very reliable vehicles. You can't beat a Suburban, I have carried so many baseball players from high school in the 2004 to events and everyone ALWAYS fight for the rear seats because kids are in their own world back there. I grew up with Suburbans and the 1996 was my parents last Suburban that was handed down to me. Also my buddy loved both my Suburbans so much he went out and bought a 1999 Suburban and loves it because he now overlands and camps in it with his wife and kid. They are truly one of the best vehicles made. I just wish GM would of made the Suburban with a 2500HD duramax instead of private companies making the duraburb. GM needs to wake up on what they have and listen to their customers with continuing to make the Suburban 2500 but adding the duramax and Allison transmission to it, that platform would be selling like hotcakes and GM wouldn't be able to keep them in their lots.
Andre and David are great together. Keep more of these videos coming. Compare old vs older like GMT800 vs GMT400 sierras, suburbans. F150 generations, etc
10th September 2003 I remember my dad pulling up to my school in his brand new suburban to pick me up .
This video brought up so many memories 😪
They really did put a nissan ad in there video damn
I was wondering about that. Not cool.
We have an 02 Tahoe LS and a 22 Yukon SLT. The cloth seats of the 02 are so much more comfortable than the leather of the 22. The bottom of 22 are hard and seem much more narrow than the 02. The 22 is massive inside compared to the 02. The 22 Yukon is probably the size of an 02 Suburban or Yukon XL. Overall the 22 is a great vehicle, but still love our Tahoe which is in great shape.
Got a 2002 z71, it has 2 problems: A wear out leather driver seat and the same thing on the window this guy has. These cars are just so reliable and comfortable. They are my true love.
These are some of the best videos because David thinks out loud like many of us out here who like new tech but live in the world where account balances often speak last.
That's a big positive for the second row bench. No hole in the floor when all seats are folded flat. When we first got our '17, I kinda thought the captains would be more comfortable and leave a bit more leg room for someone in the third row, but now I'm really glad that we have the bench.
I took the 2nd row bench out of mine and replaced with used captains. I could only find replacement leather for captains. To your point, I did not consider the hole in the floor when seats were down. Still have the bench in the basement in case I ever do find new skins.
2nd row bench is underrated
@@millsripley6321 you lunatic
As the owner of an 04’ Tahoe I concur with David. New granny from the dealer (best price and by far the best warranty) only set me back $2,400.00 and the install was $700
So for $3,100.00 I’m god for another 225,000 miles. I rebuilt all the rear drive train myself. I did the brakes, rotors, shocks and installed greaseable I-joints on my drivelines. The only place I have a gripe is the electronics. They all work good, but there’s a couple glitches I have to get to the bottom of.
We’ll have this forever!!! $86,000,00????? I can buy a small house for that much.
2002 Tahoe 312k. 45psi oil pressure idling and over 60 going down the road. Transmission lasted to 302k and 304k on the water pump. Still has original ac, cold as ever.
You spent too much on the tranny
Mine was $2136 including labor and parts. That included the 2 busted gears.
@@lazydadsgarage I paid $2136 for labor and parts which included 2 busted gears.
Transmission will go out but my stepdad avalanche went out around 290k but that’s because he never changed the transmission fluid he bought his 2003 avalanche new in 2004 with 300 miles on it
This one was close to my heart.
My third Suburban was a 2001 3/4 ton 4x4 with the 8100(496ci) engine. It was just broken in at 130,000 miles when it was killed by a ~ 250 pound 12 point buck. This was going to be my last Suburban, I'm getting older. I bought it new and it was the perfect truck for 15 years after I got used to the hatch instead of doors. My 2 older ones were both 3/4 ton 4x4's One was a 350 and the other was a 454. Both of these were over 160,000 miles when I got the bug for a new one. Besides brakes and tires I changed an alternator and dealer replaced a rear differential (G80 broke).
I replaced the 2001 with a new 2016 4x4 5.3 6 speed auto. More car like than truck but very comfortable. Cylinder head replaced at first oil change. Chevy put a new crate engine in at 30,000 miles. 3/4 ton was no longer available unless you could find a fleet vehicle and it's towing was not rated any higher.
Based on the performance of my 2020 Sierra AT4 6.2 L 10 speed. I would love to have a Suburban equipped that way on air bags(maybe) but I doubt it will happen on my current "fixed" income.
I had a 2001 Silverado, loved it, wish I still had it. I now have a 2020 Silverado High Country with the 3.0 diesel. When the time comes, I’d buy another one. Love it. Mileage is outstanding when not towing the travel trailer and relatively decent when I am. If I needed a Suburban, I’d get the High Country with the 3.0 as well.
I had a 2004 Hummer H2 and my cousin had a Suburban we both had removable 3rd row seats and once you take them out you almost never put them back in .
Edit : the old Vortec engines were tanks . I had the 6.0 the only issue I heard of back then was the transmission in the SS truck. Ahhh the good old days .
I also agree with David at the end; I can't see myself ever buying new. Even as risky as buying used is, it is still cheaper than new cars. They are just too expensive. And, if I am getting a new car, I am going to go for the top of the line/ options that I want.
I had a 1990, 1999, 2000, and another 2000 Chevy Silverado. All was over 200,000 and ran like a champ. Never had problem with engine or transmission. Main problem was the frame was cracked between cab and bed unlike SUV. I was so happy when I first purchase my 2019 Chevy Silverado. And boy was I disappointed! I had 3 recalls in one year. The screen was acting weird, the transmission would jump sometimes. Hate the auto shut off. So I sold it right back to the dealership. And started back driving my 2000 silver I still have. It got 220,000 and im expecting it to get 300,000 MI no problem.
Just face it everything is new is glamour, decor and everyone’s wanting to out do the next man! I have a 2014 Silverado Carolina edition I bought brand new had few recalls but no problems out of engine and transmission! Just got oil changed yesterday no problems at 122,000 miles! No up grade $80,000 ZR2 for me! Too expensive for my poor ass!
Got my old 2001 Chevy Suburban with 479xxx miles and still Towing yes TOWING! Try that with the New one!😎👊
Dint even saw the video but I bet the new Suburban can even compete. 🔥
I always love seeing David and Andre together on the channel. The GMT-800 SUVs are maybe the best GM ever made. The LS engines had no cylinder shutdown technology and as demonstrated will run for a long time with minimal problems. They had decent power too. The seats, especially the 2003-2006 versions are the absolute best GM ever made too.
The new one is awesome too except for the price. But my complaint is the DFM system. What happens when it don’t work Andre is you bend a pushrod and get a misfire and have to have the top end of the engine tore down to replace lifters and pushrods. They need to do away with that system. It only gets 1 mpg better highway rating per the epa.
So aside from the fuel saving technology, the new one is impressive. New vehicles in general. They are bigger, faster, heavier and more capable in just about every way and still get similar mileage (even without the DFM). They are pricey though.
If i were gonna buy the new truck, i would delete the dfm system
Wrong. The best seats are '95 and later GMT-400 seats, followed by the GMT-800 seats.
@@christopherclark4774 you can delete it, but the solenoid is still present. When the cylinder wants to fail, it fails. Regardless if you delete it or not
And the fact that the old one has a 4spd, no cylinder deactivation bullshit, less tech to go bad and still gets 19mpg on a 300k mile motor and trans. With all that tech and more gears, the new one doesn't get much more mpg. The new suburbans feel cheaply made and lightweight. I rented one for a 3 hour drive after our flight got canceled and had 9 ppl in it. It felt like driving a large 4runner, closing the doors sounded exactly the same.
@@jreyman i think they are good too, but out of the GMT-400s I always likes the 88-94 bucket seats the best.
My mom had a 2001 Suburban 2500HD with the 8.1 V8. I loved that car. I would have bought it from her if she hadn't sold it before I got my driver license. 😔
That's a real hoss of a truck. Terrible mpg but big block v8 power and 8 lug axles.
VERY VERY rare burban with the 8.1 those rigs can sell for $10K+ if not rotted out and smelling like dog ass inside
Water pumps were a problem area for the older ones, but they were leaps and bounds more reliable than modern Suburbans. I had a 2004 Silverado and it was great, but it went through 2 waterpumps.
I had a green one same year double cab 4 door she had 260k miles on it. I miss that ol truck
The new ones are just to expensive for most of us it's turned into a house payment instead of a car payment
that's why we have 1.5 trillion dollars of car loan-related debt in the US. The third largest debt we have next to mortgages and student loans
No more new truck purchase, that's what I told my local dealer. I can't pay that.
Wife and i have an 02 z71 suburban with 246k miles on it. We purchased it with 231k last year. We now commute 90 miles 1 way for work and its a great truck. It has the G80 and in michigan winters i dont use the 4 wheel drive much.
Owner of THREE used GMC Tahoes since the 90’s; all bought with 60K-80K miles on ‘em. Affordable prices, but all three took a LOT of maintenance. But, super comfortable, and the PERFECT size for family needs. They drove me to work every day (2 mi) and family transport around our area. But, several times a year I was replacing one part and another. Kept each for ten years. Sold the third and last one six months ago, as we are now empty-nesters. Great feel, great drive, great 4-hi & 4-lo for snow. Price of ownership was 2-3K maintenance for most years.
The old man sounds like a reflected nice guy. I was thinking about replacing my old beater this year. But when I look at the service cost of those new vehicles I realized that it's much more expensive to have a new car than an old beater
It's true. Just what you would pay in sales tax alone on a new car could fund a lot of repairs on an older vehicle.
I’m 287k with my 03 suburban and it’s still running great. This video made me wish I had 4wd though for when we take our pop up camping in the mountains.
More new vs older model mashups!
I pay for youtube premium to NOT watch ads, wtf seriously
My parents have had 3 different generations of Suburban starting in 86ish. I remember taking and completely pulling out the 3rd row seat when we needed that extra room.
I just bought a 2003 GMC Yukon XL SLT 2500 with Quadrasteer. I flew to Miami and drove it home to Seattle! When I picked it up, it had a slight driver side front wheel bearing noise. I called a Miami repair shop and they got two new front hub assemblies within 3 hours and had them installed 2 hours later. I absolutely love the Quadrasteer feature. The 4 wheel steering makes u-turns a breeze with a full circle within three lanes. Parallel parking is not even something I have to worry about anymore as you can turn into the spot very close to the rear vehicle, get over to the curb with your front tires and the back end has already turned in and the vehicle is parallel with the curb by the time you reach the car ahead! I like the 2500 3/4 ton feature because I tow a 3000# utility trailer with sometimes up to 9,000# of cargo. Towing is so effortless. Always in complete control. And having the tight turning radius makes backing the trailer so easy. One of the features of the older Yukons over the newer ones is the visibility. I hate the bulky front ends on the new ones. The blind spots are huge! You are forced to rely on sensors and cameras. The old ones have a much nicer shape that is not so imposing yet still can outperform the new ones in longevity and functional ability. I don't drive more than 6000 miles a year, so for me the gas savings of the new ones will never out weight the lower purchase cost, lower registration cost, and cheaper parts. I also don't like having to worry about all the expensive electronics failing. I would love to see an all electric version of the Yukon 2500 with Quadrasteer! I guess that is a Rivian (they just need to add the 4 wheel steering)!
I would definitely buy a used suburban over the new. With the older models especially anything under 06 you don't have to worry about the dumbest deactivate mod they have.
Bought a 22’ Suburban HC earlier this year. 2 biggest complaints are you must order one with the bench seat in the second row. Once you request the second row the interior color forces you to black…you lose the mocha color. Other than that it’s an awesome vehicle, far superior to the 20’ Expedition it replaced.
If the worst thing about your SUV is storing the third seat because you don't have a big family it's a pretty good truck. You can fit plenty of sheets of plywood in the back. The cloth seats hold up great. I put some bigger wheels on my 05 from a 2018 Suburban to get rid of rear end sway on the highway. Very good move if your wheels are looking rough.
00-06 will last longer than any of the new burbans.
Had a 2000 Silverado that I owned for 14.5 years and that thing was a tank. besides routine maintenance, the only replacement parts were either natural wear and tear or from me being younger and driving like a jack ass. Loved that truck and still like them better than the new ones!
Same. Drove a 2000 Silverado from 2008 through 2022. Had 396,000 miles when I sold it.
I love an old Burban just screams family and good times.
My dad still has his 2001 Yukon xl Denali he bought it second hand but it was still pretty new it had under 15k miles in 2003 we lived in Bay Area so due to his job he would be send to San Diego or Los Angeles and he would sleep in the back make the bed in the rear which save him motel money. But he had friends he would camp out. His truck is still all stock if I’m not mistaken is reaching 500k miles original trans and engine. He had swap twice the front diff in the lifespan. The truck is in his garage in Mexico
As the owner of a 2001 suburban Lt 1500 5.3L with 289,000 original miles on the 4l60e and 114,000 on engine, I have to say, it's a very good vehicle for me. Very universal. Roomy, comfortable, smooth riding, reliable, can haul almost anything, and very simple to work on, parts are definitely cheaper than they would be on a new 2023 model, I wouldn't take a new vehicle over my trusty 2001 suburban.
I drive a 2001 Yukon XL, 2500 with the 6.0. It's slow, heavy, gets terrible mileage, and I love it. 160k miles, and never left me stranded. I sold my 2019 Silverado, it was a hunk of junk!
My family of 6 sleeps an hour 2015 suburban LT on camping trips. I must agree that generation of a cloth seats is far more comfortable then the new leather seats.
I dont know how its possible to have 6 people sleep in a suburban. I slept in my yukon XL last weekend while racing in WV and there definitely wasnt room for more than maybe 2 adults to sleep.
I have a 2002 with a little over 300k, love it. Wish I didn't live in an area where I have to worry about rust because it does a lot of damage, but it's still going strong.
Own a 99 Suburban bought 9 years ago for $2000. Currently 178,000 miles. 42 gallon tank
Yup I jus bought a 1998 gmc k1500 suburban... 42gal fuel tank 💪
I got news for that dude with the 2001 Suburban. It has a 32.5 gallon tank. Not 38. Only the 3/4 ton Suburban's in the GMT800 platform had the 38 gallon tank. Surprised he doesn't know that since he has 296,000 miles on it.
I said the same thing. I was like dude, 32. Like my blazers.
Bet yur azz he isnt getting 19mpg either
@@stevenreynolds2327 Good point as well. I never got more than 17 in the 5 I owned. Usually 16.
Rip that ad not generated by youtube was frightning.
Love our 2001 LT 2500
I've had it since 115k mi, now with 250k mi.
The only parts I've personally replaced were standard consumables and the water pump @ around 180k.
The only mechanic to touch it in my care was for a total brake line replacement. One line rusted out(we live in the rustbelt) so I ended up spending $1800 to have it all replaced. I just didn't have the lift capability to be able to do it myself. Looked like a nightmare of a job for dirtback repair, all that twisting and turning long tubes without any clearance, no thanks.
Bought a 2015 Colorado Z71 recently, as the Suburban was my daily runner.
My kiddo now enjoys starting her weekly and taking it on an (20 acre) on-property "joyride" with his Pops!
Bro I thought I had a ad at 0:00. I was like "where is the skip button". But back into topic, I really do love the older Tahoe/Suburban
David is the smart one. I agree with him there’s now way that I would but a new vehicle, one being price, the other being what I’ve heard about GM making mandatory subscriptions for navigation, etc. David is like my wife & I, we don’t need all of the bells & whistles. We have a 2002 Yukon XL with the SLT trim, heated leather seats (front). It has the 5.3L engine I only had to replace the water pump. David I thought that $74.00 per year to register ours was bad, it’s cheap compared to yours. We have one in March, April, August $74.00 each time. Love what you do, keep’m coming
I wish my '05 Silverado 2500 cost that little to register. $220 to register my truck in NH. The state fees are what get me
I own the 2004 Z 71 package. Picked it up for three grand. I’ve put a couple of grand into it. Just rebuilt the front driver seat like new. I love it. Best all-around vehicle I’ve ever owned. Comfortable, luxurious, practical, easy to work on. I use it daily for work towing a utility trailer. And use it for travel as well. 19 miles to the gallon highway. 13 to 14 miles per gallon towing a trailer. I am looking for another one. I want to own a pair
1996 Chevy K1500 over here and I'll never get rid of it. Bought it for 5K with only 89k miles on it. Was owned by an older couple that barely ever used it and sat on it. I threw 12k into it, everything, from swapping out engine components to the suspension/ 6" lift, bodykit, BFG' 35's, you name it. It looks brand new with all the upgraded fixings my back country truck loving soul could ever want. Parts are cheap, you can practically swap out most critical components right on the side of the road if you have to, and at 89k it's still a baby. This 5.7L V-8 250 335 ft. lbs will easily run for another 400 thousand miles ... easily.
And all of this, for just 17k total. So why, for the love of God would I ever drop eighty five thousand dollars on a new truck that will end up costing me a lot more than that down the road?
Financially it makes zero sense. No logic when you can pick up an older truck, throw 10 to 20k into it , and have it run for the next decade to come with minimal issues.
Trucks today are ridiculously over priced and way overrated. What matters, is how they perform when hauling, tearing through back country roads, and in the dirt, snow, and mud. And this 96' Chevy can certainly do all of that, and more. And all for under 20k.
These types of videos are the ones I've wanted to watch. comparisons between new and old. I have a 2006 Durango limited, and I've been wanting to see a comparison with the new ones. good content
The Nissan ad was weird and thought TH-cam took me to the wrong video, but still a great demo/review!
Yah I pay extra for no commercials and now this!
Yeah that was bs
Nice test/comparison. It's also good to hear the opinions of someone as well balanced on the price/value proposition as David is.
I have a '02 Chevy Suburban LT 1500 with 220K miles. I love the '02 Burbans. I had a blue '02 Burban about 7 years ago then went and got a white one last year.
I used to tow heavy inflatable boats on a gravel shore with these and the older models. Excellent off-road especially on gravel
2002 Chevy Tahoe with 198k miles and still running strong!
My 2007 LTZ lifted 7 inch 35' tires is a keeper...I love my Surburban and it's a eye catcher...238000 miles and running like a new truck. I don't drive her as much but she is a diamond. No engine lights and still looks new.
I loved this video. I have ,used to me ,07 Yukon Denali with 6.2 and love it. Worked through all the quirks but love it. Wish it where a 2500!
I've had a 04 z71 Tahoe for 5 years and it's hands down my favorite vehicle I've ever owned, my next will be a 2000-06 suburban. I have put my Tahoe through absolute hell and it still runs and rides good, winter is so much fun.
This really shows how much better old suburbans are and how bad the new ones have gotten. I think the happy medium is the k5 Tahoe conversion. I would love to see you guys drive a 2 door one of those offroad.
I don't think they're necessarily bad. I just think that they're aiming for a different type of customer for the Suburban than they used to.
@@jamesrodriquez2863 They are bad because of the electronics. Most new cars wont make it very far passed 100,000 miles anymore. They might not even make it to 100,000 without lots of costly repairs. The old Suburban's would run forever. I agree they are targeting a different customer but they are also abandoning a lot of customers. Old Suburban's were a great mix of rugged capability and luxury with really good quality. Today they are just big luxury cars without most of the rugged capability or quality for a lot more money even when you factor in inflation.
@@danthechevymanc6b475 Very well said. I’m a young adult, but I’m always thinking about the future. In that future I see myself with a large family, and I need a car with good reliability. The General Motors of today are most certainly not catching my interest anymore.
@@danthechevymanc6b475 as an owner of a 2005 Opel Astra wagon (I live in Europe) with over 200.000 miles, I have to agree with you. My car got here with no major/costly repairs. Only the usual stuff.
@@danthechevymanc6b475 Big luxury car buyers are customers GM wants because they have money to burn and there aren't many choices for them left. I've read good things about the Jeep Wagoneer. It's body on frame, 19 feet long, and has a lot of that old school utility available that you speak of. The Grand Wagoneer is ridiculously priced, but the regular Wagoneer starts at $59K, which isn't bad considering what you get. I'm not a big fan of Chrysler products, but this new Wagoneer caught my attention. The 5.7L V8has gone away, replaced by a 400hp twin turbo inline 6. If that turns out to be a decent engine, Jeep might just have a hit with a lot of the old school Suburban folks like you.
The new one has terribly uncomfortable front seats. Not too surprising when you understand they are the same underneath as in the equinox.
The seats are the same as the Equinox? Interesting, had no idea given the stark difference in chassis/platform that they’d be the same.
GM has been putting really hard seats in the cars for the last 15yrs. I don't know why they thought that was a good idea. Even Cadillacs have rock-hard seats. Why!?
@@palebeachbum quantity over quality that’s why
For anyone wondering what happens when you have AFM or cylinder deactivation, after so many miles, your cam shaft will simply ✨snap✨. It’s happened to my friends 2014 1500 Silverado 3 times. Every time the dealer even said it was from the AFM. Definitely recommend getting it tuned out
For $200 you can buy a ranger that plugs into the OBD port put one on a 2008 made the 5.3 a different motor traded for a 2017 6.2 the one pulled right out of the 08 5.3 and worked in the 17 6.2 I think the 2018 used a different cylinder delete. Made big difference in the 6.2
tuning it out only disables it. the faulty components are still there and will fail. the only solution is physical top end rebuild.
Not every vehicle has these issues. From where I am (Qatar), I see very few GMT800s and more GMT900s and K2 vehicles.
consider the years. not many were sold there in the 90s@@ramaswamynarayanaswamy4806
GMT 800 vehicles are some of the best overall vehicles ever made. They were built well, didn't have any really crazy problems, had just enough creature comfort, and GM made a shit ton of them parts from bumper to bumper were readily available and affordable.
i have a 2006 ltz suburban awd 6.0 L with 270k, the last year b4 dod (displacement on demand). the dod fails and damages camshafts and lifters,the 10spd trans has smaller clutches in it than the 4spd. so it will last longer. the electric gear selector might fail, the high hood line means less frontal view, irs rear suspension has cv axles which will eventually need replacement, plus no matter how high you set the height the lower control arm will still have the 6.5 clearance with the ground. for me the '01 to '06 is the better and cheaper to maintain truck. i also owned a 93 burban. and it was very low maintenance.
Why did I see a Nissan ad in the beginning? Not cool as a paying YT Premium Subscriber.
The ad isn’t put on by YT.. if you pay TFL directly I’m sure they can work something out to remove that ad as well.
@@WW-wf8tu not sure i follow. The ad was uploaded as part of the video, so TH-cam doesnt have any control over that aspect. I could easily splice in the same ad to any one of my videos.
The old Suburban's looks alone puts it above the new one in my eyes.
I’ve never owned a Suburban…but I’ve lusted after many! Maybe one day, I’ll give up my Jeep for a Suburban. Both of these options are nice.