Ep. 123 Counterfeit Castle Creations Motors
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 ก.ค. 2024
- Consumer Advisory: Ebay is being flooded with counterfeit Castle Creations 08xx, 14xx, 15xx, 17xx and 20xx Series motors from China. Click here for a performance test. • Ep. 139: Faux Castle M...
For the record, Castle has no current distribution system within China, so any "Castle"motor shipping from China or Hong Kong probably isn't real. How do you spot one of these fakes? Watch the video to find out.
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Chapter List:
0:00 Intro
0:17 I Got Ripped Off!!!
1:50 List of Faked Castle Motors
3:25 Differences: Real vs. Fake
7:18 How Much Did They Take Me For?
7:54 Why "Real" Motors are Worth the Money
12:02 If it seems too good to be true...
13:40 How to Protect Yourself from Getting Scammed
14:51 Conclusion
Conclusion
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OK what's the difference in mamba x motors they both have an X on the middle of the esc,and the one I have has an X and says mamba in the middle so did get the wrong mamba system or what? Which one is which?just wanna know.
I bought a counterfeit 2650kv 1512 about a year ago, fully knowing it was fake. Other than needing a set of new bearings, it has been a great motor. YMMV.
Gotta quick question my castle esc is all black with the big x in the middle and says mamba right across the center of the big x but my motor is green 2400kvs is that a mix up on the whole combo or does it matter as far as the esc goes?
It's probably better to sort this out with pictures. If you post some in the RC Physics Facebook group, the guys and I will probably be able to help you sort things out. There are some Castle employees that watch the group, so we should be able to give you a good answer.
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I talked to a Castle rep and he actually said that not all of their wires say 200 degrees C on them. Also there can be minor variations in the placement of the lettering due to them using multiple factories for production. So spotting a fake is even harder than it seems.
+Keith Fenton The problem with modern counterfeiters is that they are using a lot of the same agile manufacturing techniques as the real guys, so they can change their designs quickly. The only real way to make sure you get a legit product is to purchase through official dealer channels like Tower Hobbies, A Main, Dollar Hobbies, etc. and stay away from the "too good to be true" deals... unless you just want a $50 motor to bang on.
@SPEEDRC76 - hmmm 🧐🤔🤷♂️ i wonder how do you really tell other than sending it in lol i give up
Good Video rhouse21. Just out of interest, how did the motor perform? It would be good to have a back to back test (fake vs original)
+Phil Y Funny you should ask. I have an upcoming video on that. Stay tuned!
Nice, I will stay tuned :-)
+Phil Y Check out my newest video, RCP #140 for driving impressions.
Nice video. I'm surprised you achieved the speeds you have, so I guess it wasn't all doom and gloom.
It would be good to see your long term video, as you mentioned for bashing (as long as you don't damage your esc etc) but for $50 it's hard call to make.
Maybe castle should think about doing a video to show the difference (just a thought), to justify the costs.
Overall great work and look forward to see your speed machine with the xo motor;-)
+Phil Y Check out my video RCP #137. I was able to hit 102 mph on GPS so far and Dizzy still has a lot left in it.
What's up Rhouse. I wanted to ask what was it that castle said was the easiest way to tell an actual fake? I ask because early editions of the Mamba Monster combos had those same motors. Even if you look all the way back to 2008 Big Squids first ever review of the Mamba Monster series included pictures. Those motors had a sticker, taller wire housings, Inc as well. The sticker covered the opening over the rear bearing. One problem early on with the motors was they the shaft would come out the rear. As to the box theory... unboxing vids here on TH-cam from 2008-10 had the "fake" boxes inside the earlier combos. I'm aware there are definitely fakes out there. But even Castles bulletin doesn't give details. Seems many people unfamiliar with the many revisions castle motors have gone through instantly say they're fake. Just wondering if you might have been given a solid smoking gun item to look for? Love your vids and you've helped me a great deal. Hoping for a little more.
Good points. I think the easiest way to know that you've got a real motor is to be careful about where you buy from. Apparently, some of these fakes are coming from a former supplier, so the they are actually using old castle designs, so it can be very tough to tell sometimes. I think the bottom line is to just buy from trusted resellers and don't go for deals that look "too good to be true."
anyway bro.may i ask U? what is the downside if i want to put a large 2 caps.like 2,200uf in my MM2 with 2200kv motor running 6s 5000mah 35c.Is it possible that this kind of set up something happen to my system?
+JJARM RC Cap packs filter out voltage ripple caused by the "power pulses" of high powered brushless motors. If the individual caps are too large, they cannot recover fast enough to filter out high frequency ripple. This is why Castle generally doesn't use any caps larger than 500uF in their cap packs. Five 470uF caps will generally filter better than one 2,200uF. I've made 8x470uF units for Dizzy & Serlie now for this reason.
Check out the attached video th-cam.com/video/ie8P3ocN1io/w-d-xo.html .
+JJARM RC Here's a link to a pic of my XO-1's 8x470uF Cap Pack installed. facebook.com/rhouse21RCPhysics/photos/a.387922904712557.1073741835.364144830423698/480069538831226/?type=3
So In question how would spot a fake motor?not just by stickers writing on the wires etc. Because my wires on my motor are all black.
The New Sensored Motors all have black wires. You can tell that these are real because they have a sister port on the back of the can. Check out my Sensored Motor Unboxing Haul Video to get more information about what these Motors looks like up close, and personal.
What type of tires are those? I need some
Those are SP Racing rubber tires from Italy that I gave a faux carbon fiber treatment to. They were originally the funky RC green color, so I fely like I had to do something to make them match the car better. DeltaPlastikUSA used to sell them, but they are no longer stocking them. I'm not sure who carries them in the States now.
That's crazy! But $50 for a new Castle motor should've set off an alert bro. And even though it's not a castle it still might be an ok motor. I know you're big on calculations and graphs, but you might need to come out of your gearing comfort zone to hit the numbers you want. I'm not saying use Spacely Sprockets but I see that's a pretty small pinion on it now. As you know...just monitor the heat.
+Dan P (AT EASED1) Actually, I was pretty sure one of the two was counterfeit when I ordered them, but the other surprised me since it came from the same seller as my MM2 ESCs. Oh, and the small pinion is an attempt to push the motor higher into the RPM range so I make the power I need with a lower current draw. I'll let you know how well it works
+Dan P (AT EASED1) Brushless motors are "synchronous motors" meaning the rotor's rotational speed is synchronized with the rotating magnetic field in the motor's coils produced by the ESC. This means that the ESC literally has to command every fraction of a rotation your motor makes and must push enough current to handle the torque demands of your RC. If your RC is geared so you only use 1/2 of your trigger range, you are actually only requesting 1/2 of your available rpm range. Power is torque x rpm. So lower gearing to use more of you available rpm range can actually let you put more power to the ground before reaching your ESC's current limit.
+rhouse21 - RC Physics sounds legit lol
You guys keep on talking... im learning alot . I subbed to both you guys.
i have 2 of the (rip off) Castle motors and they work just as good as my real Castle....just don't over heat them or there done
hey bro how do you go that fast with the low kv motors I have a 4x4 slash I put Xtm120 2000kv combo on 4s and it won't even hit 30
There's two big things that you'll need to get big speed.
1.) You need to really spend some time and get familiar with gearing. There are several good online gearing calculators and apps. They're not perfect, but they'll get you in the right neighborhood. Just remember that all batteries will have some level of voltage sag under load which will reduce your speed.
2.) Invest in some QUALITY LiPos. Not all batteries are created equal. Speed running requires low-sag batteries. The wrong battery can kill a run. I've talked about this a lot on my Facebook page facebook.com/rhouse21rcphysics . Check out some of the rhouse tech corners for more info
+rhouse21 - RC Physics im running 54 spur 18 pinion ive tryed diffrent batteries as well zippy 5800 mah 30c 4s and reaction 5700mah 80c 3s and still no go cant go past 28mph
I ran some quick numbers and 54/18 gearing on 3S should give you 29 mph on a Slash 4x4, so you are pretty performing exactly as geared. 4S with that gearing would only be ~42 mph. To get bigger numbers, you'll need to move to much taller gearing. Check out this site to help you get a better feel for what you should be looking for from a given gear ratio. scriptasylum.com/rc_speed/top_speed.html
Most people switch to Mod 1 (E-Revo type) gears for speed running 1/8 scales with lower kv motors because thet can take more torque. The plastic revo 36 tooth spur is a good chouce for ~70 mph, but you really need to switch to all metal gears once you start gunning for triple digits.
You also have to start paying attention to a lot of other details once you get over ~60 mph. Only run foam or belted rubber tires once you get into this range and ALWAYS balance your tires. make sure your suspension is sitting with a slight "nose down" rake and that your ride height isn't too high. ...and don't forget to watch your aero or you WILL go airborne.
You have a lot of fun to look forward to.
@@albert8090 what pitch gearing are you using? On 3S lipo you should be getting 55+
ok bro.tnx.again with your great ideas.did u run already your XO-1 with 8 caps.?
+JJARM RC It's been installed for a while, but we don't have speed run weather here yet. Dizzy, my Slash 4x4 did 102 with a 4x470uF version though. I'm moving that pack to one of my smaller cars, though. Honestly, the Castle 4x220uF cap pack is plenty for many applications. the XO-1 has a 3x470uF pack in it from the factory, so my large packs are probably WAAAAY overkill. But, since I build them myself and the parts are very inexpensive, I figured "Why not?"
I'm building more that I'm about to list online. Are you interested in one?
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+rhouse21 - RC Physics im goin to let you know bro anyways. thnx again
Thanks for the info, I'm a castle fan and probably would have fell for this eventually.
No problem. Thanks for watching.
I just bought a mamba monster 1515 2200kv motor and esc from my hobbie shop how can I tell if it's fake or not
If it came directly from a hobby shop it is probably ok. However, some shops pick things up from strange places. The big clue should be the box. You can google "fake castle motors box" and find a few forum post of what the fake boxed look like. Also, see if the writing on your wires matches the motor in my video. The biggest indicator will probably be price, though. If it was too cheap to believe, it may not be real.
you know what combo castle creation that would work in SCX10
+Canal do RC Brasil I checked the Axial website and the SCX10 will take any 540/550 soze motor. I'd probably recommend the Sidewinder SCT combo which has a Sidewinder 3 ESC and a Castle 1410 Motor. I have owned several of the Castle 1410 motors and love them.
Link: www.castlecreations.com/products/sidewinder_sct.html
The Sidewinder ESC is stronger than you'd expect and should put out more than enough power for crawling ot the occasional bash session. This is the combo I run in my Basher truck, Scratch and you can see that it definately is not lacking power. Look at RC Physics 121: Team rhouse meets the hill. (Link: th-cam.com/video/FrBddayLIL0/w-d-xo.html)
I hope this helps.
Has anyone verified that these are not Castle motors that are built for over seas sales? I think that could explain the competitive pricing and of course Castle prefers you buy the motor that's built for US sales. I still want to see a comparison of the internals to prove these are completely built in different factories
Nope. They're fake. Castle has confirmed this on their blog and have info to help you distinguish them from real castle motors. They have even sent me an authentic one to test side by side with the fake to prove they do not have the same level of performance and efficiency.
Thanks for the Video, I just bought a used E-maxx with a Castle motor, I will check it out
+Ben Nickerson I'll keep my fingers crossed for you!
Thanks!
i wish i would of watched this vid first lol but I"ve just got a castle 5700kv from Craigslist for my 2wd slash to bash ,n i just checked n it has a castle sticker on it, its been running good so far. i just hope it last me a while lol .. thanks for the vid
+SauWze The sticker doesn't automatically mean the motor is a fake. Apparently there are several versions of the older motors and some did have stickers on the end-cap. Look at the wires and see if the "Castle" writing will rub off. That's on other thing I noticed on my fake motor. Bottom line is that is the motor works for you, it works for you. Some of these faux motors are actually produced by a former Castle supplier using older Castle tech (illegally), so as long as it does what you need it to do... but that's not an endorsement of counterfeiters. ;-)
+SauWze ...And thanks for having my back. :-)
great heads up vid. thanks, I have them saved in my watch list.
+2cwik4u104 Thank you, sir!
LOVE your videos man! Top notch Sir!
Thanks! I appreciate you watching!
Or does it narrow down to the motor which I have is a 2400kv motor.
man thanks for the heads up I just paid $39 for this motor and I feel like I got such a great deal I might go buy a few more
I have really mixed feelings about this motor. It is not a terrible performing motor, but it's not up to the Castle standard. I just wish whoever made it would have just sold it under their own branding. They probably could have sold these for a much higher price that way.
good info...I'll definitely keep my eyes open for that
+Wayne Peeples Thanks. I'll keep everyone updated on how this motor holds up (or if it holds up).
Steve Nue and castle do actually sell cheaper versions of the same motor most of the Steve nue motors aren’t sensored and the castle only motors are the same motor but sensored but only way to find out is get inside and throw it on a motor analyzer
Good info! Thanks for watching.
I love my 1515 China castle..anyway we r just bashing and not racing and for 50bucks why not..comes with 6.5mm billet connectors..😁 at the end of the day it’s man behind the wheel that counts..
Why does the fake and real motors both say made in China?
+Mad_dog101 Agentcow A castle rep confirmed that at least some of these motors are being made my a former supplier. While they look very good, they use older tech internally and lower quality materials. The result are motors that are less efficient, less durable, and completely un-warranteed.
Plus I paid a total of $100 for just a 2400kv motor by castles because I already had the mamba x esc.
I have the black rtr 2200 kv mm is it a real mm2200kv it has power
It may be a Traxxas Castle from the E-Revo. Traxxas used Black Castles in the E-Revo and XO-1s.
thnx for the info.bro.now i know how to determine a fake and a real castlecreations motor.
+JJARM RC Thanks! I appreciate it!
Thanks for sharing the info.
+Joe Schmoe My pleasure!
thanks for the information brother now I know what to look for.
My pleasure!
xtm120 2000kv motor its an expensive combo but I dont know what the problem is I thought it was the low kv motor but now ive seen guys running these 1/8 combos on slash and they go fast may I need a new set up
Al Bert low kV means high torque and fast acceleration. simply get a larger pinion or smaller spur. sacrifice torque/acceleration for higher top speed
I bought a 2200 kv and it's fake like this that showed
The difference between the original CASTLE and these "CHI-NA-FA-KE YUN-SONG" lol ... is huge. When turning the pinion with the fingertips the fake seems to have only bearings and there is no resistance
The original CASTLE is difficult to rotate without electricity.Tks 4 share dude
Edu macaco That doesn’t necessarily mean anything. Lehner motors which are very nice and well built have no resistance in them until they have power running in them. The electricity powers up the magnets somehow. These might have the same type of design inside.
Lehner motors use a "slotless" stator that gives the motors less cogging force, so you can turn them more easily. It also helps them have a smoother start-up. Castle used slotless stators on some of their motors, too, but these days they are relying on more advanced ESC programming and sensored motor tech to solve the startup cogging problem.
Castle creations is produced and distributed here in the United States their located in Olathe,Kansas
The best way to make sure you get a real motor is to get it from a trusted source, such as Horizon Hobby or Castle directly.
@@RCPhysics I purchased mine from a rc hobby shops in which they ordered it from castle creations themselves.
Pull it apart to take a look at the rotor
Oh wow thanks for sharing 👍👍👍
+Tinsley Smith I know I've been seeing a lot of guys using 1512 2650kv motors lately, so I just wanted to get the word out. I've since moved this motor over to my basher Slash and I'm going to see how it acts over time. It is a strong motor, but it feels a lot different in the car. It's a LOT heavier than the 1410 motor I was running in it before (so I think I need to jump to stiffer springs), but it's got a LOT of grunt. It's kinda like switching from a turbocharged small displacement car to a big v8. I'll post a video soon with my impressions so far.
You should run an AUTHENTIC Castle 2650kV motor in the car to see the performance difference between the two motors.
+Jeff Lacina I'd love to, but unfortunately that's not in the budget right now. I have already installed the authentic 1717 1650kv motor and clocked 94.6 mph on 6S LiPo power and "slow" gears. I went back and crunched the data from the run and the authentic 1717 was within 1-2 mph of predicted speeds for both sets of gear ratios I ran that day. On my previous 3S LiPo testing runs which acheived ~71 mph, the counterfeit motor missed my predictions by 6-10 mph.
sorry, i did not watch the entire vid as no time....but how did the fake motor actually perform?I have 1 of these cheap castle 2650's myself. at the price i paid i expected it to be fake, as i'd say you should have (or at least been prepared for)...it performs however very well, far better than its price would have me expect and i'd imagine maybe close to a official motor. i don't agree with fake parts but u pay your money and take your choice. nice 1 for the vid either way.
+maxNluca RC N Stuff! This motor took Dizzy to 70+ mph on 3S (RC Physics #85 (th-cam.com/video/szy_WkRgn2E/w-d-xo.html) and turned a slipper clutch to powder on 6S (th-cam.com/video/PmuJ0ERrk90/w-d-xo.html), so it is NOT a week motor at all. I've also been told by very reputable folks that they have witnessed these motors breaking 100 mph, but they do have a couple of issues.
I actually have a follow-up video where I run this motor and show how it performs in my Slash 4x4 on 3S (th-cam.com/video/9x-VWvwuZ0w/w-d-xo.html). It runs pretty well, but it does not seem as punchy as my Authentic Castle 1410 3800kv motor with the same ESC and battery and actually produces a lot more waste heat, so I had more thermal shutdowns. I know this was waste heat related because my in-line power meter showed the ESC was actually pushing less current than with the smaller motor, so the additional heat was because the 'faux" motor was not quite as efficient. I had a chat with one of the guys from castle who said Castle actually bought a few of these motors and found they were missing some key features that help real castle motors achieve higher efficiency (80-90%) vs. 70-80% for "second tier" motors.
The sad thing is that i think whoever made these motors could probably have sold them under their own branding for twice the price.
thanks for that info. although its fake...as with mine its a great motor for the price..cheers
Some things I don't buy on line, unless I know where it's coming from.
wow man I think this happened to the other guy just the other day and when he did his video he said for the money he should have known that's crazy that people do this shit just like the sj4000 Sport camera like the GoPro hero to me it's better than the GoPro and I was looking it up and there is so many knock offs on that it ain't funny ridiculous I never got one yet I would love to have one but these knock offs are crazy out of control
how is it holding up? just watched the video, man i'm late😁
It's actually still in good working order. I filmed a follow-up a while ago. This motor does not seem to be as efficient as my authentic Castle 14 series motors, so it produces a bit more heat and actually doesn't feel as "punchy" in comparison. I'm thinking about using it to build a load-cell to test batteries since I don't know if I trust it in any of my speed cars. Stay tuned. I'll keep you guys posted.
Pretty sure I bought a fake. I figured there was a good chance it was before I bought it but it was dirt cheap. It has lots of power but it gets extremely hot even when using no more than 1/4 throttle.
If whoever made these motors had just sold them under their own brand, I might actually have become a fan. But the fact that these say Castle means guys expect to run them like a Castle, and they just don't live up to that standard.
Thats very disappointing but i guess its to be expected to some degree considering that C.C is such a reputable motor. Still not an acceptable matter to be taken lightly. Unfortunately its a good representation of a C.C motor....seeing this more and more which is not good. Thx for sharing and putting it out there.
Thanks for watching!
Wow how did it runn tho?
Word on the street is that these were actually made by a former Castle supplier, so they actually run pretty well. The real problem is that they may not have used the same quality of materials internally, so they may not be as durable in the long haul. They are completely un-warrantied, so if you kill it, you've got no back-end support.
hi thank's for the warning ! good job !!
i have buying one off this for see it myself , i oppen it , and it's the same rotor , the same tape , the same balancer weight (blue) the same weight , heaven the magnet have the same power , very funny
but i have the t° and the stamp
and i have to say it's run same performance until 50 lipo pack on a rally car on 5s with the 2650kv motor (i have two same care for me and stepson)
so good job foor the fake ? or bad castle job ??? lol
I've been told that some of the fakes are from a former castle supplier who has continued to produce an old version of the design without legal authority but is now using inferior materials. I'm not sure how true this is, but that's what I heard.
yeah it's what i expect , i see the fake have also longer shaft
thank's for the fast response
have a nice day
marc from france
rhouse21 - RC Physics are they still good motors and are they still as fast
Well it was too late for me i purchased one and performed a speedrun and it shutdown on me a 80mph.
Unfortunately that's a pretty common story from what I heard. They seem to work fine... until they don't. :-(
@@RCPhysics now im running a castle xlx paired with a 2650kv motor 34/50 with a 50v cap pack.
Why is castle letting this happen? They should be going after them for copy right . It could give castle a bad name over time .
This problem is much larger than Castle. The international counterfeit goods market is HUGE and ranges from electronics, to luxury goods, to brake pads.
Unfortunately, some countries don't really honor foreign copyrights, patents, or Intellectual property claims. In fact, Microsoft got a huge black eye recently because they tried to take a stand against Chinese computer makers pirating MS Windows (apparently a very large portion of the installations of Windows in China are bootlegged, including new OEM computers). When Microsoft tried to create a public outcry against the pirates, they were instead attacked for trying to "bullying" local companies. General Motors had a similar reaction when they sued a Chinese company who created a copy of one of their cars so close that you could actually exchange body panels between the two cars.
Some people view it as "innocent" companies just trying to make a buck, but this hurts everyone. Sometimes literally. I heard about a case recently when school bus brake pads were discovered to be made up of clay with no friction material embedded. It's really scary stuff.
It's powerful. But it's not castle. It's 58 dollars on eBay it's a cheap motor an it doesn't last gets hot with too fan. U no castle when u see them .
Very true. Thanks for watching!
The price difference is such a red flag anyone that has high end RC's should know better. Live and learn.
I figured they were either fakes or fell off a truck somewhere. Either way I thought it might make for good video material. Thanks for the comment!
Good nice that u posted that .....did u send a message to eBay about that....
+Rcman1223 Good point. I was going to contact them after got this video up to use it as reference. Thanks for the good word.
Yes no problem brother and I'll be in touch with a friend at castle Monday AM...I have a little pull there so see what they will do about this....we are all looking for deals but not looking to get shafted.
Being they are both made in China they are hard to spot the fake... kinda sucks
+Todd Ullmann Yeah. Ultimately, you have to really look at who you are buying from. I paid a little more for my last few motors to make sure they came from a valid source.
keep this in mind.. I've bought 8 of the 1717 motors from Castle at 75% off normal price.. and 5 other Castle motors online at about the same savings from China and of them are genuine Castle motors.. :)
sometimes paying more does not always mean "real" cuz they are all made in china.. LOL
You should throw in a 1520 in there lol or the 1515 it will fit and a mamba monster 2 or mamba monster x
I've tried a lot of interesting combos since filming this video. I'm planning to break out this motor again for some new testing soon though. Thanks for watching!
nice video. thumbs up
+Rc AVENTURE vincennes Rc hobby Thank you!
rhouse21 - RC Physics cool
You need to speak up, turn the cheasy music off so we can hear you
+travisfrrll1 I appreciate all constructive feedback. I shoot from a smartphone most of the time, so occasionally the audio gets a little muffled. It sounded pretty clear on my editing computer, but it's hard to balance audio with basic (free) editing software so it sounds good on all audio systems. Look. I'm not an professional videographer. I'm just a hobbyist who is trying to have fun and help others avoid the pitfalls I've encountered. I'm sorry you did not like the production value of my video, but I hope it still helped to educate you about a real problem that is affecting a LOT of people out there.
That's right a real castle creations setup is made in Taiwan.
Nope factory in China too.
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW POWER MOTOR ;)
+Kim Dra LOL!
if these things perform fine without the brand price that castle puts on them why not buy the cheaper motor castle prices their motors to high anyways.
+jack w (rc rivals) I beat on that motor pretty hard before I realized it wasn't authentic and it held up ok. Here are some things to keep in mind before you buy one, though.
1.) This motor is less efficient than a real Castle motor. I have not quantified by exactly how much, but it does make more heat and feels less "potent" than my smaller 1410 3800kv motors in the same car with the same type of driving.
2.) I have it on good authority that even though these motors are based on
older Castle designs, they are made with cheaper materials that probably
won't hold up over time.
3.) These motors are completely un-warrantied If you blow it, it's done.
Granted, If you bash hard or speed run, Castle still may not warranty
your authentic motor, but at least you can use the out-of-warranty
program to get a new motor at about 1/2 price.
4.) We may not like to think about things like this, but knowingly buying counterfeit products supports people who are trying to damage legitimate businesses. They are taking advantage of those who are looking for a good deal and using someone else's hard work building a brand to make fast cash. I made a comment once that I didn't understand why whoever is making these motors just doesn't make their own legit brand and charge more money, but you can't legally sell a product that steals other people's designs. Let's be real. The individuals who built these motors are criminals. Instead of using their heads to make their own innovations and compete on the open market, they knowingly and willingly stole designs, manufactured them in large numbers using god-knows what kinds of materials, and defrauded consumers while taking business away from a legitimate company. Do you want to give your money to support people like that?
Sorry. I really don't mean to sound preachy, but this is really a much bigger problem than RC motors. Companies like this are getting bolder and even counterfeiting things like brake-pads and safety that could put lives at risk. It's scary to think of what else these guys my be counterfeiting and what equipment it could be ending up inside of.
+rhouse21 - RC Physics yeah I see where you are coming from. these guys are stealing a brand name. my thinking is if the brand (in this case castle) is making such a generic product that it can be counterfeit like this I think the brand should incorporate some more unique technologies in order to keep counterfeits away. castle makes the same motor as everyone else they were fortunate enough to be partnered with traxxas and known enough to jack it's prices up so much.
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I've heard a few different stories on this, but the bottom line is this isn't just a case of someone making "lookalikes". Someone who understands motor design stole intellectual property to fab "castle-like" motors with cheaper materials. When you buy a big name motor, you're really paying for 2 things, the materials and the workmanship. The designs are all pretty similar because there's only so many ways to build a brushless motor. But it's the materials and workmanship that separate a cheap 70-80% efficient motor that melts at 150 deg F from a "high quality" 90+% motor that you can beat on all day in "race" conditions.
thank you so it sounds about right is goes 29mph I want to go faster
I'll give you a big hint, you want the ratio between your spur and pinion to be a lot closer to 1:1 to give you the gearing you need for serious speed. Your current spur to pinion ratio is 3:1, so you are ~1/3 as fast as you want to be. ;-)
So I need a smaller spur
...and a bigger pinion. Remember, it's the ratio that is important. Gears carry power through your system as torque and rpm. The gear ratio determines how many turns of the motor it takes to get one turn or your car's wheels. Your motor currently takes ~9 turns to make your wheels turn one. That ratio gives you a lot of torque, but it kills your top speed. You ultimately need a "Final Drive Ratio" that is a lot "taller" (fewer motor turns per wheel turn) to get you to your goal. The speed calculator page I posted is a great place to start to figure out how these ratios can work for you.
I will check it out thank you
i heard these fakes or clones are just as good as the castles original.. all electronics go down after a couple years.. castle not the best no more anyways.. jp or jd power has the fastest motors in the world... i buy 1 for $30 -$40 bucks.
A motor has two jobs. 1) to efficiently convert electricity into mechanical energy, and 2) to not blow itself up. These motors seem to do both of those things, but I have found that they are not as efficient as the authentic Castle motors.... and only God knows how long they will run before they die on you.
I bashed with this motor in my Slash 4x4 and found it to feel less "punchy" than my smaller 1410 3800kv motor on 3S. It also drove the sidewinder ESC into thermal overload much more often and produced more waste heat. Still, it is strong and seems much tougher than any other $30-$40 motor I've seen. I just don't know why these guys didn't just put their own branding on these motors and sell them for $50-$75 each instead of trying to defraud the community.
Team69 Racing tell me where you get your motors(website) cus I would lile to try a cheap one. ispent $130 on a 1/10 scale motor for a rustler and i love it, but a cheap one for my slash would be nice.
i was just wondering if one of these would be able to run in a losi mini 8ight t
This is Castle Chination lol
LOL!
Not bad speed for fake
+Jorge Ochoa True, but Lamont just blew one up at the RUN DMV Season Opener this weekend. That's the thing. They might be ok for your application, but they might not.
+rhouse21 - RC Physics mmhhmm that's sucks lol I guess not that great then thank .
+rhouse21 - RC Physics I have a question for you I'm trying to make my stampede 2wd reach at least 60 I have put a sidewinder 3 5700kv on 3s should I invest in a 7700kv and run it on 2s by the way my gearing is 86 and 26 all metal gears and dif and transmission case I broke both shaft I am thinking about getting the integy shafts do you know of any other better option
+Jorge Ochoa Maybe, maybe not. With the gears he was running, he may have killed a real castle motor!
+rhouse21 - RC Physics oh ok maybe maybe not I see thanks for your response 👍
They all run the same dude no better speed u just get prolly bad bearings slap a capacitor on that bad boy and u flat foot balling
Unfortunately, there's more to it than that. These are not really "bad" motors. They just aren't built to the same standards as authentic Castle motor, so they don't match the overall performance and can't be punished like real Castle motors without failing. And when they finally burn out, the buyer is stuck with no option for repair or replacement.
Audio sucks
Sorry. This was an early video. I've improves the audio a lot since back then.