Why the Church is Losing the Culture War
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It’s not enough to have a creed. We have a creed. We are right about ultimate truth, about how we should live our lives, about who we are, where we came from, and where we’re going. Our creed tells us that, but people aren’t merely rational. People aren’t drawn to mere assertions of the truth without some window dressing - and, in fact, they’ll happily embrace well-dressed falsehoods.
Nobody is going to buy into a #creed when the people who profess it, don’t act like it’s the kind of thing worthy of its own distinct culture. Culture is the music, the art, the literature, the rituals, the #worship, and the way of life that is proceeds from that creed.
Culture is the embodiment of creed, or more accurately, the embodiment of religion and a creed cannot survive if culture does not bloom out from its roots. The culture of the Church bloomed for 2000 years, until we decided, in the interest of not being too assertive, or perhaps because we took it for granted, that we could discard it.
In our struggle or diplomatic dialogue, however you see it, we sacrificed the thing that motivated us, that renewed us, that made us attractive, that made us an alternative. We did something that countless martyrs died trying to prevent.
Take for example, during the Protestant Revolution, how revolutionaries were seized with that old, embittered spirit of iconoclasm. They stormed sanctuaries of churches and monasteries, smashing stained glass windows and destroyed all the sacred art they could find.
But in the immediate aftermath of the Second #Vatican Council, it wasn’t some previously unknown adversary who vandalized our sacred spaces. We did it ourselves. We were seized by that same spirit, but with the added ingredient of what Pope Benedict XVI might have referred to as a pathological self-hatred.
We literally brought jackhammers and other instruments of destruction into our own sacred spaces and set to the unfinished work of the revolutionaries. We abandoned the expressions of our faith that had aroused the affections of countless generations for the creed we professed, and perhaps, even, the respect from those who didn’t profess it.
And it didn’t stop with ornaments, altars, paintings, and statues, we abandoned our language, our songs, our architecture, our ancient rituals, even our calendar of feasts, as if all the other concessions weren’t enough.
In place of the #culture we self-sabotaged, we either contented ourselves with the nihilistic emptiness of the aftermath, or we tried to synthesize elements of other cultures into the residue of our own. We were convinced that this would make us more attractive to non-Christians in our evangelistic efforts.
All we have to do to attract them to a creed they don’t want, is offer them a culture they already have, but much less sophisticated because we don’t have the resources of, say, Hollywood, and much less authentic because it isn’t actually born out of our own creed. We’re just play acting at someone else’s.
And as we should have expected, there was no wave of converts. Instead, there was a mass exodus which continues to this day.
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I was raised as an atheist by formerly Catholic parents. It took me 48 years to convert, my deranged education messed up most of my life even though I’m saved now. It’s important to educate children in Catholicism when they’re young.
Thank you for sharing this important point. God bless you!
@Radagast
Are you still " fallen from the faith"?
Praise God,,
Glad you heard and said "Yes" to the call of our Lord.
And I agree with the scriptures..
" How will they hear unless there be a preacher".
@Radagast
Aweee bless your heart.
I left the Church at 13. I wasn't about to kiss no bishop's ring.. 😂
Besides they lied to me about Santa Clause ,the Easter bunny, tooth fairy,
And I was supposed to believe this Jesus stuff.......long story short ...
If it were not for my personal experience with Jesus himself....at ages 7,,12,,,21,,once in my 30's and other circumstances I too would be apostate.
Like Thomas I needed those direct contacts and visitations to keep any faith whatsoever.
Today I am Catholic ( confirmed 12 years ago) because of 2 reasons.
#1 I know the reality of Jesus Christ and his resurrection personally
#2 I know Jesus instituted the Church and the Catholic Doctrine to be true and if followed can lead a person to Christ and resurrection with him.
Believe me when I say those are the only two reasons I am Catholic.
I have many complaints against our priest ,religious, and layity . And I did not Join the Church for fellowship or friends,
If that were the case I would have never been confirmed.
I hope you don't mind if I pray for you.
Believe me when I say " of sinners I was cheif " ...my resume for Christianity is undoubtedly worse than the Apostle Paul.
Hang in there Sister, the Lord "will graft you back in again."
@Radagast are you an atheist now?
Currently the biggest task in my courting relationship is affirming together that we want to be a Catholic couple and not just a couple. We want to have a counter-cultural life not just a comfortable one, we have to choose to be different or else we end up on the wider path that leads nowhere.
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic.
He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on.
The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north.
In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin"
The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind"
The sun is "The light of the World"
The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea.
"He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays.
Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo.
The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass.
The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12.
The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30.
The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes.
The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected.
The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe.
In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun throug the heavens.
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@@Gamefan86 Your ignorance is cute
@@Gamefan86 lol except for the fact that Jesus is a documented historical figure 🤷🏽♀️
@@Gamefan86 Your ridiculous copypastas don’t work here.
@@Gamefan86 🥱
I'm pleased to find there is, in fact, a yawning emoji. Never had to use it before.
My parish was blessed in 2011 with a new, traditional priest who did away with "altar girls" and "eucharistic ministers", brought back the communion rail, renovated the 1970's sanctuary (it's beautiful now), offers Traditional Latin Mass at least twice a week with all others said ad orientem, and incense is used at every Mass. The parish is now filled with young families with four or more kids, and counting. Of course many boomers left, but many young families travel an hour or more to come to my small town.
Awesome 🙏
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic.
He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on.
The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north.
In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin"
The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind"
The sun is "The light of the World"
The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea.
"He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays.
Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo.
The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass.
The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12.
The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30.
The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes.
The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected.
The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe.
In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun throug the heavens.
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Death to the Boomer Rite.
That is wonderful! You are very fortunate and I hope it continues. The TLM I began attending last year is now faced with the possibility of being shut down by our bishop.
What's the problem with eucharistic ministers?
WOW. Amazingly put. Please share this with every Catholic you know. I have never heard it expressed so clearly. I am 68 and I miss the Catholic culture more than anything in my life. I have no doubt that the traditions of the church saved my life during some very, very dark times. it was like a beacon in the darkness.
I agree 🙏
So encouraging that younger folks are seeing the same as I do. I, too, was born in the 50’s and have lived through the decades of culture war against tradition.
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic.
He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on.
The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north.
In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin"
The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind"
The sun is "The light of the World"
The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea.
"He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays.
Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo.
The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass.
The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12.
The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30.
The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes.
The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected.
The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe.
In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun throug the heavens.
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@@Gamefan86 you need to repent because you are lost. Christianity gave us schools and hospitals. What have atheists offer?
@@Gamefan86 you are pretty good at spouting neo gnostic garbage. Easy to debunk by just reading the early church history and the Holy Scriptures. But it has that same nutcase logic that wacky conspiracy theorists espouse. You have truly outdone yourself although somebody taught you these trashy myths.
This was excellent. I joined the church this Easter. I was a very well convinced and knowledgeable Protestant. Years before I became Catholic the one thing that always captivated me, despite my abhorrence of what I perceived to be Romish superstition and papist idolatries, was the beauty and cultured I saw in movies and books.
Going to my first mass was extremely disappointing. The church and liturgy, despite being reverent, just left me with a sense of liturgical poverty and incompleteness. It boggles my mind why anyone would want less beauty and meaning infused elements.
Serious question, what does removing beauty and meaning/symbolic elements benefit?
To answer the question, I think that having less beauty and symbolism in church is perceived to have the benefit of being more welcoming to secular incomers because it’s familiar (being based on secular culture), thus easier to enter into the church. This perception is probably incorrect because if someone expected to see Catholic culture on display they shouldn’t end up seeing contemporary culture on display instead; at what point does an incomer move from the “familiar/relevant” atmosphere into a more authentic and profound “set apart (holy)” one, how long do we keep them at the entry level?
Perhaps economically it also makes it easier to build and maintain when intricate sculptures aren’t involved, but that doesn’t entirely explain why existing floor tiles would be covered with bland carpet.
I think a short answer might be the out with old in with the new. Also hubris in thinking you can improve on the traditions that built your faith. Many, many, church's were gutted and replaced with dreck.
Beauty and deeper meaning are perceived by some as elitist and exclusive, and thus an obstacle to “authentic” or “true” Christianity, which is misperceived by some as ideally simple (read: childish). It’s a refusal to accept that Christian living is a process, not a single event. Understanding of deeper meaning and appreciation of beauty are higher level thinking skills. These skills start being developed in middle school, but not everyone develops them to the same level. You might think of it like this. Denying beauty and deeper meaning exposes those who never matured culturally AND who are bitter about it and don’t want any guidance. In short: denying these prevents embarrassment. Sounds like pride to me.
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic.
He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on.
The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north.
In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin"
The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind"
The sun is "The light of the World"
The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea.
"He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays.
Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo.
The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass.
The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12.
The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30.
The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes.
The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected.
The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe.
In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun throug the heavens.
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@@Gamefan86 Given the channel and the question in this post, your reply is unhelpful and really inappropriate. When Our Lord Jesus Christ comes again I pray you are confessed and have received communion. Happy Sunday of Divine Mercy.
We don't need to produce a new culture, we need just embrace our traditional culture unhesitatingly again.
that culture is gone there is nothing to embrace
@@Mike-qc8xd My small town parish, which has been completely transformed since 2011 by returning to traditionalism, says otherwise.
We must also enrich it, as all the other generations did. But we must build on a good foundation, and what better foundation is there
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic.
He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on.
The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north.
In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin"
The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind"
The sun is "The light of the World"
The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea.
"He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays.
Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo.
The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass.
The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12.
The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30.
The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes.
The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected.
The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe.
In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun throug the heavens.
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@@Gamefan86 No
I'm glad to say in my city we have Parishes that embody an authentic Catholic culture. We have beautiful Liturgies in both forms, homeschooling groups, Adoration throughout the week, occasional Processions, Nuns in habit etc. This makes a impact on people, myself included.
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic.
He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on.
The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north.
In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin"
The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind"
The sun is "The light of the World"
The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea.
"He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays.
Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo.
The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass.
The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12.
The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30.
The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes.
The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected.
The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe.
In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun throug the heavens.
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@@Gamefan86 no you are incorrect. I'm not going to get into every point you made right now, they are simply made up. Trent Horn did a video debunking some of these if I remember correctly. That being said, the fact you are placing such emphasis on "sun" and "Son" is enough dismiss the rest..the similarity sound of the two words exists in English and The Scriptures were not originally written in English at all.
You just quantified and beautifully explained a lifetime of yearning and heartbreak for me. I'm 60 and have watched everything unravel over my lifetime and if we could implement what you are describing it could be saved. I don't know the way forward but thank God for you because you are promoting an awareness of these things in the crazy times we are in. Please continue this work!!!
Amen to that 🙏
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic.
He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on.
The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north.
In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin"
The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind"
The sun is "The light of the World"
The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea.
"He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays.
Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo.
The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass.
The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12.
The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30.
The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes.
The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected.
The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe.
In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun throug the heavens.
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@@Gamefan86 sun is very crafty to gather up 12 followers so they can follow it for three years. no doubt very crafty.
Brian: We need to address the glaring problem of why people are leaving the Church.
Me: It’s the sex scandal, right?
It’s the sex scandal, right?
IT’S THE SEX SCANDAL, RIGHT?
Brian: It’s new ideas!
Me:
The scandals are a symptom.
Enjoy yourself as much as you like if only you keep from sin.
~ Saint John Bosco
I am Episcopalian. In 1979, our new Book of Common Prayer began to embrace the new culture that Brian refers to. It has been a disaster for the entire Anglican Church.
This is so true, "offering a culture they already have" so often is the mistake made by people trying to make the Church attractive to outsiders
Brian, this is one of the best videos you’ve put out yet. You put simply an issue that is unbelievably complex. I pray that I might in my lifetime see a revitalization of tradition in the mainstream Catholic Church. We have to be the boulder standing against the currents of modernism and liberalism, a light in the dark. The gates of hell shall not prevail!
Unfortunately, I don’t think we will see this for a while. Maybe in a hundred years after the current traditionalist correction replaces much of the episcopate.
But we are not a boulder not even a pebble. We have been washed away by the currents of time and we don't even know it. We are the last buggy whip maker and while we have the best buggywhips no one needs us
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic.
He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on.
The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north.
In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin"
The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind"
The sun is "The light of the World"
The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea.
"He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays.
Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo.
The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass.
The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12.
The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30.
The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes.
The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected.
The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe.
In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun throug the heavens.
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@@Gamefan86 okay bud lol
I attended my first TLM on Easter and I have never God’s presence more in that moment. It was one of only 3 Catholic Churches in Southern CA that still has the mass available. I am Protestant and haven’t converted yet. The worship services in the churches I had attended had always felt strange and off-putting to me and I left church for a long time. I came back and I am considering becoming Catholic.
Have you heard Brian's conversion story?You might enjoy it.
Isaac Sousa No, but I will. I just started watching his videos. Thanks for the suggestion!
@@Lexster918 it's a good starting place then. I believe he started as a hard-core rocker atheist, then took a very rational and methodical approach in choosing which faith to invest in. His discussion of various Christian branches was fascinating.
Glad to hear it, reach out to a traditional parish, also the Eastern Rite Catholic church's are worth exploring. God bless your in my prayers.
Praying for you!!🙏🙂🙏
As an outsider, I see the depth and beauty of your traditional liturgy and chants. Why is going back to that not good enough or 'new' enough for you? Kudos to you to bring up your family by example. For too long, parents have basically expected the church to raise their kids in the faith. Wrong. Parents do that.
Thought-provoking analysis of our current state of affairs. Oddly, I always thought the practice of using incense disappeared because of people having respiratory problems. Now I think you could be right that it is just part of the retreat from art, architecture, music, and other traditional parts of the Mass. Thanks and keep up the good work.
If that were true, the elderly priests would all have respiratory issues, which wasn’t the case. Nah, they just wanted to destroy reverence.
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic.
He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on.
The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north.
In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin"
The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind"
The sun is "The light of the World"
The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea.
"He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays.
Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo.
The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass.
The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12.
The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30.
The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes.
The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected.
The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe.
In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun throug the heavens.
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@@Gamefan86 Interesting thoughts. Are there others who share them and have written about them? What civilizations worshipped these sun gods? I would be interested to see more about these ideas. Who are the authors and what are their books that I should look for?
How do these ideas take into account the historical references to Jesus? Josephus comes to mind. Which of the myths you refer to has a man crucified on a cross? On the cross, Jesus says "Father, Father [or Abba, Abba], why have you forsaken me?" -- clearly a reference to the 22d Psalm. Which of your myths has a dying man [or God] reciting the opening line of a poem/song that, in a few words, imports traditions, stories, context, and values from nearly a thousand years before? The point is not that the Gospel writers could tack on whatever they pleased; rather, it is that Jesus and his followers, enemies, and audience knew and understood these references. Do any of the myths you describe contain a literary reference that reaches back 8 or 9 centuries to explain -- well -- what is happening at a crucial point in time? To me, this is the kind of detail -- it is deeply personal and at the same time literary -- that lends credibility to the Biblical narrative. It has the kind of strangeness that appears, or even shocks, in the course of events, and is remembered for its strangeness; at the same time it is so strange that it strikes me as doubtful that a later author would gratuitously add such a detail.
No one has to subscribe to the numerous and personal reasons I believe what I do. At the same time, you won't convince me to believe otherwise with sweeping generalities.
Am I missing something? You go far beyond the scope of Mr. Holdsworth's premise that the Catholic Church should not be so quick to toss out traditions, aesthetics, art, and practices only to replace them with new, empty words and gestures that cave to relativism. Are you even addressing his points? If so, which ones? Do your comments have anything to do with my earlier observation about incense? Are you part of the discussion we are having here? Or are you just saying it makes no sense to discuss the finer points of Catholicism because it's all just a myth anyway? If that's your point, why did you listen to Brian's essay in the first place? I admit that I have been baffled by many so-called discussions or comments on You Tube in the past and maybe this is just another one of those times. There is certainly no obligation to reply to my thoughts expressed here, but I would appreciate any clarity you might bring to the discussion.
@@rosezingleman5007 Idk about that. I know a few people (not a lot) who were allergic to incense, and so Christmas and the Triduum were very difficult, if not nearly impossible, to attend. So these people with respiratory problems due to incense exist, but maybe not even a significant minority, per se.
Great content and thanks for these thoughts.
Brilliantly put! Thank you so much!
"Culture is the embodiment of religion"
Well said!
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic.
He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on.
The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north.
In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin"
The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind"
The sun is "The light of the World"
The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea.
"He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays.
Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo.
The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass.
The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12.
The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30.
The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes.
The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected.
The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe.
In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun throug the heavens.
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John The Baptist: But, I was just doing my job, Officer😌
Officer: Yeah, but you’re a guy and she’s not🤔
To paraphrase the old adage: “if you don’t stand for something, you’ll fall for anything”. My separation from the church started when Vatican II CHEAPENED our traditions and devotions, it was confusing and sad to me. Christ however, has never ever given up on me and now I am on my way back. In the end: Christus Vincit!
Vatican 2 didn't cheapen the church. It was those who decided how to implement it did. Do you think the constitution cheapened America?
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic.
He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on.
The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north.
In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin"
The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind"
The sun is "The light of the World"
The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea.
"He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays.
Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo.
The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass.
The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12.
The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30.
The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes.
The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected.
The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe.
In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun throug the heavens.
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The Novus Ordo implemented a new false religion. They even changed things such as Stations of the Cross and blessing of Holy Water.
"if you don't stand for something..."
They should have had that on Wehrmacht belt buckles, or tattooed on the bodies of the Hale-bopp suicide cultists.
There was a lot to admire about El-Hajj Malik El+Shabazz but that saying was not one of his better ones.
As a Protestant, Don't give up your culture! It is Beautiful. I am a Missouri Synod Lutheran and appreciate the traditional (Some of Luther's writings notwithstanding). When I was in the Army and deployed down range, I would often Attend a Catholic Mass over a service ministered by a Baptist. It is more familiar to me (I would talk to the Priest prior to service and we understood the limitations of my participation). Currently, I live in Germany and attend an Anglican English Speaking Church, and I appreciate the traditional aspects of it.
About the Culture and traditions of the Church, The Beauty of the traditional Catholic culture and traditions, is that it binds people over time and not just space. I love to say the Apostles' Creed and Nicene Creed, as I can imagine folks 100 years ago, 500 years ago, and 1,000 years ago saying the same creeds just a different language. That is warming of the soul and psyche in a way that nothing in the cultura populares can compete.
Movies and TV shows today use nostalgia for that same reason. Stranger things, Guardians of the galaxy etc use 80s and 70s music to link to the past, and give the present day some gravity. We could anchor ourselves in this way. The culture and tradition of the church should be magnified not morphed.
The message of Jesus is eternal, and therefore timeless. It is as relevant today as it was 2,000 years ago.
May God Bless you all.
(apologies if this is rambling, it is still early)😉
Good post , God bless , consider contacting a Traditional Catholic or Eastern Rite catholic community , I will keep you in my prayers.
Thank you for this video, as challenging as it is to contemplate the task ahead of us.
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic.
He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on.
The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north.
In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin"
The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind"
The sun is "The light of the World"
The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea.
"He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays.
Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo.
The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass.
The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12.
The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30.
The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes.
The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected.
The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe.
In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun throug the heavens. .
At 10:50 in, I realized something: Catholic daily practices look more like Buddhist or Hindu lay practices among householders than they do Protestant daily practices. I just don't understand Protestantism at all. There is no beauty, no ritual, no profound. It's just "Bible study around a dining room table" or "Super-Bible Brothers" video game or any other consumer nonsense disguised as religion. I've been to churches of every denomination, Mosques, Buddhist temples of each sect, Hindu temples, pagan gatherings, and a Sikh Gurdwara. I understood each to be a religious event...except low protestant churches. The services held there seemed to be more of a combination rock concert and motivational speaking event that takes place in what has the look and feel if a Hyatt conference room. I went looking for a religion, and I found religions...and one strange phenomenon that wasn't a religion at all.
And I am not a Christian, but even I don't understand what Protestants could have against incense. What did the Wise men offer to baby Jesus at the Nativity? Frankincense and Myrhh. And what are they used as? Anointing oil and incense. Also, didn't God himself tell Moses to offer up incense in Exodus 30:34-38?
Also, one thing I've noticed is that just about every religion on Earth has places not just to gather for services, but also to go and pray. Catholics have churches open for anyone to go and pray or maybe practice adoration. Hindu temples are open for individual devotees, Mosques are always open for individual prayer, Shinto shrines, Buddhist Temples and Taoists shrines are open for anyone seeking to meditate and gain solace alone. But low Protestants? They have big, sterile buildings in which they only gather for one day out of the week to sing, jump around and hear a talk and then said building is closed for the rest of the week.
Low Protestantism is just an all-around unnatural religion.
Protestantism is the reason western society has become what it is.
Brian, this was a very good explanation. The 5"-8" mark is stated beautifully. It is something I've been thinking a lot about lately but could never quite express it in words
Hi Brian I just stumbled upon your video. You make some really good points. I am a British evangelical Anglican just about begin a degree in Theology. Just subbed, thanks 😊
I want to thank you for these insights, Brian. I'm traditional Catholic, but didn't really understand the way to transmit the faith to my children through culture. The reason I became traditional Catholic though, was because that liturgy and culture expressed the creed of the Faith in a way I never saw in the novus ordo. I'm not sure you can go forward without going back first...
Why has the Church faded into irrelevancy and suffered a haemorrhage of the faithful?
Simple reason: We prostituted ourselves by evolving the Gospels and doctrine into one of quick fixes, comfortable believism and material prosperity. In a pathetic effort to attract crowds, we butchered worship into a means of arousing emotion, hype, consumerism and sentimentalism. We strip true worship of its transcendent sacrificial element and turned it scarcely any different from a concert and a charismatic Ted-talk.
And what's so special about that? It's only a matter of time before the crowd thinks you've outlived your use for entertainment and hop right to the next venue for that dopamine fix, as if church is one of the many options for mere gratification. You win audiences, but you don't win committed disciples. Instead of warriors, you produce wimps.
Evolving doctrines? What would that achieve? All it proves is that you're sorely lacking in integrity. Compromising, in order to attract people, makes you untrustworthy. And that is why hemorrhages happen, especially from those who feel "let down" when God or Church seemingly "disappoints" them, because we have done an excellent job making them feel swindled when the reality of baptism & discipleship comes to the doorstep.
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic.
He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on.
The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north.
In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin"
The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind"
The sun is "The light of the World"
The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea.
"He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays.
Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo.
The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass.
The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12.
The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30.
The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes.
The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected.
The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe.
In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun throug the heavens. .
@@Gamefan86 and somehow the apostles are so willing to be gruesomely tortured and killed for this plagiarised deception or legend.
Are you hearing yourself?
@@kaneki_ryuzaki3249 @kaneki_ryuzaki The Jehovah's Witnesses were rounded up as part of the Holocaust (which the Catholic church had soooo much to say about at the time, amirite folks?).
Unlike the other victims, they were given the option of recanting their faith. Very few of them did, and the majority went to the gas chambers.
Are you hearing yourself?
Excellent video Brian ! 👏🏼
Good work man
Very well explained!!
Thanks & God Bless!!
Finally figured out
how many/most changes
away from tradition
have happened
but this vid gives
more of the WHY
to hold steady
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic.
He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on.
The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north.
In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin"
The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind"
The sun is "The light of the World"
The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea.
"He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays.
Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo.
The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass.
The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12.
The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30.
The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes.
The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected.
The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe.
In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun throug the heavens.
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Thank you so much for this! Completely makes sense.
Not even finished yet. This is a much needed message, thank you for sharing your wisdom!
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic.
He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on.
The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north.
In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin"
The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind"
The sun is "The light of the World"
The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea.
"He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays.
Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo.
The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass.
The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12.
The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30.
The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes.
The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected.
The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe.
In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun throug the heavens.
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@@Gamefan86 can you cite your sources
Thank you for this. Love n blessings from Sydney Australia.
What is happening in our world is about intelligent evil.......surely?
One of the most absolute disasters that has happened in our culture, mothers left the home for careers and dumping their newborns and toddlers into daycares(modern day. Orphanages) Monday thru Friday. A child’s formation, morally, personality, learning that they are loved is shattered and mental illness such as anxiety, anger, inability to connect with others sets in at such an early age. For Ripperger says the Church teaches it is a mortal sin for women to work outside the home with small children, *unless it is absolutely necessary *. Because God created mothers to be mothers, and to raise their little ones. Priests stop teaching this when the church was infiltrated with wolves in sheeps clothing. And our American children are neglected in the most important years to build the foundation of love in their souls needed for God and neighbor.
Well, it’s kind of a good thing. Because eventually the Holy Ghost will get fed up with humanity’s disrespect. Then if and when Islam takes over there’ll be no more whining, backbiting, or criticizing the church. Why? Because Jesus will be like, ‘Get it yourself!’✌🏽
Wow. So backward. Only men should work? Ridiculous. You can’t live a decent life on just one average salary. Rent. Mortgages. Food.
@@mitrahispana4119 yes, you can absolutely live a decent life on a man’s salary. Lots of large Catholic families are doing it right now. And if another income is absolutely needed, some of these moms are making sure they work in the home for extra money. There are lots of ways I see moms working from home to stay with their infants and small children, and keep the housework going. And you’re not overstressing and over exhausting moms.
@@TinLizzy1 love ur reply.
This is one of your best talks!
My church is not TLM, but we have incense at every mass. Recently visited another N.O church in in central Alberta recently, my kids (5&8) both commented they missed the incense and the singing of Kyrie Elesion at our church. I'm really glad our parish brought back certain things that have been missing.
This was very good. I have typically been more lifeteen than Latin, but you make excellent points!!
Thank you for mentioning the Creed often.
I just sat through 13 weeks of a "Catechism/ Catechism review" for adults, and in the end the Catechumens didn't know the Apostle's Creed nor where the Gospels were at .😢 At least the Gospels we're mentioned and the Bible was referred to ,,thank God.
My people perish due to lack of knowledge.
We ought to follow Saint Josemaría’s advice and read some every day. Opus Dei makes an egregious work on evangelizing the population - but it was slandered relentlessly in the last years.
@@lorenzolozzigallo2589
I agree,
" One should fall asleep while reading the scriptures" St. Jerome I think ??? 🤔
@@lorenzolozzigallo2589
Are you or were you involved with Opus Dei?
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic.
He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on.
The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north.
In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin"
The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind"
The sun is "The light of the World"
The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea.
"He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays.
Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo.
The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass.
The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12.
The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30.
The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes.
The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected.
The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe.
In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun throug the heavens.
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@@Gamefan86
That is very good research my friend.
I finally meet someone who wishes to debate that has done their research.
Astrology and numerology have a large and important place in the Holy Scriptures.
The Magi prove this to us for it was their "worldly" wisdom that lead them to the Christ in His infancy.
It is most important to remember that
"All creation is a manifestation of a Living God in whom we live and have our being."
Therefore we can look to the sciences and see glimpses of a living , intelligent, Creator.
It is only fitting that the "reality" we perceive with our frail human senses would reflect a much greater Reality that is pure Spirit .
The object created has only the characteristics imparted to it by the Craftsman or Artist and that object reflect the desires of the one who does the work.
( You should see my art work, be glad I am not the Creator... 😂 )
I can only add one suggestion to your studies and contemplations.
Seek and ask Our Creator about this Myth concept.?
I studied comparative mythology for a time and found the similarities very abundant.
Yet there is one thing I found that no mythology could do for me, and that was a personal experience with Jesus Christ Himself.
If you read the Readings for today's Mass ,
after Jesus rise from the dead he appears to his followers. He shows them he is Alive and Lives forever.
I too was this doubting Thomas who couldn't believe unless I too actually saw Him.
This is where the myths end my friend.
I too have seen and meet Him alive and in person.
Jesus Christ is the fulfillment of every myth and religious concept that man has been seeking . It is no mere story , nor is He a concept of good moral principles and teachings.
Jesus is as Alive today as He was when He appeared to His people 2,000.years ago.
I am not sure why He only Chooses to physically show himself to those of us who are hard headed and stubborn? Yet at times He does.
Jesus also told those he showed himself alive too that "blessed are those who believe and have not seen " (Him in the resurrected flesh).
I truly understand your heart in this matter and pray that if you never come to know the resurrected Jesus Christ in this life, that you may meet him in the hereafter.
I would also encourage you to have good will toward your fellow man as you seek the reality of your Creator, this will go a long way and is a maximum benefit to you and us all.
Be Blessed
Lonnie
+t+
I think this is a good, albeit incomplete answer. It's true that huge that there's way more to culture than an explicit set of propositions ("I believe in ..."). Abandoning our music, architecture, liturgy, language... etc. has made it harder to make cultural progress.
I contend, however, that if we had retained these items we would still be losing. In the US, for instance, Evangelicals (the lowest of low-church worship) are having the biggest cultural influence and the most stable demographics (factoring out immigration). In Latin American, many people are leaving Catholicism for non-Catholic Christianity despite the fact that that they are guilty of everything that this analysis would suggest leads to cultural "defeat". Eastern Orthodox and Eastern Catholic Churches with a rich tradition and liturgy are still fairing quite poorly when it comes to retaining and passing on their faith (I know that there are strong convert communities within these traditions, the non-convert Churches are still fairing poorly). Given the abundance of counter examples, I don't think it's as simple as "hold fast to tradition and flourish, abandon tradition and whither" since there are plenty of examples of the opposite.
I suspect here we need the Catholic both-and. Yes, rediscovering our rich spiritual and cultural heritage that has been accumulated over the centuries, but also finding ways to tell stories and communicate truth in a way that resonates with people. A sort of Hegelian synthesis.
I couldn't find the words but you did. It's not all on culture, we are losing on other fronts. Especially in developing countries (in which I reside). Churches with "less structure" are drawing more crowds because they are going out there and professing what Christ has done.
This why the Church called for the new evangelization.
Thank you Brian, for this beautiful exposition of what the catholic culture is all about. You description of. family life is priceless!
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic.
He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on.
The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north.
In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin"
The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind"
The sun is "The light of the World"
The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea.
"He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays.
Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo.
The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass.
The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12.
The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30.
The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes.
The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected.
The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe.
In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun throug the heavens.
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Beautifully explained, Brian, the way we abandoned the faith .. that we ourselves destroyed our own tradition.
Wow! Loud and clear…beautiful
May God bless you and your family
Excellent. Thank you Mr. Holdsworth.
BEAUTIFUL! Well done.
Great analysis and I also loved hearing about your family ritual prayer. One problem with current Catholic culture in US is Trad vs NO which sometimes divides us. Where I live our Cathedral and also our local campus church, as well as some other parishes, are in a period of renewal of the NO Mass by bringing back traditions, devotions, recentering the tabernacle, adding back incense better music and art, etc. adding back some Latin too but, at the same time maintains the vernacular and keeping our priest facing us during Eucharistic consecration in the spirit of how Jesus likely performed the first Eucharist. This has brought in so many people, especially young families. Win win. We don’t have to disdain TLM or VII. We can fix the problem.
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic.
He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on.
The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north.
In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin"
The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind"
The sun is "The light of the World"
The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea.
"He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays.
Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo.
The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass.
The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12.
The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30.
The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes.
The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected.
The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe.
In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun throug the heavens.
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Much edge.
C'mon guy. Don't be the troll.
@Retta Roo, I feel this way too.
Novus Ordo vs Traditional Catholic is good. Truth and Error have no fellowship.
All spiritual warfare is fought on the battlefield of human freedom. The devil cannot subjugate human beings by force. He cannot simply overpower their free will. Thus the devil cannot destroy you, he must get you to destroy yourself.
The majority of Christians are well aware of this fight on the front of morality. Most of us know that the devil cannot force us to sin, but instead he tempts us in all sorts of ways and with lots of subtlety.
There is, however, another front to the battle that the vast majority of people are completely unaware of, and even if they are vaguely aware of it, they know very little about it. I speak of the front of ideas and philosophy. The devil recognizes something that the vast majority of people do not. Ideas have consequences. More over, the consequences of ideas, in the long run, are much much bigger than almost anything else.
In a certain sense, moral temptation of the individual is always the end-game. People are more important than cultures. People are everlasting, cultures are temporal. However, when individual people live in a good culture, they are furnished with all manner of defenses that make the devil's job of tempting the individual to sin, much harder.
If the devil can twist culture, he can effectively produce whole generations of people that have almost no defense against his assaults. They won't even be aware that they are under attack or that their souls are at stake, or even that they have souls.
Through the gradual twisting of ideas and philosophy, the Devil can get whole generations of people to destroy themselves almost as a matter of course.
When people think of the culture wars, they tend to think of the last 50 or 60 years. The reality is that the culture war we are in now, began in the 14th century. We have been fighting and losing this war for over 700 years. Moreover, it is not like we started a journey 700 years ago and it branched hundreds of times and could have gone hundreds of different ways. The place we find ourselves in today was the inevitable destination, and our course has not branched significantly in those 700 years. Ideas chart an inevitable course.
What happened 700 years ago that set us on this course?
It was a foundational change in philosophy. A series of ideas, championed by William of Ockham and Marsilius of Padua (and probably others as well) the most important of which were Nominalism, Extreme Voluntarism, Duplex Veritas, and Caesero-papism.
These ideas together gave birth to the Reformation and the Modern era. Ockham was the birth of reductionism, his nominalism has been called by Peter Kreeft "metaphysical skepticism", it was the beginning of the end for metaphysics.
The first practical result of all this was a little noticed, but world-changing shift in how language was used. The philosophy of language went from viewing words as directly linked to metaphysical realities to viewing words as simply the currency of logical argument.
Prior to that change, words were understood to name real things, and there was a real relationship between the word and the thing it names. In this view words have objective reality and meaning. The word tree is really connected to tree-ness. The word tree, in a certain sense was a phonetic incarnation of the idea of tree-ness. In this view the word "tree" is misused when we use it to say untrue things about trees or tree-ness.
Ockham reasoned that "tree-ness" did not exist as a real thing. Rather it was an invented category that we use to organize the world, but it only really exists in our mind. Thus the word "tree" can't truly relate to or incarnate the thing "tree-ness" because tree-ness doesn't exist and isn't a thing. As a result, the word tree can only be an arbitrary label that we invented to enable us to reference the made up category of "tree". As a result, the word tree simply exists for the commerce of thought. Thus the word is only misused when it is used contrary to the rules of thought-commerce, ie logic. Thus words are only logical tokens.
This change is technical enough, and obscure enough, that most people probably never knew it even happened. Even to this day most people's eyes would glaze over if you started talking about this, and many people would see it as completely unimportant and irrelevant. Yet this change in idea literally changed the course of the world and set us on the path we are still walking to this day.
The kind of cultural destruction we are talking about in the culture wars is not a matter of decades, but of centuries. In this kind of fight the enemy cannot simply go for the heart. Rather the enemy must move from defense to defense, dismantling each defensive step along the way.
The enemy never could have succeeded if he just put forward deconstructionism in the first barrage. Deconstructionism could never have succeeded without first having swept away major elements of classical western philosophy. The minds of even the 16th through the 18th century were still too well defended for that attack. Only by the 19th and early 20th century were minds sufficiently undefended to be able to accept deconstructionism.
Likewise, trans-theory would never have worked before deconstructionism had completely taken over and before the ideas of Foucault had become entrenched. In order to produce a society that is so anti-human and so destructive of humanity, you must first embrace a philosophy that completely misunderstands what human beings are.
The last 50 to 60 years are not the culture war. They are the beginning of the end-game plan of a war that has been waged for over 700 years. The fact that almost no one is actually aware of this, should in itself tell you exactly why the Christians / Conservatives have lost the war.
Do you know any good books one can read on this subject?
Thanks! Nail on the head again.
Thank you
Thank you for this Brian! Been striving to maintain our Catholic culture and identity for so long that I forgot how to better articulate the wound (and need for it to be healed).
Have a blessed Easter brother!
In Christ,
Andrew
Me too
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic.
He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on.
The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north.
In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin"
The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind"
The sun is "The light of the World"
The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea.
"He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays.
Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo.
The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass.
The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12.
The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30.
The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes.
The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected.
The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe.
In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun throug the heavens. .
You are a great example and I wish families I know would pray like yours does.
God bless you! Wish they could SEE your way of family prayer!
Very articulate! And true 👍
I am a alter boy. Should I ask the priest to use incense not just on special occasions? We attend the Novus Ordo.
If I were you I’d take a poll of the congregate perhaps after mass has ended and try to get a feel for how many of them prefer incense and why they prefer it; that is what effect does the incense have on them. I would imagine the majority of the people would affirm that they like it. Then you can go to the priest and assuming you also prefer incense let him know you prefer to have the incense and state your personal reason why and then explain that so many others that you’ve polled also prefer it and give some of their reasons.
If you don’t enculture good and authentic Catholic living in the home, workplace and elsewhere, don’t be surprised when your kids grow up and say they were never taught the faith. If you are hands-off and wait until they turn 18 and leave the house to cohabitate with someone you do not approve of, THEN you want to tell them about morals? Help me understand how that works. I can only see it as a lifelong development that is begun in childhood.
True 🙏
Well done Brian God bless you in your ministry Deacon Larry
Not a Catholic but it's always nice to watch you dude.
God Bless you Brian!!! 🙏
How?
I began serving Mass at the age of nine in 1958. I have witnessed the whole thing. Brian, it wasn't the case that the great majority suddenly decided on all these innovations. They were imposed from the top - very high-handedly and insensitively. Many odlies were broken-heatred but they were talking to a brck wall. By the later 70s I would hear people say about 'The Changes', 'Well I didn't like it at first but I got used to it. After 13 years of trying to follow 'The Changes' faithfully (I counted them) I began to look more critcally at the whole thing. I have now been supporting the SSPX for more than 25 years. What you say about culture is bang on.
Could not agree more. Build it and they will come. Right?
That is so incredibly sweet about the incense and toddler 💕. This was one of my favourite videos, had an epiphany. Brilliant. Brilliant. But how do we continue in this age where everything feels like we've shaved off all culture into what looks like sterility to our children , who we (at least me ) are DRAGGING to mass every Sunday.
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic.
He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on.
The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north.
In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin"
The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind"
The sun is "The light of the World"
The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea.
"He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays.
Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo.
The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass.
The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12.
The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30.
The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes.
The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected.
The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe.
In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun throug the heavens.
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Much edge. Very bait.
@Deb9ra Gorton, diving into living the faith at home has been huge for me. Celebrating saint days (each of my kids has a "name day", we don't celebrate all of them), doing things for Lent and Advent, stuff like that. The parish isn't the whole thing.
Very sound.
It is so hard to listen to this, not because I disagree, but because I wholeheartedly agree and it pains me to my very core.
I converted from Protestantism about five years ago, and I’ve realized that there are few people in the local Catholic Church practicing a daily traditional Catholicism.
This isn’t an excuse for me not to try, but simply put, it is difficult to find an authentic Catholic culture to emulate.
When visiting a new country or culture, immersion is what is most recommended. How do I immerse myself in a culture that is not being practiced by many in my region?
It isn’t hopeless, but it’s frustrating.
“Meet people where they are” taken to its sad conclusion: to meet the world made ugly, we’ve made our Churches ugly. To meet the world made pagan, we’ve stripped Catholic devotions from our Churches. To meet the irreverent world, we’ve made clown Masses. And then we’re surprised when people leave the Church and very few enter
That's a succinct summary!
@@BrianHoldsworth it’s more cynical than i want to be… I’m sure the saying can be used in a literal way: go to the slums or brothels if that’s where people literally are, but i doubt “to the poor i became poor” was intended to mean “to appeal to the Protestants I abandoned Tradition and the Eucharist”. Thanks for your work, btw, i always enjoy your videos
None of that is why people are leaving.
I think in the UK the CULTURE war is already lost. This a secular society now. As a very long term practising Catholic…daily Mass…..I feel more and more alien to the society that surrounds me! +
The culture is only lost when you give up. Support those around you, uplift your craftsmen so they can do great works. As Brian notes in the video, attracting people to the culture starts with building the "brand".
Spot on!!!!!
Stated very well.
I think we are just behind the times... And I don't mean we need to catch up.
On my channel I focus on the beauty of Rome and how that is upheld and founded on the beauty of the Faith... Yet, I see all the quick bits of video on baroque Rome and how that trends. I ask myself daily - how is this?
As you said, we abandoned our culture long ago. Our identity. Our patrimony.
You've done an amazing job explaining the problem. But I'm very puzzled by your suggested way of going forward. If the Vatican, through Vatican 2, has been the iconoclastic force against that culture and tradition, who is "we" when you say "we don't necessarily need to bring back the culture we've lost, but perhaps we can find something new going forward"? Do we want the Vatican to lead the charge on that?
I'm not saying this with ire towards you, but I agree that the church has made a tremendous error in going down the path and it's gone. As a lifelong Protestant recently converted to Catholicism a year ago, I would plead with the whole Church: FORGET accommodating the Protestants!!! Forget it! Protestantism was in error, and most of them today are charging headlong into becoming just like the world, magnifying their error. Their salt has lost its saltiness, big time . We don't want to embrace that. I came to the Catholic Church because there are still parts that retain some of that glorious tradition in contrast to the way the world (and Protestantism) is going. What a wonderful breath of fresh-air it's been! We absolutely should be returning back to traditions the Church has discarded. Just my take on it.
A belated welcome home ! , keeping you in my prayers, God bless , good post.
A masterful explanation, Brian. Thank you. In terms of how to respond, I suggest everyone read the book "How to Win the Culture War" by Dr. Peter Kreeft. He also has TH-cam videos summarizing his book. For a deeper exploration of the root causes of the culture War, I recommend the book "The Unintended Reformation: How a Religious Revolution Secularized Society" by Dr. Brad Gregory.
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic.
He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on.
The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north.
In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin"
The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind"
The sun is "The light of the World"
The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea.
"He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays.
Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo.
The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass.
The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12.
The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30.
The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes.
The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected.
The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe.
In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun throug the heavens.
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I've never found Kreeft's work to be very convincing. He's an arrogant rhetorician, a very good writer of words, but an unconvincing crafter (Kreefter? ha!) of arguments.
I think you are partly right. We do need to live our faith. Christ called us to love our enemies and pray for them. Instead of arguing to prove our righteousness we need to fall on our knees in prayer.
"Protestant" here. I have mixed feelings about the icons and statues of Catholicism. On the one hand, I love going to museums and seeing beautifully painted scenes of the Bible, depicting characters we know and love even though we don't know what they looked like. I love visiting Catholic Cathedrals and looking at the stained glass and vaulted ceilings, etc. On the other hand, there are a lot of Catholic churches that have cheap, plastic statues acting as space-fillers. And when going into a Catholic's house, the things hanging on the walls are usually made in China. And this stuff turns me off. I also don't like the idea of bowing, kissing, or praying before icons and statues. The Bible seems very clear against that and I cannot wrap my head around how Catholics justify it. Also, culture is important, but I'm more interested in the culture of freedom, honesty, integrity, etc. and not liturgy. I recently watched an old Rick Steves he did on Easter in Europe. And the Catholics have all of these beautiful traditions, but I couldn't help thinking to myself... "if only these people were Christians all year long and not just during the holiday, Europe wouldn't be in the problems they're in." Protestants clearly do not have the most beautiful churches or decorated houses, but in my experience protestants are generally much more versed in the Bible, true-believers, and faithful all year long, not just during the holidays. That being said, the protestant church is in extremely bad shape now, too, and I even hesitate to call myself one, albeit for other reasons.
Check out rum runner 's comment here in the comment section. I personally agree with it.
I'm Catholic and for icons and statues I see them as good to look at and remember the saints they represent, I don't pray to them. As for Europe though, Europe is actually largely atheist, unlike the US which has a lot more Christians. You do have a point about a lot of Catholics being Christmas and Easter Catholics however there are also many of them who attend Mass regularly. The Catholic Church has a variety of people who have different levels of faith and practice.
You're right, and it's something I've been saying for years. The sad note, though, is that the average person, churchgoer or not, just will not support the craftsman so he can break away from just trying to make ends meet and reach for the stars. That cheap chintz made in china that you talk about... that's all the people will support. Hand-made pieces take hours and hours to make, and that costs money. As a blacksmith, I would love to forge beautiful candelabra, but who is going to cover the costs of the fuel? Even if I do it on the side, between jobs, there need to be enough jobs to cover the costs of experimenting with new things.... and if I have all those jobs, I don't have the time and energy to do anything else. In the old days, the great works we see today were only made possible because one artist or craftsman got the attention of someone wealthy who would pay for it. Today, we have great things like Subscribe Star (www.subscribestar.com/three-rivers-forge) that allow the average person to pitch in and do that "crowd funding" thing, but getting people to kick in even a dollar is a job of work all in itself!
As Brian says, culture, the brand, is vital to not just attracting new people, but forging bonds between the practitioners. What you build is what you are known for. If we don't support our craftsmen, how can we have nice buildings? If we don't support our craftsmen, how can we have those stained glass windows you admire, or the beautiful statues lovingly carved from stone? It all begins and ends with us, the people.
@@threeriversforge1997 Amen.
Well the Bible does tell us that God told the Hebrews to build the ark with angels on it, and that box was holy enough to venerate what was obviously inside of it. So actually the Bible clearly justifies what we do. Christ didn’t tell us to become iconoclastic Muslims.
On the other front, Protestants might go to church weekly, whereas many modernist Catholics only go twice a year. Correct. However, you’re judging a bunch of Catholics who are actively disobeying God and His church in our eyes. We know we are obligated to attend every Sunday at minimum. I think you’ll be surprised at the holiness of the kind of Catholic who attends every Sunday and Holy Day in our calendar.
The story of your son recognizing the incense as prayers was beautiful.
Praise the Lord!
Holy families, like yours, are the answer.
Liked the comment about the belief that incense may be "unbiblical". As I recall the gospel of St. Matthew, the visitors from the East offered the infant Jesus incense. Also, I don't recall that Mary and Joseph recoiled in shock and told the Magi to take back their pagan, idolatrous frankincense.
Just to underscore how much cultural decay has occurred already and how unequivocal the reality of terminal cultural decline is, I will notify all here that I can confirm that the State of New Jersey has amended its birth certificates to read in place of the child's mother and father, parent A and parent B. I am not making this up.
The material world will be made barren. The TRUE FATHER AND TRUE MOTHER of the CHILD shall be recorded and celebrated in our Church.
“give back to Cesar what is Cesar's and give to God what is Gods."
Same in Portugal. Although “progenitor” sounds even worse to me.
It gets worse, there are Children's Hospitals that facilitates the whole trans surgery abomination , including drug therapies that the known potential side effects in another time and place would be criminal.
@@Gamefan86 Just for the sake of honest and fair discernment: what if it’s the other way around? What if the Creator came first and thus made His creation accordingly?
@@mmvr2680 just a troll he won't respond. He just copied and pasted that mythicisit nonsense everywhere.
I suspect part of the negative responses also had to do with the economic state of affairs, particularly since the 2008 financial crisis and the decimation of the middle class. Wealth and income inequality is getting worse and worse, and that's both noticeable and concerning. I'd be interested to track down those polls and see if they split the rather vague "in general" question into more specific topics and see how much of the dissatisfaction is coming from social issues.
Someone once said, give me a child for the first five years and I will have a Catholic for life. Basically agreeing with what you said. Faith is not a school lesson, it is a way of life which is taught by example from the moment of birth.
But there's no explanation of WHY we lost confidence in our culture "over the last century". That's crucial to understanding how we can "forge a new way forward with an authentic culture of our own" in our new world.
Bad leadership, sure, but we can't deny that the people were happy to turn their backs, as well. Culture is about standing firm in the face of adversity because that's when your faith is really shown. Too many on the Right, churchgoer or not, are taught the false notion of being the "rugged individualist", of pulling yourself up by your own boot straps and making something of yourself. This breeds a sense of looking down on those who can't, for whatever reason, pull themselves up. If you look to the Leftist circles, you see exactly the opposite. They take care of their own even when it means raising millions in bail money for criminals caught redhanded rioting in the streets and burning down whole city blocks.
The church has a long history of turning their backs on their own people. They call it "missionary" work. They will spend thousands of dollars to travel to some far off land where they can 'help' the impoverished. They willingly ignore the poor and downtrodden right outside their own doors so they can spend a small fortune traveling to third-world countries for a few weeks. What message does that send to the people in your town? For me, it says that they aren't important enough for you to help. When given a choice, you ignored their plight. You said others outside of your community are more worthy of your efforts.
But then you want those very same people to look fondly on you? You want them to join you?
This is, in my estimation, a manifestation of the corrupt culture that's been bred into the church over the last hundred or so years. If your home isn't in good order, why are you traveling across town to help someone else cut their lawn? To an outsider, this speaks volumes and it isn't good.
Why would I want to be a part of a group that doesn't take care of their own? We speak of culture, but the church has a culture of abandoning their own so they can go help others in another nation.
At every turn, in my lifetime, I have seen the church abandon one thing after another. I have never seen them stand firm on an issue. I have never seen them form a shield wall against the hordes of barbarians coming through the gap. I have never seen them fight tooth and nail to defend their own. And it's not just catholics.
I have to travel to the States in the Northeast if I want to find a church that's built like a place of worship, where the eye dances over the million little details that craftsmen poured their blood, sweat, and tears into. Anywhere else, the churches are ugly boxes of mass-produced chintz, barren, devoid of any pride or sense of tradition. Even the crucifix on the wall looks like it's fresh from some third-world sweatshop.
The Crips and the Bloods, murderous gangs though they are, hold more strongly to their rules and traditions than christians do.
As a blacksmith, I appreciate you using that phrase "forge a new way". I think people need to really ponder what the blacksmiths do. We stand in front of the fire. We do not shirk away from it. We swing our hammers tirelessly as the sweat pours from our brow. Hour after hour, day after day, it might be weeks or months of hard toil before we can see the finished product. I think there's a message in there. ;)
To close, let me simply say that Culture is about what you build and what you hold up high, what you honor. As a blacksmith, a craftsman, I see the christians, as a whole, holding nothing up. There's nothing they are willing to actually fight for. There's nothing they will support when it's the least bit uncomfortable. They say that they will, but talk is cheap, right? When I opened my little page on Subscribe Star (www.subscribestar.com/three-rivers-forge), I wasn't expecting a tidal wave of support, and I got exactly what I expected! Culture is, as Brian says in the video, about what you build, first and foremost. It's about the 'brand'. What you are known for is what attracts or repels people. If you don't take pride even in your churches, why would they want to be a part of your group? The Great Cathedrals of Europe still stand proudly, but they are museum pieces and tourist attractions.
Christians aren't known for making things, for building and creating. It's not that there aren't many great blacksmiths with their forges alight and their hammers ready. It's that there's no support for them. I get to talk to craftsmen across the country and the story is always the same - you have to walk small and be quiet or you'll be attacked by the Left... and nobody on the Right is going to come to your defense. The ground has been ceded and the people taught to surrender at every turn. How is that a strategy for success? When I needed help, the church decided they'd rather spend gobs of money sending a team to some village in another land, another people, rather than lift me up. That's the ego talking. That's the desire to be seen doing big things. That's the desire for the limelight, to be seen as a knight in shining armor riding to the rescue. Thousands spent just in travel costs alone, and people in need right here at home happily ignored because it wasn't glamorous enough to help them. That's what christians have become known for, and you can believe it's one of the favorite arrows in the quivers of the atheists and agnostics! I don't think I've ever had a conversation with one of them where that wasn't brought up, the derision thick in their voices.
I think it is because of leftist influences , ignorance , hubris , and ingratitude to God and the generations before us. 20 years ago can you imagine the pronoun wars , the open degeneracy and the thug like media insulting us and censoring us ?, our current pope f has done his part to make things worse.
@@threeriversforge1997 I think you are expanding nicely upon Brian's points. But see my answer to Rick W. on this thread
@@RickW-HGWT The leftist influence only exists because the Right refuses to stand together. Even 20 years ago, I remember the warnings being thrown around, but I also remember how those issuing the warnings were attacked by the Left as well as their brethren on the Right. The Left is often called the Big Tent party, and rightly so. They will embrace anyone who can be of use to them.
On the Right, though, we're very exclusionary. How many millions of christians refuse to vote because the candidate isn't the right kind of christian for them? I've heard it said that the "evangelicals" cost McCain and Romney the election because they chose to stay at home rather than vote for someone who wasn't perfect in their eyes. And that means they allowed the Left to gain power and influence.
And don't think for a minute that that mentality doesn't ripple out into other areas. They very likely wouldn't support me in my work because I'm not correct in some way. It's always easy to come up with a justification for not supporting someone or some thing.
You speak of ignorance, but who ceded the halls of academia to the Left? Ingratitude? Hubris? Okay, but who teaches those lessons? Who gave up control of the Media? Who refused to support people who were on the same side, just not quite as perfect as hoped?
I often point to Milo Yonopolis as an example of how the Right can get things so very wrong. While the guy was openly gay and not at all my cup of tea, he was a staunch ally in the fight. He was a big thorn in the side of the Left and was opening a lot of eyes exactly because he was who he was. Hard as it was to stick with him, he was an ally and so I stuck with him. Imagine my "surprise" when I saw the Right happily evict him because the Left dredged up some comment he'd made years earlier. It was an ugly comment, but it was also a true comment. Everyone knows it's true, but they don't want to admit it because it's an ugly truth.
But still, the Right is well known for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, and like always.... they capitulated and removed him from their ranks.
It was a sad thing to see even though I'd seen it so many times before. The arrogance of the common person on the Right is amazing and it only gets worst when they congregate.
In the end, I was left with one thought -- as much good as Milo had done, as many eyes as he'd opened and as many hearts as he had changed, the people on his team still happily threw him under the bus. After all he'd accomplished, they still sacrificed him on the altar in the hopes it would appease the Left. If they'll do that to him.... what in the world would they do to me?
Who wants to be a part of a team like that? Who wants to put it all on the line for a team like that? You can look at the Left and see clearly how they protect and promote their own. They'll fight tooth and nail to protect their people. They will advance the up to the highest positions in the land.
On the Right? There is naught but betrayal, backstabbing, infighting, and hypocrisy, in the church or out.
As a new Catholic I would love to know how you conduct your family devotions.
I am Orthodox, formerly Roman Catholic. Recently I came across a Facebook post by an Orthodox Priest at his wonderment at the ever increasing number of Catechumens / Converts Orthodoxy has been experiencing over the last few years.. I pondered as to why this was..? Orthodoxy has nowhere near the public eye Catholicism has or the financial resources or size... Having been Catholic and experiencing all the changes of the past 50 years I realized that the only Church in Christendom left that as a whole has not left it’s Tradition and Culture is Orthodoxy. Im not saying this as some kind of triumphalist statement ... I’m sad for the Catholic Church who, despite small traditional enclaves within it, has pretty much has become as you say.. self loathing.. Many people are intuitively drawn to the ancient faith.. here’s a question, if a Christian from the second Century was transported forward in time to now, would he recognize his faith in the worship and practice of the post Vatican II Catholic Church? With its modern music, multitudes of extraordinary ministers of communion, and lack of incense and chant, and versus populum priest? Or would that time traveling Christian feel more at home at the Divine Liturgy? At least for me the answer is pretty clear. I know I will get flamed for my comment and my conversion to Orthodoxy, so be it. Nevertheless I’m genuinely sad for what has happened to the Catholic Church over the past few years..
BRAVO!!!!!
9:40 Excuse me but how is incense not biblical I remember it appearing in the bible or my memory is completly failing me at this point.
People who I know who say it's "not biblical" say it's one of the many parts of the old (Jewish) form of worship that, thanks to Jesus, we don't need to do anymore.
Whoa, I think you used pictures from my old NO church….it was actually restored to something more traditional (but still has the ikea table and no altar rail). Regardless, your point is well taken.
Sadly, this video is right on the money. I’m so disgusted by the Church and it’s only getting worse. Christ said that the gates of hell would not prevail against it, but it is a struggle every day to not throw my hands in the air and walk because with all the heresy, I really feel like I’m wasting my time.
Catholicism developed its own culture over two millennia. It came up from the Jewish culture from which it was born and commingled to some degree with the local cultures of their time.Without abandoning our essential identity, we must co-opt the world where it goes right. We must be distinct from the world, but appraising of it, not rejecting it.
Might you respond to this video called “Why are so many people leaving the church? (according to the church)” by Belief It Or Not? After wading through basic reasons like “they just want to sin” or “science leads them astray” as well as hard sayings in the Bible and mentioning monetary and sexual corruption, his final point centers around how the push to educate children more about the faith can come across as indoctrination or teaching what to think rather than teaching how to think for themselves. Seeing as how most of the Christians presented in his video were Protestant/evangelical, it might be nice to get a Catholic response to it.
Difficult to contemplate this catalogue of disasters without thinking that some element of malice and cold calculation was involved. If someone has a beautiful house with fine furnishings and starts throwing everything out the window or smashing it, you look for a reason.
Very simple, because the Church does not uphold the truth, its a matter of patience and hold on to the truth it tought for almost 2000 years. I can testify of this as an ex-Atheist and now Byzantine Catholic
In the American/Canadian context, the Catholic culture war was lost at the inception of our countries. From that sober perspective, one can’t lose what was never won. The exterior beauty of traditional Catholicism was produced by another culture, one that was properly ordered at the level of the state which subordinated itself to the Church. We have remnants of that authentic traditional Catholicism here by way of the Spanish and the French. Also, the newer Ordinariate with its deep Anglo Catholic traditions is an authentic fit as well. However, it is appropriate (even if not preferred) that the traditions of A parish reflect the culture of its local people. The Novus Ordo, perhaps plain by TLM comparison, having inculturated itself to its context, is authentic to its community. I think structurally there is more hope for Canada for cultural repair-if the Queen were to convert (well within the continuity of Anglo history!) For America, a nation that came into being as staunchly anti Catholic, we are structurally much further. Many of our cultural war allies the Christian conservatives remain anti Catholic. Thus the very people here who claim the mantle of the vanguard fighters of the culture war are often the reason why it is lost.
But I did want to add, at least in my locale, the Novus Ordo Masses are quite extraordinary in a Catholic sense especially in comparison to the non Catholic Christian churches in the region.
You are correct.
The US wasn’t founded on Anti Catholicism but rather to escape religious persecution and practice any religion one saw fit rather than have a state controlled faith like the Church of England. There were reasons other than religious freedom but it was definitely one of them
There was a couple of the founding fathers who were Catholic. Most were either Protestant or Deists.
@@brianfarley926 I suppose I’m being mildly hyperbolic. There were far more anti Catholic founding fathers than the 3 actual Catholic ones. Of course the anti Papism was inherited from the English, not necessarily intrinsic to America.
"one that was properly ordered at the level of the state which subordinated itself to the Church. "
Theocracy never leads anywhere good.
Amen to all that
Agree 100 percent.
It wasn't us, it was our clergy.
Spot on
I'd like to ask you, after your confirmation what religious education did you pursue?
And if I might also ask ,what Vocation did you choose?
"Leaders are usually a reflection of the people they lead. How can a leader be moral if his people are immoral?"
(Awdhesh Singh)
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That may be True in a democratic society.
But it should not apply to the Church and actually I have not found this to be true with the majority of Priest and Religious I know.
@@alexledezia3675 Heaven for bid it be one. As we the people - would too often choice a leader we want, instead of a leader we need. All Priests, Deacons, & Bishops were at one time a part of the laity. The stronger & more faithful the Parish community, the more its leaders see their hunger and are positively effected by their prayers.
Lex orandi Lex credendi Lex vivendi
There is so much to be said about this topic. But as someone on some level familiar with socionomic theory the stat that 68% (more than 2/3) of Americans have a pessimistic view of the future honestly does not surprise me. This is actually to be expected. One of the biggest trends happening right now in the west is the decline in trust in all established institutions, from school, to media, to government, the banking sector, medical sector, and, yes, established religions. I am convinced that at least on some level the Catholic church will have to be deestablished in order to be restablished itself, and from this I believe it will come out so great and beautiful, traditionally richer than it was and, as bishop Barron puts it, not dumbed down but smarter and more intelligent than ever before.
Futhermore I think this trend of losing trust in established institutions is the reason why so many Catholics are either leaving the church all together or are fleeing for the old-school TLM. A friend of mine at work who already attends a TLM every week told me that he would like to go even further back and have an old school eastern form of the mass. On the other hand I have family memebers who think that whatever the church says and does is bs. This to me shows a growing problem in that the number of heretics is increasing. To my friend at work I will ask "how much more to the "right" do you think you'll have to go in order to be satisfied?" Now I don't have anything against the TLM, but it seems to me that in my friends case that the appeal of the TLM was more of a novelty and a protest against mindless modernization than anything else which is why he now wants to go even further back. And he has even expressed concern to me that the missal used at the TLM is too modern because it's from 1962 and not the 1955 one.
Now all this to me seems to indicate that those who stay in the "middle" are making up a smaller and smaller part of the church, which brings to mind that "small church" of the future that Ratzinger talked about in the 1960s.
As far as it comes to retaining people going the other way, the thing that Catholicism has is not just good philosophy but it has historical grounding. A few years back not too long before easter my brother asked "why does the church celebrate easter at this time of the year?" in a very condescending tone. I don't exactly remember what was said next but I remember him replying "so the church just made this whole thing up." Luckily we were in car, with our mom, so he couldn't go anywhere. My mom and I explained to him why the Church celebrated easter at this time of year. He, unlike my other brothers, actually has some respect for the faith and I can't help but think that that conversation is one of the main parts of it. But this is the other side of the failure. A complete lack of any cathechisi with regards of anypart of the faith.
Brian, your 2/3 year old who looked up at a incense and said "prayers" probably intuited it not because you have raised him in an environment exclusively traditional or exclusively intellectual. But because you raised with him with et, et. The two things we didn't get after V2 even though that's what it asked for. But I think the mission of V2 is now slowly starting to materialize.
Leo Strauss spoke of three waves of modernity. Wholesale madness and retail insanity is what's left right now. For now.
I always get a kick out of this guy telling Catholics they need their own culture and then using a 90s music video effect on his title card.
Brian is admittedly very articulate. The next thing I expect him to argue for is the Latin Mass. This is the approach of the Le Pens in France.
How do you come up with your ideas for these videos ? Do you read 8 hours a day and have a photographic memory ? This is quite remarkable...