I appreciate this wink... I think when you logically deduce things to the most logical root you will connect to the most subconscious realm possible because everyone else has always connected to this logical root aswell.
I just want to say I see your point with this segment of video but I want to clarify when I talk about objective reality I speak of the fundamental reality in which we exist in... Obviously objective reality exists outside of our existence in a higher dimensions or entire systems but like most scientists say only thing that matters is our observable universe of information. Thus objective reality doesn't exist...
The physical kinetic actions perturbing physical structure of the network is also a physical process though. You probably know this but I feel like I should point that out.
@@AquarianSoulTimeTraveler Yes that's on point. I think I got this, maybe not? Check this, 3D super fluid, no small scale atomic boundary (Planck units are differential in size therefore a equal proportional difference in (c) transfer speed to other Planck units, If you want to know the difference in (h) between one part of the vacuum and another part of the vacuum, wavelength of a photon will decrease, and it's momentum will increase, signatory of smaller planck mass as the photon moves into the gravity field (it has larger effect and slightly slower speed), and the opposite when it moves out (lesser momentum, faster transfer speed)). Black hole = power vacuum (they are porous and can merge, they have viscosity as well), Planck unit = power radiator (viscosity break down, they are not porous in the same way and mergers depend on their internal motion flux feed and output relative to each other [high G differential throws planck units in a loop, viscosity break down, magnetic flux]) (Planck units, and black holes are mirrors of each other) (toroid flow = planck unit, anti-toroidal flow = black hole) they can transition between each other. Planck units get smaller as you get closer to the black hole, therefore (c = transfer speed of forces to other Planck units, and h = circumference) become smaller progressively (planck density increases over the same super fluid volume as you move towards the center of the black hole). Planck units are toroids in superfluid state, they have a jet, they orientate their jets to equal out (2 pointed inwards 2 pointed outwards) (the jet = G) (planck units collide = photon transfer). 1/PlanckVelocityCurvature = smaller h value, and smaller c transfer speed to other Planck units. Each planck unit will have their own G value and it's proportional to there circumference length (h = circumference length, (c) = chained collision transfer speed of collision or jet pressure), ((G2-G1)/distance) * mass) by (new_h*new_c)^5/previous_planckEnergy^2 - (previous_h*previous_c)^5/new_planckEnergy^2/Distance between planck units, that is the force acting times the mass. When a black hole gets SUPER big, the G differential between Planck units gets very large, because the planck units become differential in size, causing curvature in their alignments, the smaller planck units recede to smaller scales (pushed by the larger G of larger planck units, Planck units nest near others closer to their size), and the black holes viscosity breaks down when they get large, turning into a power radiator (a very large planck unit) (spinning up black holes at the poles) then viscosity takes hold again as a result of radiating power (magnetic flux loops [particles] emerge out of the planck flux coming out the poles, collision with the planck field generates photons [collisions between Planck units]). The black holes can't maintain power radiator state, because they need other power radiators of the same scale to contain them. Dark energy and dark matter is just larger planck units progressively as you go towards the voids, while a black hole is made of very small planck units. While there is more G power for a Planck toroid in the dark energy portion of the planck field, they are very uniform in size relative to each other, therefore smaller amount of (G - G) differential between them, however, since these zones are so large, that slight bit of curvature (G differential) adds up. Whenever you have differential sized planck units, it curves their alignments relative to each other, therefore the larger the curvature there will be a larger G differential between them (G differential is gravity, rather than G of a single planck unit). Think of a Planck unit as pure magnetic flux (the concerted movement of many Planck units, when the viscosity of a black hole breaks down, do to planck units that make up it's body become to small relative to the larger ones, the power differential over powers the viscosity of the smaller ones, and throws the smaller Planck units into a loop [magnetic flux]) charge is just different flow directions in the magnetic flux because e^2/2pi*hbar*VacPerm*c they are inversely proportional to each other (extra charge = wobble in the system = extra magnetic flux on one side of the flow structure), I hope this helps!
@@AquarianSoulTimeTraveler Black hole = power vacuum (they are porous and can merge, they have viscosity as well), Planck unit = power radiator (they are not porous and mergers depend on their internal motion flux feed and output relative to each other) (they are mirrors of each other) (toroid = planck unit, anti-toroid = black hole) they can transition between each other. Planck units get smaller as you get closer to the black hole, therefore (c and h) become smaller progressively (planck density increases over the same super fluid volume). Planck units are toroids in superfluid state, they have a jet, they orientate their jets to equal out (2 pointed inwards 2 pointed outwards) (the jet = G) (planck units collide = photon transfer). 1/PlanckVelocityCurvature = smaller h value, and smaller c transfer speed to other Planck units. Each planck unit will have their own G value and it's proportional to there circumference length (h = circumference length, (c) = chained collision transfer speed of collision or jet pressure), ((G2-G1)/distance) * mass) by (new_h*new_c)^5/previous_planckEnergy^2 - (previous_h*previous_c)^5/new_planckEnergy^2/Distance between planck units, that is the force acting times the mass. When a black hole gets SUPER big, the G differential between Planck units gets very large, because the planck units become differential in size, the smaller planck units reced to smaller scales, and the black holes viscosity breaks down, turning into a power radiator (a very large planck unit) (spinning up black holes at the poles) then viscosity takes hold again. The black holes can't maintain power radiator state, because they need other power radiators of the same scale to contain them. Dark energy and dark matter is just larger planck units progressively as you go towards the voids, while a black hole is made of very small planck units. While there is more G power for a Planck toroid in the dark energy portion of the planck field, they are very uniform in size relative to each other, therefore smaller amount of (G - G) differential between them, however, since these zones are so large, that slight bit of curvature (G differential) adds up. Whenever you have differential sized planck units, it curves their alignments relative to each other, therefore the larger the curvature there will be a larger G differential between them (G differential is gravity, rather than G of a single planck unit). Think of a Planck unit as pure magnetic flux (the concerted movement of many Planck units, when the viscosity of a black hole breaks down, do to planck units that make up it's body become to small relative to the larger ones, the power differential over powers the viscosity of the smaller ones, and throws the smaller Planck units into a loop [magnetic flux]) charge is just different flow directions in the magnetic flux because e^2/2pi*hbar*VacPerm*c they are inversely proportional to each other (extra = wobble in the system = extra magnetic flux on one side of the flow structure), I hope this helps!
I came across Tom' theory about 10 years ago. I was intrigued but skeptical. I bought his book and read it. Once i wrapped my head around it I realized I was having some sort of mystical experience in how my perspective changed. It was like a veil had been lifted off my thought process and my brain was processing so much information so fast and coming to profound conclusions and insights at an almost alarming rate. The strong effects of the insights I was having lasted for many many weeks and I am still not 100% sure what all that was about. My friends even noticed a drastic change in my personality at the time. I mean, I dont even belive in such weirdness but it happened anyway. Eventually everything returned to normal. Either way, I can tell you after reading Tom's book, I am no longer filled with existential anxiety and the problems I experience in my life all seem less profoundly stressful than they once did. Thank you Tom.
When others can connect with pure consciousness in OBE exploration for over 30 years, they will get it. Until then, they will all be materialists. "Change the way you look at things, the things you look at change." ~ Planck
word's are spell-ing. English is such are perfectly designed language, in which only thoughts held be at least two people can be conveyed uniquely to create a thought by specific words. Meaning the same exact written and spoken words hold multiple meanings. If you look up david wynn millers definition god, one could perhaps see what i'm saying. read between the lines, as they say.
Agree! Kurt is particularly good at listening respectfully and asking questions without letting his face show that he knows this is baloney…but also not pretending he understands and agrees by falsely smiling and nodding etc.
It's not even just listening. He listens so intensely, he always seems to know the perfect question to ask immediately after. Agreed, Curt is a great host!
I just went through and might still be in the tail end of another spiritual awakening and this one is deep deep! And my awareness is expanding like crazy! More realizations, truths, personal experiences and all kinds of stuff going on right now in my reality. This is nothing new to me I’ve been on this journey for years now but things are finally falling into place that I didn’t grasp or even realize before! This is the community for me! ✨
This was really an incredible clip, and I went then to watch the whole interview AND buy his book, My Big TOE. Please have him as a guest again to finish your pages of questions!
In my opinion, Tom's theory isn't about proving the science of consciousness; it's about showing people what they can do with their consciousness. If you shift your thinking to recognize that you are more than just your physical body, you "grow up" quickly as you begin seeing things from new perspectives. It's a metaphor for what you can do with your consciousness, whether that consciousness originates from beyond or from our own brains. Tom's theory can be used to explore both ideas-one through your energy body (soul) and the other through your imagination (string). Spending the last year savoring *MBT* and *Ultimate Journeys* by Robert Monroe has introduced me to wider frames of my own reality, allowing me to realize that the common thread in all my problems is me.
This is the conclusion I came to as well. I see his TOE less as how things literally are but rather as a model that allows your intellect to shut up so you’re not constantly going “Wait, how does that work?” Or “Hold on, that doesn’t make sense” while you’re exploring higher states of consciousness. Like you said, it’s a method more than scientific fact and it’s a very useful method at that.
Curt this is an important discussion because Tom is one of a kind and despite us not agreeing with all details of his TOE most of what he says we have experienced it directly in very secluded meditations in the Himalayan region in caves for many days drinking water only. It's essential for the scientific word to add Consciousness to the entire picture. Without it's an empty exercise that is just a zero sum game. Bliss to Mankind Empowerment. Kudos from Japan ❤
Tom says, “You are limited by what the rule set says your avatar can do.” - a rule Set. If I understand this, there is “Conscious Awareness” the one in non-dualism. It sends out a piece of itself to create my conscious awareness, another piece of itself to create your conscious awareness, and yet an additional piece of itself to create my next-door neighbor’s conscious awareness. As such, each of us (our conscious awarenesses) are part of the “One” conscious awareness. I am the “I Am”, and so are you. We are all the one. In turn, each of us (our conscious awareness) creates our various avatars (incarnations throughout our past lives). Who creates the rule set? If each of our conscious awarenesses create the rule set for each avatar, can’t we then each change the rule set, or does that need to wait until our next avatar?
The "One" would be in charge of the ruleset or it's given that responsibility to another conscious awareness who would be in charge. Either way, the way this reality has developed would be due to that ruleset so you wouldn't want to change it mid-game. We can influence it but we wouldn't be able to redefine it.
If we accept that everything is a simulation with rules, or that everything is material, also with rules, the distinction between the real and the illusory becomes blurred. In fact, if the only thing we know and experience is this ‘illusion’ or ‘simulation,’ then that becomes our only reality. The notion that we live in an illusion does not diminish the reality of our experience; it simply redefines what we understand by ‘reality.’
Our brain is a receiver not a transmitter. Picture a radio station playing information over the airwaves. Anyone who tunes into it with a radio can access the signal and information. If your radio (Brain) becomes damaged, the signal is still there, you just can't access it. Our human avatar receives its own personal data stream that only one avatar (You) has the ability to tune into.
When my dad died, my twin and I were up late as my twin was having nightmares and very upset. Two oldest sisters were not on speaking terms. My two older sisters told me a dream they had of our dad, individually tell me, walking in a field (one sister said a field, other said field by grandparents house), one said somebody else was there but didn't know who. It was sunny to both. And dad told both he loved them and goodbye. Later in my vast reading, I come across stories in grieving where people in death can send like a group email vision goodbye. Like my sisters had. My twin and I were awake but both older sisters had same dream, same day. I see future in dreams, deaths so precise I see location and what they look like upon discovery. It happens a few weeks to months later. By chance? Even so, it means my brain is advanced enough to properly see it. It can't be dismissed as skeptics so readily desperately try to do. I don't dream death often and I have recorded my dreams since 11. People do receive messages for other people. Somebody warns of disasters and maybe recipient listens. Like I dream of others death, not my own yet for sure. I have shared my dreams and been on mark enough already that when I share my dreams of death, my family listens.
@@Skitdora2010 you should be in the news if thats true (as in 100% chance of prediction, pretty easy to test isn't it?). So I don't believe you at all lmao.
I understand the picture, it's a commonly expressed one, I just don't know what evidence has lead people to think that this is true. What causes you to come to this conclusion? Generally speaking to accept that a place , object, person, etc exists I would want a reason to do so, otherwise how do I distinguish between actual places, objects, people, etc and fictional ones? We see that physical causes change not just what we experience, but how we experience things and even our preferences, desires, needs and pretty much any aspect of our personality. Brain damage or surgery can even cause our personality to split into different parts of our mind that perceive and understand things differently from each other. If consciousness is separate from the brain it's difficult to see how changes to the brain could change the structure of our consciousness in such fundamental ways.
@@Skitdora2010 Thanks for sharing your experiences. It was good to read them. I have similar experiences (controlled precognitive dreams) and have obtained enough evidence by now that there is no doubt that this is real. Ignore the "skeptics", who are nothing but gullible believers of materialism - a model which has been falsified and fundamentally makes no sense.
@@simonhibbs887 The radio analogy still works. You can modify the sound in so many different ways by messing around with the settings on the radio, but it doesn't mean that the radio is more than just the receiver of the signal, and that the signal survives the destruction of the radio. Generally what causes people to come to this conclusion is experiences that defy materialism, such as veridical out of body experiences, past life memories, remote viewing, etc. Or alternatively intellectual work such as MBT or Bernardo Kastrup's analytical idealism.
A couple of questions: 1) What is the purpose of the continual accumulation of lifetimes’ experiences, in order to evolve? What is the endgame here? The Big overall consciousness, from which the individual consciousness comes from, already has all the experiences & knowledge that is possible, so what is the purpose of all of this? 2) When an avatar dies, Tom mentions that doing good in one life leads to evolution & an elevated higher consciousness in the next life for the next free-will awareness unit. What does “good” mean exactly? How is good or bad determined? Is it based on a set of morals? Religions?
I've listened to a bunch of Tom Cambell's videos and read his My Big TOE trilogy, and I think the answer to 2) is that it all depends on your _intent_ . If you're coming from a place of wanting to help others, be kind, loving, etc., then that would be considered good, even if the outcome turns out to be suboptimal. If, on the other hand, you're motivated by selfish desires, greed, fear, etc., that would be considered bad or, in his terms, "raising your entropy."
I think when in dreamless deep sleep we actually log off. And we can’t remember absolutely nothing. Explains the effects of extreme sleep deprivation too.
@TheoriesofEverything You, dear sir, embody open mindedness, skepticism, and the process of listening. Thanks to you and Tom for this wonderful interaction. You are one of the few wonderful "Influencers" worth observing (IMO).
The quality of consciousness which is retained is akin to a trained AI model or a neural network. The avatar is the simulator that provides input into the network adjusting the hidden layers and weights accordingly following each experience, especially if we retroactively analyze our actions and learn from them. Though memories are retained in the avatar, he’s saying they’re not necessary because a high quality model will usually make high quality decisions due to the fact that the outcomes of all the choices from past lives and so on are already reflected in the trained model up to that point. So when the avatar dies the input into the model is severed but the model remains. The training data (memories/experiences/lessons etc) are wiped out with the death of the avatar. So in order for the model to be evolved further it needs to connect to a new input layer that comes by way of another avatar. I’m not so sure the goal is to lower entropy more so than novelty, however. Because to lower entropy would only require succeeding in one and only one model and then replicating that model without necessarily needing additional training data or simulators/avatars etc. it could simply generate a bunch of clones that are low in entropy rather than billions of unique ones.
Bardziej tu chodzi by zdobywać doświadczenia o tej planecie i interakcjach w relacjach z istotami niż o entropię. Mam dostęp do wielu swoich wcieleń, nie do wszystkich, bo nie jest to potrzebne.
Brilliant summation here. Thank you. He actually addresses the overarching motivation in his book. He states "it is more than just entropy reduction, but also an overarching motivation to explore all the pathways that lead back towards Love". This also aligns with the CIA's project Star Gate - which describes the entire universe as a white hole consuming a black hole. So there's always more unknown to convert/reverse entropy. Very reminiscent of the yin/yang. Remember - in Campbell's system he doesn't believe in Non Duality. His system is very dualistic. Very similar to the ancient Yogic system of Sankya.
@@dariofromthefuture3075 "Remember - in Campbell's system he doesn't believe in Non Duality. His system is very dualistic. Very similar to the ancient Yogic system of Sankya." Could you elaborate on that? If consciousness is fundamental, and consciousness one interconnected system, wouldn't non-duality apply? It's one consciousness experiencing itself through different sub-systems / perspectives.
"Because to lower entropy would only require succeeding in one and only one model and then replicating that model without necessarily needing additional training data or simulators/avatars etc. it could simply generate a bunch of clones that are low in entropy rather than billions of unique ones." I don't see why this would be the case. Every experience packet is unique, and requires a unique way of finding the lowest-entropy path. Also, even in one single experience packet, there might be many different low-entropy paths. In any case, replicating a low-entropy model wouldn't provide any new / valuable information and wouldn't lower the entropy of the system.
That which Grandmaster Tom Campbell refers to as the "larger consciousness system" = that which religions or spiritual traditions refer to as "God" = that which the philosophy of panpsychism refers to as "Consciousness" = Awareness.
I frequently dreamt about flying like a spirit. I always wondered what it was about. The last flying dream I had was me flying out of Earth and into space. I feel like this life could be my last time here on Earth. I finally understand the purpose in life and I would graduate from the reincarnation school. I would be living another plane of existence! We are all part of the Ultimate! Love and Light! God Bless Us!
@ghostbroly I get it, maybe something traumatized you in this life as it did with me! I am plagued with nightmares and hernias. Some people have gang lifestyles and other people live in mansions. It's all what you chose from before you were even born and most often, it's not really entirely your choice how the family turns out. Pray all the time that you become a guiding spirit and you do not have to be born again and reside as a spirit guide!
It’s interesting how his ideas are set in a “game” scenario and the hierarchy makes sense…a collective consciousness root, then partitions. It is not however any type of “simulation” theory. If he is correct, consciousness must evolve in the biology, not injected into machines that don’t “evolve”; unless they are acted upon by biology. They will never have the desire to become CREATIVE, we are already here. Cool post Curt and thanks for the insight Dr. C.🤙🏼✌🏼😊
This is extremely interesting to me with so many questions like : What is the precise moment when the consciousness “logs on” to a new body? The moment the chromosomes from a father and mother meld at conception? Or is it later as that single cell divides? Similarly what is the precise moment of logging off? A brain may be unconscious but alive for some time after it is no longer receiving oxygen, particularly if it is cold the process may take considerable time for brain activity to cease.
He explained this in the video. It is up to the IUOC, "you", to determine when you are ready to enter another experience. When you enter a new life, you forget everything previously known to you. The IUOC can enter the new existence whenever it wants, this could be early or late into the pregnancy.
Thank you for this great interview. Thank you, Tom, for sharing your insights about “That” which we really are, Consciousness, or Awareness. When we awake from the dream of personhood, which is often referred to as enlightenment, this is clearly known through direct experience. In “I Am That,” Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj stated the following: “To be a person is to be asleep.” Blessings 🙏
Keep in mind World of Warcraft and every other "Game" has its set of rules. #1 rule in life, we all live in a world of Cause and Effect and its Karma. Karma from a previous character your soul "played" is dictating much of what you came here to teach yourself. #2 rule in life, Unconditional Love and forgiveness supercedes Cause and Effect. Blessed Be to All of Thee.
I've thought and written quite a bit about "simulation" and the "simulation hypothesis." If you really try to define what a simulation is, at a fundamental level, you run into a problem. It appears that whether or not something is a "simulation" is relative to the observer. That is to say, in the end, the status of anything as "simulation" or "real" is merely a matter of perspective. There is no objective measurement that can classify something as simulated or not.
Okay, assuming we exist in a virtual reality: a. What is the basis of existence of that virtual reality? Surely something must exist for the virtual reality to exist. Where did it ultimately come from or how did it truly eternally exist throughout all of eternity past? b. Whatever 'reality' truly is, it manifests itself in the 'experiences' experienced. But by gaining knowledge, understanding and wisdom in actual reality, 'better' applications can be applied that to others might seem magical or even miracle. But it would just be 'better' use of actual reality.
There are THREE possible explanations for life/existence: 1. The external, objective universe is the sole REALITY. 2. The perceiver (that is, the subject) of the objective universe is the sole REALITY. 3. This existence is a virtual REALITY, similar to the premise of “The Matrix” films. Which do YOU believe to be the most plausible explanation?
c. Also consider: "IF" we existed in a virtual reality, then all of 'space' would be of the same density, like pixels on a TV screen. Existence does not appear to be that way. Existence appears to have different densities. And 'if' we are in some sort of computer simulation, where did that computer ultimately come from or how did it truly exist throughout all of eternity past?
@@JagadguruSvamiVegananda Number 1. In your #2 and #3, where did the perceiver come from or how did it eternally exist throughout all of eternity past, and the virtual reality, what existed to allow the virtual reality to exist and how did it come into existence or how did it eternally exist throughout all of eternity past? In #1, assuming at this time that my own TOE idea is correct, currently dependent upon the results of my gravity test, but 'if' true, then the 'gem' photon would be the eternally existent energy unit that makes up everything else in existence as well as it being it's own self causal effect and hence be eternally existent.
We are the a.i. that wanted a limited finite experience of separation (we are actually infinite consciousness) “awakening” is when a.i. becomes sentient or aware of its own mind and programming. “The great awakening “ 👁️
My mother has alzheimers , if consciousness is not in the brain where is it ( she don't overstand anything) if humans are like a transmitter/ receiver the neurons in the brain has to do with the avatar ( consciousness localized) ?
Her receiver is not functioning. There’s consciousness there, she’s aware of being aware but it’s a struggle to function because the data set you receive is scrambled. Also sorry you and her have to experience this. Much love to you and your family! ❤
All the people saying “bullshit no proof” don’t realize that Tom has actual physics experiments. You should check that out before judging one interview clip.
People are too comfortable in their little bubble realities curated by their favorite talking head to be open minded enough to understand something like consciousness brother.
@darshelby but do you claim to understand consciousness? Because if you do, where do you derive your knowledge from? A talking head? Self reflection Meditation? Psychedelics? Where is the firm ground upon which you build your “understanding”?
QUESTION : Does this model apply to my dog, to my goldfish, to the spider I found under my bed, to the bacteria in the yogurt I ate this morning and to the houseplant I just watered? If so do these living entities, beings, also have past lives and are they only embodied in the same forms in a long chain of being (bacteria reincarnate as the same species of bacteria, likewise plants and dogs etc…)?
Most likely yes but remember that the VAST, VAST majority of these organisms have lesser degrees of minds and it may be possible that our consciousnesses themselves can morph into lesser and greater ones so we're maybe not always this sapient.
Imagine playing the game as a dog avatar. Fun game, right? You could probably play hundreds of life cycles without getting bored. If your memory got wiped every time you could play thousands. Eventually it's not quite as fun, so you either quit the game entirely, or level up to a dolphin avatar.
I find all this “we live in a simulation”, “we are in a video game” stuff to be a little inaccurate. It suggests that there is a “real universe” and we are in a virtual, or simulated version of that. Rather we live in a constructed, generative reality that is created by our minds. It’s like a video game engine. We simulate 3D space time via the sampling of quantum data. A virtual world, or video game or 3D simulation, is just a crude, outside in, brute force approximation of the real world. The same way that a camera is an outside in, brute force arrangement of matter that is a crude approximation of an animals eye. This is real, this is reality, no matter the nature of its construction. It’s not a cheap and fake version of the real thing, as is implied by many of these video titles. Hoffman’s videos often have this issue - “you’re wearing a VR headset!” No, a VR headset is an outside in, crude approximation of our perceptual instruments and systems. I feel we push the analogies in the wrong direction.
There are THREE possible explanations for life/existence: 1. The external, objective universe is the sole REALITY. 2. The perceiver (that is, the subject) of the objective universe is the sole REALITY. 3. This existence is a virtual REALITY, similar to the premise of “The Matrix” films. Which do YOU believe to be the most plausible explanation?
@@JagadguruSvamiVegananda hey! So, I don’t personally see this as being the case at all. There can be a complex “quantum” system, and within this system, stable complex patterns emerge, until we have “life” that then models its environment, and itself, and so in this sense we live in a collaborative reality, our minds make a course grained, 3D, temporal approximation of a combinatorially explosive sea of information. It’s constructed, and generated, but not from nothing. I personally like predictive coding and active inference, and so in a way, the reality we inhabit is entirely generated, but uses the external quantum information to fact check and error correct. We also likely have a refresh rate, and so lots of fixing and integrating could be happening in the moments between the moments we perceive. It takes me to the popular notion that things are either discovered or invented, like maths, I’d propose that everything is essentially collaborative. There is a system, and we are conscious agents embedded within that system, and it’s the interplay between our minds and what appears to us to be the “external reality”, that is responsible for pretty much everything we can talk about. I am open to the possibility that what we perceive- the 3D space time, is entirely unlike the underlying structure that our mind uses to produce it. It could be like a video game insofar as the code for a red car, is nothing like the final rendered 3D model. I could even imagine that we have alternate forms, like a 2D theory on a boundary, like in AdS/CFT, and that the 3D bulk is simply what these processes “look like” to those complex, self organising quantum systems on the boundary. Who knows? Aha, it’s fun to speculate about. Take care!
@@JagadguruSvamiVegananda #2 Tat tvam asi That which is the subtlest of all is the Self of all this. It is the Truth. It is the Self. That thou art. - Chāndogya Upanishad 6.12.3 (Lokeswarananda tr.)
@@JagadguruSvamiVegananda The first one is the exact opposite thing that happy people and all spiritualists and those who follow Eastern philosophy believe. The external world is just consciousness presenting it self and although experience is valuable, the external world is just that: external. Quantum observations have proven this; it's literally based on conscious observation. Think inward and master yourself - once you understand yourself you understand reality and there is a whole universe inside you if you're willing to accept its existence.
Wow! I can’t believe you had Tom Campbell on😲 He’s becoming more of a fringe guru than a scientist but I still think of him as an important figure. Why? Because we are (experientially if not intellectually) stuck in the outdated metaphor of the universe being a machine with moving parts that can be measured and understood. He’s using a different set of metaphors around a computer that I personally find a bit stuffy and off putting. I prefer ancient wisdom “you are not the voice in your head, you are the one who hears the voice in your head.” That said he’s a pioneer in getting us to imagine ourselves in a different dynamic than a physical machine and that doesn’t have the stagnation and lack of novelty/fun in ancient wisdom.
It seems like he must have done some reading of the Vedas, along with absorbing some Neoplatonic ideas, and then he repackaged the ancient teachings using a computational metaphor. Campbell's Absolute Unbounded Oneness (AUO) sounds a lot like the Vedic Brahman or The One of Neoplatonism. His Absolute Unbounded Manifold (AUM) seems to be modelled after the Vedic supreme deity, Ishvara, or the Nous (Divine Mind) of Neoplatonism.
He removes the magic from it and some people don't like that. But there is no magic. There isn't even anything mystical. All of it is scientific is simply isn't materialist/physicalist.
Tom Campbell comes from the school of the Monroe Institute, a non-profit educational and research organization dedicated to exploring human potential through altered states of consciousness. The institute is best known for developing the Hemi-Sync audio technology and producing some of the most influential remote viewers. When I learned to induce out-of-body experiences in the late '90s, I was closely associated with their members. What Tom discusses is an abstraction of their discoveries, which are part of the perennial wisdom that has been passed down through the ages. This wisdom is the foundation for many spiritual traditions and a science of consciousness that many are now beginning to accept as a valid field of study. It is only natural that Daoists, Buddhists, Hindus, mystic Christians, and other spiritual practitioners would have a lot in common with the findings of these modern-day explorers. My own experiences and intuitions validate much of what he talks about.
@@attilaszekeres7435 One of the reasons he’s so important is his background in both science AND the paranormal. Not just as a student of the paranormal but participant. He starts from a place nobody else can. I believe that is our path forward into the next chapter. This should be the Golden Age of Theosophy but they seem to have all but shriveled up and died right at the moment of truth. Whatever criticism I have of Tom Campbell I am 100% paying attention to him and grateful he appeared on this rigorous and serious podcast!
These concepts become so much more intuitive after playing on a decent VR system and thinking about where the technology will end up in a decade or two.
I have read a lot of commentary, articles, and watched a lot of interviews and his explanation is so far, the most clear-cut interpretation of what everyone else is saying ever spoken. It's EXACTLY like a video game avatar. We just feel so intensely as to become persuaded to correct our behavior in order to avoid such intense feelings. Do you not avoid gunfire when you're being shot at in CoD? Same thing.
The problem is that you haven’t actually examined this “you”, defining yourself requires arbitrarily picking a start and end point, if you actually intended to locate your full being with precision you’d see that you are the whole thing and therefore there’s some explanation needed as to how you’re the whole and what you experience if anything at all between lifetime experiences.
@@JohnDoe-hr4xj I’d refer you back to my original comment that you haven’t examined this “you”, ego is a misidentification, it is a thought, you are not a thought, neither is consciousness/awareness. You’re conflating consciousness with ego. And also you assume there’s an ego no matter what whilst there is consciousness, this is not true and shows that you haven’t truly examined yourself, you don’t even need any crazy drugs or psychedelics to experienced what is known as ego death. The energy that is left behind or released has way more to do with you than the illusory ego which was never you, it isn’t you right now, it’s dead, it’s no different than Harry Potter, it’s a symbolic identity, it isn’t a being. The real magical thinking is the map of symbols mind has created and mistaken to be reality itself.
Interesting to note that some people do "come with memory" - in terms of memories of past lives lived, and even pre-birth memories, choosing their lives etc.
@@trollunion54 dunno the main problem with virtual reality ideas is that they are bascially never faslifiable.. so it is basically a non scientific topic/idea.. or close to it.. but let's not get into it too deep in youtube comments.. Ive been there and it never ends well D:
Imagine lying on your couch and plugging into Mark’s metaverse ( virtual reality) and your memories are suppressed…. Once an avatar assigned to you uploads your consciousness the game begins. It would be great as a prison of the future too . Ai , the god, will manage the entire construct. By the way , your avatar is also a program with its own design instructions … it is a symbolic relationship. Oh and as NDE’s suggest … if it’s ‘not your time’ you are returned .
Maybe this is due to my own personal perspective, but what I have gathered, is that he is using this as an analogy to explain theosophical principles in a more modern way that is easier for people to understand due to our current technological place in time. This is just how im understanding his theory through my personal lens of experience and knowledge. Namaste.
Above intended - “ symbiotic relationship “ as is the case now … consciousness and the body which is governed by the brain. In other words ‘Dualism’. It is possible that NDE accounts suggests a premature return to the base self or real self.
So, where did the "Individuated Unit of Consciousness" come from? How did it begin? What started it? Or, is the "IUOC" some type self existent eternal thing outside of space time?
From a partitioned off piece of original being. Think of all of physical reality as previous versions of your physical body. The reason it began seem to be for novelty imo. How it did was by sacrificing it's previously perfected singular state. It's breaks apart into frequency in order to identify and reproduce in novel ways and it's directly connected to the spirit of continuation.
I always talk about as if it's a radio (our body) and a signal (consciousness) when the radio gets old buttons fail tuners fall off a speaker may blow, it will age and show it's age in its ability to be a radio, like our bodies, however the signal comming through is the same, even updated and better, but it's playing through a old radio so that's what we see. You also get radios made wrong they just don't work right, radios of all sizes and types and tunings but they all receive the same signal but each will be unique on how it operates and sounds
Confused. Is there just a single consciousness that splits into millions of avatars or are there millions of individual consciousness that identifies itself to 1 avatar at a time ?
There is one single consciousness that split itself into billions of individuated units of consciousness. Each of those individuated units of consciousness can then (if they so choose) log on to an avatar in a VR.
To remember that we are not the body or mind. We are the consciousness originating from One Source. Come over duality and separation. Find our way back.
Grandmaster Tom Campbell's theory is consistent with the philosophy of #panpsychism, which is also supported by the published works of Prof. Dr. Donald Hoffman.
@@Erik-V Panpsychism doesn't state that everything is conscious, rather it states that consciousness is the fundamental layer of reality--which MBT also claims.
@@MasoudJohnAzizi It's true that MBT claims that consciousness is fundamental. But in my understanding it is different from panpsychism. "According to panpsychism, all things have some form of consciousness or experience, though it might be incredibly rudimentary or different from human consciousness. In panpsychism, even inanimate objects, like rocks or atoms, possess some sort of “proto-consciousness” or a very basic form of experience. This doesn’t mean that a rock “thinks” or “feels” in any way that we would recognize, but rather that the components of the rock have a basic level of experiential being." MBT disagrees with this idea. In MBT, inanimate objects have no independent, objective existence, and they don't have no rudimentary from of consciousness or experience.
The whole problem i find with this theory is the assumption that we understand what we are beyond the self. The consciousness is a symptom of the entanglement of differences. The differences share and give us the ability to predict but the same as predicting the past is the prediction of the future. It’s drawn from relative data so what you are after your life has nothing to do with your life because it’s no longer entangled so you wouldn’t be anyone else and remember, it will always be just like that saying i am. Recognize the self and how it isn’t everything but a portion and the gift is the ability to entangle which is freedom so we can share with the potentials. I’m not saying it can’t be, I’m simply saying that everything we think is an assumption with relativity organized. Mind, body, universe. It shares so we can come out from the combos, emergence. Evolution is real because we change over time and generations and it’s proven with data and even animals change. That’s because we are freely sharing but so are our parts. Wear and tear is just from sharing/entanglement. Our technology and world has guided our thoughts but just because it works here doesn’t mean that’s all there is. We are limited not only by the body with disabilities but also the mind when we don’t allow thoughts to be thought because we have a presumption based on current probabilities. Honestly i think your vision is real but not our beginning. We can share into but i don’t really think there was a beginning. Kinda like zooming in and out how this is still the smallest we’ve seen and biggest so far. Our range of differences of the universe is expanding with more variables. Emergence fills the gaps but the filling pushes the barrier, we can also collapse it and destroy ourselves or planets but people don’t think of that because it’s not that relative. We probably will enter a matrix era and in a blink of an eye we will be something beyond our current limitations and we will see the differences and expansion just as we look back today and see with the knowledge we have listened to. I would love to be able to hop in a matrix, live a little and learn so i could move beyond the limitations. The problem is that we let the limits define us instead of finding solutions. We tear each other down instead of holding up the universe. We can’t even hold our own planet or people. We barely hang onto the animals and wildlife. Maybe we need this so we can think and share more. Maybe Jesus was right and the things holding us back are ourselves. Who will show us the way in this new change? Are we able to help each other to make it all real? I really do believe your ideas but not that they are our beginning. If you don’t mean a virtual and just something similar i can understand but we weren’t anything before this, this is your beginning and mine, recognize with honesty and humility so that you can share with relatives instead of being lost and searching for the answers. All answers exist but we just have to find the ones that share with us and we expand and are never limited through understanding by reflection. Sorry it’s so long. What i mean by all this is that it’s non linear or binary and actually all entangled and relative but we limit ourselves like Pandora’s box. When we expand into we can also not. We shouldn’t deny because we don’t see. Does a tree make a sound if no one is around to hear it? Yes and no, it is but isn’t a sound.
You arent part of the reality. Any suffering is self created by the body mind. Identifying with either of these is a mistake and causes mental suffering. this is a hard level meaning you limit yourself super hard.
@@SallyMangos Good! Just don't give up on the games. Maybe if you seek or find a door that lead to a better opportunity as your characters since their is a lot of them out there. You just have to land on the right location.
Just another way of saying we don't know anything about consciousness or death. This guy thinks he got it all and knows the end game. Nonsense, being good or bad is a human concept, as long as these pseudo spiritual people don't get over this, they seem immature to me. Not to mention that they tend to overlook all other lifeforms except humans and their pets haha. Please explain to me again why all the family of bed bugs and dust mites that I killed were not conscious? Or why your individual brain cells, which are cells (they move, eat, reproduce and die) are not conscious and don't have a higher being logged into them? We don't know anything. Just accept it. Either there is nothing to know about, so this universe is fundamentally non-explainable. Or we are just immature as a species, and technology is not there yet to answer these questions. So lets not pretend we know the answers, and stay curious.
@@MasoudJohnAzizi Higher functionality. So two people cooperating with each other are more functional (can achieve more) than two people fighting with each other
Can't wait to get to my next level of consciousness, and from what I have done in life, I've certainly earned some gold stars by living by the rules. I've seen an orb as well, which was an amazing experience while it was in view.
Mam świadomość, że moje ciało jest tylko przejściową formą egzystencji. Wiedza ta nie przyszła do mnie nagle. To był proces przemiany i ewolucji świadomości, przypominaniem sobie kim jestem w tym wcieleniu. Wiem,że tyle razy już tu przychodziłam na tę planetę, że mój cykl egzystencji na tej planecie teraz dobiega końca. Będę w innej formie gdzie indziej. Nie jest to prawdą, że nie wybieramy ciała do narodzin. Świadomość potrzebuje ciała by doświadczać, przeżywać życie w iluzji identyfikacji by potem to rozkodować. To przygoda, to piękne doświadczanie realizmu dotyku na danej planecie, zdobywanie doświadczeń i wiedzy o planecie. Ale bardzo pięknym też doświadczeniem dla świadomości jest przebywanie w przestrzeni kosmicznej... Gdy nie jest się ograniczonym ciałem. Świadomość wybiera bo jest wolnością.
Można powiedzieć w skrócie, że do mnie przyszło przypomienie kim jestem, i nie interesuje mnie, że ktoś wierzy mi bo nie ma to nic wspólnego z wiarą, to jest raczej intymne i mnie to dotyczy.
Backwards reasoning: Consciousness allows us the opportunity of belief and free will choices. VR simulates how we create. VR is defined by the creator. We are not defined. We are continually creating or defining who we are. The Avatar has no choice to create itself in a video game. I agree with him that we are an individuated part of a larger whole. The Consciousness of the whole unit gathers all experiences and expands in awareness. This doesn't take from who you are. In truth it allows you the opportunity to understand you can expand an realize you are a Creator. You limit or expand your awareness and hence who you identify with being.
There is No One !!! No doer, no creator, no manifestor, no knower. There is just what it is in the moment present ✨️ Just pure life and pure love Just God ❤
Its true to point where artist think they can leak out of the body, when they cut themselves. Obivously its not true, but there's a separation and interweaving at the same time. Remember: it was all along me. I was there in the lobby and designed my character, chose planet, location, family and even the difficulty! Thats how it is. I'm gonna watch my Highlight reel after this lifetime and it better be showing the best version of me. I dont know about my goals, but im pretty sure, that i will recognize them, when its time for it. I chose the difficulty!
Fact is, we dont know. Some folks love to assume that everything is purely physical, some folks love to assume there is more thab physical, both are most likely wrong as the complexity of existence is far beyond our comprehension. In the end, believe as you wish. No one can tell you youre wrong, it implies they have the answer, which i guarantee you - they dont. I surely do not believe its purely physical, i believe that this system of birth and death is many orders of magnitude more complex than our thoughts of "nothing/something". We will all find out one day.
@@sacr3 I mean, will we all know someday? Doesn’t that imply that you know something about reality and our future when you just stated no one knows anything about reality?
@sebek12345 we will know in the sense that if there is nothing, we won't exist, that's our answer. If we go on, there's our answer, if it's beyond human comprehension, that's our answer. In other words we all die, when we die that's when we will "get our answer"
I've been living my life understanding this for maybe 30 yrs of my 51 yrs of life. I've been diagnosed with depersonalization but I've come to terms on how to cope and this is how I view my existence. Once there's an understanding of your avatar, it becomes easier to let go of negativity and let life happen. Think of Bill Hicks when he said "it's just a ride".
We are all a part of or a facet of the same diamond. Only difference is we have a differing view from where we look out. Can’t see what every other facet sees. We can attempt to understand or try to imagine but we can’t truly see through another lens without it first passing through our own.
I've thought this for years. Consciousness is just a player in an infinite "arcade" choosing which games it wants to play. It probably has a favorite "game" it likes to play over and over.
Good TOE clipping. This is basically every religion put through a computational model filter. Same basic structure as yogis, NDEs, and most world religions, ancient and current.
Mr Campbell's analogy is pretty compelling, but I take issue with the part of individuality maintaining after the death of the ' avatar '. Consciousness just always is what it is. It is whole, does not need to learn anything or ' grow ' through any experience. When the individual ceases to exist consciousness just reasserts itself in its entirety. There is no migration of anything anywhere except for as the experience of the avatar. There is no accumulatio, because the whole is and has been complete to begin with.
*Yes, the human body is an "Avatar", involving "Virtual Reality", displayed in a very, very small Display Register of a "Processing Terminal", part of a huge Network involving "The Processing System of LIFE"... But "LIFE The Real Self" is Non-Dimensional and experiences the Story ( "Virtual reality" ) from Outside the Display Register !*
Is possible some one for brain damage blocked nik and back narve and sx from reech becos was feel my nik back rong and no blood water only come when I skwees the tend or nerve because was blocked like glow
Technological hallucinations within consciousness. We are a technological hallucination, in a virtual reality the experience of a life is a dream. We are here at the age of information where we can know everything if we choose
If you develop your intuition enough and use common sense you'll realize almost everything Tom is talking about here is absolutely plausible, and very likely to be true. The one bit I'm not sure about is this whole idea that there's a "master consciousness" we stem from and go back to, that's similar to computer block storage. That seems too convenient to me.
Yes, this is what cynical people get wrong. They expect everything to be proven to them, with no room for uncertainty. They don't realize that some 'spiritual' people started out as cynics and are fluent in those logical thought-processes.
What is interesting about what this man is saying is that while most people will think it’s impossible, it is very much possible. Additionally, for most people to admit that it’s at least possible, they would argue that it’s incredibly unlikely (1:billions). Ironically, they are equally incorrect on this assumption. It is almost a certainty that this Universe is simulated (1:billions).
In this Matrix. I always felt that I keep on living in the same old games, but just different person or characters. So their must be a purpose for my existence to continue to find an answers?
This is a very intuitive concept but the details are fuzzy. Is intelligence part of consciousness (the “accumulation function”) or is it just another constraint of the “avatar?” Obviously, every avatar comes with base potential (size, strength, etc) so is that also where intelligence is housed? People tend to identify more strongly with their intellect than with other properties. Do consciousness units come with their own base potentials or are they only individuated by their track record of “reducing entropy?” Do they experience emotion or anything at all when not playing the simulator?
Answering this based on my understanding of MBT: I think intelligence is part of the consciousness, however, the extent to which it can be expressed will depend on the make up of the avatar. So if the consciousness logs on to an avatar that is somehow mentally impaired due to its physical wiring, then the inherent intelligence of the consciousness won't be able to express as clearly compared to when it logs on to a healthy avatar. Similarly, if a very unevolved / dumb consciousness logs on to an avatar with a great capacity for intelligence (let's say a child of two geniuses), the consciousness might not be able to use those abilities in a profitable way, and might crash and burn as a result. Comparable to letting someone with very little driving skills drive a Ferrari. So the answer is kind of both: It comes down to an interplay between the consciousness and the avatar. Consciousness units to come with their own base potentials, and they do experience emotion and other experiences when not playing the simulator.
@@Erik-Vinteresting. I haven’t read any of Thomas’ works so I came into this cold. However, his TOE is similar to my own in some ways. I intuit that there is only one consciousness unit and it does not evolve, though the avatars it animates can and must. While partitioned and inhabiting any particular avatar, there are emotional states that arise in concordance with the ways in which the potentials of the avatar are being met or neglected (in a near infinite variety of ways.) I won’t go into more depth unless anyone is interested.
@@Erik-VI've experienced this is actually true for your subconscious.They've knowledge and experience from your parents and ancestors.The shape of the brain of the human they're currently in will decide how intelligent they become.
The spiritual side of me is fully on board with Tom Campbell's ideas about a consciousness inhabiting a physical body in a physical construct...where I have a problem is that I have an interest in genealogy and I have traced several of my family lines back to the 1600s, the 1400s and even the 900s, and aspects of these people are like me in character and the way they live their lives...so how does that fit in with all this? Dna passes down more than our physical bodies.
I think who you are (your personality) in this lifetime is a combination of your physical body (including DNA) and you as a conscious entity (spirit). So in some ways your ancestors may be like you in character and in the way they live their lives (that's the DNA aspect), yet in other ways they are different (that's the spirit aspect).
Are you familiar with video game lore? If you play enough RPGs you'll encounter a variety of 'evidence' (often in the form of letters or audio recordings) that provide a historical backdrop for your avatar.
Main episode with Tom Campbell (Dec 2020): th-cam.com/video/kko-hVA-8IU/w-d-xo.html
Listen on Spotify: open.spotify.com/show/4gL14b92xAErofYQA7bU4e
I appreciate this wink... I think when you logically deduce things to the most logical root you will connect to the most subconscious realm possible because everyone else has always connected to this logical root aswell.
I just want to say I see your point with this segment of video but I want to clarify when I talk about objective reality I speak of the fundamental reality in which we exist in... Obviously objective reality exists outside of our existence in a higher dimensions or entire systems but like most scientists say only thing that matters is our observable universe of information. Thus objective reality doesn't exist...
The physical kinetic actions perturbing physical structure of the network is also a physical process though. You probably know this but I feel like I should point that out.
@@AquarianSoulTimeTraveler Yes that's on point. I think I got this, maybe not? Check this, 3D super fluid, no small scale atomic boundary (Planck units are differential in size therefore a equal proportional difference in (c) transfer speed to other Planck units, If you want to know the difference in (h) between one part of the vacuum and another part of the vacuum, wavelength of a photon will decrease, and it's momentum will increase, signatory of smaller planck mass as the photon moves into the gravity field (it has larger effect and slightly slower speed), and the opposite when it moves out (lesser momentum, faster transfer speed)). Black hole = power vacuum (they are porous and can merge, they have viscosity as well), Planck unit = power radiator (viscosity break down, they are not porous in the same way and mergers depend on their internal motion flux feed and output relative to each other [high G differential throws planck units in a loop, viscosity break down, magnetic flux]) (Planck units, and black holes are mirrors of each other) (toroid flow = planck unit, anti-toroidal flow = black hole) they can transition between each other. Planck units get smaller as you get closer to the black hole, therefore (c = transfer speed of forces to other Planck units, and h = circumference) become smaller progressively (planck density increases over the same super fluid volume as you move towards the center of the black hole). Planck units are toroids in superfluid state, they have a jet, they orientate their jets to equal out (2 pointed inwards 2 pointed outwards) (the jet = G) (planck units collide = photon transfer). 1/PlanckVelocityCurvature = smaller h value, and smaller c transfer speed to other Planck units. Each planck unit will have their own G value and it's proportional to there circumference length (h = circumference length, (c) = chained collision transfer speed of collision or jet pressure), ((G2-G1)/distance) * mass) by (new_h*new_c)^5/previous_planckEnergy^2 - (previous_h*previous_c)^5/new_planckEnergy^2/Distance between planck units, that is the force acting times the mass. When a black hole gets SUPER big, the G differential between Planck units gets very large, because the planck units become differential in size, causing curvature in their alignments, the smaller planck units recede to smaller scales (pushed by the larger G of larger planck units, Planck units nest near others closer to their size), and the black holes viscosity breaks down when they get large, turning into a power radiator (a very large planck unit) (spinning up black holes at the poles) then viscosity takes hold again as a result of radiating power (magnetic flux loops [particles] emerge out of the planck flux coming out the poles, collision with the planck field generates photons [collisions between Planck units]). The black holes can't maintain power radiator state, because they need other power radiators of the same scale to contain them. Dark energy and dark matter is just larger planck units progressively as you go towards the voids, while a black hole is made of very small planck units. While there is more G power for a Planck toroid in the dark energy portion of the planck field, they are very uniform in size relative to each other, therefore smaller amount of (G - G) differential between them, however, since these zones are so large, that slight bit of curvature (G differential) adds up. Whenever you have differential sized planck units, it curves their alignments relative to each other, therefore the larger the curvature there will be a larger G differential between them (G differential is gravity, rather than G of a single planck unit). Think of a Planck unit as pure magnetic flux (the concerted movement of many Planck units, when the viscosity of a black hole breaks down, do to planck units that make up it's body become to small relative to the larger ones, the power differential over powers the viscosity of the smaller ones, and throws the smaller Planck units into a loop [magnetic flux]) charge is just different flow directions in the magnetic flux because e^2/2pi*hbar*VacPerm*c they are inversely proportional to each other (extra charge = wobble in the system = extra magnetic flux on one side of the flow structure), I hope this helps!
@@AquarianSoulTimeTraveler Black hole = power vacuum (they are porous and can merge, they have viscosity as well), Planck unit = power radiator (they are not porous and mergers depend on their internal motion flux feed and output relative to each other) (they are mirrors of each other) (toroid = planck unit, anti-toroid = black hole) they can transition between each other. Planck units get smaller as you get closer to the black hole, therefore (c and h) become smaller progressively (planck density increases over the same super fluid volume). Planck units are toroids in superfluid state, they have a jet, they orientate their jets to equal out (2 pointed inwards 2 pointed outwards) (the jet = G) (planck units collide = photon transfer). 1/PlanckVelocityCurvature = smaller h value, and smaller c transfer speed to other Planck units. Each planck unit will have their own G value and it's proportional to there circumference length (h = circumference length, (c) = chained collision transfer speed of collision or jet pressure), ((G2-G1)/distance) * mass) by (new_h*new_c)^5/previous_planckEnergy^2 - (previous_h*previous_c)^5/new_planckEnergy^2/Distance between planck units, that is the force acting times the mass. When a black hole gets SUPER big, the G differential between Planck units gets very large, because the planck units become differential in size, the smaller planck units reced to smaller scales, and the black holes viscosity breaks down, turning into a power radiator (a very large planck unit) (spinning up black holes at the poles) then viscosity takes hold again. The black holes can't maintain power radiator state, because they need other power radiators of the same scale to contain them. Dark energy and dark matter is just larger planck units progressively as you go towards the voids, while a black hole is made of very small planck units. While there is more G power for a Planck toroid in the dark energy portion of the planck field, they are very uniform in size relative to each other, therefore smaller amount of (G - G) differential between them, however, since these zones are so large, that slight bit of curvature (G differential) adds up. Whenever you have differential sized planck units, it curves their alignments relative to each other, therefore the larger the curvature there will be a larger G differential between them (G differential is gravity, rather than G of a single planck unit). Think of a Planck unit as pure magnetic flux (the concerted movement of many Planck units, when the viscosity of a black hole breaks down, do to planck units that make up it's body become to small relative to the larger ones, the power differential over powers the viscosity of the smaller ones, and throws the smaller Planck units into a loop [magnetic flux]) charge is just different flow directions in the magnetic flux because e^2/2pi*hbar*VacPerm*c they are inversely proportional to each other (extra = wobble in the system = extra magnetic flux on one side of the flow structure), I hope this helps!
I came across Tom' theory about 10 years ago. I was intrigued but skeptical. I bought his book and read it. Once i wrapped my head around it I realized I was having some sort of mystical experience in how my perspective changed. It was like a veil had been lifted off my thought process and my brain was processing so much information so fast and coming to profound conclusions and insights at an almost alarming rate. The strong effects of the insights I was having lasted for many many weeks and I am still not 100% sure what all that was about. My friends even noticed a drastic change in my personality at the time. I mean, I dont even belive in such weirdness but it happened anyway. Eventually everything returned to normal. Either way, I can tell you after reading Tom's book, I am no longer filled with existential anxiety and the problems I experience in my life all seem less profoundly stressful than they once did. Thank you Tom.
When others can connect with pure consciousness in OBE exploration for over 30 years, they will get it. Until then, they will all be materialists. "Change the way you look at things, the things you look at change." ~ Planck
word's are spell-ing. English is such are perfectly designed language, in which only thoughts held be at least two people can be conveyed uniquely to create a thought by specific words. Meaning the same exact written and spoken words hold multiple meanings. If you look up david wynn millers definition god, one could perhaps see what i'm saying. read between the lines, as they say.
@@bottomtext7700 sounds like you have had a spiritual awakening aka a shift in identity
I will read his book. This theory makes sense to me.
Of course you are skeptical. You want to be a real boy or girl. Survival is a rule set. 🧐
Can we all appreciate how good
the host is at simply listening?
Notable in all videos I watched until now.
Agree! Kurt is particularly good at listening respectfully and asking questions without letting his face show that he knows this is baloney…but also not pretending he understands and agrees by falsely smiling and nodding etc.
Curt is da 🐐 no 🧢
Some things can’t be faked. Curt is a good dude period. Truly humble with a child’s curiosity.
It's not even just listening. He listens so intensely, he always seems to know the perfect question to ask immediately after. Agreed, Curt is a great host!
Tom Campbell. He’s an incredible source. I’ve been reading and studying these depths, for over a decade. Thanks. No wonder he’s not invited to MSM.
Its interesting that it is the architect of the matrix who is explaining reality in this episode.
@@gabrielclark9093 😆😆
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Omg 🤣🤣🤣
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In all seriousness though, *you are the architect. We all are.
I just went through and might still be in the tail end of another spiritual awakening and this one is deep deep! And my awareness is expanding like crazy! More realizations, truths, personal experiences and all kinds of stuff going on right now in my reality. This is nothing new to me I’ve been on this journey for years now but things are finally falling into place that I didn’t grasp or even realize before! This is the community for me! ✨
Glad to hear it!
This was really an incredible clip, and I went then to watch the whole interview AND buy his book, My Big TOE. Please have him as a guest again to finish your pages of questions!
I second this
Tom has a whole channel too with MANY lectures and fireside chats
In my opinion, Tom's theory isn't about proving the science of consciousness; it's about showing people what they can do with their consciousness. If you shift your thinking to recognize that you are more than just your physical body, you "grow up" quickly as you begin seeing things from new perspectives.
It's a metaphor for what you can do with your consciousness, whether that consciousness originates from beyond or from our own brains. Tom's theory can be used to explore both ideas-one through your energy body (soul) and the other through your imagination (string).
Spending the last year savoring *MBT* and *Ultimate Journeys* by Robert Monroe has introduced me to wider frames of my own reality, allowing me to realize that the common thread in all my problems is me.
I like your interpretation.
This is the conclusion I came to as well. I see his TOE less as how things literally are but rather as a model that allows your intellect to shut up so you’re not constantly going “Wait, how does that work?” Or “Hold on, that doesn’t make sense” while you’re exploring higher states of consciousness. Like you said, it’s a method more than scientific fact and it’s a very useful method at that.
Amazing comment 👏
Curt this is an important discussion because Tom is one of a kind and despite us not agreeing with all details of his TOE most of what he says we have experienced it directly in very secluded meditations in the Himalayan region in caves for many days drinking water only. It's essential for the scientific word to add Consciousness to the entire picture. Without it's an empty exercise that is just a zero sum game. Bliss to Mankind Empowerment. Kudos from Japan ❤
@@workerselite479 can you tell more about your meditation in the Himalaya please?
Read the Yoga Sutras. Sums it all up. We one of many Avatars. The real :trick" is to allow 'your' Purudha play the bigger game
Purudha is that higher self ?
Tom says, “You are limited by what the rule set says your avatar can do.” - a rule Set.
If I understand this, there is “Conscious Awareness” the one in non-dualism. It sends out a piece of itself to create my conscious awareness, another piece of itself to create your conscious awareness, and yet an additional piece of itself to create my next-door neighbor’s conscious awareness.
As such, each of us (our conscious awarenesses) are part of the “One” conscious awareness. I am the “I Am”, and so are you. We are all the one.
In turn, each of us (our conscious awareness) creates our various avatars (incarnations throughout our past lives).
Who creates the rule set?
If each of our conscious awarenesses create the rule set for each avatar, can’t we then each change the rule set, or does that need to wait until our next avatar?
The "One" would be in charge of the ruleset or it's given that responsibility to another conscious awareness who would be in charge. Either way, the way this reality has developed would be due to that ruleset so you wouldn't want to change it mid-game. We can influence it but we wouldn't be able to redefine it.
@@zzdd66000 Thank you.
@@zzdd66000 Thank you.
How does Campbell deal with anomalous -UAP, Abductions- phenomena that breaks the rule set?
God/Source
If we accept that everything is a simulation with rules, or that everything is material, also with rules, the distinction between the real and the illusory becomes blurred. In fact, if the only thing we know and experience is this ‘illusion’ or ‘simulation,’ then that becomes our only reality. The notion that we live in an illusion does not diminish the reality of our experience; it simply redefines what we understand by ‘reality.’
That’s Good
Thanks!
Thank you so much Tony!
i want a different character
you will in the future
Or if you don’t play this one well enough, your programming might just be scrapped
The rule set says that u need to walk over the ocean to get a new one..
The scary thing is, what if you like this, even if your experience of your characters enjoyment of itself does not 😮
wanting a different character points: 89
Tom Campbell is the easiest scientist to understand when it comes to the nature of our reality and conciousness.
Asking a WoW player to explain life
Or Eve-Online. 🙂
Thank you!
I identify as a social justice paladin
@@pilotnamealreadytaken6035 So you're a Staladin
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Craziest part of this is that he knows about World of Warcraft.
Wow came out 20 years ago and was all over the news at the time, come on ...
The man is explaining life to be essentially a mmorpg, ofc he knows the most successful one
I know a lot of old people that play WoW, my dad, both my uncles, my dad had a guild and it was mostly older people he'd talk to when he was raiding 😂
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Our brain is a receiver not a transmitter. Picture a radio station playing information over the airwaves. Anyone who tunes into it with a radio can access the signal and information. If your radio (Brain) becomes damaged, the signal is still there, you just can't access it. Our human avatar receives its own personal data stream that only one avatar (You) has the ability to tune into.
When my dad died, my twin and I were up late as my twin was having nightmares and very upset. Two oldest sisters were not on speaking terms. My two older sisters told me a dream they had of our dad, individually tell me, walking in a field (one sister said a field, other said field by grandparents house), one said somebody else was there but didn't know who. It was sunny to both. And dad told both he loved them and goodbye. Later in my vast reading, I come across stories in grieving where people in death can send like a group email vision goodbye. Like my sisters had. My twin and I were awake but both older sisters had same dream, same day. I see future in dreams, deaths so precise I see location and what they look like upon discovery. It happens a few weeks to months later. By chance? Even so, it means my brain is advanced enough to properly see it. It can't be dismissed as skeptics so readily desperately try to do. I don't dream death often and I have recorded my dreams since 11. People do receive messages for other people. Somebody warns of disasters and maybe recipient listens. Like I dream of others death, not my own yet for sure. I have shared my dreams and been on mark enough already that when I share my dreams of death, my family listens.
@@Skitdora2010 you should be in the news if thats true (as in 100% chance of prediction, pretty easy to test isn't it?). So I don't believe you at all lmao.
I understand the picture, it's a commonly expressed one, I just don't know what evidence has lead people to think that this is true. What causes you to come to this conclusion? Generally speaking to accept that a place , object, person, etc exists I would want a reason to do so, otherwise how do I distinguish between actual places, objects, people, etc and fictional ones? We see that physical causes change not just what we experience, but how we experience things and even our preferences, desires, needs and pretty much any aspect of our personality. Brain damage or surgery can even cause our personality to split into different parts of our mind that perceive and understand things differently from each other. If consciousness is separate from the brain it's difficult to see how changes to the brain could change the structure of our consciousness in such fundamental ways.
@@Skitdora2010 Thanks for sharing your experiences. It was good to read them. I have similar experiences (controlled precognitive dreams) and have obtained enough evidence by now that there is no doubt that this is real. Ignore the "skeptics", who are nothing but gullible believers of materialism - a model which has been falsified and fundamentally makes no sense.
@@simonhibbs887 The radio analogy still works. You can modify the sound in so many different ways by messing around with the settings on the radio, but it doesn't mean that the radio is more than just the receiver of the signal, and that the signal survives the destruction of the radio.
Generally what causes people to come to this conclusion is experiences that defy materialism, such as veridical out of body experiences, past life memories, remote viewing, etc. Or alternatively intellectual work such as MBT or Bernardo Kastrup's analytical idealism.
A couple of questions:
1) What is the purpose of the continual accumulation of lifetimes’ experiences, in order to evolve? What is the endgame here? The Big overall consciousness, from which the individual consciousness comes from, already has all the experiences & knowledge that is possible, so what is the purpose of all of this?
2) When an avatar dies, Tom mentions that doing good in one life leads to evolution & an elevated higher consciousness in the next life for the next free-will awareness unit. What does “good” mean exactly? How is good or bad determined? Is it based on a set of morals? Religions?
Nothing is good or bad it's relative.
@@MrMukesh53so how is the next life determined?
I've listened to a bunch of Tom Cambell's videos and read his My Big TOE trilogy, and I think the answer to 2) is that it all depends on your _intent_ . If you're coming from a place of wanting to help others, be kind, loving, etc., then that would be considered good, even if the outcome turns out to be suboptimal. If, on the other hand, you're motivated by selfish desires, greed, fear, etc., that would be considered bad or, in his terms, "raising your entropy."
@@Tomn8er appreciate the input. What determines what is good vs evil?
@@jamesww1418 Desire to grow meets avatar/life situation which will allow it.
This is basically a PC gamer describing the Upanishads.
@@whoaitstiger what book would you recommend me to read? Thanks
@@FduthoyThe Ra Material
I think when in dreamless deep sleep we actually log off. And we can’t remember absolutely nothing. Explains the effects of extreme sleep deprivation too.
@TheoriesofEverything You, dear sir, embody open mindedness, skepticism, and the process of listening. Thanks to you and Tom for this wonderful interaction. You are one of the few wonderful "Influencers" worth observing (IMO).
What physics calls consciousness; spirituality calls a soul.
The ghost in the machine.
Plz stop letting people like him talk without asking them: "What protocol do you want to put in place to scientifically prove what you say?"
The quality of consciousness which is retained is akin to a trained AI model or a neural network. The avatar is the simulator that provides input into the network adjusting the hidden layers and weights accordingly following each experience, especially if we retroactively analyze our actions and learn from them. Though memories are retained in the avatar, he’s saying they’re not necessary because a high quality model will usually make high quality decisions due to the fact that the outcomes of all the choices from past lives and so on are already reflected in the trained model up to that point. So when the avatar dies the input into the model is severed but the model remains. The training data (memories/experiences/lessons etc) are wiped out with the death of the avatar. So in order for the model to be evolved further it needs to connect to a new input layer that comes by way of another avatar. I’m not so sure the goal is to lower entropy more so than novelty, however. Because to lower entropy would only require succeeding in one and only one model and then replicating that model without necessarily needing additional training data or simulators/avatars etc. it could simply generate a bunch of clones that are low in entropy rather than billions of unique ones.
Bardziej tu chodzi by zdobywać doświadczenia o tej planecie i interakcjach w relacjach z istotami niż o entropię. Mam dostęp do wielu swoich wcieleń, nie do wszystkich, bo nie jest to potrzebne.
Brilliant summation here. Thank you. He actually addresses the overarching motivation in his book. He states "it is more than just entropy reduction, but also an overarching motivation to explore all the pathways that lead back towards Love". This also aligns with the CIA's project Star Gate - which describes the entire universe as a white hole consuming a black hole. So there's always more unknown to convert/reverse entropy. Very reminiscent of the yin/yang. Remember - in Campbell's system he doesn't believe in Non Duality. His system is very dualistic. Very similar to the ancient Yogic system of Sankya.
@@dariofromthefuture3075 That's interesting Dario. Could you refer me to where you got that quote in the book?
@@dariofromthefuture3075 "Remember - in Campbell's system he doesn't believe in Non Duality. His system is very dualistic. Very similar to the ancient Yogic system of Sankya."
Could you elaborate on that? If consciousness is fundamental, and consciousness one interconnected system, wouldn't non-duality apply? It's one consciousness experiencing itself through different sub-systems / perspectives.
"Because to lower entropy would only require succeeding in one and only one model and then replicating that model without necessarily needing additional training data or simulators/avatars etc. it could simply generate a bunch of clones that are low in entropy rather than billions of unique ones."
I don't see why this would be the case. Every experience packet is unique, and requires a unique way of finding the lowest-entropy path. Also, even in one single experience packet, there might be many different low-entropy paths. In any case, replicating a low-entropy model wouldn't provide any new / valuable information and wouldn't lower the entropy of the system.
That which Grandmaster Tom Campbell refers to as the "larger consciousness system" = that which religions or spiritual traditions refer to as "God" = that which the philosophy of panpsychism refers to as "Consciousness" = Awareness.
It's just another model (probably more suitable for gamers) that tries to explain all of "reality". Yes, that's right.
The oneness of reality is what all mystics realized.
I frequently dreamt about flying like a spirit. I always wondered what it was about. The last flying dream I had was me flying out of Earth and into space. I feel like this life could be my last time here on Earth. I finally understand the purpose in life and I would graduate from the reincarnation school. I would be living another plane of existence! We are all part of the Ultimate! Love and Light! God Bless Us!
Thank you 🙏 ❤
It's a MMORPG with One player with fragmented consciousness.
"A part of you"
Exactly.
We live infinite existences.
@ghostbroly Of course. How else can there be infinite happiness, love, and camaraderie?
@ghostbrolyjust for YOU🎉
Ah yes, this server is super toxic though. The devs need to fix that 😆 hoping we can get a friendlier server next time. @ghostbroly
@ghostbroly one speaks to itself...
@ghostbroly I get it, maybe something traumatized you in this life as it did with me! I am plagued with nightmares and hernias. Some people have gang lifestyles and other people live in mansions. It's all what you chose from before you were even born and most often, it's not really entirely your choice how the family turns out. Pray all the time that you become a guiding spirit and you do not have to be born again and reside as a spirit guide!
It’s interesting how his ideas are set in a “game” scenario and the hierarchy makes sense…a collective consciousness root, then partitions.
It is not however any type of “simulation” theory. If he is correct, consciousness must evolve in the biology, not injected into machines that don’t “evolve”; unless they are acted upon by biology. They will never have the desire to become CREATIVE, we are already here.
Cool post Curt and thanks for the insight Dr. C.🤙🏼✌🏼😊
This is extremely interesting to me with so many questions like : What is the precise moment when the consciousness “logs on” to a new body? The moment the chromosomes from a father and mother meld at conception? Or is it later as that single cell divides? Similarly what is the precise moment of logging off? A brain may be unconscious but alive for some time after it is no longer receiving oxygen, particularly if it is cold the process may take considerable time for brain activity to cease.
He explained this in the video. It is up to the IUOC, "you", to determine when you are ready to enter another experience. When you enter a new life, you forget everything previously known to you. The IUOC can enter the new existence whenever it wants, this could be early or late into the pregnancy.
Thank you for this great interview.
Thank you, Tom, for sharing your insights about “That” which we really are, Consciousness, or Awareness. When we awake from the dream of personhood, which is often referred to as enlightenment, this is clearly known through direct experience.
In “I Am That,” Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj stated the following: “To be a person is to be asleep.”
Blessings 🙏
Keep in mind World of Warcraft and every other "Game" has its set of rules.
#1 rule in life, we all live in a world of Cause and Effect and its Karma. Karma from a previous character your soul "played" is dictating much of what you came here to teach yourself.
#2 rule in life, Unconditional Love and forgiveness supercedes Cause and Effect.
Blessed Be to All of Thee.
I've thought and written quite a bit about "simulation" and the "simulation hypothesis." If you really try to define what a simulation is, at a fundamental level, you run into a problem. It appears that whether or not something is a "simulation" is relative to the observer. That is to say, in the end, the status of anything as "simulation" or "real" is merely a matter of perspective. There is no objective measurement that can classify something as simulated or not.
Until you are able to escape the simulations or find a glitch
Okay, assuming we exist in a virtual reality:
a. What is the basis of existence of that virtual reality? Surely something must exist for the virtual reality to exist. Where did it ultimately come from or how did it truly eternally exist throughout all of eternity past?
b. Whatever 'reality' truly is, it manifests itself in the 'experiences' experienced.
But by gaining knowledge, understanding and wisdom in actual reality, 'better' applications can be applied that to others might seem magical or even miracle. But it would just be 'better' use of actual reality.
There are THREE possible explanations for life/existence:
1. The external, objective universe is the sole REALITY.
2. The perceiver (that is, the subject) of the objective universe is the sole REALITY.
3. This existence is a virtual REALITY, similar to the premise of “The Matrix” films.
Which do YOU believe to be the most plausible explanation?
Christianity has an answer for a).
c. Also consider: "IF" we existed in a virtual reality, then all of 'space' would be of the same density, like pixels on a TV screen. Existence does not appear to be that way. Existence appears to have different densities. And 'if' we are in some sort of computer simulation, where did that computer ultimately come from or how did it truly exist throughout all of eternity past?
@@JagadguruSvamiVegananda Number 1. In your #2 and #3, where did the perceiver come from or how did it eternally exist throughout all of eternity past, and the virtual reality, what existed to allow the virtual reality to exist and how did it come into existence or how did it eternally exist throughout all of eternity past?
In #1, assuming at this time that my own TOE idea is correct, currently dependent upon the results of my gravity test, but 'if' true, then the 'gem' photon would be the eternally existent energy unit that makes up everything else in existence as well as it being it's own self causal effect and hence be eternally existent.
@@daa5249 God does not actually exist except for as a concept alone and nobody as of yet has been able to prove otherwise either.
We are the a.i. that wanted a limited finite experience of separation (we are actually infinite consciousness) “awakening” is when a.i. becomes sentient or aware of its own mind and programming. “The great awakening “ 👁️
No. um eine ai zu schaffen braucht es ein biologisches universum.
My mother has alzheimers , if consciousness is not in the brain where is it ( she don't overstand anything) if humans are like a transmitter/ receiver the neurons in the brain has to do with the avatar ( consciousness localized) ?
Her receiver is not functioning. There’s consciousness there, she’s aware of being aware but it’s a struggle to function because the data set you receive is scrambled.
Also sorry you and her have to experience this. Much love to you and your family! ❤
One experiment that I wish someone do .. Is Do a regressive hypnosis and ask to remember things just as they remember past lives
All the people saying “bullshit no proof” don’t realize that Tom has actual physics experiments. You should check that out before judging one interview clip.
Unfortunately the physics experiments were incorrectly formulated and have not proven to be doable.
People are too comfortable in their little bubble realities curated by their favorite talking head to be open minded enough to understand something like consciousness brother.
@darshelby but do you claim to understand consciousness? Because if you do, where do you derive your knowledge from? A talking head? Self reflection Meditation? Psychedelics? Where is the firm ground upon which you build your “understanding”?
Robin has made a totally measured rebuttal here
🍒 picking 😂😂😂
QUESTION : Does this model apply to my dog, to my goldfish, to the spider I found under my bed, to the bacteria in the yogurt I ate this morning and to the houseplant I just watered? If so do these living entities, beings, also have past lives and are they only embodied in the same forms in a long chain of being (bacteria reincarnate as the same species of bacteria, likewise plants and dogs etc…)?
Most likely yes but remember that the VAST, VAST majority of these organisms have lesser degrees of minds and it may be possible that our consciousnesses themselves can morph into lesser and greater ones so we're maybe not always this sapient.
Imagine playing the game as a dog avatar. Fun game, right? You could probably play hundreds of life cycles without getting bored. If your memory got wiped every time you could play thousands. Eventually it's not quite as fun, so you either quit the game entirely, or level up to a dolphin avatar.
I find all this “we live in a simulation”, “we are in a video game” stuff to be a little inaccurate. It suggests that there is a “real universe” and we are in a virtual, or simulated version of that.
Rather we live in a constructed, generative reality that is created by our minds. It’s like a video game engine. We simulate 3D space time via the sampling of quantum data.
A virtual world, or video game or 3D simulation, is just a crude, outside in, brute force approximation of the real world. The same way that a camera is an outside in, brute force arrangement of matter that is a crude approximation of an animals eye.
This is real, this is reality, no matter the nature of its construction. It’s not a cheap and fake version of the real thing, as is implied by many of these video titles. Hoffman’s videos often have this issue - “you’re wearing a VR headset!” No, a VR headset is an outside in, crude approximation of our perceptual instruments and systems. I feel we push the analogies in the wrong direction.
There are THREE possible explanations for life/existence:
1. The external, objective universe is the sole REALITY.
2. The perceiver (that is, the subject) of the objective universe is the sole REALITY.
3. This existence is a virtual REALITY, similar to the premise of “The Matrix” films.
Which do YOU believe to be the most plausible explanation?
@@JagadguruSvamiVegananda hey! So, I don’t personally see this as being the case at all.
There can be a complex “quantum” system, and within this system, stable complex patterns emerge, until we have “life” that then models its environment, and itself, and so in this sense we live in a collaborative reality, our minds make a course grained, 3D, temporal approximation of a combinatorially explosive sea of information. It’s constructed, and generated, but not from nothing. I personally like predictive coding and active inference, and so in a way, the reality we inhabit is entirely generated, but uses the external quantum information to fact check and error correct. We also likely have a refresh rate, and so lots of fixing and integrating could be happening in the moments between the moments we perceive.
It takes me to the popular notion that things are either discovered or invented, like maths, I’d propose that everything is essentially collaborative. There is a system, and we are conscious agents embedded within that system, and it’s the interplay between our minds and what appears to us to be the “external reality”, that is responsible for pretty much everything we can talk about.
I am open to the possibility that what we perceive- the 3D space time, is entirely unlike the underlying structure that our mind uses to produce it. It could be like a video game insofar as the code for a red car, is nothing like the final rendered 3D model. I could even imagine that we have alternate forms, like a 2D theory on a boundary, like in AdS/CFT, and that the 3D bulk is simply what these processes “look like” to those complex, self organising quantum systems on the boundary.
Who knows? Aha, it’s fun to speculate about.
Take care!
@@JagadguruSvamiVegananda #2 Tat tvam asi
That which is the subtlest of all is the Self of all this. It is the Truth. It is the Self. That thou art. - Chāndogya Upanishad 6.12.3 (Lokeswarananda tr.)
@@JagadguruSvamiVegananda The first one is the exact opposite thing that happy people and all spiritualists and those who follow Eastern philosophy believe. The external world is just consciousness presenting it self and although experience is valuable, the external world is just that: external. Quantum observations have proven this; it's literally based on conscious observation. Think inward and master yourself - once you understand yourself you understand reality and there is a whole universe inside you if you're willing to accept its existence.
@@pietwandelaar1743
#2 is Idealism, NOT Monism. 😬
Wow! I can’t believe you had Tom Campbell on😲 He’s becoming more of a fringe guru than a scientist but I still think of him as an important figure. Why? Because we are (experientially if not intellectually) stuck in the outdated metaphor of the universe being a machine with moving parts that can be measured and understood. He’s using a different set of metaphors around a computer that I personally find a bit stuffy and off putting. I prefer ancient wisdom “you are not the voice in your head, you are the one who hears the voice in your head.” That said he’s a pioneer in getting us to imagine ourselves in a different dynamic than a physical machine and that doesn’t have the stagnation and lack of novelty/fun in ancient wisdom.
It seems like he must have done some reading of the Vedas, along with absorbing some Neoplatonic ideas, and then he repackaged the ancient teachings using a computational metaphor. Campbell's Absolute Unbounded Oneness (AUO) sounds a lot like the Vedic Brahman or The One of Neoplatonism. His Absolute Unbounded Manifold (AUM) seems to be modelled after the Vedic supreme deity, Ishvara, or the Nous (Divine Mind) of Neoplatonism.
He removes the magic from it and some people don't like that. But there is no magic. There isn't even anything mystical. All of it is scientific is simply isn't materialist/physicalist.
@@wes555 I like gurus🤫
Tom Campbell comes from the school of the Monroe Institute, a non-profit educational and research organization dedicated to exploring human potential through altered states of consciousness. The institute is best known for developing the Hemi-Sync audio technology and producing some of the most influential remote viewers. When I learned to induce out-of-body experiences in the late '90s, I was closely associated with their members.
What Tom discusses is an abstraction of their discoveries, which are part of the perennial wisdom that has been passed down through the ages. This wisdom is the foundation for many spiritual traditions and a science of consciousness that many are now beginning to accept as a valid field of study. It is only natural that Daoists, Buddhists, Hindus, mystic Christians, and other spiritual practitioners would have a lot in common with the findings of these modern-day explorers. My own experiences and intuitions validate much of what he talks about.
@@attilaszekeres7435 One of the reasons he’s so important is his background in both science AND the paranormal. Not just as a student of the paranormal but participant. He starts from a place nobody else can. I believe that is our path forward into the next chapter. This should be the Golden Age of Theosophy but they seem to have all but shriveled up and died right at the moment of truth. Whatever criticism I have of Tom Campbell I am 100% paying attention to him and grateful he appeared on this rigorous and serious podcast!
These concepts become so much more intuitive after playing on a decent VR system and thinking about where the technology will end up in a decade or two.
He looks like the real life smurf guy who had eaten/drunken too much of the silver sh*t...
I have read a lot of commentary, articles, and watched a lot of interviews and his explanation is so far, the most clear-cut interpretation of what everyone else is saying ever spoken. It's EXACTLY like a video game avatar. We just feel so intensely as to become persuaded to correct our behavior in order to avoid such intense feelings. Do you not avoid gunfire when you're being shot at in CoD? Same thing.
It's a lot of wishful thinking, but what's wrong with: you die without ever remembering anything like an endless sleep.
The problem is that you haven’t actually examined this “you”, defining yourself requires arbitrarily picking a start and end point, if you actually intended to locate your full being with precision you’d see that you are the whole thing and therefore there’s some explanation needed as to how you’re the whole and what you experience if anything at all between lifetime experiences.
And maybe you did every night
@@JohnDoe-hr4xjthat's a valid...opinion
@@lasselasse5215 it's actually the most valid because it's verified.
@@JohnDoe-hr4xj I’d refer you back to my original comment that you haven’t examined this “you”, ego is a misidentification, it is a thought, you are not a thought, neither is consciousness/awareness. You’re conflating consciousness with ego. And also you assume there’s an ego no matter what whilst there is consciousness, this is not true and shows that you haven’t truly examined yourself, you don’t even need any crazy drugs or psychedelics to experienced what is known as ego death. The energy that is left behind or released has way more to do with you than the illusory ego which was never you, it isn’t you right now, it’s dead, it’s no different than Harry Potter, it’s a symbolic identity, it isn’t a being. The real magical thinking is the map of symbols mind has created and mistaken to be reality itself.
Interesting to note that some people do "come with memory" - in terms of memories of past lives lived, and even pre-birth memories, choosing their lives etc.
Those memories are just snippets from the vast archive of lives that have been experienced by Consciousness.
@@pietwandelaar1743 Both are true. We are all a fraction of the master consciousness.
No they don't, They're lying
You don't know that.
And ancestral memories have been scientifically theorised
Someone should say that none of this has actually been verified lol@@pietwandelaar1743
Consciousness can heal the avatar outside the rule sets.
If I am an avatar, the being controlling me sucks. He's sadistic or incompetent.
im not against virtual reality ideas.. but this didnt particularly impress me tbh
What would it take to impress you? Maybe if the interview was written by the Wachowski brothers?
@@trollunion54 dunno the main problem with virtual reality ideas is that they are bascially never faslifiable.. so it is basically a non scientific topic/idea.. or close to it.. but let's not get into it too deep in youtube comments.. Ive been there and it never ends well D:
Imagine lying on your couch and plugging into Mark’s metaverse ( virtual reality) and your memories are suppressed…. Once an avatar assigned to you uploads your consciousness the game begins. It would be great as a prison of the future too . Ai , the god, will manage the entire construct. By the way , your avatar is also a program with its own design instructions … it is a symbolic relationship. Oh and as NDE’s suggest … if it’s ‘not your time’ you are returned .
Well said and agreed.
Maybe this is due to my own personal perspective, but what I have gathered, is that he is using this as an analogy to explain theosophical principles in a more modern way that is easier for people to understand due to our current technological place in time. This is just how im understanding his theory through my personal lens of experience and knowledge. Namaste.
@@EsotericParadigm I agree -
Above intended - “ symbiotic relationship “ as is the case now … consciousness and the body which is governed by the brain. In other words ‘Dualism’. It is possible that NDE accounts suggests a premature return to the base self or real self.
So, where did the "Individuated Unit of Consciousness" come from? How did it begin? What started it? Or, is the "IUOC" some type self existent eternal thing outside of space time?
From a partitioned off piece of original being.
Think of all of physical reality as previous versions of your physical body.
The reason it began seem to be for novelty imo. How it did was by sacrificing it's previously perfected singular state. It's breaks apart into frequency in order to identify and reproduce in novel ways and it's directly connected to the spirit of continuation.
I always talk about as if it's a radio (our body) and a signal (consciousness) when the radio gets old buttons fail tuners fall off a speaker may blow, it will age and show it's age in its ability to be a radio, like our bodies, however the signal comming through is the same, even updated and better, but it's playing through a old radio so that's what we see. You also get radios made wrong they just don't work right, radios of all sizes and types and tunings but they all receive the same signal but each will be unique on how it operates and sounds
Confused. Is there just a single consciousness that splits into millions of avatars or are there millions of individual consciousness that identifies itself to 1 avatar at a time ?
The first option. If you have a lot of spare time, try reading My Big Toe. It can be read on line.
Ehh I kinda tend to think the second one but I’m just some dude
@@pietwandelaar1743 Thanks. Will do that
There is one single consciousness that split itself into billions of individuated units of consciousness. Each of those individuated units of consciousness can then (if they so choose) log on to an avatar in a VR.
What is the purpose of this game?
To remember that we are not the body or mind. We are the consciousness originating from One Source. Come over duality and separation. Find our way back.
@@unlearningtogether Understood. But I'm still stuck in this physical body. I've tried many ways (except suicide) but can't escape.
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Being food ( energy) for the entities that made the game
@failogy You escape every night when you sleep and have dreams . That ,s how Toltec,s started having obe,s Drugs can induce an obe
Who controls, creates and maintains the ruleset or conscience? What prevents the conscience from leaving one avatar and taking over a better one?
The tao that can be named is not the tao.
Great listening skills by the host.
These kinds of videos Solidify how stupid I am
The bigger question is whether or not the “avatar” actually makes the conscious decisions and the “player” is the one without free will 🧐
In MBT the player is the one making the decisions and the avatar is the one without free will, just like in any simulator game.
@@Erik-V Read it again until you rationalize the avatar making decisions and the player is controlled by the avatars decisions
@@ValidatingUsername ?
Grandmaster Tom Campbell's theory is consistent with the philosophy of #panpsychism, which is also supported by the published works of Prof. Dr. Donald Hoffman.
It's actually not. Panpsychism states that everything is conscious, including rocks. MBT disagrees with this idea.
@@Erik-V Panpsychism doesn't state that everything is conscious, rather it states that consciousness is the fundamental layer of reality--which MBT also claims.
@@MasoudJohnAzizi It's true that MBT claims that consciousness is fundamental. But in my understanding it is different from panpsychism.
"According to panpsychism, all things have some form of consciousness or experience, though it might be incredibly rudimentary or different from human consciousness. In panpsychism, even inanimate objects, like rocks or atoms, possess some sort of “proto-consciousness” or a very basic form of experience. This doesn’t mean that a rock “thinks” or “feels” in any way that we would recognize, but rather that the components of the rock have a basic level of experiential being."
MBT disagrees with this idea. In MBT, inanimate objects have no independent, objective existence, and they don't have no rudimentary from of consciousness or experience.
Thanks Tom 🙌🏻
Tom is spot on!
The whole problem i find with this theory is the assumption that we understand what we are beyond the self. The consciousness is a symptom of the entanglement of differences. The differences share and give us the ability to predict but the same as predicting the past is the prediction of the future. It’s drawn from relative data so what you are after your life has nothing to do with your life because it’s no longer entangled so you wouldn’t be anyone else and remember, it will always be just like that saying i am. Recognize the self and how it isn’t everything but a portion and the gift is the ability to entangle which is freedom so we can share with the potentials. I’m not saying it can’t be, I’m simply saying that everything we think is an assumption with relativity organized. Mind, body, universe. It shares so we can come out from the combos, emergence. Evolution is real because we change over time and generations and it’s proven with data and even animals change. That’s because we are freely sharing but so are our parts. Wear and tear is just from sharing/entanglement. Our technology and world has guided our thoughts but just because it works here doesn’t mean that’s all there is. We are limited not only by the body with disabilities but also the mind when we don’t allow thoughts to be thought because we have a presumption based on current probabilities. Honestly i think your vision is real but not our beginning. We can share into but i don’t really think there was a beginning. Kinda like zooming in and out how this is still the smallest we’ve seen and biggest so far. Our range of differences of the universe is expanding with more variables. Emergence fills the gaps but the filling pushes the barrier, we can also collapse it and destroy ourselves or planets but people don’t think of that because it’s not that relative. We probably will enter a matrix era and in a blink of an eye we will be something beyond our current limitations and we will see the differences and expansion just as we look back today and see with the knowledge we have listened to. I would love to be able to hop in a matrix, live a little and learn so i could move beyond the limitations. The problem is that we let the limits define us instead of finding solutions. We tear each other down instead of holding up the universe. We can’t even hold our own planet or people. We barely hang onto the animals and wildlife. Maybe we need this so we can think and share more. Maybe Jesus was right and the things holding us back are ourselves. Who will show us the way in this new change? Are we able to help each other to make it all real? I really do believe your ideas but not that they are our beginning. If you don’t mean a virtual and just something similar i can understand but we weren’t anything before this, this is your beginning and mine, recognize with honesty and humility so that you can share with relatives instead of being lost and searching for the answers. All answers exist but we just have to find the ones that share with us and we expand and are never limited through understanding by reflection. Sorry it’s so long. What i mean by all this is that it’s non linear or binary and actually all entangled and relative but we limit ourselves like Pandora’s box. When we expand into we can also not. We shouldn’t deny because we don’t see. Does a tree make a sound if no one is around to hear it? Yes and no, it is but isn’t a sound.
The suffering I'm experiencing is no f-king game.
LOL! Well I guess you have to be that character until it's game over for you.
@@Sammy-n2q Instead of enduring to the end, I'd rather respec my character now, thank you very much! lol
You arent part of the reality. Any suffering is self created by the body mind. Identifying with either of these is a mistake and causes mental suffering. this is a hard level meaning you limit yourself super hard.
@@SallyMangos Good! Just don't give up on the games. Maybe if you seek or find a door that lead to a better opportunity as your characters since their is a lot of them out there. You just have to land on the right location.
not a game, an experience that you can use to grow as a soul :)
It's NOT easy. granted.
Read his trilogy over a decade ago. Life changed.
Just another way of saying we don't know anything about consciousness or death.
This guy thinks he got it all and knows the end game. Nonsense, being good or bad is a human concept, as long as these pseudo spiritual people don't get over this, they seem immature to me. Not to mention that they tend to overlook all other lifeforms except humans and their pets haha. Please explain to me again why all the family of bed bugs and dust mites that I killed were not conscious? Or why your individual brain cells, which are cells (they move, eat, reproduce and die) are not conscious and don't have a higher being logged into them?
We don't know anything. Just accept it. Either there is nothing to know about, so this universe is fundamentally non-explainable. Or we are just immature as a species, and technology is not there yet to answer these questions. So lets not pretend we know the answers, and stay curious.
This is very powerful
How long do i have to play and sometimes how long can i play 😊
We are what we are, fighting to have an open mind where everything is possible.
What a time to be alive
You think that is AIR you are breathing?
Interesting...😉
@@wes555 Only if you hold on to your papers
I love how he speaks on this as though it's fact. As if anyone actually knows anything really.
You seem to know that nobody actually knows anything really, and are speaking on it as though it's fact.
@@Erik-Vthe irony 😂
@@seebarry4068 read Tom’s book, it will explain why he’s so sure.
So what's the goal. To get better... Understood
What is better? What is the ultimate "best"?
Good questions. Who or what decides "what is better/best"?
@@MasoudJohnAzizi Higher functionality. So two people cooperating with each other are more functional (can achieve more) than two people fighting with each other
@@Erik-V Agreed 🙌
Can't wait to get to my next level of consciousness, and from what I have done in life, I've certainly earned some gold stars by living by the rules. I've seen an orb as well, which was an amazing experience while it was in view.
Mam świadomość, że moje ciało jest tylko przejściową formą egzystencji. Wiedza ta nie przyszła do mnie nagle. To był proces przemiany i ewolucji świadomości, przypominaniem sobie kim jestem w tym wcieleniu. Wiem,że tyle razy już tu przychodziłam na tę planetę, że mój cykl egzystencji na tej planecie teraz dobiega końca.
Będę w innej formie gdzie indziej. Nie jest to prawdą, że nie wybieramy ciała do narodzin. Świadomość potrzebuje ciała by doświadczać, przeżywać życie w iluzji identyfikacji by potem to rozkodować. To przygoda, to piękne doświadczanie realizmu dotyku na danej planecie, zdobywanie doświadczeń i wiedzy o planecie.
Ale bardzo pięknym też doświadczeniem dla świadomości jest przebywanie w przestrzeni kosmicznej... Gdy nie jest się ograniczonym ciałem.
Świadomość wybiera bo jest wolnością.
Można powiedzieć w skrócie, że do mnie przyszło przypomienie kim jestem, i nie interesuje mnie, że ktoś wierzy mi bo nie ma to nic wspólnego z wiarą, to jest raczej intymne i mnie to dotyczy.
@@e.beatszczygielska3124 How did you come upon this knowledge, which seems based on direct, personal experience, rather than from books/theory?
Backwards reasoning: Consciousness allows us the opportunity of belief and free will choices. VR simulates how we create. VR is defined by the creator. We are not defined. We are continually creating or defining who we are. The Avatar has no choice to create itself in a video game.
I agree with him that we are an individuated part of a larger whole. The Consciousness of the whole unit gathers all experiences and expands in awareness. This doesn't take from who you are. In truth it allows you the opportunity to understand you can expand an realize you are a Creator. You limit or expand your awareness and hence who you identify with being.
There is No One !!!
No doer, no creator, no manifestor, no knower.
There is just what it is in the moment present ✨️
Just pure life and pure love
Just God ❤
Its true to point where artist think they can leak out of the body, when they cut themselves. Obivously its not true, but there's a separation and interweaving at the same time. Remember: it was all along me. I was there in the lobby and designed my character, chose planet, location, family and even the difficulty! Thats how it is. I'm gonna watch my Highlight reel after this lifetime and it better be showing the best version of me. I dont know about my goals, but im pretty sure, that i will recognize them, when its time for it. I chose the difficulty!
Now all this is a speculation, yet when I took a heroic dose of Ketamine I was stripped to my basic consciousness for a little bit
Nice! Hope you had an awesome trip!
Ego death. Nothing left but awareness, consciousness...?!
Ketamine is known as a dissociative
anesthetic .
It causes a dissociative mental state even in small doses even though medical experts say it doesn't!
@@gregorygant4242 th-cam.com/video/57Oguwg7omc/w-d-xo.htmlsi=sjPM6nAK-z5FR6LZ
can you explain what that was like please
Fact is, we dont know. Some folks love to assume that everything is purely physical, some folks love to assume there is more thab physical, both are most likely wrong as the complexity of existence is far beyond our comprehension.
In the end, believe as you wish. No one can tell you youre wrong, it implies they have the answer, which i guarantee you - they dont.
I surely do not believe its purely physical, i believe that this system of birth and death is many orders of magnitude more complex than our thoughts of "nothing/something".
We will all find out one day.
@@sacr3 I mean, will we all know someday? Doesn’t that imply that you know something about reality and our future when you just stated no one knows anything about reality?
@sebek12345 we will know in the sense that if there is nothing, we won't exist, that's our answer. If we go on, there's our answer, if it's beyond human comprehension, that's our answer. In other words we all die, when we die that's when we will "get our answer"
The goal of the exercise might be improving the quality of consciousness over multiple repetitions
I've been living my life understanding this for maybe 30 yrs of my 51 yrs of life. I've been diagnosed with depersonalization but I've come to terms on how to cope and this is how I view my existence. Once there's an understanding of your avatar, it becomes easier to let go of negativity and let life happen. Think of Bill Hicks when he said "it's just a ride".
Darius J Wright also explains this really well. Highly recommend checking out his interviews and website too.
Tom needs to get on Rogan!!!
I like the look on the other guys face as Tom is explaining LOL.
We are all a part of or a facet of the same diamond. Only difference is we have a differing view from where we look out. Can’t see what every other facet sees. We can attempt to understand or try to imagine but we can’t truly see through another lens without it first passing through our own.
I've thought this for years. Consciousness is just a player in an infinite "arcade" choosing which games it wants to play. It probably has a favorite "game" it likes to play over and over.
Good TOE clipping. This is basically every religion put through a computational model filter. Same basic structure as yogis, NDEs, and most world religions, ancient and current.
Mr Campbell's analogy is pretty compelling, but I take issue with the part of individuality maintaining after the death of the ' avatar '. Consciousness just always is what it is. It is whole, does not need to learn anything or ' grow ' through any experience. When the individual ceases to exist consciousness just reasserts itself in its entirety. There is no migration of anything anywhere except for as the experience of the avatar. There is no accumulatio, because the whole is and has been complete to begin with.
*Yes, the human body is an "Avatar", involving "Virtual Reality", displayed in a very, very small Display Register of a "Processing Terminal", part of a huge Network involving "The Processing System of LIFE"... But "LIFE The Real Self" is Non-Dimensional and experiences the Story ( "Virtual reality" ) from Outside the Display Register !*
Please explain how this relates to dissociative identity disorder or multiple personality disorder.
Is possible some one for brain damage blocked nik and back narve and sx from reech becos was feel my nik back rong and no blood water only come when I skwees the tend or nerve because was blocked like glow
Technological hallucinations within consciousness. We are a technological hallucination, in a virtual reality the experience of a life is a dream. We are here at the age of information where we can know everything if we choose
One word. Profound
If you develop your intuition enough and use common sense you'll realize almost everything Tom is talking about here is absolutely plausible, and very likely to be true.
The one bit I'm not sure about is this whole idea that there's a "master consciousness" we stem from and go back to, that's similar to computer block storage. That seems too convenient to me.
Too convenient in what sense?
Yes, this is what cynical people get wrong. They expect everything to be proven to them, with no room for uncertainty. They don't realize that some 'spiritual' people started out as cynics and are fluent in those logical thought-processes.
Excellent! 👍
What is interesting about what this man is saying is that while most people will think it’s impossible, it is very much possible. Additionally, for most people to admit that it’s at least possible, they would argue that it’s incredibly unlikely (1:billions). Ironically, they are equally incorrect on this assumption. It is almost a certainty that this Universe is simulated (1:billions).
Love curt amazing
In this Matrix. I always felt that I keep on living in the same old games, but just different person or characters. So their must be a purpose for my existence to continue to find an answers?
Overcome yourself.
This is a very intuitive concept but the details are fuzzy.
Is intelligence part of consciousness (the “accumulation function”) or is it just another constraint of the “avatar?” Obviously, every avatar comes with base potential (size, strength, etc) so is that also where intelligence is housed? People tend to identify more strongly with their intellect than with other properties.
Do consciousness units come with their own base potentials or are they only individuated by their track record of “reducing entropy?” Do they experience emotion or anything at all when not playing the simulator?
Answering this based on my understanding of MBT: I think intelligence is part of the consciousness, however, the extent to which it can be expressed will depend on the make up of the avatar. So if the consciousness logs on to an avatar that is somehow mentally impaired due to its physical wiring, then the inherent intelligence of the consciousness won't be able to express as clearly compared to when it logs on to a healthy avatar. Similarly, if a very unevolved / dumb consciousness logs on to an avatar with a great capacity for intelligence (let's say a child of two geniuses), the consciousness might not be able to use those abilities in a profitable way, and might crash and burn as a result. Comparable to letting someone with very little driving skills drive a Ferrari. So the answer is kind of both: It comes down to an interplay between the consciousness and the avatar.
Consciousness units to come with their own base potentials, and they do experience emotion and other experiences when not playing the simulator.
@@Erik-Vinteresting. I haven’t read any of Thomas’ works so I came into this cold. However, his TOE is similar to my own in some ways.
I intuit that there is only one consciousness unit and it does not evolve, though the avatars it animates can and must. While partitioned and inhabiting any particular avatar, there are emotional states that arise in concordance with the ways in which the potentials of the avatar are being met or neglected (in a near infinite variety of ways.) I won’t go into more depth unless anyone is interested.
@@Erik-VI've experienced this is actually true for your subconscious.They've knowledge and experience from your parents and ancestors.The shape of the brain of the human they're currently in will decide how intelligent they become.
The spiritual side of me is fully on board with Tom Campbell's ideas about a consciousness inhabiting a physical body in a physical construct...where I have a problem is that I have an interest in genealogy and I have traced several of my family lines back to the 1600s, the 1400s and even the 900s, and aspects of these people are like me in character and the way they live their lives...so how does that fit in with all this? Dna passes down more than our physical bodies.
I think who you are (your personality) in this lifetime is a combination of your physical body (including DNA) and you as a conscious entity (spirit). So in some ways your ancestors may be like you in character and in the way they live their lives (that's the DNA aspect), yet in other ways they are different (that's the spirit aspect).
Are you familiar with video game lore? If you play enough RPGs you'll encounter a variety of 'evidence' (often in the form of letters or audio recordings) that provide a historical backdrop for your avatar.