Out of "Control" - The Bachelorette Season 17 REVIEW (Grading Katie's Season)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ก.ค. 2024
- Another season has finished and so it's time, yet again, to get out our red sharpies and start grading. We'll be once again looking at the lead, production, the cast and the romance in this review Katie Thurston's season of The Bachelorette (Season 17). A season that I think... was one that was all about control.
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That Loki font sure is weird.
Hahah I thought I was in someone elses video for a second!
what are your thoughts on the rumors/speculation that none of the producers were that fond of katie? after them leaving out the stuff with desiree, i def think there's truth to them now and it does explain a lot of why on the production side of things, this season was questionable.
@@smarterperson16 it’s always hard to know when rumors are true but I think there could be some truth to that one.
@@BachelorFantake oh yeah, most of the time, take them with a grain of salt, but given everything on social media and now them cutting that out, def suspicious now.
I love your humor, your creativity and your analysis. So smart!
It's such a shame that production left out key conversations like the one Katie had with Desiree after Greg left, which really makes it clear why she ended up with Blake. It felt like they were trying to paint her into settling for what was left.
No that’s not it. That was just there by production to make the audience feel bad for Katie. Which after Katie treated the bachelor staff horribly, they axed. If you follow the bachelor staff on Instagram, no one congratulated her.
Katie herself confessed that “I knew I loved Blake during hometowns” and that “my feelings for Greg vanished the minute he left”. She never loved Greg and just played him. If you argue with Katie herself admitting to all of this on after the final rose, I feel bad for you.
Edit: Katie fans who have their rose colored glasses on. It is a mofo fact that none of the bachelor producers, hairstylists, makeup artists or even Kary the wardrobe stylist congratulated Katie after she got engaged. They even were nicer to Clare Crawley and congratulated her.
The girls on Matt's season all disliked Katie we saw this on women tell all.
The guys, Connor, Andrew and Justin all came out to support Greg.
This is not my assumption, it's a fact. Accept that.
What suggest that she treated production poorly? I’m curious because I’m totally not surprised because she’s obviously a mean girl, but I’d love some verified takes on that.
@@minasbaguette889 Why would that be there by production since they didn't even include it into the episode? Throwing out she treated staff horribly without any concrete proof is just adding to a crap pile.
THISSS
Where do you hear about the conversation with Desiree?
Imo any season is Gold compared to Matt James season..
matt james and pilot peter’s season were horrendous 🤢🤢🤢🤮
Exactly. They should have had other factors when choosing Matt than his height or IG following. He has lack of maturity and totally boring/unwatchable character presentation 🙈 totally wrong standards for choosing him
@@AznStrawBewwi it’s like the bachelor keeps getting worse 😭 imma still watch tho
Peter’s is probably the worse season
or Pilot Pete’s season
Honestly production has gone from problematic to toxic. I loved Katie and though the cast were great, but the way that they edited it, and how they keep focusing on the drama instead of the relationships being formed, all just pisses me off. I give production an F-.
Also, it didn’t have to be cut so short, they could have shown us more of the relationships developing, instead of focusing so much on Greg. Also, the fact that they showed her and Greg talking on ATFR after the engagement just shows how little production cared about sharing the love story.
Let’s review the facts, apparently Katie treated the staff so terribly no one congratulated her. And I mean none of the field producers follow her. None of the executive producers follow her. They did not congratulate her like they do other bachelorettes. Not even Kary the stylist likes her, he didn't post her congratulations post on instagram and hasn't posted her since June, (did you notice at the end she was dressing herself?). THIS IS ABNORMAL BECAUSE THE STAFF REGULARLY FOLLOWS ALL THE OTHER BACHELORETTES, OR AT THE VERY LEAST WISHES THE HAPPY COUPLE CONGRATULATIONS AFTER THE FINAL ROSE. You have to do mental gymnastics to say that is all a coincidence, it's clear they don't like Katie.
The girls on Matt season hated her, and have said so on after the rose how she was trying to stir up drama to be bachelorette on the show. How her personality is terrible. This is all recorded. They also don't follow her, congratulated her on the bachelorette, or hang out with her in NYC.
Even the guys in the house are siding with Greg, Connor and Justin came out in support of Greg. They are all liking his posts on social media. Justin is hanging out with Greg right now in NYC. Justin even tweeted "he wishes he could say all that he wanted to say"
What is the common denominator? Katie
@@minasbaguette889 I would so love to see where you have seen the words, "I hate Katie" come out of someone's mouth, in addition to the staff being treated poorly.
Also, the fact that they left out the video of her basically talking about why she chose to stay. Shows me that their motives are dishonest. She is being bullied currently and none of them have tried.
MinasBaguette lol
Let’s review the facts, apparently Greg treated the staff so terribly no one congratulated him and even left him alone in a room for a day without eating.
The guys on Katie’s season hated him
Even the guys in the house are siding with Katie
He has mistreated past girlfriends
"He's just acting"
What is the common denominator? Greg
What we’re both saying is hearsay that could be applicable for both parties. It’s just a show, please chill.
*Note: this claims might or might not be true, regardless, it is just to show that one should not trust what's on social media so readily and make accusations like @MinasBaguette is doing. Let's stop with the spread of misinformation.
It’s even worse on the bachelor. It feels wrong that they don’t show friendships between the women, only the drama. Like they’re trying to portray catty, mean girl behavior from women. There were friendships on matt James season I didn’t know about until after from the cast. At least with the guys they show both the friendships and fights.
I find it interesting that production decided to really highlight the men that ended up essentially dumping Katie (Greg, Andrew, Michael,) and gave almost no time to Justin or honestly Blake either.... I understand them focusing on those relationships somewhat, but it really made the season feel deflated for me when they were gone.
I hate production more with every season. I know they don't really care for contestants or the lead but I really think lately it just feels like they hate their leads. Clare, Matt and Katie all seems to gotten shady edit. And dates were so lazy.
There are only two things I would change. I don’t think Katie as a lead was perfect but I think she was a lot more real with people and with the audience than a lot of others. She herself was quite wonderful and I think she deserves a B. She def made some mistakes but they’re always things that we have already observed to be part of her personality anyways for the most part.
Think of Matt James where you left the season not knowing him barely at all, and Katie is different than that for sure. We got to know Katie much more.
The other thing I would change is the casting grade which I would make slightly higher due to there being no horrible and toxic bullying like in SO many of the past seasons. The final guys all did love her even if flawed. There was no one like Luke P.
You have always said that you hate that drama and want less of it, and that’s what happened. Yes the here for the right reasons squad was super annoying. But it’s a step up from villains of past seasons for sure.
I think she and some of the final few men deserve a higher grade too. She listened to the guys, who were actually right, so we were spared more toxic behaviour like in seasons past. The few guys who did make it to the end were pretty awesome. 👏
I agree. I loved Katie as the Bachelorette. She was flawed, but I think she did a great job.
@@emilyallen366 Same
@@angelaraber She straight up accused Thomas and Greg without any apparent proof. She should calm down a little with her accusations.
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Having read Rachael Lindsay’s article about her journey on the franchise made me not to believe everything i see on the show. Production has a lot of control on how things play out.
The promos were bad. They promoted the hosts more than Katie (by looking at the ABC website ).They made Greg look dull and boring. They made Hunter look like a villain. They never showed the romance between Justin and Katie (including that “honey moon” scene Fantake pointed out in the previous recaps). The Greg and Katie scene seems to be edited (Katie did not just say I love looking at you. She wiped his tears at some point). The Greg montage was weird.
The ATFR was recorded shortly after the final episode (which means both Greg and Katie were still hurt and angry about the break up). Katie had just seen Greg talking down on her and telling her he deserves better. Greg also had to see Katie not giving him the response he was expecting. Hence, Katie reacted the way that she did towards Greg (which was just as wrong) and Greg said he did not regret anything. However on Nick’s podcast he admitted that he was wrong to put so much pressure and expectations on Katie. Similarly, Katie replied to Madison’s tweet ( it was something about not trusting the words that come out of your mouth when your heart is wounded) which Katie said “I wish I knew that before the ATFR”
I therefore assume that they both regret the way they treated each other but did not have a chance to clear the air because they’ve already messed it up at the ATFR.
Prouduction= Failed
Dimpho..... Long, but I agree.
I love that you’re a Loki fan!! Also why is a season like Sean and Catherine’s too much to ask for 😭😭 There’s no true romance anymore
But Sean kept Tiana or Tiara whatever her name is, and her sassy sparkle for too long....
Totally agree Alexia! Would it kill them to show a little love?
i thought tayshia and and zac had a very genuine romance!!
@@kittykat248100 So true! Okay, so Tayshia & Zac/Sean & Catherine love story ❤
Yes, bring back whoever edited/produced Sean's season. And choose a bachelor like Sean.
Did anyone else feel Katie’s season had the same problem with editing? I feel like we didn’t get to know any of the guys apart from Greg. It was impossible for me to get involved in anyone except Andrew S because unlike the other guys besides Greg, he had screen time. Blake was Katie’s final pick but we never got to see them together. Justin lasted that long but we never got to see them together or see the bond they say they made and were sad that viewers didn’t see it.
Honestly my biggest problem with this season was enjoying myself with seeing Katie bond with someone and then editing going back to the “Here for the Right Reasons” brigade and I immediately got frustrated and turned it off halfway through.
The editing isn’t as bad as Matt’s season but it’s still really up there. After Andrew was sent home I lost even more interest. Not the worst season ever and not the worst bachelorette ever but it’s also…just mediocre. The production clearly didn’t care that much.
I've heard that some time ago some people from the production (and editing) left... Probably something that could be verified, at least to some extent, but this rumor explains why the show is not the same as it used to be
Because I just rewatched Jojo’s season and like the editing is pretty solid. I felt like I got to know all the guys, even the ones that weren’t there long. The drama was in check and didn’t interfere that much with the romance. And the buildup to Jordan’s proposal was really solid. And watching that in comparison with Katie’s I’m just like, what happened to the editing? I feel like I didn’t get to know anyone apart from Greg and maybe Andrew S.
Production gets an F
- they didn't try even an ounce to make Katie's promos look good
- they didn't dress Katie very well, in fact they put her in weird outfits and focused all their hair, makeup, wardrobe attention on Tayshia and Kaitlyn
- they could have done a better job in promos in regards to Greg leaving, they could have hyped that up more the same way they did with coltons fence jump and they didnt
- they seemed a lot more interested in making tayshia and Kaitlyn shine than they did Katie. Katie was always like this extra person in the photos instead of the star. when they posted photos online from each episode there were way more photos of taysha and Kaitlyn than there were of Katie
so many more.. I love Katie and I was so excited for her to shine. They really didn't try for her at all. so sad.
Hopefully they don't screw Michelle...
@@janeryan2709 I hope so too... Michelle seems so sweet, hope she gets good treatment.
Katie was probably the person who dictated what she looked like. You can't blame anyone but her. In all other bachelorette seasons the lead was dressed glamorously.
@@susantaylor1804 I read somewhere that Katie wanted to dress herself, so how she looked was her decision.
I completely agree, I didn't watch this season until Blake showed up because I felt they screwed Katie and then I started watching it because of the recaps. It's really sad how dirty they did Katie.
Dang the way this season started then ended… I don’t really know if Katie came off well at the end but I know how little power she has in all of this and always I’m here to blame production for not making a cohesive narrative when that’s literally their job
yeah, so many of the problems this season had can be traced back to production which is why again i think they're the real villain thru not only this season, but in many others as well.
Well there is a reason men were starting to self eliminate at the end. Even though Greg went out like a bitch, Michael A could've stayed if he wanted
I feel like C for the overall season was an accurate grade, though I think you scored Katie a little low as the lead & production higher than they deserved. I would say:
Katie: B
The Men: B
Romance: C-
Production: D
Katie: B
I thought overall, Katie did a good job as Bachelorette. She made some mistakes, as humans tend to do, but overall I think she was a good lead. Will I ever rewatch this season? Nope. But it was far from the worst season in recent years.
The Men: B
I actually liked the majority of the men. They seemed to be mostly a good group of guys & seemed to really get along with one another. I don't remember a cast getting along this well in the history of this franchise. Could have done without the Right Reasons Gang, but even those guys weren't that bad.
Romance: C-
I feel like the romance was hurt by production, who I'm saving for last. They basically focused on Greg and Michael A. which means we saw very little of the other relationships forming. Then they were both gone and it was Blake romance in under an hour. It was definitely jarring & it would have been nice to see some of the other relationships Katie formed, like her relationship with Justin. This feels like what they did on Rachel's season where they emphasized her relationship with Peter making her love of Bryan seem like it came out of no where. I think there was a lot of Katie & Blake together that we did not see because production wanted to tell another story this season.
Production: D
Production. Oh production (smh). Why can't they just show what is actually happening rather than trying to craft a narrative that no one wants to see. It's reality tv. If there is more than person, there will be conflict & drama. There is no need to manufacture it. I get there will be heavy editing. It would just be nice if the editing actually made a cohesive compelling story worth watching. Every week after the show, clips would show up so we could see everything we missed which was far more interesting than what we were shown. I will never forgive them for thinking that the audience would rather watch men exchange stupid insults that belonged on an elementary school playground instead of enjoying time with Drag Race royalty Shea Couleé & Monét X Change and watching the men on the catwalk. They need to hire new people because the production really does suck. They earned the D only because they showed the majority of the cast getting along, no other reason.
I am so ready for BiP!!!
Honestly I agree with all of these grades.
I think you nailed this analysis
Shame they left out that runway scene. That would have been memorable.
Agree with the Rachel/Bryan edit. However, Katie was the worst ‘ette ever & this was lowest rated season. Loved the male cast!
Lead: A
Cast: A- (Thomas, Greg,etc.)
Production: C-
Romance: B-
I agree with this grade so much more
At least this season was better than Clare crawley’s season because at least she did not rush into things and explored more relationships. Clare on the other hand was only interested in Dale and not the other guys. In terms of the men, the here for the right reasons squad drove me nuts after two to three episodes where Aaron started all the drama along with Tre and James. That really got old. The redeeming qualities of the season were Blake was meant to get engaged with Katie, Andrew S with his charm, and Justin’s facial expressions carried the whole show. I would also give the season a C to say the least. Just my opinion. Edit. Michael A was a great addition to the show as well.
Michael is also a wonderful part of the show :( you forgot about him
I think this is a good grade with a great explanation.
I personally would add Michael A. because he was awesome as a plus and Katie trying to be a girl boss, rewarding bad behavior (not here for the right reasons crew, like you said), and her AFTR performance as a negative.
@@hommefataltaemin thanks for the reminder.
I’ve said it a few times now. I’d rather watch Clare again than watch Katie sit on her high horse all season. Starting to seem like the other girls in the house during Matt’s season were right about her.
@@TheWill58 they're prob especially right about katie cause she has barely any support from her own cast mates and they were with her all season
I think production really failed this season. They hyped up Katie being sex-positive and did very little with it. The group of guys was so much fun and even their drama was harmless, but instead of focusing on the fun bromance, they just randomly villanized Hunter and Thomas more than necessary. They had everything there to create a good and satisfying romance narrative with Katie and Blake, but they decided to throw Greg (and Katie) under the bus and give us too little on Blake and Justin until it was too late to make it good. If they could give us good edits for Michael A, Andrew S, and even some of the random folk that no one cared about, they could have edited everything with Greg, Katie and Blake better. One person choosing between potential mates is always compelling if everyone is genuine, so the extra drama wasn't necessary and subjects everyone to unnecessary negativity outside of the show.
This season had potential but they literally gave the winner little to no screen time…and he didn’t even come that late! The witch hunting + Greg pretty much got all of the camera time and seeing how things end with Greg makes a good season in theory just ehhhh to me
A lot of people are talking about how the katie and Blake romance came out of nowhere. I’m pretty sure they didn’t show us much if like Justin and katie’s bond. They were super focused on Greg and that’s why it makes it look like katie was desperate and went for Blake. When in fact it probs wasn’t even like that.
Sukhman .... I agree 100%. It was as if they spent the season propping up Greg as the next Bachelor. Then he went and flushed that down the toilet. They seemed to try to salvage it with the montage and ATFR, but Greg was just too "extra". By the way, his loud applause point felt like a plant. Why did she "owe" him reciprocation?
@@Julie-7605 yasss I totally agree with u. I feel like they were trying to make him look better and then at the end have everyone feel bad for him in the after the rose. I think they just didn’t like katie and give her a really fudged up edit.
She couldn’t do another Clare being that Blake came in so late. If he was her F1 all along, they tried to fake us but RS said they were engaged early on. Maybe they gave Greg a Bachelor edit. Either way she was the worst ‘ette ever & it was the lowest rated season. Time for shows to retire without Chris!🥀
I loved tayshia’s season it give everything I wanted even with a short season and I love her and zac together they’re my favorite
Tayshia had a great season, good mix of fun and serious, genuine and drama, and the guys were all pretty good as well, and a wonderful proposal at the end. Impressive considering the seasons before and after were messy
@@nigerianprincess101 facts
Yes, as far as the Bachelorette goes, Tayshia's season is the gold standard. Sean Lowe's season is the gold standard for the Bachelor.
Tayshia's season is the best so far. She was great as the lead and taking over on short notice during a pandemic -no matter how it went down was phenomenal. Tayshia really is an MVP
@@BBuckley719 I love me some Tayshia! 💖💖
I thought Katie was a B+ lead and production was an F---- at best. Katie seemed to face a lot of bad luck, and I think she did her best. But between production and the hive mind of the men, I think she was set up to fail.
Also people love to say that Katie was too controlling or bossy or selfish, but she listened to the guys wayyyy more than she needed to, and I think she did her best to stay honest and genuine, but it’s hard to do that in this environment.
Justice for Justin, production did him so dirty!!!! He got no screen time!!
I disagree. This is best season I've watched. I hate watch the show because I think the premise is ridiculous and the editing is a joke and so obvious but I was actually more invested in this season than ever. The cast had some really great guys, they dug deep so it felt like I knew them, and I actually really Iike Katie. She's flawed but likeable to me. And when Michael A. talked about his wife I actually cried. It was so moving.
You said it!!
I really feel for Katie because it’s clear they preferred Greg over her, I was surprised at that edit as usually the edit is on the leads side (besides JP!). The bromances were actually the best part, and even the ‘villains’ weren’t that bad. I agree that her and Greg’s breakup felt so real.
@@meggy0 tbh the producers didn’t even like katie during Matt’s season but everyone rooted for her to squash the bullies so they had to make her bachelorette
Even though I scored it much higher than fantake I love his reasoning, even if it’s different than mine.
Chika I, my score and feeling on this season is similar to yours. The worst grade I gave was B + for romance. Everything else got an A IMO. Katie IMO was the best lead we have had since Sean. I want to see drama and villains on BIP, but for Bachelor/Bachelorette (this season in particular), I wanted a season of non (major) drama and got it!!!
@@meggy0 I really wish the focused on the bromances more. They all seemed close. I wish we got to see it more.
I think it's a little unfair to say that the men, specifically Blake, who were in Claire's and Taysha's season dated 2 bachelorettes. I guess it's technically correct, but it's not like they applied and went through the whole thing twice.
Exactly! That drives me crazy when they keep emphasizing that. Clare & Tayshia's season is just one season and they are both the 16th Bachelorette. Now if he breaks up with Katie to go on Michelle's season, we can talk 😉
Agreed! And it wasn’t Blake’s fault that Clare decided to leave. Blake wasn’t my personal favorite this season, but what was he supposed to do? Leave the show in protest? So annoying how the production pushed that narrative. 🙄
@@jeden75 😂😂😂 💯
I think that in Blake’s case you could argue he dated three bachelorettes since he seemed to really like Clare (going as far as to break the rules and message her before the season)
I like Katie but once again just disappointed in production. They think they know what the audience wants but they clearly do not
Also loved Tayshia and Kaitlyn as hosts! Whit and Ry said this, but they're really at their best when off script! They relate so much more to the bachelorette and it just feels natural to have women hosts for the bachelorette.
I saw their review too. I agree. I hope they find someone good for The Bachelor, and even the guys for The Bachelorette. I would love to see Mike Johnson but really only as I like him. Hopefully someone they can confide in and rely on.
Wait Katie gets a C but production gets a C-?? That’s almost the same 😅 Personally I think Katie was waaay better than production. She was so open and had so many great conversations throughout the season. 🤷♀️
For real I’m not sure why he did that. I think he just wants the total grade to be a C haha
Yes! I agree! Kinda disappointed in the video assessment.
I disagree with Katie’s grade. I think she should get like a B or an A. I think she’s one of the best bachelorettes because she’s just more genuine in my opinion then a lot of people I’ve seen on reality TV in general.
My rating:
The Lead (B-): Katie had her missteps and acted at times too contrived, but overall I think she did an OK job navigating the process, considering the pressure for her to do well after Matt James's season and the fact she wasn't even in the top 10 (not to mention many would prefer to go straight away to Michelle's season). Yes, she probably caved in a tad too much to her cast mob moves, but none of them turned out to be too hindering. She has also shown frankness and openess in her conversations with the men. Her After The Final Rose confront with Greg was overboard, but I could see where she was coming from. Her active social media output during the season was a good touch but could have been more concise.
Production (C-): As Chris pointed out, much of this season looked too makeshift and copypasted from Clayshia's season. Much of the screentime was unnecessarily wasted on drama and could have been better used in light-hearted moments. Hunter's edit was unfair and Justin deserved more than being the resident meme. The best for me was Tayshia and Kaitlyn as hosts who, despite the obvious beginner bumps, did very well and easily debunked the myth that Chris Harrison was irreplaceable on this show.
Cast (C): The "right reasons police" narrative was exhausting and dragged for way too long, and apparently things between the guys were far more amicable. Blake, Justin, Michael, Andrew S. and Connor B (and heck, even Mike) were bright spots, Aaron, Thomas, Karl, Cody and James were annoying but none of them truly aggravated me unlike other past contestants (Queen Victoria still irks me to this day). And if nothing else, Greg's narrative from instant frontrunner to his blowout was compelling.
Romance (B-): Basically since Redacted/Cassie's season, it has been clear that production's loyalty lies with the drama much more than with the romance, and they will have no qualms of sacrificing romantic moments over the dramatic ones. Although at times, it seemed like the romance part was in the backburner, this season had its solid romantic spots, especially with Greg, Blake. Andrew and Michael (there should have been more with Justin). But unlike Chris, I'm fine with the way how the narrative of the love story between Katie and Blake was handled, it didn't felt that rushed to me and whereas Katie's chemistry with Greg always had that "too good to be true" tone to it, her chemistry with Blake always felt very palpable and endearing to me.
Overall rate (C): Not an excellent season, but not a bad season by any means. I think this season will go down a bit like Desiree's season, which is a season that nobody dislikes but is hardly an iconic one.
i agree with your grades with exeption of your cast's grade: I think too, the narrative was exhausting, but that's not the cast's fault, it's a production decision. Given, that many characters from this season have recognition value (Michael, Greg, Karl, Blake, ...), even if some of these were depicted as villains.
So I personally think, the Cast's grade should be higher like a B or even a B+ for me.
I definitely disagree with Katie’s rating. Enjoying a season is pretty subjective so the overall score is fine, but I honestly would give Katie like an A-, and then minus only comes from some of the social media stuff and the way she talked at AFR (which I honestly didn’t hate, just think it wasn’t a good look)
I think her cutting guys who seemed suspicious right off the bat was refreshing. We still wasted so much time on stuff like Thomas Karl and Hunter even though they got sent home almost right away. If they had stayed, I can’t imagine what more we would’ve missed.
I think she did a great job being open and vulnerable, relating to the men, and trying to put herself on their level. It’s why it honestly annoyed me that Greg said she was putting herself above him because she was the bachelorette, and I saw the complete opposite all season. I think she compartmentalized the relationships well & treated them all with respect.
But the thing Katie did that won me over the most, was how she treated the men both on & especially after the show. She wished Hunter Michael and Greg a happy Father’s Day which was so sweet, especially knowing how her and Greg ended. She shared photos and stories that we didn’t see on the show, and shared whenever they did a podcast or anything to try and get people to listen and get to know them more. She did not say a single bad thing about any of the men except for Thomas and Greg. She genuinely cared about & still cares for every guy she met and that’s super admirable. I’ve never seen another lead do that.
She made mistakes along the way, but she was a pleasure to watch & I think she’s a great human.
I agree 💯%!
Katie should have a higher grade. At least B. And after the production cut her conversation with Desiree which could explain a lot, for that, I would move the production grade to D.
BTW, Katie is in Canada right now, enjoying Blake's Family and his lifestyle. Very happy for them!
Katie's grade should be switched with the cast’s grade.
I actually gave Katie an A+. People complained (me too) that leads keep dramatic people longer than they should which makes the entire environment toxic. Even though she was influenced, she did an amazing job of weeding out the villains (I do wish she would have weeded out Aaron sooner). I actually had romance as my lowest score with a B+. I gave production a high score because they did a good job of not releasing telling footage that reveals who is in the final 2-4.
Have you seen the Psychology in Seattle channel by Dr Kirk Honda? He apparently watches shows and tells his followers what he thinks is happening. So they asked him to watch last week's episode. The episode of the breakup with Greg. Pretty interesting. Thanks Fantake. Love your videos and all the work you put into this. My favorite part of the season was the bromance amongst the non tattling guys. I hope for the sake of the relationship, Katie stays off social media for awhile. Everyone will likely move onto BIP soon anyway. I do hope we hear from Justin.
Love Dr. Honda!
First of all, Lead B
Second of all, production F
I loved Katie and I loved Tayshia and KB!!! Production better not screw over Michelle because I love her too!!!!
YES they were so useful to katie! i hope michelle gets them too
I liked this season. I truly loved Tayshia and Kaitlyn as hosts. They were funny and have been in Katie’s shoes. It felt like they were talks you’d have with your girlfriends.
i looooved them as hosts
I give it a C + (?)
Lead: B
She was great. But I think she had production in her ear and that affected how she confronted some of the men in end.
Cast. B -
They actually seem like great guys but unlike say Tayshas season I feel like I learnt nothing about anyone .Don't feel invested in anyone else's live story. I really liked some of the bromances and would have loved to know what she actually saw in Justin apart from the fact that he is hilarious 😂
Romance: B -
Can't explain it but I really wasn't invested in any of her relationships. I'm happy she found someone though 💕
Production: C.
They overdid it in my opinion.
Katie was a gaslighter throughout the entire season. She already knew Blake was her F1, said so when Tayshia asked Katie when she knew she "fxxking loved Blake" said during hometowns. She blew up on Greg when he tried to leave, because again on After the Rose she said "Michael left the same week, so did Greg, it hurt my ego a lot"
The production team were really awful.
@@minasbaguette889 she did not blow up on Greg when he “tried to leave” 🙄. He blew up at her, was leaving, insulted her, raised his voice, interrupted, was rude, kept walking away from her, and was manipulative and abusive in that interaction. You’re in tons of these comment threads just absolutely bashing Katie and you don’t even know the woman. That’s a really gross and disgusting thing to do.
I disagree on the lead and the cast. I loved Katie sending men who weren't contenders home early when there was bs and its saved us a ton of "for the right reasons" bs. Her getting men to open up and be vulnerable throughout is a huge win. Katie was genuine and it set the tone in a big way. I'd give her an A.
Cast had a lot of genuine men who paid attention to emotions and told us about themselves. They weren't the best looking group across the board by bachelor standards, but much higher quality cast than normal. This allowed good romance throughout.. until 3 men left Katie in a row. I had no clue who'd she'd choise throughout if it weren't Greg. There were 4 men one equal footing in the last 5 and it had me hooked.. I'd give B+.
Katie should’ve gotten a better grade for how she handled/reacted to things bc it felt much more real than previous seasons. The cast was a solid B and production should be down to a D. I’d give romance a C-, so a C or C+ for the season.
I actually think Katie is great and that production did her dirty. It’s so so rare that we get real conversations on this show and she gave them to us. She ultimately came off bad because production did everything they could to have Greg come off looking like a good guy but he’s not. If it was any other guy, there would have been villain music playing behind his insane fight. But without the villain music, half of the viewers couldn’t tell that what he did was really bad. I think there was a lot more at the end and with Blake that we didn’t see that would have made her more likable.
Your comment sums up my thoughts perfectly
Thanks Bach Fantake for being such an amazing source of entertainment and analysis over the entire season :)
It would have been so funny if when Hannah tried to move the rose podium, it was actually cemented to the ground
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I wish Katie all the best!
it was better than Matt James' season at least.
The bar is in hell lol
HALLELUJAH AMEN
And Clare. Wow we've had a rough run lately.
That was a dumpster fire lol
@@DottieMinerva I don't even think the bar exists anymore😂
I already said this in response to another comment and I can't say much on how this compares to past seasons given that this is my first season actually watching, but I will say that so many of the issues (well, nearly all of them) can be traced back to production. This could have all been easily avoided had production done a little bit more, but alas. Do agree with C being a pretty accurate grade for it overall tho.
@@bezzbelbo4072 lol i can't seem to find it on any streaming place (at least legally) so i wasn't planning to tbh sdhjfkgjk
@@smarterperson16 you can prob find you tube clips re his season which when put together you’ll get the whole season in a nutshell
I personally really liked this season. Maybe it’s just bc I love the energy Katie brings but I think she did a great job as the lead. The men were a lot better than previous seasons, I just wish production had let us see more of how the relationships formed rather than the “for the right reasons” squad and other stupid drama. I was so happy when she ended up with Blake, when he showed up to her room with the boombox that one night I called it that she would end up with him which made me even happier when she realized he was the one. I wish production had showed more of their genuine relationship though rather than making it seem like he was the second choice. Overall I really enjoyed this season quite a bit. It was no Tayshia season but it was still a lot better than other recent seasons and I thoroughly enjoyed it
I met Hunter this weekend in Austin by random (and have the pictures to prove it) he is literally the nicest guy ever
He got a bad and unjust edit. He did an IG vid with 3 other guys from his season recently and it was really good...I think he saved it. Justice for Hunter!❤️
Can we talk about how this video had better production and editing than this season
Also really thought the edit they gave Greg with showing his moments past with Katie was sooooo annoying and weird. Like who thought that was a good idea? It just seemed like they wanted to protect certain guys and villianize innocent ones like Thomas and Hunter.
I only started watching at “Redacted’s” season and this was by far the best season I’ve seen. Though there was drama, there was clear development of relationships and Katie handled those instigating drama better than any other lead that I have seen. It was a rather predictable season, but I wasn’t aggravated at Katie’s choices as I typically am with the leads.
I agree 100%. I started watching at Hannah B's and to me, Katie was has been the most genuine and level headed bachelorette.
Ain’t no way Katie was better than Tayshia lol
Yup! Yup! Yup!
Agreed with everything you said, Brionna. 👍
Katie was really great, but you can’t beat tayshia, in the end their seasons were both shorter but Tay’s was overall better
@@meaganhanson8054 idk I absolutely loved tayshia as a person but as the bachelorette I found her pretty cookie cutter and scripted
I was sooo excited for Katie’s season after Matt’s season but she was just such an underwhelming lead for me. Her need to be so authentic and controlled just stated to feel so forced along with the social media trolling. I really do hope her and Blake work out though and I think this is a perfect rating for her season.
I give the season a solid B. A B+ for the lead, A+ for the guy she picked (Blake), A for the cast, A for the hosts, C for the romance, D- for production, and F for how they handled ATFR.
They also didn’t include the clip of Katie talking to Desiree that has now been released on the Bachelorette insta, which really adds to how genuine the romance between Katie and Blake feels
I really like Katie and I hate seeing how many more people dislike her now because of how the season went. I think it could've been way better as well, but I don't necessarily blame Katie for that. I do wish Katie was a little more kind to Greg on AFTR because he could've been just as upset at her but he wasn't. I don't think Greg is an actor either, he's just an awkward nice guy that wants to love and be loved. As for Katie and Blake, I wish them the best! I like Blake and I do think him and Katie have similar personalities that work well together.
Overall, I give this season like a C+. Lead: B-, Cast: C, Production: D, Romance: C+
I really think production is the reason we didn’t get so much romance and also why Katie didn’t get a better grade
i've loved katie since matt's season and was soooo excited for her to be the bachelorette. katie was actually an amazing bachelorette; she made mistakes of course, but she was a lot more level headed and intentional than others leads. i think she had the potential to have the best season in a long time, but production completely screwed her over. they gave her bad promos which didn't help considering she was cut earlier on matt's season, which of course caused ratings to be lower. so to raise them they brought in the greg drama in the end which completely tainted her season. she was having amazing relationships with the men and genuine conversations but all of that has been forgotten because of the greg stuff. it makes me so angry because she didn't deserve it and she does not deserve all the hate she's getting. i wish everyone watched these videos so they would understand how produced the show is and how they gave her a sour edit in the end which is taking away from her whole story. i'm so glad her and blake are together; they're perfect for each other and i wish them nothing for the best. i hope she talks about it one day when her contract is up because i wanna know what went down with production for them to do this to her
This season really had the potential to be one of the best in history. And I really think it could have been with just changes in the editing of it all.
honestly i loved katie and this season. i thoroughly enjoyed it and loved watching her and blake fall in love, although greg really disappointed me because i had such high expectations for him
I feel like Katie has been the best bachelorette I have ever seen, and I feel like she deserved a better grade than a C. My grade is a B. Generally, compared to past bachelorettes, she had good instincts and made wise decisions. She was entertaining, unpredictable, tried to give every guy a fair shot, and was really good at compartmentalizing her feelings, which is really hard to do in this environment. She even ended up with a good guy, and I bet 5 years down the road, we will see her season as a success because they will still be together. I even stand by her in how she ended up treating Greg. She chased after him once to beg him to stay, and he still walked away a second time. She shouldn't have to keep chasing him. Good for her in laying into him like she did. As far as production, I see why they spin narratives the way they do. I do NOT agree with how they edit in statements that never happened(that's just plain wrong and disingenuous), buy I see why they try to make it suspenseful like will Blake propose or not, and I see why they need to have a villain every season. I also understand why they tend to include more drama than romance. If they didn't do that, people would say the bachelorette is boring and not enough there to keep their interest. Cause, ultimately, it's about ratings. Anyway, stepping off my soapbox now...
I would give Katie a B+
And I would give the editor an F.
I gave this season a B .. in the last 12 months we have 4 successful couples from the bachelor and bachelorette, well with ups and downs but they are still together 🌹🌹🌹🌹
I feel like blake could eat a big sandwich like shaggy doo
I literally laughed out loud at this 🤣🤣🤣👌🏽
My grades
The lead: A-
I really liked Katie. She filtered out the drama and was definitely very entertaining and down to earth
The cast: B-
Very average cast. Some good guys and some crappier guys. I really liked Michael A and there were definitely some villains (Karl)
Production: B-
It felt a bit off without Chris and with 2 hosts, but the production was pretty good throughout. There also felt that there wasn’t too much producer influence near the end
Romance: A-
The romance was good. Katie did end up engaged and seems extremely in love. Her and Blake also seem perfect
F for production for me lollll like why leave out so much romance
chile, you are being really generous
Agree with your A for Katie! Loved how she cut off all the bull right away and rightly raked that boring Greg over the coals.
I agree with you. I liked this season a lot more than most past seasons.
This is accurate. Though I'd give production a D, since production is gonna drag a season down regardless with all the meddling.
Katie the real deal
I actually strongly disliked Katie on Matt's season but seeing her as the lead felt like I was watching a completely different person. I think her season was one of the best in a while with a lot of great men and very entertaining.
I wish we would've got to know Justin!
For many different reasons, this is my fave seasons. It's more real than any season I've seen. And katie is real, interesting and strong af. Also love the two hosts this season. I really appreciated a lot of details to this season
I’ve been looking forward to your season review all week! Though this season was uneven, your reviews always deliver.
I guess after the recent horrible bachelor seasons (Matt and Peter) and the choppiness of Clare/Tayshia's season, I felt like I really enjoyed this season. When it comes to love and trying to script a reality tv show, there's always going to be a weird disconnect. Sometimes I wish they wouldn't force storylines so much and let the people on the show just be themselves more. They seem to think that would tank ratings, but I don't think it would. Overall, I really liked Katie and maybe it's because I relate to her, but I'd give this season a solid B.
Same..I loved katie.. I dont get the hate..also specifically cz there were so many stories shared and how much wr got yo know about her from not knowing anything personal at all till her season
People might disagree with me, but Katie was one of my fave bachelorettes. I loved that she said fuck you to the goodie two shoes perfect princess bachelorette trope. She was brutally honest, said exactly what she thought even when it was imperfect. She showed her anger, and I love her for it. But ofc women aren’t allowed to show their anger, they are expected to be amiable even when they’re getting treated like shit. Every-time a woman shows anger, she’s disliked. This is just fact. Katie said fuck you to that. Plus, her talking about her sexual assault on the bachelorette was ground breaking.
I agree. I love her. She was honest the entire time, she was empathic when she needed to be, cutthroat when she needed to be, and she was emotionally intelligent (except w/ Greg but I don't blame her).
I thought the season was great, the for the right reasons crowd was the only negative for me. I felt like she got to speak her mind at the end. And I thought it overall move very well. I think production deserve an f the meddled way too much and it almost seemed like they didn’t like Katie
Agreed! Katie has showed herself to be a great human beeing and a wonderful bachelorette
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 Yes!! Thank you for this!
To me, this was a bit harsh as this is the season that gave me faith again in the franchise. I had stopped watching after the Nick Viall saga, then watched Peter's season and lost faith in humanity. I thought Katie was a breath of fresh air, even if not perfect, still very relatable and fun and bold. The men were AMAZING, such support and love and bromance, they were awesome. Sure the repeated storyline of who's not here for the right reason got silly, but I'm also here for the drama.
The only real fly in the ointment was the ending, as none of the three favorites was the final pick. But otherwise a great season.
Yeeeesssss....... She was relatable. Not to mention, the most modern women of the bunch. She wasn't trying to fit into the female archetype role. I enjoyed watching her ATFR fight with Greg because I have more masculine energy than feminine. I think this is a strength. But it can be off putting to see it in a woman.
Katie's " Thank you for your feedback "
tone of voice is the same as
when she " Wished Greg the best ".
Comment section: *talking about the Bachelorette*
Me: Wow! Those Loki parallels Bachelor Fantake made were incredible
I loved Katie as a lead she deserves a higher grade!
Idk..Katie's season started out so good and then it felt like the productions just botched it.. maybe it's cz they don't like her or they wanted her season to end terrible so that people are more enthusiastic and hopeful about Michelle's season... katie certainly doesn't deserve a C..production def deserves way lower... also I think any other season Greg would have got the Luke P edit but they just seem to love Greg for some weird reason
truthfully...i didn’t even watch every episode all the way through this season. i was expecting more but i still wish katie and blake the best!!
there was so many gaps in the season, i’m so happy she found love but production fucked this up in my opinion
reality tv as a whole cares about conflict currently more than the premises
Well in the theme of control, I felt as though unlike other seasons, Katie as the Bachelorette was never in it. It wasn’t even her firm final decision at the end. Whether it was the drama with Thomas brought about by the other guys or the guys basically sending Karl home as well, or the fact that Michael A and Greg left, I felt that this season was never about Katie or how she felt. I felt as though a lot of her autonomy was really taken away from her, like how I felt Hannah Brown also had the season taken away from her.
If anything I feel bad for Katie’s season blowing up for her sake.
i loved the loki theme for this episode, there are a lot of eerie connections here LMAO
First, I really like your fairness. Thank you for not taking sides. I agree with much of what you say, except I will give the guys a higher grade of B+ / A-. They had a ton of chemistry, a lot of which only came out in the bloopers, and I think a lot of them are just really great wholesome guys. I look forward to seeing them more in Paradise.
It's strange that I was so excited to know Katie ended up with Blake more than any previous season.
Funny to me that when they edited Blake to look like he might not propose… I watched Katie…. Not an ounce of worry on her face… so I knew this was a fake out AND that she was fully confident that he was going to propose.
@Voyager maybe.. but also… a lady knows.
actually on bachelor happy hour, she said she didn't think he was going to. she couldn't see the ring box in his pocket and was trying to keep her composure because she thought he was just gonna ask to leave with her instead of getting engaged, so when he proposed, her reaction was genuine
@@101supersmiley a girl can tell how a guy feels, That’s all I’m saying. Words are not always needed.
As a whole, I did not like this season, and I think its ALL in the ending. You were right about blake having no screen time. Not to say they arent in love, but solely based on what was shown, its really hard to believe that they are, not to mention all that greg stuff factoring in too. Also, katie was wayyy too reliant on what the other guys thought. who knows what wouldve happened had she given cody, hunter, or even thomas a 2nd chance. and the repeat dates... BORINGGGG. this is all sad too because I was really captivated and invested in this season until the last couple of episodes... so thats dissapointing. All in all, we needed more episodes, more focus on the actual relationship that survived, and for katie to rely a little less on what the guys of the house felt. A C is a PERFECT grade for this bleh season.
Love your reviews. Keep em coming.
Katie was one of the best bachelorettes. I think she was great and real and raw..and I wasn't even looking forward to this season...
This franchise has always been a good joke to me, but that changed with Katie's season. I genuinely adore her and loved her season. Greg is a psychopath, so I'm glad she's happy.
in katie’s defense the men almost made it impossible for her to see it through with a “villain” but i respect her for not keeping villains cause yk production would want that
The way that you described the cast of men being more friendly then the edit showed is exactly how the girls on Matt’s season were but sadly women don’t get that same grace and redemption arc.
Not to mention the INTENSE criticism of Clare probably wanting to follow the rules as much as she could.
Katie is one of the Best Bachelorette’s. I don’t agree with your grade at all. She dealt with so much and I think her and Blake have off the charts chemistry and compatibility. Editing could have told the story better. Production was lazy too. Katie gets an A from me.
Katie said in her interview in the beginning of the show that she fell in love two times. After Greg left she fall in love again
As a major Loki fan, this video was everything! Especially the connection to the show at 7:48!
The LOKI segues and LOKI font panels really made me laugh watching this. So on point. And I agree the suspense and romance was lacking. Editing and production was a big part of that. I do think Katie and Blake are a cute pairing. Here’s hoping they can make it last in the real world.
I liked having Tayshia and Kaitlyn as mentors and hosts during the season. However, I think for MTA and ATFR (especially the latter) they need a non-biased 3rd party. Because they weren't just a host, they were Katie's friends, they can't interview people like Greg objectively. (and they just aren't great at the live show in general)
You might be onto something. Chris Harrison was great at the live stuff, but outside of the live stuff, he just felt like a robot there to ask the lead a list of questions when he was talking to them on the show. With Tayshia and Kaitlyn, it felt like some friends hanging out and chatting. Not sure how they'd bring in a non-biased party for the live stuff since even a former lead who has had no prior involvement with the season may come in with their biases.
@@emilyallen366 they did it with Emmanuel Acho on Matt James' season and I think that was great!
Keep doing what your doing! 👏🏾 Great review 🙂
Justin’s different faces montage will always be remembered too! His faces provided me with the seasons best laughs!
The lay out for the season just made the After the Rose seem awkward and rushed.
I'm convinced production turned on Katie and gave her a villain edit in an attempt to pump Greg up. Maybe even a punishment for undermining their narrative on social media. It was Rachel Lindsay/Peter Krause all over again
Before I watch the vid here is my prediction
Lead: A +
Production: A
Cast: A
Romance: B+
The season started off great and then went 📉
this season was way better than clare's / matts