Hi I have worked in 3 different trusts, plus my current one at the same grade since April 2023. Will all 3 trusts pay the back pay separately? Thanks for your repsonse
If on any kind of sick/mat pay etc at the time, it's worth contacting the trust as it will need to be recalculated for you - unsure if it will be done automatically.
Thanks so much for this summary. Do you know the increase in salary will also affect junior doctors still on the 2002 contract? Is there a new table /payscale for the 2002 contract?
It should do as far as I know because it would cover all LEDs including MN13/2002 and MN37 scales. No new table unfortunately - there isn't for the MN37 (the contract I'm on) either - I assume just because numbers too small and pay too variable for it to be worthwhile. Would use the NTN/2016 one as a guide for an approximate number and apply your banding as appropriate.
Hello Ollie, I'm an ex IMG in the UK who left last year. I don't have much friends left back in the UK so don't know who to reach out to 🙁 I watched your TH-cam video regarding the backpay we are entitled to. I was a Trust Grade F1 on the Junior doctor contract from Aug 2022 to Jul 2023 and was a BMA member and also took part in strikes. I reached out to Payroll today to enquire for my backpay as I understand it is backdated to April 2023, however they have replied back saying it is backdated to April 2024 and that I do not qualify. Is this true? I read on the BMA website that it will be backdated to April 2023, not 2024. I corrected them and they then said - it is back dated "from" April 2024, those that left prior do not qualify. Is this true? Waiting for your help, thanks Dr Ollie
www.bma.org.uk/our-campaigns/resident-doctor-campaigns/pay-in-england/pay-offer-for-resident-doctors-working-in-england The 4% uplift goes back to 1 April 2023 - if you were a BMA member at the time I would suggest speaking to the BMA and asking for some support/clarity. Unless the trust are talking about some other pay uplift/deal, they're incorrect.
Dear Dr. Ollie, thank you for this great video. I think the answer is yes based on your vidoe, but I want to double check, if one resign from their NHS training role sometimes between now and until the pay appear in the paycheck, will they still get paid? (if they were emplyed in 2023 till their resignation date now)
Hello! Backpay applies for any work done during the time period (April 2023 to August 2024) - what happens after that doesn't matter, if you leave the country, resign, retire, do something else. You still did the work during that period, and so are entitled to be paid properly.
I don't believe so unfortunately automatically if you weren't employed by the NHS. I would recommend speaking to the University, as I imagine it would depend specifically what's in the contract.
Question: Dr. Ollie was famously in one of Dr. Gill's videos where he showed his coolness. Is Dr. Gill (who is a teacher?) and similar teaching doctors like him impacted by this pay deal?
Dr Gill is (I think) a locum GP, so won't be affected by this - GPs have their own pay contract, and even then locums are treated slightly differently. I hope he is earning very well though, he's an excellent doctor and was a great tutor.
Hi Ollie, You do realise that your pay increases and that of the nurses pay increases came directly from the ambulance service training budgets and we have no one left to do our jobs because of your increases. Its not fair
Is this confirmed to be true somewhere in writing? Reason I ask is it would be highly unusual for the ambulance service specifically to be gutted for this pay restoration - and if it true, it would be a very great shame.
70% of UK national debt is simply to itself via the Bank of England. It's a pure political choice to not increase the NHS budget to meet increasing staff wages. If this is true, which I doubt, then the problem is not us seeking inflation matching pay increases but the political choices of the government/ treasury. Don't level everyone down like this, it's poor form. Support all your fellow workers, not complain about others standing up for their worth.
1) this isn’t true, unless you have some special leak that no journalise has got hold of 2) that’s a government decision. Workers demanding fair pay is a completely fair thing to do, it is up to the government to source that money. If that’s where they chose to take it from then that’s on them
Awesome thanks Brilliant summary on it.
Hi Ollie. Great video. I assume that Bank Staff will be treated similarly to Locums with no entitlement as on zero hours etc?
yes, no backpay
I think so I'm afraid.
Hi
I have worked in 3 different trusts, plus my current one at the same grade since April 2023.
Will all 3 trusts pay the back pay separately?
Thanks for your repsonse
Each trust is responsible for the pay accrued, so in theory yes.
Hi will that payment affects if someone on sick leave? Or on half pay for couple of months?
If on any kind of sick/mat pay etc at the time, it's worth contacting the trust as it will need to be recalculated for you - unsure if it will be done automatically.
Great summary, cleared up a lot of stuff!
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks so much for this summary. Do you know the increase in salary will also affect junior doctors still on the 2002 contract? Is there a new table /payscale for the 2002 contract?
It should do as far as I know because it would cover all LEDs including MN13/2002 and MN37 scales. No new table unfortunately - there isn't for the MN37 (the contract I'm on) either - I assume just because numbers too small and pay too variable for it to be worthwhile. Would use the NTN/2016 one as a guide for an approximate number and apply your banding as appropriate.
Hello Ollie, I'm an ex IMG in the UK who left last year. I don't have much friends left back in the UK so don't know who to reach out to 🙁 I watched your TH-cam video regarding the backpay we are entitled to. I was a Trust Grade F1 on the Junior doctor contract from Aug 2022 to Jul 2023 and was a BMA member and also took part in strikes.
I reached out to Payroll today to enquire for my backpay as I understand it is backdated to April 2023, however they have replied back saying it is backdated to April 2024 and that I do not qualify. Is this true? I read on the BMA website that it will be backdated to April 2023, not 2024.
I corrected them and they then said - it is back dated "from" April 2024, those that left prior do not qualify. Is this true?
Waiting for your help, thanks Dr Ollie
www.bma.org.uk/our-campaigns/resident-doctor-campaigns/pay-in-england/pay-offer-for-resident-doctors-working-in-england
The 4% uplift goes back to 1 April 2023 - if you were a BMA member at the time I would suggest speaking to the BMA and asking for some support/clarity. Unless the trust are talking about some other pay uplift/deal, they're incorrect.
Dear Dr. Ollie, thank you for this great video. I think the answer is yes based on your vidoe, but I want to double check, if one resign from their NHS training role sometimes between now and until the pay appear in the paycheck, will they still get paid? (if they were emplyed in 2023 till their resignation date now)
Hello! Backpay applies for any work done during the time period (April 2023 to August 2024) - what happens after that doesn't matter, if you leave the country, resign, retire, do something else. You still did the work during that period, and so are entitled to be paid properly.
@@OllieBurtonMed Thank you so much :)
Are clinical research fellows employed by universities eligible for the back pay?
I don't believe so unfortunately automatically if you weren't employed by the NHS. I would recommend speaking to the University, as I imagine it would depend specifically what's in the contract.
Question: Dr. Ollie was famously in one of Dr. Gill's videos where he showed his coolness. Is Dr. Gill (who is a teacher?) and similar teaching doctors like him impacted by this pay deal?
Dr Gill is (I think) a locum GP, so won't be affected by this - GPs have their own pay contract, and even then locums are treated slightly differently. I hope he is earning very well though, he's an excellent doctor and was a great tutor.
You’re a champ. Thanks mate
No problem 👍
Resident doctors
Agreed, but for sake of comms and dissemination of this stuff, SEO is better as junior doctors here.
Hi Ollie,
You do realise that your pay increases and that of the nurses pay increases came directly from the ambulance service training budgets and we have no one left to do our jobs because of your increases. Its not fair
Is this confirmed to be true somewhere in writing? Reason I ask is it would be highly unusual for the ambulance service specifically to be gutted for this pay restoration - and if it true, it would be a very great shame.
70% of UK national debt is simply to itself via the Bank of England.
It's a pure political choice to not increase the NHS budget to meet increasing staff wages.
If this is true, which I doubt, then the problem is not us seeking inflation matching pay increases but the political choices of the government/ treasury.
Don't level everyone down like this, it's poor form. Support all your fellow workers, not complain about others standing up for their worth.
1) this isn’t true, unless you have some special leak that no journalise has got hold of
2) that’s a government decision. Workers demanding fair pay is a completely fair thing to do, it is up to the government to source that money. If that’s where they chose to take it from then that’s on them