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@MTB yumyum: can you plz briefly list key modifications compared to the standard model? ZEB instead of Fox36 is obvious, but what else? e.g. stem, handlebar, ... Thanks.
Yum Yum, i dont know what you’ve experienced but i appreciate a good climbing bike as well. I own this bike and I have to say that it climbs great. Im one of the faster riders in my area, Northeast technical chunky trails. And I have reset all my PRs up and down on this bike. I agree that while it may not give you the “feeling” of being efficient, it’s deceiving because it produces a ton of grip allowing for all your power to be used effectively and thus no rear wheel skipping as is the case with some dual link bikes (yeti/ibis/pivot). For those watching this, the bike climbs very well. Get some carbon hoops snd faster rolling tires and watch what happens. Also, its not a small bike, sometimes a smaller rider doesn’t put out as much power to push it hard. At 185-190 riding weight I have no issues lushing this bike on ANY trail fast. Up and down, tame trails to rough. This is probably the lost adjustable and adaptable bike Ive ever owned. And Ive owned them all. Easy to ride fast bc Spesh does their homework on what works. Dont be deterred by the climbing dig this video takes, it climbs great 😉.
Totally agree. I'll say I think yumyum is a bit misguided on this one. I live in CO where we have a few hills here... and have owned dw-link bikes and Yeti's (SI). This bike climbs really well, especially tech. I'll take it over the Ripley I used to own for climbing if that says anything.
Just finished my first ride on this bike. Previous bike is an specialized enduro. Difference is night and day. It’s light and nimble. I think about turning and it just reacts. Very happy.
I rode the Ripmo and Switchblade. I liked the Evo better for everything. I did not like Ripmo or Switchblade at all, way too twitchy, not planted. But I weigh over 200lbs. Evo rides like my Pivot Firebird which is the best all around bike.
Picking up my evo expert this weekend. Took advantage of their recent sale. Coming from a trek fuel for the past five years. So excited for a bit more travel and a little longer bike.
I've had my 2021 Evo for almost a year now, absolutely shreds, best bike I've owned. Swapped out the shock for an Ohlins tx22 coil, night and day difference, thing is am absolute beast! I don't know, I think it climbs just pretty damn well, barely a notch below the Ripmo, but damn does it blow it out on the decent. Of course I'm coming from a 35lb Commencal Meta, so anything climbs better after that! So many damn killer bikes out there today, can't really go wrong with any of them.
@@SnowShackboy Ohlins is fine, only coils that aren't is the Fox and Super deluxe. The Ohlins has been sick, no complaints at all! Have another friend who has a Push Ind on his Evo, that coil rips as well.
Totally agree on your views being a shorter rider (or just short legged), the large rear 29" IS a concern. Mullets or dedicated 27.5 have are a +1 in my book.
Bingo. Very good point. I have long sustained climbs that are steep but not overly technical. Efficiency is key if I want to ride 5-6 days a week and not get burnt out. Thanks!
Jason that is also the discontinued Evo Limited which is a mullet out of the box! Looks like the owner set it up as a 29 with the beefier bike park set up(zeb), much better with the 36. I have the Evo pro which is my favorite bike I’ve ever owned. Good climber but an even better descender. It is also much lighter than that limited at 31.2 pounds on an S3! I just came off the switchblade and I’d say that climbing is the place it takes the cake over this but that’s about it!Love the content man
Thanks! i have this bike in mullet and love it. I do a lot of long fireroad climbs, just flip that switch on the shock and good to go. 63 inch mode insane on steeps.
Thanks for all the reviews Jason, you do a great job! How does it compare to the sb130LR? Which one do you like better for a all around trail bike? Thanks
Soooo will you tell us after raving about how great the latest Pivot Trail 429 is, why you went with the Ripley? Is it because you are a lighter guy and like the flex you get from it vs the strong stiff 429? Do you get a better price from Ibis vs Pivot? Could it be you do not want the extra bottom bracket/pedal/Crankset clearance? Just trying to figure out how your words do not match your actions. Had a chance or care to experience and comment on the Trail 429 Enduro? Thank you for your experience and thoughtful videos and replies!!
Great review Jason, love the channel. I was going to get the Evo base model back in January but ended up getting the 2021 Vitus Escarpe CRX, purely for value for money, full fox factory suspension and full xt groupset and £500 less than the base Evo. It's a great all rounder.
@mtbyumyum the bike you have is the LTD spec, which would have come as a mullet Setup from factory. I recommend you verify you have the correct suspension link to be running full 29er. Probably is but makes one wonder as that’s how the bike would have started it’s life. I purchased the 2021 Sworks evo and it came with the DPX2 and fox 36 . I am wondering if you had reviewed the evo in this spec if you would have found it to be more efficient. However, if I had to guess probably negligible. Regardless I love you reviews and appreciate the amount time and energy you put into them for us to enjoy.
Interesting, would the 29er wheel/tire fit in the back with the mullet link installed? I guess I just thought it wouldn't work with a bigger wheel back there... I've had a number of comments now showing disappointment for not spending more time swapping the bike around to the different configurations... it's just too much time for me to spend on a signal video review... in any case, thank you for the kind words and I'd be very interested to know if you're correct...
@@mtbyumyum if it had the 27.5 linkage in there, I suspect you wouldn't have had pedal strike issues in the low setting so I suspect its the 29 linkage. Also was wondering about the RS suspension...
I thought the RS stuff was really good. No complains as to the feel and control.... wish the shock had a middle setting for climbing instead of full open or locked out... That was my first time on a Zeb. Thought it was great!
I bought one last fall, about the time you did this review but it has the fox suspension on it. Anyways it's a great bike, just subscribed and thanks for your review. Commenting so youtube sees the interaction...
I’d LOVE to see you ride and review and Evil Wreckoning. That bike is so insane and compared to other bikes I feel like there’s hardly any good reviews on Evil bikes. Salt Cycles now sells Evil maybe you could get one from them
I just rode my new Wreckoning on the weekend and am beyond stoked!! I was a bit nervous about the long travel and big wheels feeling too pigish but man for a big bike it's really sprightly/playful and can still plow. Highly recommend
@@mtbyumyum I may end up getting one because it’s the only bike with decent amount of availability ( less demand , maybe people are concerned about the mullet setup )
Great review. I came from the previous firebird 29 to the MY21 evo and found the steeper seat tube on the evo huge improvement. Especially when climbing. Depending, the firebird feels a bit more stable and stiffer. The few things to notice with the evo is that it has exceptionally high leverage ratio that calls for the specific tune specialized did on the stock shock. I wonder how it will last over time when you have to pump the shock to 300 plus PSI. The other thing to notice is comp build with the crappy spec. Especially the harsh rythem 36 fox upfront and the heavy wheels
Great video Jason! Sooooo ultimate question this or standard new stumpjumper as a one only bike? How did you think it compared to standard stumpy downhill on the same JL descent?
Good question. I actually think the Rocky Mountain Instinct would make an excellent 1 bike for my terrain if I were to only own 1 bike at a time. I would likely be looking at, Yeti SB130, RM Instinct, Trail 429 with Pike/Fox 36, SC Tallboy or Stumpy with Pike/Fox 36 or maybe.... just maybe, an Ibis Ripley with a 140mm Pike... maybe. As for JL descent... having a bigger fork is the key there... the fox 34 gets pushed to hard at those speeds and starts to feel a little scary. A longer bike at those speeds is really nice too... T429 and Ripley get pushed a bit on that trail but a bigger fork could make up the difference... in the end, the Instinct, SB130 and Stumpjumper are better get everything done sort of bikes.... but they're maybe not as much fun as the Ripley's of the world on all the other trails I ride each week
I’ve owned both. Last season I started out on a 21 Stumpjumper Comp Carbon. Although the EVO was my first choice, it’s what was available and ended up being a killer bike and there are many things I miss about it. I picked up a 22 SJ EVO S-Works frame, built it up, and only have 25 miles on it so far. I for sure needed the extra travel of the EVO and am stoked on the bike, but it’s definitely more of a tank and is not nearly as nimble and playful. If I could have built up the EVO without having to sell my reg SJ to cover it, I totally would have. Completely different bikes, in my opinion.
Great review as always. I suspect your climbing might have been better if the bike was spec'd with the Fox36/DPX2. The tune they have on the DPX2 for this bike is very nice and sporty. That ZEB is going to jack up the front end a bit and add some weight as well vs the Fox36. Secondly, the headset cups make small changes in the HT angle, but they make big changes in the wheelbase which I think might be more noticeable than the HT angle. For those willing to take a few minutes to adjust, the geo range on this bike is massive.
Yeah. It would have been nice to ride w a shock that had a proper climb switch. I think it would have helped for sure. Also wish I had more time w this bike to try other settings
Exactly why I don’t own my 19 Stumpjumper. Rocks box in my opinion didn’t feel great while pedaling. From a newbie perspective I’m like why is there a lockout switch if it doesn’t lock out?!
Great video! What's the best technical climbing 130-150 29er you have tested so far? I'm on a Chromag Rootdown and any of the bikes I've tested so far really lack the get up and go that I love about my HT. The biggest at the top of my list are the Banshee Prime, Switchblade, Stumpy...
Pivot Switchblade, Yeti SB130, Revel Rascal and the new 130mm Stumpy are all excellent. Ripley and Trail 429 climb a little better but give it up on the descents compared to these others.
I bought a prime last spring and I'm switching out to (most likely) an Evo. I found the prime climbed poorly and the reach/TT lengths are just too short. I would have gone XL but the seat tube is too long. For comparison, I have a 180 one up v2 dropper in the large and it is as far in as it can go and the saddle is at the perfect hight. I have a 2014 rune XL and I have a 180 one up dropper on that and it isn't slammed. So really don't the changes they made to the V3 frames and seat tubes but they didn't build the frames to accommodate long droppers. I'm 6' with bike shoes for reference which puts me at the shorter side of their L sizing. BB to saddle height is 750mm. Also, they have a progressive linkage that is coil compatible but then ship the OE DPX2 shock with 0.8 volume spacer (IIRC). This is max for the shock making it as progressive as it possibly could be. At my sag I could not get anything beyond about 75% travel. And even with this, I couldn't get it to be good while climbing. Again, the 2014 rune was an excellent climber and better than the v3 prime. Im really not sure what they were going for but I do not recommend. Maybe someone else milage will vary. Edit: also, it's a little bit of a porky. I didn't think this would matter but at 36lbs with carbon rims, fox 36, slx 12 speed drive train I'm not sure I understand the frame weight reasoning. In addition, the bottom of the shock is almost impossible to get to. I have to use a multi tool to adjust the rebound adjusters on the shock I have. Edit 2: don't know why I came back to look at your post. But I just realize you said "technical climber". The prime is 100% that. Mountain goat like climbing. I rode up thinks that I shouldn't have been able to. The long rear end really get you that planted and stable feeling. If that's what you do, the prime is the bike for you.
Thank you @@Jgalaski8438 ... There are bikes I like more... But I can get a great deal on a new frame. I had the V2 prime and liked it ... But the Revel Rascal and Pivot Switchblade just look so good!
@@pedalhound I bought a V2 large frame (good deal) in fall 2020 and I loved it, it was just too small. Same experience as you, it climbed amazing and was exceptional overall. I don't find the V3 is that at all. I can't explain it. I did go from a 28 chainring on the v2 to a 30 on the v3 so maybe I decreased anti-squate some, but can't believe it was that much. I also think the frame is about 2 or 3 lbs heavier, which I'm sure doesn't help. I don't know....
No and I don't see it making all that much difference... if you demand a better climbing bike that still has a 160mm fork, look to the Pivot Switchblade, Ibis Ripmo and Yeti SB130 in my experience.
So what you're saying is, it's basically a slightly less burly Sentinel but with better fit and finish, way more adjustability, SWAT box and mullet option?! I think a Ripmo with coil shock would be a better all around ride until the next gen Hightower V3 comes out with all the Bronson updates.
Yeah. I’d like to get back to that… this format cuts my editing time significantly and makes a slightly more accurate review giving me more time to think about what I’m saying… we’ll see. Thanks!
Thanks Jason. Always on point! You hit this review right on the head. I own this SJ EVO and love it! Agree with about climbing but still not bad at all. When you point this downhill, it really shines above a lot of similar bikes in this category (and that I’ve ridden…Evil, Ibis, Santa Cruz). I considered the regular (non-EVO) @iamspecialized SJ but love the extra length in the EVO. Look forward to your next review!
I totally understand what you're saying... If I only had one bike at a time it would be so hard to choose between the 120-130mm 29er category and the longer travel 29ers... so many good bikes out right now!
Interesting review. I've been curious about Specialized. Where would this bike fit on the Ibis lineup? Would it be more of a Ripmo or Ripley? Also, what do you think of all these Geo adjustments? Are they legit or Fluff? Thanks
Most similar to the Ripmo. Not sure about the geo adjustability... not sure the average dude would take the time to mess with it but it's cool that it has it. I thought the bike was a lot of fun!
Jeez I find it hard enough to settle on a rebound damping setting. With all this adjustment I will be forever thinking I need to tweek something. Great if thats what you like I suppose.
I'm trying to decide between this and the Altitude. Any advice? I really prioritize "plushness" with great small bump sensitivity, which sounds like the Altitude might have the edge in? This would be my only bike so I do care somewhat about climbing ability as well though. Any input would be much appreciated, thanks!
The Pros Closet is pretty great to sell too... but man are they pricey to buy from. I have this exact bike and I bought it brand new for $5900, but the Pros Closet has one USED for $6700 right now. yeesh.. They occasionally have a decent deal but definitely check other shops first before buying there.
Waiting for the new elite alloy stumpy... About 8 weeks to go :). Sorry but that's the Ltd Version which is already Mullet...don't you see the clearance of the back wheel?
I own an epic Evo and love it. I’m tempted to come back to a stumpy. I don’t need it to be a perfect climber but I’ll tell you the stumpy I had was with a rock shox set up and I HATED climbing. In my opinion Fox is better for these longer travels because when you hit the climb switch, it actually comes close to locking out. On the pike, I couldn’t understand why I was still moving my fork just as much
Good question, without having spend much time in technical terrain with the Stumpy, I would say the Switchblade would get up more techy stuff better.... but, the Stumpjumper zips up the trail nicely and might feel more efficient... I'd have to ride them back to back.
Dude… I got a quote on my epic evo this past week and they offered me like 3800 store credit, and even less for partner stores and cash. I literally laughed. I had less than 40 mi and I got it brand new for like 6000. I cleared 5800 after pp fees etc. They are the worst. I wouldn’t buy anything there just because of the sheer disrespect lol.
this review was really Rad but I would love to see how this version of the Stumpjumper would do in the Southwest with all the big sharpen Point rocks I myself I have a 2016 camber on a 29er setup it actually kind of long travel more so because I'm a taller guy
@@smoothmoose I've been on both a fair bit and I would say that they're not far apart. For some reason I had more pedal strikes on the rocky. Felt like the evo back end didn't get caught up as much. Evo felt like more of my pedaling energy went into the acceleration of the bike too, but that's hard for me to evaluate. I DIDN'T find the altitude C50 to climb poorly at all! I liked the feel of the stumpy more because I could feel that more rearward axle path more on bumps.
No, I wouldn't say the Altitude climbs better than this Stumpjumper EVO... probably about the same I'd say.... My Altitude was the only bike at the time that I could mullet and feel like I wasn't messing w the geo too much.... there are other options available now and I actually plan to sell the Altitude in the early spring and start shopping for a replacement.
I just sold my Bronson MX for this SJ EVO. Miles better on climbing and more stable on downhill plus it’s much faster on the straight aways. I like this SJ better. Bronson jumped a little better, that’s it.
@@cherryhilldrums5334 Iv been looking at the Alloy EVO frame for a build. Seems like a burly do it all rig. Thanks for the input. New EVOS are super nice.
I was thinking the same thing. Not only that. The parts spec is what you would see on a LTD. I own the 2021 sworks and debated between the two for a long time and as such I got to intimately know both specs.
good question.... I'll try and find out and get back here... Thanks! I know they have a 30 day money back guarantee... but that's more of a return policy than a warranty.
@@mtbyumyum I Appreciate what you are doing for us! But buying a used bike at close to new prices, and without a warranty, to me seems to be a very bad decision. Good riding to you and your family!
I'm terribly sorry for a very generic question, but how do you think this thing pedals compared to the SB150? I'm aware they're different bikes. I've been on both, but just haven't gotten enough time in on either. Thanks for the great videos!! Keep em coming!
@@mtbyumyum I mean no disrespect, but that's definitely a mullet, the rear wheel is visibly smaller than the front. Also, I have a 29" wheel on mine and there's noticeably less tire clearance against the swingarm. Do enjoy your videos though, please keep 'em coming!
ANOTHER great vid... But just to clarify, when you say Bike X doesn't climb as well as Bike Y, what do you mean specifically? My Switchblade climbs well, but its the technical climbing that I feel could be better. So up the fireroads etc, when I mash the pedal the bike moves forward with authority. No bob, very efficient, but up rocky technical stuff the rear seems a bit stiff and I tend to deflect and spin out. As opposed to a glued to the ground bike like some of the plush Enduros. In the future can you be more specific in that explanation? Also, would you say the RM Altitude is one of those "descends as well but climbs better than the EVO" bikes? Rock On Jason!
Currently have a 2021 Stumpjumper Carbon that I really like, but part of me wants to sell it and get a EVO just to mess around with all the geo choices and ability to run it as a mullet. I really do not need it though...my other bike is a 2022 Evil Wreckoning which is a longer travel shred machine. Not sure I need two bikes that are too similar as the regular stumpy is a great shorter travel companion to my Evil. Yet...still tempted. lol
My understanding of mullets is that they're great for downhill, but not more efficient for climbing, if not more of a hindrance, and flats they're not more efficient either. Therefore, not making them good for an all day adventure as much as they're better off at the bike park or downhills.
@@seano218 many mullet bikes use flip chips to help address the reduced radius of the 27.5 tire. I haven't seen any that fully offset this 100% so in those cases, the seat angle will be slacker which can cause easier looping out. The SJ Evo changes the lineage which presumably, fully compensates for this difference. As such. Lopping out shouldn't be an issue.
Hi Jason, I'm currently on the stumpy evo and came from a Ripmo before that. On my evo I almost always ' lock out' the rear shock to climb, my ripmo very rarely did unless it was a fire road climb. My question is, what position were you in on the shock to climb? I find pretty much all fsr's need the lock out or middle setting at least, if you do that I have got pr's up vs my ripmo from that amazing eagle drive train. Thanks, kevin.
Kevin, thanks for your comment. This evo had a rs super deluxe shock, with a lock out and open setting... no middle setting. I switch between the two setting and ultimately left it open. Full lock out is meh in my opinion.... of course it climbed better locked out but feels like riding a 2x4
@@klassyken i just received evo alloy. In open shock position with correct sag, there is no pedal bob. Lockout is not necessary on this bike. It is light years better than my giant and previous stumpjumper fsr.
The SJ is more easy going, maybe climbs a little better and probably a little more fun. Sentinel is crazy stable for the amount of suspension it has, holds a line really well but so does the EVO
I'd have to agree, not an efficient climber. It has no pedaling platform. It truly feels like my 170mm Transition Spire climbs more efficiently. Although the EVO does have great traction while climbing. There have been climbs I was able to clean, that my more fit friend spun out on with his SB130.
Thanks for your comment. Reminds me that I need to remember to mention in these videos that my climbs aren't overly technical but rather long, steep and sustained efforts... so for me and my terrain, pedal efficiency trumps traction for tecky sections. Thank you!
@@pjsanab It feels like it climbs better than my Stumpjumper Evo and is the most comfortable bike I've tried for the bike park. I ride Angel Fire bike park quite a bit and its just so fun there. For now it will be my only bike, I will get a shorter travel bike next year.
@@mtbyumyum had a Ripmo af and currently on an offering I’ve only been riding serious for about a year. I’d consider myself intermediate, top speeds on average 25-30mph
I noticed that my SJ Evo climbed better when I stiffen up the shock a little more than recommended and the carbon wheels big difference as well. The sizing is a little wierd . I'm 6'3" and have found with some slight adjustments I can ride an S4 just fine.
@@leeabbott4713 I moved all but one of the spacers on the head tube under the handlebars to raise it up some and scooted the seat as far back on the rails as much as was allowed. The seat tube isn't slammed all the way down, I raised it up a couple of inches but it still stays clear to move around when I drop it down.
Just watching this video about it not being a good climber after I just watched the Pinkbike Efficiency Test where the alloy version of this bike climbed the fastest (even. Vs. Lighter carbon bikes). Something doesn't add up with this vid.
I currently own the sj evo and been riding it for more than 6 months now.... unless you ride them back to back you'll be subject to what other people (me, pb or any other publication) have to say about it.... I personally don't value pb reviews. They receive thousands of dollars in advertising and marketing money from basically all major bike brands... what do you think they're going to say. I have nothing to gain from saying what I say. I have a day job and this youtube channel is a hobby... I like the sj evo, it doesn't climb as well as many other bikes in the category and it didn't keep me from buy the bike and riding it for more than 6 months now... in the category, the sb140 lr is the best bike available right now and they're on sale!
Jason I love your reviews but I feel like you missed the mark on this one. It doesn’t seem like you played around with the headset or the seat stay adjustments at all. If it was just this bike without all of its adjustments it wouldn’t have won pinkbike bike of the year. The stay adjustments not only raise/lower the bb but they also lengthen/shorten the stays which is important. With all the adjustments it allows the bike to because a super snappy fun trail bike in the high/steep position and a super stable and planted enduro machine in the long/low. If you didn’t get to test at least half of the setting available, you didn’t truly ride this bike. I have owned a lot of bikes in this class (ripmo, lá sal peak, 2018 enduro, evil wreckoning v1) and there are bikes that climb better for sure. The ripmo puts the evo in a corner when climbing. But there is nothing with less travel and nothing the same class that descends as well as this bike in the low/long setting. Heck, it gives a lot of true enduro bikes a run for the money. I mean it can become slacker than the new enduro. And the ability to make it into a more sporty trail oriented bike for my every day rides is so nice. It’s not perfect but as a serial bike buyer/seller I’ve had a hard time finding a reason to get something else.
I hear you! And totally wish I had more time to spend on this bike... and this channel. I had no idea this was "pinkbike bike of the year" and you have to understand, they can spend a lot of time on a bike for a review... it's their job. You can't even begin to imagine the hurdles in the way of me doing this channel... first, if I was the pinkbike guy doing reviews I'd have the bike for a 2 months or more just to noodle around on before even having to get out the camera gear to start filming and writing a script. All the while getting paid... I make like $2 an hour here lol, have a full time job and family along with other obligations and hobbies. Second, there are no bike companies sending me bikes to demo... I spend a lot of time trying to get bikes to ride and film. I don't have 80+ hours to dedicate to a video once I get a bike so, you get what I had time to do and that's the best I can do. In all reality, I gave people a look at the bike, and was able to compare it with other bikes I've ridden in the category... and that's more than what most other reviewers do... pinkbike, bikemag and many others area complete jokes in my opinion.... they likely didn't even dog the bike for not climbing all that well... because then they would get the ever important BIG S marketing money spent on their website... They say what they're paid to say.... basically reading from a script regurgitating bike jargin bs.... To your point, you're right... I didn't get a chance to discuss the depth of the bike geo and offerings..... I'll bet ya 80% of the people that buy this bike never change it from the configuration I rode it in anyway. And last of all, if I was on the payroll of most other reviewers making a promising living and able to provide for my family doing this, I would have delivered... but this channel isn't anywhere close to paying the bills so I give it the amount of time and attention I can and try not to beat myself up for not doing as well as the other deep pocketed legit bike reviewer channels or websites.
@@mtbyumyum not OP, but just a random viewer wanting to say thanks and your review did exactly what it was intending with your limited available time. You put it in the common setting and provided a review based on that. Tried the low setting but I understand the dislike of pedal strikes. I will comment that I do think that PB did review this with a "it's not the best climber" comment. As OP stated, part of the reason it got BotY was because of its adjustability and thus it's versatility while having stellar down hill capability. That was what was more important to them, climbing efficiency is for you. Thanks again
@UClPQstHx-qJe-bPc-fAENcg ,....Very good. Thanks. Living in Utah, I kinda want to get a Utah bike. But the La Sal looks a little funky to me, but if it climbs really well, I guess I can overlook that.
@@tonybasoni8443 I really liked the la sal. I think it's one of the better climbers for that travel range. My buddy and I switched bikes the other day so he could ride my evo. The seat angle of his la sal was very apparent next to my evo. If you're only taking pedaling platform into account then it's definitely not quite the rocket ship that the ripmo is. But the very steep seat angle and minimal pedal bob for a Horst link bike put it just below the ripmo on fire road climbs. On a technical climb I think the seat angle and increased grip of the Horst link give it the edge. I haven't ridden the Delano. My understanding is that it has all the goods of the la sal in a shorter travel package. Either way the Fezzari is such a great price it's sometimes hard to justify much else in it's class.
Many comparisons of those 2 online. Sentinel is more progressive and therefore climbs a bit more efficiently but the tradeoff is it feels harsher on the chatter (or less mid bump compliance). Now the Sentinel V2 do to the progression has more reserves for landing bigger jumps/drops.
Yumyum…the offering v1 you criticized for its climbing manners…I disagree. Stick some faster tires and carbon rims and you can shoot up stuff like you wouldn’t believe. Ive had that bike since its inception and I’m telling you its very setup, tire and wheel dependent.
@@mtbyumyum was also surprised with your review. Other reviews (and people I have spoke to on the trail) put the offering closer to following (120) efficiency as compared to wreckoning (160).
That makes sense, I didn't think the following climbed all that well for a 120mm bike... I was able to ride the Offering back to back with the SC Hightower, SB130 and Ripmo... the Offering was easily the worst climbing of the bunch and all had similar tires. That said, the Offering is incredibly fun and offers the highest fun factor
@@mtbyumyum we are talking the new following not what you tested. Also I’m going to throw out that bigger, stronger riders can prob push that offering faster than someone your size. No offense in saying that. But at 145 lbs any “bigger” bike may feel monstrous.
Great bike , rides smooth th-cam.com/users/postUgkxHL1v1R3NE5x4KiYfyt8dnQmyNYz7qi5L I added a bigger spring loaded seat to it . Takes a bit of adjusting cables to get brakes and shifting to perfect . I've owned quite a few bikes in the past that were absolutely uncomfortable to ride and they always ended up as garage wall decor . I'm not seeing that with this one. It's pretty light I've only ridden it a few miles but I like it . As for the pedals falling off in the other reviews , the pedal arms are aluminum along with the pedal studs look to be also . I would not overtighten them. I can see it would be very easy to overtighten them and strip the threads right off . All in all I think it's pretty good quality besides the aluminum pedal thing .
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Cool review.....
Just got me a stumpjumper evo troy lee frame.....gonna build up the rig till spring😝🤘🏻🚲
@MTB yumyum: can you plz briefly list key modifications compared to the standard model? ZEB instead of Fox36 is obvious, but what else? e.g. stem, handlebar, ... Thanks.
FYI, this version of the Stumpy Evo in this video is set up as a mullet. It also already has the mullet linkage installed.
Might help explain why it climbed not so well, along with the slacker headtube angle setup.
Yum Yum, i dont know what you’ve experienced but i appreciate a good climbing bike as well. I own this bike and I have to say that it climbs great. Im one of the faster riders in my area, Northeast technical chunky trails. And I have reset all my PRs up and down on this bike. I agree that while it may not give you the “feeling” of being efficient, it’s deceiving because it produces a ton of grip allowing for all your power to be used effectively and thus no rear wheel skipping as is the case with some dual link bikes (yeti/ibis/pivot). For those watching this, the bike climbs very well. Get some carbon hoops snd faster rolling tires and watch what happens. Also, its not a small bike, sometimes a smaller rider doesn’t put out as much power to push it hard. At 185-190 riding weight I have no issues lushing this bike on ANY trail fast. Up and down, tame trails to rough. This is probably the lost adjustable and adaptable bike Ive ever owned. And Ive owned them all. Easy to ride fast bc Spesh does their homework on what works. Dont be deterred by the climbing dig this video takes, it climbs great 😉.
Totally agree. I'll say I think yumyum is a bit misguided on this one. I live in CO where we have a few hills here... and have owned dw-link bikes and Yeti's (SI). This bike climbs really well, especially tech. I'll take it over the Ripley I used to own for climbing if that says anything.
Just finished my first ride on this bike. Previous bike is an specialized enduro. Difference is night and day. It’s light and nimble. I think about turning and it just reacts. Very happy.
I rode the Ripmo and Switchblade. I liked the Evo better for everything. I did not like Ripmo or Switchblade at all, way too twitchy, not planted. But I weigh over 200lbs. Evo rides like my Pivot Firebird which is the best all around bike.
I think you’d love the epic evo. Any chance of a review and comparison video in the near future?
Picking up my evo expert this weekend. Took advantage of their recent sale. Coming from a trek fuel for the past five years. So excited for a bit more travel and a little longer bike.
Another Great Review!! I’ve had mine for close to a year now & have been loving it. My go to bike now for the Rougher high speed trails.
Totally. Would be a fun bike to have around for sure!
I've had my 2021 Evo for almost a year now, absolutely shreds, best bike I've owned. Swapped out the shock for an Ohlins tx22 coil, night and day difference, thing is am absolute beast! I don't know, I think it climbs just pretty damn well, barely a notch below the Ripmo, but damn does it blow it out on the decent. Of course I'm coming from a 35lb Commencal Meta, so anything climbs better after that! So many damn killer bikes out there today, can't really go wrong with any of them.
I put a coil on my too, though I've heard rumors about this bike being a bit of a coil shock killer. How has your Ohlins coil been holding up so far?
@@SnowShackboy Ohlins is fine, only coils that aren't is the Fox and Super deluxe. The Ohlins has been sick, no complaints at all! Have another friend who has a Push Ind on his Evo, that coil rips as well.
Totally agree on your views being a shorter rider (or just short legged), the large rear 29" IS a concern. Mullets or dedicated 27.5 have are a +1 in my book.
Yep!!
Efficiency vs grip, there is always a trade off.
Personally where I ride grip is more important.
Lots of technical ups to immediate downs.
Bingo. Very good point. I have long sustained climbs that are steep but not overly technical. Efficiency is key if I want to ride 5-6 days a week and not get burnt out. Thanks!
Jason that is also the discontinued Evo Limited which is a mullet out of the box! Looks like the owner set it up as a 29 with the beefier bike park set up(zeb), much better with the 36. I have the Evo pro which is my favorite bike I’ve ever owned. Good climber but an even better descender. It is also much lighter than that limited at 31.2 pounds on an S3! I just came off the switchblade and I’d say that climbing is the place it takes the cake over this but that’s about it!Love the content man
I actually just bought this bike brand new and the Zeb fork comes stock on this bike actually. It's crazy what this fork can eat up, I love it so far!
I absolutely love that frame design.
got this for christmas, it was a used one but we got it working. Pretty awesome!!
Hoping to pick up my new 2022 alloy Evo today, just so exciting.
I have a Float X and 38's ready for the upgrade build.
Thank you for the review.
Wow, sounds fun!
I love mine! It has SWAT box and 3 HTA adjustable settings. Also, Alloy version has SWAT box too. Thank you for reviewing this bike!
I didn't know they were doing swat box on alloy... that's awesome!!
Thanks! i have this bike in mullet and love it. I do a lot of long fireroad climbs, just flip that switch on the shock and good to go. 63 inch mode insane on steeps.
Thanks for all the reviews Jason, you do a great job!
How does it compare to the sb130LR? Which one do you like better for a all around trail bike? Thanks
Soooo will you tell us after raving about how great the latest Pivot Trail 429 is, why you went with the Ripley? Is it because you are a lighter guy and like the flex you get from it vs the strong stiff 429? Do you get a better price from Ibis vs Pivot? Could it be you do not want the extra bottom bracket/pedal/Crankset clearance? Just trying to figure out how your words do not match your actions. Had a chance or care to experience and comment on the Trail 429 Enduro? Thank you for your experience and thoughtful videos and replies!!
Great review Jason, love the channel. I was going to get the Evo base model back in January but ended up getting the 2021 Vitus Escarpe CRX, purely for value for money, full fox factory suspension and full xt groupset and £500 less than the base Evo. It's a great all rounder.
Cool. I've never heard of Vitus... I know there are a lot of other brands in Europe.
I've been waiting for this review for a while now.
It was a fun one!
Great review. The adjustability built in is very interesting.
Tempting for sure… this bike was a lot of fun. Wish I had more time to mess around w the different settings
@mtbyumyum the bike you have is the LTD spec, which would have come as a mullet Setup from factory. I recommend you verify you have the correct suspension link to be running full 29er. Probably is but makes one wonder as that’s how the bike would have started it’s life. I purchased the 2021 Sworks evo and it came with the DPX2 and fox 36 . I am wondering if you had reviewed the evo in this spec if you would have found it to be more efficient. However, if I had to guess probably negligible. Regardless I love you reviews and appreciate the amount time and energy you put into them for us to enjoy.
Interesting, would the 29er wheel/tire fit in the back with the mullet link installed? I guess I just thought it wouldn't work with a bigger wheel back there... I've had a number of comments now showing disappointment for not spending more time swapping the bike around to the different configurations... it's just too much time for me to spend on a signal video review... in any case, thank you for the kind words and I'd be very interested to know if you're correct...
@@mtbyumyum if it had the 27.5 linkage in there, I suspect you wouldn't have had pedal strike issues in the low setting so I suspect its the 29 linkage.
Also was wondering about the RS suspension...
I thought the RS stuff was really good. No complains as to the feel and control.... wish the shock had a middle setting for climbing instead of full open or locked out... That was my first time on a Zeb. Thought it was great!
Another great review that keeps you up to date where this fall with the latest comparable group . Great job!
Glad you like them! Thanks
The review I’ve been waiting since the launch of this bike 👌🏽👌🏽👌🏽👌🏽
haha me too.... just took a minute to get a bike to demo. Thank you!
I bought one last fall, about the time you did this review but it has the fox suspension on it. Anyways it's a great bike, just subscribed and thanks for your review. Commenting so youtube sees the interaction...
Thanks for the support William. Welcome!!
Great review. What did you think about the Specialized tires?
Thanks for the review!
I’d LOVE to see you ride and review and Evil Wreckoning. That bike is so insane and compared to other bikes I feel like there’s hardly any good reviews on Evil bikes. Salt Cycles now sells Evil maybe you could get one from them
I heard Salt picked up Evil... haven't seen any there tho....
I just rode my new Wreckoning on the weekend and am beyond stoked!! I was a bit nervous about the long travel and big wheels feeling too pigish but man for a big bike it's really sprightly/playful and can still plow. Highly recommend
Awesome review as always . Very curious to hear what you think of the new mullet SC Bronson
Yeah, I'd love to ride it
@@mtbyumyum I may end up getting one because it’s the only bike with decent amount of availability ( less demand , maybe people are concerned about the mullet setup )
Thank you the great review! At 5'8" tall would you consider riding the EVO in a S2 size? Your feedback would be great!
Great review again Jason. I bought an evo Last May & Love it as my one bike.
Right on!
Yum yum in da house.... love TPC. Quit advertising them! Never bought a bike but components 👍 yup!
haha that's awesome! Thanks!
Great review.
I came from the previous firebird 29 to the MY21 evo and found the steeper seat tube on the evo huge improvement. Especially when climbing. Depending, the firebird feels a bit more stable and stiffer.
The few things to notice with the evo is that it has exceptionally high leverage ratio that calls for the specific tune specialized did on the stock shock. I wonder how it will last over time when you have to pump the shock to 300 plus PSI.
The other thing to notice is comp build with the crappy spec. Especially the harsh rythem 36 fox upfront and the heavy wheels
Great video Jason! Sooooo ultimate question this or standard new stumpjumper as a one only bike? How did you think it compared to standard stumpy downhill on the same JL descent?
Good question. I actually think the Rocky Mountain Instinct would make an excellent 1 bike for my terrain if I were to only own 1 bike at a time. I would likely be looking at, Yeti SB130, RM Instinct, Trail 429 with Pike/Fox 36, SC Tallboy or Stumpy with Pike/Fox 36 or maybe.... just maybe, an Ibis Ripley with a 140mm Pike... maybe. As for JL descent... having a bigger fork is the key there... the fox 34 gets pushed to hard at those speeds and starts to feel a little scary. A longer bike at those speeds is really nice too... T429 and Ripley get pushed a bit on that trail but a bigger fork could make up the difference... in the end, the Instinct, SB130 and Stumpjumper are better get everything done sort of bikes.... but they're maybe not as much fun as the Ripley's of the world on all the other trails I ride each week
I’ve owned both. Last season I started out on a 21 Stumpjumper Comp Carbon. Although the EVO was my first choice, it’s what was available and ended up being a killer bike and there are many things I miss about it. I picked up a 22 SJ EVO S-Works frame, built it up, and only have 25 miles on it so far. I for sure needed the extra travel of the EVO and am stoked on the bike, but it’s definitely more of a tank and is not nearly as nimble and playful. If I could have built up the EVO without having to sell my reg SJ to cover it, I totally would have. Completely different bikes, in my opinion.
Great review, would love to see you do a review on the mullet version
Yeah, that would have been awesome. I’d love to ride a bunch more mixed wheel bikes next season
Great review as always. I suspect your climbing might have been better if the bike was spec'd with the Fox36/DPX2. The tune they have on the DPX2 for this bike is very nice and sporty. That ZEB is going to jack up the front end a bit and add some weight as well vs the Fox36. Secondly, the headset cups make small changes in the HT angle, but they make big changes in the wheelbase which I think might be more noticeable than the HT angle. For those willing to take a few minutes to adjust, the geo range on this bike is massive.
Yeah. It would have been nice to ride w a shock that had a proper climb switch. I think it would have helped for sure. Also wish I had more time w this bike to try other settings
Exactly why I don’t own my 19 Stumpjumper. Rocks box in my opinion didn’t feel great while pedaling. From a newbie perspective I’m like why is there a lockout switch if it doesn’t lock out?!
Great video! What's the best technical climbing 130-150 29er you have tested so far? I'm on a Chromag Rootdown and any of the bikes I've tested so far really lack the get up and go that I love about my HT. The biggest at the top of my list are the Banshee Prime, Switchblade, Stumpy...
Pivot Switchblade, Yeti SB130, Revel Rascal and the new 130mm Stumpy are all excellent. Ripley and Trail 429 climb a little better but give it up on the descents compared to these others.
I bought a prime last spring and I'm switching out to (most likely) an Evo.
I found the prime climbed poorly and the reach/TT lengths are just too short. I would have gone XL but the seat tube is too long. For comparison, I have a 180 one up v2 dropper in the large and it is as far in as it can go and the saddle is at the perfect hight. I have a 2014 rune XL and I have a 180 one up dropper on that and it isn't slammed. So really don't the changes they made to the V3 frames and seat tubes but they didn't build the frames to accommodate long droppers.
I'm 6' with bike shoes for reference which puts me at the shorter side of their L sizing. BB to saddle height is 750mm.
Also, they have a progressive linkage that is coil compatible but then ship the OE DPX2 shock with 0.8 volume spacer (IIRC). This is max for the shock making it as progressive as it possibly could be. At my sag I could not get anything beyond about 75% travel. And even with this, I couldn't get it to be good while climbing.
Again, the 2014 rune was an excellent climber and better than the v3 prime.
Im really not sure what they were going for but I do not recommend.
Maybe someone else milage will vary.
Edit: also, it's a little bit of a porky. I didn't think this would matter but at 36lbs with carbon rims, fox 36, slx 12 speed drive train I'm not sure I understand the frame weight reasoning.
In addition, the bottom of the shock is almost impossible to get to. I have to use a multi tool to adjust the rebound adjusters on the shock I have.
Edit 2: don't know why I came back to look at your post. But I just realize you said "technical climber". The prime is 100% that. Mountain goat like climbing. I rode up thinks that I shouldn't have been able to. The long rear end really get you that planted and stable feeling. If that's what you do, the prime is the bike for you.
Thank you @@Jgalaski8438 ... There are bikes I like more... But I can get a great deal on a new frame. I had the V2 prime and liked it ... But the Revel Rascal and Pivot Switchblade just look so good!
Thank you @@mtbyumyum.... Those bikes are high on my list... Will see if I can throw a leg over them.
@@pedalhound I bought a V2 large frame (good deal) in fall 2020 and I loved it, it was just too small. Same experience as you, it climbed amazing and was exceptional overall.
I don't find the V3 is that at all. I can't explain it. I did go from a 28 chainring on the v2 to a 30 on the v3 so maybe I decreased anti-squate some, but can't believe it was that much.
I also think the frame is about 2 or 3 lbs heavier, which I'm sure doesn't help.
I don't know....
The color scheme and the zeb looks like its the ltd edition with 27.5 rear wheel
Hey Jason, thanks for the review! Did you try the bike in the 65.5 degree HTA? If so, did it climb better in that configuration?
No and I don't see it making all that much difference... if you demand a better climbing bike that still has a 160mm fork, look to the Pivot Switchblade, Ibis Ripmo and Yeti SB130 in my experience.
Hey there! Always enjoying your reviews! 🤘 So, pedaling and going downhill, the Stumpi or the Senti? ⚔️⚔️
Great review, thanks for posting. Love the enthusiasm!
Thanks for watching! And thanks for the kind words.... I really appreciate it!
So what you're saying is, it's basically a slightly less burly Sentinel but with better fit and finish, way more adjustability, SWAT box and mullet option?! I think a Ripmo with coil shock would be a better all around ride until the next gen Hightower V3 comes out with all the Bronson updates.
Thanks for this excellent test. Do you prefer Giants trance x or this one please?
Dude where is the review while riding? Miss that trail footage review format. Always informative tho. Well done. 🤙
Yeah. I’d like to get back to that… this format cuts my editing time significantly and makes a slightly more accurate review giving me more time to think about what I’m saying… we’ll see. Thanks!
Great review, I’ve been considering this bike
It’s a lot of fun
Jason, I think you're riding it with the mullet link.
Thanks Jason. Always on point! You hit this review right on the head. I own this SJ EVO and love it! Agree with about climbing but still not bad at all. When you point this downhill, it really shines above a lot of similar bikes in this category (and that I’ve ridden…Evil, Ibis, Santa Cruz). I considered the regular (non-EVO) @iamspecialized SJ but love the extra length in the EVO. Look forward to your next review!
I totally understand what you're saying... If I only had one bike at a time it would be so hard to choose between the 120-130mm 29er category and the longer travel 29ers... so many good bikes out right now!
Interesting review.
I've been curious about Specialized.
Where would this bike fit on the Ibis lineup? Would it be more of a Ripmo or Ripley?
Also, what do you think of all these Geo adjustments? Are they legit or Fluff?
Thanks
Most similar to the Ripmo. Not sure about the geo adjustability... not sure the average dude would take the time to mess with it but it's cool that it has it. I thought the bike was a lot of fun!
Jeez I find it hard enough to settle on a rebound damping setting. With all this adjustment I will be forever thinking I need to tweek something. Great if thats what you like I suppose.
Jason is it pretty comparable to the Transition Sentinel V2?
He said i didn't set this up as a mullet when that version evo is the LTD and is a mullet bike 🤷♂️
I'm trying to decide between this and the Altitude. Any advice? I really prioritize "plushness" with great small bump sensitivity, which sounds like the Altitude might have the edge in? This would be my only bike so I do care somewhat about climbing ability as well though. Any input would be much appreciated, thanks!
The Pros Closet is pretty great to sell too... but man are they pricey to buy from. I have this exact bike and I bought it brand new for $5900, but the Pros Closet has one USED for $6700 right now. yeesh.. They occasionally have a decent deal but definitely check other shops first before buying there.
Waiting for the new elite alloy stumpy... About 8 weeks to go :). Sorry but that's the Ltd Version which is already Mullet...don't you see the clearance of the back wheel?
I own an epic Evo and love it. I’m tempted to come back to a stumpy. I don’t need it to be a perfect climber but I’ll tell you the stumpy I had was with a rock shox set up and I HATED climbing. In my opinion Fox is better for these longer travels because when you hit the climb switch, it actually comes close to locking out. On the pike, I couldn’t understand why I was still moving my fork just as much
There are also a lot of Rock shox forks and shock which have 100% lockout with one switch... Besides that, fox getsnot 100% locked
Keep up the great reviews! Would love to hear a review of the offering v2 from you, if any of the updates helped its climbing ability.
I have requested it as well!
@@oakleypayne-meyer7534 I imagine it is probably hard to get a hold of one to test right now.
Which bike is the better climber, the regular stumpjumper or the pivot switchblade?
Good question, without having spend much time in technical terrain with the Stumpy, I would say the Switchblade would get up more techy stuff better.... but, the Stumpjumper zips up the trail nicely and might feel more efficient... I'd have to ride them back to back.
What would you say is the best pedalling bike ?
You should review the 2020 specialized enduro for longer travel 29er
If you had to pick Hightower, or SJ Evo??
Pros Closet: where we sell you used bikes more expensive than new retail bikes 🤣
Dude… I got a quote on my epic evo this past week and they offered me like 3800 store credit, and even less for partner stores and cash. I literally laughed. I had less than 40 mi and I got it brand new for like 6000. I cleared 5800 after pp fees etc. They are the worst. I wouldn’t buy anything there just because of the sheer disrespect lol.
Great video!
this review was really Rad but I would love to see how this version of the Stumpjumper would do in the Southwest with all the big sharpen Point rocks I myself I have a 2016 camber on a 29er setup it actually kind of long travel more so because I'm a taller guy
Spot on
Another great review!
Nice bike .
Great content .
Thanks ✌️
Agree 💯. Mullet option, SWAT, and adjustability are amazing. But the climbing just didn't cut it for me either.
Yep. Wish it climbed like its flex pivot counterpart
@@mtbyumyum BTW am I right to assume your Rocky Altitude climbs better even though it's a 160mm bike?
@@smoothmoose I've been on both a fair bit and I would say that they're not far apart. For some reason I had more pedal strikes on the rocky. Felt like the evo back end didn't get caught up as much. Evo felt like more of my pedaling energy went into the acceleration of the bike too, but that's hard for me to evaluate. I DIDN'T find the altitude C50 to climb poorly at all! I liked the feel of the stumpy more because I could feel that more rearward axle path more on bumps.
No, I wouldn't say the Altitude climbs better than this Stumpjumper EVO... probably about the same I'd say.... My Altitude was the only bike at the time that I could mullet and feel like I wasn't messing w the geo too much.... there are other options available now and I actually plan to sell the Altitude in the early spring and start shopping for a replacement.
Austin Pierce, I had a number of pedal strikes in the slackest setting on the Altitude... not an issue in the neutral setting or steeper
I think it would be sweet to compare this to the new Bronson.
I just sold my Bronson MX for this SJ EVO. Miles better on climbing and more stable on downhill plus it’s much faster on the straight aways. I like this SJ better. Bronson jumped a little better, that’s it.
@@cherryhilldrums5334 Iv been looking at the Alloy EVO frame for a build. Seems like a burly do it all rig. Thanks for the input. New EVOS are super nice.
Awesome review.
Thank you!
i have £70 budget and i need knee pads and hopefully elbow pads. what would you recommend?
Troy Lee Design Speed Sleeve Knee Pads: bit.ly/2Qirrpb
Isn’t that an LTD? They come stock as mullet and the way that link turns down at the seat stay it sure looks like the mullet link.
I was thinking the same thing. Not only that. The parts spec is what you would see on a LTD. I own the 2021 sworks and debated between the two for a long time and as such I got to intimately know both specs.
I've had a few people mention this in the comments now... it was sent to me like this, as a 29er
@@mtbyumyum if you’re going to have the bike for a while, look into the cascade components link, makes it sooo much better!
I'm 6'1.2" tall (186 cm) and I had problem to choose the correct frame size S4 or S5 :( Can you help me?
Is there any warranty on bikes from THE PROS CLOSET? If so what and through who? Thank you.
good question.... I'll try and find out and get back here... Thanks! I know they have a 30 day money back guarantee... but that's more of a return policy than a warranty.
@@mtbyumyum I Appreciate what you are doing for us! But buying a used bike at close to new prices, and without a warranty, to me seems to be a very bad decision. Good riding to you and your family!
Would love to see your take on a Devinci Troy
So that’s the evo LTD colorway and build…did the original owner swap out to a 29er in the rear??
A number of people have mentioned this... it showed up to me as a 29er... got it from The Pro's Closet
I'm terribly sorry for a very generic question, but how do you think this thing pedals compared to the SB150? I'm aware they're different bikes. I've been on both, but just haven't gotten enough time in on either. Thanks for the great videos!! Keep em coming!
SB150 climbs almost as good as RipmoAF. Climbing wise it will be
RipmoAF > Yeti SB150 > Stumpjumper EVO
@@pjsanab thanks!!
I’d have to ride them back to back… I don’t think the sb150 climbs as well as the ripmo. Ripmo is better than the evo
Could you review these 100 percent gloves?
Does it come with a kick stand?
Looks like that's a LTD model, with a 27.5 rear wheel on?
Some body else mentioned that same thing... It showed up to me as a 29er....
@@mtbyumyum I mean no disrespect, but that's definitely a mullet, the rear wheel is visibly smaller than the front. Also, I have a 29" wheel on mine and there's noticeably less tire clearance against the swingarm. Do enjoy your videos though, please keep 'em coming!
ANOTHER great vid... But just to clarify, when you say Bike X doesn't climb as well as Bike Y, what do you mean specifically? My Switchblade climbs well, but its the technical climbing that I feel could be better. So up the fireroads etc, when I mash the pedal the bike moves forward with authority. No bob, very efficient, but up rocky technical stuff the rear seems a bit stiff and I tend to deflect and spin out. As opposed to a glued to the ground bike like some of the plush Enduros. In the future can you be more specific in that explanation? Also, would you say the RM Altitude is one of those "descends as well but climbs better than the EVO" bikes? Rock On Jason!
Currently have a 2021 Stumpjumper Carbon that I really like, but part of me wants to sell it and get a EVO just to mess around with all the geo choices and ability to run it as a mullet. I really do not need it though...my other bike is a 2022 Evil Wreckoning which is a longer travel shred machine. Not sure I need two bikes that are too similar as the regular stumpy is a great shorter travel companion to my Evil. Yet...still tempted. lol
N+1,always the same 😁🙄. Get the new evo elite alloy as one for all. Coming from a transition spur
Do you think 150 mm travel on the dropper post for S3 is too short?
I'd prefer a 175mm
How tall are you and what size is the bike?
5'8" medium/S3
My understanding of mullets is that they're great for downhill, but not more efficient for climbing, if not more of a hindrance, and flats they're not more efficient either. Therefore, not making them good for an all day adventure as much as they're better off at the bike park or downhills.
hard to know for sure.... I've got a few hundred miles on mullet bikes at this point and I wouldn't say they're all the much worse...
@MTB yumyum but not better or the same? I hear steep climbs is when they lift up more on you.
I had no problems with the front wheel lifting when climbing on this bike
@@seano218 many mullet bikes use flip chips to help address the reduced radius of the 27.5 tire. I haven't seen any that fully offset this 100% so in those cases, the seat angle will be slacker which can cause easier looping out.
The SJ Evo changes the lineage which presumably, fully compensates for this difference. As such. Lopping out shouldn't be an issue.
@@mtbyumyum on steep climbs?
Here is my question….this bike or sb140 with same build kit….???
Lot's of variables here.... wheels size and what sort of riding you want to do...
Hi Jason, I'm currently on the stumpy evo and came from a Ripmo before that. On my evo I almost always ' lock out' the rear shock to climb, my ripmo very rarely did unless it was a fire road climb. My question is, what position were you in on the shock to climb? I find pretty much all fsr's need the lock out or middle setting at least, if you do that I have got pr's up vs my ripmo from that amazing eagle drive train. Thanks, kevin.
Kevin, thanks for your comment. This evo had a rs super deluxe shock, with a lock out and open setting... no middle setting. I switch between the two setting and ultimately left it open. Full lock out is meh in my opinion.... of course it climbed better locked out but feels like riding a 2x4
@@mtbyumyum I wish the bb was just a tad higher on the evo, next stop RM altitude 🤘
@@klassyken i just received evo alloy. In open shock position with correct sag, there is no pedal bob. Lockout is not necessary on this bike. It is light years better than my giant and previous stumpjumper fsr.
@@TheJjyoung333 🤥 hahahah
How does it compare to the Rocky Instinct?
More fun on the descent. Not as nimble and doesn't climb quite as well
How do you think SJ EVO compare to Sentinel 2021?
The SJ is more easy going, maybe climbs a little better and probably a little more fun. Sentinel is crazy stable for the amount of suspension it has, holds a line really well but so does the EVO
I'd have to agree, not an efficient climber. It has no pedaling platform. It truly feels like my 170mm Transition Spire climbs more efficiently. Although the EVO does have great traction while climbing. There have been climbs I was able to clean, that my more fit friend spun out on with his SB130.
Thanks for your comment. Reminds me that I need to remember to mention in these videos that my climbs aren't overly technical but rather long, steep and sustained efforts... so for me and my terrain, pedal efficiency trumps traction for tecky sections. Thank you!
About the Transition Spire, does it make a downhill bike obsolete? Tell me the good and bad about it.
@@pjsanab It feels like it climbs better than my Stumpjumper Evo and is the most comfortable bike I've tried for the bike park. I ride Angel Fire bike park quite a bit and its just so fun there. For now it will be my only bike, I will get a shorter travel bike next year.
@@luckyguy19 I disagree on poor climbing. Maybe my float x has different tune but my evo alloy climbs with absolutely no bob.
this on alloy wheels or alu version on carbons?
I'd go carbon... there are alloy wheels out there available that are light weight and fast rolling...
If you had to pick one do it all bike for southern utah trails what would that bike be?!
Really depends on your speed... Ibis Ripmo, Pivot Switchblade, Rocky Mountain Instinct, S Stumpjumper.... really comes down to trail speed
@@mtbyumyum had a Ripmo af and currently on an offering I’ve only been riding serious for about a year. I’d consider myself intermediate, top speeds on average 25-30mph
You ever get a Revel Ranger for review?
Yep... rode it for a week this same time last year.... never got around to publishing the video tho
Pros closet is ridiculous. Pink bike is the best place to buy used!
I noticed that my SJ Evo climbed better when I stiffen up the shock a little more than recommended and the carbon wheels big difference as well. The sizing is a little wierd . I'm 6'3" and have found with some slight adjustments I can ride an S4 just fine.
For your sizing comment, can you elaborate on the adjustments you felt needed to fit the S4 size?
@@leeabbott4713 I moved all but one of the spacers on the head tube under the handlebars to raise it up some and scooted the seat as far back on the rails as much as was allowed. The seat tube isn't slammed all the way down, I raised it up a couple of inches but it still stays clear to move around when I drop it down.
I’m 6’2” and felt like my knees were at the handlebars on s4. Other than that @ 220, I have found exactly the same.
Just watching this video about it not being a good climber after I just watched the Pinkbike Efficiency Test where the alloy version of this bike climbed the fastest (even. Vs. Lighter carbon bikes). Something doesn't add up with this vid.
I currently own the sj evo and been riding it for more than 6 months now.... unless you ride them back to back you'll be subject to what other people (me, pb or any other publication) have to say about it.... I personally don't value pb reviews. They receive thousands of dollars in advertising and marketing money from basically all major bike brands... what do you think they're going to say. I have nothing to gain from saying what I say. I have a day job and this youtube channel is a hobby... I like the sj evo, it doesn't climb as well as many other bikes in the category and it didn't keep me from buy the bike and riding it for more than 6 months now... in the category, the sb140 lr is the best bike available right now and they're on sale!
Jason I love your reviews but I feel like you missed the mark on this one.
It doesn’t seem like you played around with the headset or the seat stay adjustments at all. If it was just this bike without all of its adjustments it wouldn’t have won pinkbike bike of the year. The stay adjustments not only raise/lower the bb but they also lengthen/shorten the stays which is important. With all the adjustments it allows the bike to because a super snappy fun trail bike in the high/steep position and a super stable and planted enduro machine in the long/low. If you didn’t get to test at least half of the setting available, you didn’t truly ride this bike.
I have owned a lot of bikes in this class (ripmo, lá sal peak, 2018 enduro, evil wreckoning v1) and there are bikes that climb better for sure. The ripmo puts the evo in a corner when climbing. But there is nothing with less travel and nothing the same class that descends as well as this bike in the low/long setting. Heck, it gives a lot of true enduro bikes a run for the money. I mean it can become slacker than the new enduro.
And the ability to make it into a more sporty trail oriented bike for my every day rides is so nice.
It’s not perfect but as a serial bike buyer/seller I’ve had a hard time finding a reason to get something else.
I hear you! And totally wish I had more time to spend on this bike... and this channel. I had no idea this was "pinkbike bike of the year" and you have to understand, they can spend a lot of time on a bike for a review... it's their job. You can't even begin to imagine the hurdles in the way of me doing this channel... first, if I was the pinkbike guy doing reviews I'd have the bike for a 2 months or more just to noodle around on before even having to get out the camera gear to start filming and writing a script. All the while getting paid... I make like $2 an hour here lol, have a full time job and family along with other obligations and hobbies. Second, there are no bike companies sending me bikes to demo... I spend a lot of time trying to get bikes to ride and film. I don't have 80+ hours to dedicate to a video once I get a bike so, you get what I had time to do and that's the best I can do. In all reality, I gave people a look at the bike, and was able to compare it with other bikes I've ridden in the category... and that's more than what most other reviewers do... pinkbike, bikemag and many others area complete jokes in my opinion.... they likely didn't even dog the bike for not climbing all that well... because then they would get the ever important BIG S marketing money spent on their website... They say what they're paid to say.... basically reading from a script regurgitating bike jargin bs.... To your point, you're right... I didn't get a chance to discuss the depth of the bike geo and offerings..... I'll bet ya 80% of the people that buy this bike never change it from the configuration I rode it in anyway. And last of all, if I was on the payroll of most other reviewers making a promising living and able to provide for my family doing this, I would have delivered... but this channel isn't anywhere close to paying the bills so I give it the amount of time and attention I can and try not to beat myself up for not doing as well as the other deep pocketed legit bike reviewer channels or websites.
@@mtbyumyum not OP, but just a random viewer wanting to say thanks and your review did exactly what it was intending with your limited available time. You put it in the common setting and provided a review based on that. Tried the low setting but I understand the dislike of pedal strikes.
I will comment that I do think that PB did review this with a "it's not the best climber" comment. As OP stated, part of the reason it got BotY was because of its adjustability and thus it's versatility while having stellar down hill capability. That was what was more important to them, climbing efficiency is for you.
Thanks again
Brandon,.....What are your thoughts of how the La Sal climbs? And also the Delano Peak if you have ridden that one?
@UClPQstHx-qJe-bPc-fAENcg ,....Very good. Thanks. Living in Utah, I kinda want to get a Utah bike. But the La Sal looks a little funky to me, but if it climbs really well, I guess I can overlook that.
@@tonybasoni8443 I really liked the la sal. I think it's one of the better climbers for that travel range. My buddy and I switched bikes the other day so he could ride my evo. The seat angle of his la sal was very apparent next to my evo. If you're only taking pedaling platform into account then it's definitely not quite the rocket ship that the ripmo is. But the very steep seat angle and minimal pedal bob for a Horst link bike put it just below the ripmo on fire road climbs. On a technical climb I think the seat angle and increased grip of the Horst link give it the edge. I haven't ridden the Delano. My understanding is that it has all the goods of the la sal in a shorter travel package. Either way the Fezzari is such a great price it's sometimes hard to justify much else in it's class.
comparison to the V2 Sentinel?
Easier to ride than the Sentinel, maybe not as stable and feels shorter... not sure if it is or not haha
MTB yumyum climbs about same?
I'd have to ride them back-to-back...
Many comparisons of those 2 online. Sentinel is more progressive and therefore climbs a bit more efficiently but the tradeoff is it feels harsher on the chatter (or less mid bump compliance). Now the Sentinel V2 do to the progression has more reserves for landing bigger jumps/drops.
Yumyum…the offering v1 you criticized for its climbing manners…I disagree. Stick some faster tires and carbon rims and you can shoot up stuff like you wouldn’t believe. Ive had that bike since its inception and I’m telling you its very setup, tire and wheel dependent.
Interesting. I'd love to ride one again sometime soon. I just remember the wreckoning feels as efficient or even more so....
@@mtbyumyum you should try a Following V3. Right up your alley.
@@mtbyumyum was also surprised with your review.
Other reviews (and people I have spoke to on the trail) put the offering closer to following (120) efficiency as compared to wreckoning (160).
That makes sense, I didn't think the following climbed all that well for a 120mm bike... I was able to ride the Offering back to back with the SC Hightower, SB130 and Ripmo... the Offering was easily the worst climbing of the bunch and all had similar tires. That said, the Offering is incredibly fun and offers the highest fun factor
@@mtbyumyum we are talking the new following not what you tested. Also I’m going to throw out that bigger, stronger riders can prob push that offering faster than someone your size. No offense in saying that. But at 145 lbs any “bigger” bike may feel monstrous.
Great bike , rides smooth th-cam.com/users/postUgkxHL1v1R3NE5x4KiYfyt8dnQmyNYz7qi5L I added a bigger spring loaded seat to it . Takes a bit of adjusting cables to get brakes and shifting to perfect . I've owned quite a few bikes in the past that were absolutely uncomfortable to ride and they always ended up as garage wall decor . I'm not seeing that with this one. It's pretty light I've only ridden it a few miles but I like it . As for the pedals falling off in the other reviews , the pedal arms are aluminum along with the pedal studs look to be also . I would not overtighten them. I can see it would be very easy to overtighten them and strip the threads right off . All in all I think it's pretty good quality besides the aluminum pedal thing .