Saying that goku doesn't scale to 5D is insane and not only that he has inmeasurable speed thanks to hit and otherworld scaling, so saying anything below 5D is a crazy downplay
Actually this fight is not even interesting because, we are going to take the Bethel of the 5th epoch, it means all the five people will be blessed with the blessing of GREAT MOTHER. "Glory to the GREAT MOTHER"
Well, I'm not Goku fan (LotM fan actually) and I agree with this video. Only aspect I can think of, that could give Goku's team victory, is fact, that in DB universe, if you are powerful enough, you can ignore abilities of others. Like someone change you into candy, but you can still fight as candy etc. But that isn't perfect and always working and I honestly don't believe, that abilities from LotM couldn't work around it. But that is only argument I can think of, that could change outcome.
TH-camrs judge Saitama in a strange scale. Dont know how they say that Saitama is a galatical threat or an Universal. His past fights are not a good reference (even though he punched through dimensions already). Different from all other characters, Saitama is not defined by the constraints of his reality, he is defined by a single conception, "One Punch Man". The limiter thing is a necessary idea to sustain this explanation, but the concept works just like this: he will defeat EVERY enemy in a single punch. This is boring, of course, but it is toon force so he can defeat all enemies in a single punch. It's wrong to put him in an Hard Grounded or soft grounded anime. He is more like Mascara or Dead Pool than with an OP character like Reinhardt
What are you on about? The limiter is his ability. That’s it. One punch man isn’t even a gag manga and garou took multiple full power punches so he can’t one shot everything.
He is way away from toonforce and in verse has found foes he couldn't defeat in one punch, Garou vs Saitama straight up showed that Saitama has limits, anything that isn't tied to those limits like Garou was but instead surpasses them by a good enough margin would kill Saitama
He forgot that Goku can negate hax of weaker opponents and he scales to 5D. Also you did not include any explanation and scaling for team one so maybe if you tell me I'll change my mind.
I'll tell u the scaling 1) Reinhardt confirmed 1A because odd laguna who is the soul of the verse can be beaten by him with any divine protections!! She's a transcience being above causality and existence of the verse itself making her outerversal(low-high) 2) LOTM characters from volume 3 is already capable of outperforming odd laguna and is between 1A-Above tiering 3) Honestly, Arthur's there to rub it in😂
Despite loving Reinhard, I think Rein would lose to Saitama. Saitama is literally the idea that someone who will never be beaten, but Reinhard (for character purpose) will be beaten in one way or another. He's the strongest, but He can turn off his hax, or at some point in the show Od Laguna will be deactivated.
reinhard is getting carried he's 3d no matter what his hax are he isn't rimuru with his 6d dimensionality. goku being a 5d fodder would neg his hax and erase him from existence with a hakai. thats if you plug a controller up his ass tho in character he would just spar with reinhard then say it was fun then leave
The only problem is that author uses logic for anime fights where Goku can just shout and gain power beyond your imagination or saitama get infinite strength without explanation how he did it(probably will continue with 100 push ups, 100 sit ups... you get it). My point: in anime fights logic doesn't work.
@@derekl.2902 kamila is a perfect character, she is a actual person not a plot device, she brought so much character development for the mc that is undoubtedly the changing point of the story becoming more adult, and the mc finally getting off his edgy teenager phase, and no, the power system is not at all even close to TBATE, it has nothing at all even remotely close. only incels dislike kamila, cus she represents a normal relationship between adults, something they never will and had in their lifes.
@@isaac15752What do you mean they're not remotely close? Don't they both share mana cores and progress by absorbing and purifying mana? The first few stages/colors are literally the same. Have we read the same story?
@@fizzontsJust Bethel alone is enough. He can replicate any of Aizen's skills and have authority over sealing too. Not to mention fleeing or hiding. Bethel has teleportation and he has authority to locate which makes him find anything he desires anywhere, any time he wants to.
@@ProtectorKelvin Such a foolish statement. That's like saying Aizen's spiritual pressure erases everyone in this list. This would only work on the characters from the same verse
@@adityatiwari2543Omg are you'll Indians this dense in powerscaling? Aizen would wipe out anyone in a fight with his spiritual presence ONLY if he was stronger than them and having a higher cosmology. Aizen at max is 5D the other team has 5D+ cosmo and hax. In powerscaling and fight comparisons EVERYTHING, and I mean EVERYTHING is taken into account so yes, Aizen's spiritual presence is also in the fight but he ain't winning.
I have no idea what the fuck those FTL Low complex whatever things are, can't we just use simpler terms like planet-level/galaxy-level/universe-level and multiverse-level ? holy
Complex multi is basically anyone character who can create or destroy an 5th to 11th dimensional space, realm or structure or fight or defeat someone who can. And FTL just means Faster than light.
Meant to say team 1 slams 😭 Also Join our Novel scaling discord: discord.com/invite/9EgeRqD4U6
Imagine trying to fight them and dying because you saw a worm.
Lol
Not worm, but it a kin to a insect but more abstract
Saying that goku doesn't scale to 5D is insane and not only that he has inmeasurable speed thanks to hit and otherworld scaling, so saying anything below 5D is a crazy downplay
Actually this fight is not even interesting because, we are going to take the Bethel of the 5th epoch, it means all the five people will be blessed with the blessing of GREAT MOTHER. "Glory to the GREAT MOTHER"
😂😂😂😂
We have a heritic among us
Praise the Great Mother!! ⋋✿ ⁰ o ⁰ ✿⋌
Cant wait for some DB fan to come in and say "Goku solos🗣🗣"
Edit : 1:20 bro did not just say "team 2 slams no diff"
I know he made a mistake
Well, I'm not Goku fan (LotM fan actually) and I agree with this video. Only aspect I can think of, that could give Goku's team victory, is fact, that in DB universe, if you are powerful enough, you can ignore abilities of others. Like someone change you into candy, but you can still fight as candy etc. But that isn't perfect and always working and I honestly don't believe, that abilities from LotM couldn't work around it. But that is only argument I can think of, that could change outcome.
ah good catch
Yeah where are those delusional fans 😂
Goku solos
@@lancer_ivar irony?
TH-camrs judge Saitama in a strange scale. Dont know how they say that Saitama is a galatical threat or an Universal. His past fights are not a good reference (even though he punched through dimensions already). Different from all other characters, Saitama is not defined by the constraints of his reality, he is defined by a single conception, "One Punch Man". The limiter thing is a necessary idea to sustain this explanation, but the concept works just like this: he will defeat EVERY enemy in a single punch. This is boring, of course, but it is toon force so he can defeat all enemies in a single punch. It's wrong to put him in an Hard Grounded or soft grounded anime. He is more like Mascara or Dead Pool than with an OP character like Reinhardt
What are you on about? The limiter is his ability. That’s it. One punch man isn’t even a gag manga and garou took multiple full power punches so he can’t one shot everything.
He is way away from toonforce and in verse has found foes he couldn't defeat in one punch, Garou vs Saitama straight up showed that Saitama has limits, anything that isn't tied to those limits like Garou was but instead surpasses them by a good enough margin would kill Saitama
He forgot that Goku can negate hax of weaker opponents and he scales to 5D.
Also you did not include any explanation and scaling for team one so maybe if you tell me I'll change my mind.
I'll tell u the scaling
1) Reinhardt confirmed 1A because odd laguna who is the soul of the verse can be beaten by him with any divine protections!! She's a transcience being above causality and existence of the verse itself making her outerversal(low-high)
2) LOTM characters from volume 3 is already capable of outperforming odd laguna and is between 1A-Above tiering
3) Honestly, Arthur's there to rub it in😂
@beastgamer-kd8ei Being above causality without context would only make you above 5D
Only Reinhard was needed to destroy the whole Team 2
Even perfection recognizes reinhards ability
Despite loving Reinhard, I think Rein would lose to Saitama.
Saitama is literally the idea that someone who will never be beaten, but Reinhard (for character purpose) will be beaten in one way or another. He's the strongest, but He can turn off his hax, or at some point in the show Od Laguna will be deactivated.
Saitama can be beaten, even if he is written to be unbeatable he can always be outhaxed
Garou vs Saitama literally shows a graph indicating Saitama has limits, just because Garou couldn't do it doesn't mean it can't be done.
You know what, you earned my respect for scaling Goku above baldy Saitama.
i saw this matchup on reddit
reinhard is getting carried he's 3d no matter what his hax are he isn't rimuru with his 6d dimensionality. goku being a 5d fodder would neg his hax and erase him from existence with a hakai. thats if you plug a controller up his ass tho in character he would just spar with reinhard then say it was fun then leave
The only problem is that author uses logic for anime fights where Goku can just shout and gain power beyond your imagination or saitama get infinite strength without explanation how he did it(probably will continue with 100 push ups, 100 sit ups... you get it).
My point: in anime fights logic doesn't work.
The Goku downplay is kinda insane tbh
Well Saitama can automatically scale to be stronger than Reinhard. Reinhard has a limit, saitama does not
No limits fallacy.
I know that Reinhard is strong, but i’ve seen someone say that he has the “potential to be 1-A” 😭
He’s maybe 3C-3A in my opinion
have you ever read supreme magus ? i find the power system in that book very interesting.
Its legit the same as TBATE's although idk which came first also it fell off pretty hard (Kamila)
@@derekl.2902 kamila is a perfect character, she is a actual person not a plot device, she brought so much character development for the mc that is undoubtedly the changing point of the story becoming more adult, and the mc finally getting off his edgy teenager phase, and no, the power system is not at all even close to TBATE, it has nothing at all even remotely close.
only incels dislike kamila, cus she represents a normal relationship between adults, something they never will and had in their lifes.
@@isaac15752 Explain how Lith progresses in power real quick also most of current Supreme Magus is filled with unlikeable characters and melodrama
@@isaac15752What do you mean they're not remotely close? Don't they both share mana cores and progress by absorbing and purifying mana? The first few stages/colors are literally the same.
Have we read the same story?
@@AhmedHassan-kl8ew true, LOTM is just like a cultivation wuxia then as well, following your own argument
Arthur can just static void and erase them, or just erase their fate and turn them into vegetables
Correction: Goku = Low Multiversal
Aizen = Multi Galaxy
Saitama = Galaxy
I have moots who would skin me if I put Aizen below multi+ 😭
@@LNhistorian so that's wassup understandable Imao😂
@@LNhistorian i scale aizen to 5d 😅 still a victim of team 1 ngl
i dont think team 1 can kill aizen tho
Why could you please explain your reasoning?
@@barnabhaghosh3576 they cant see and hit him or even they cant he is immortal kinda
@@fizzontsall of the guys in team 1 are immortal except for maybe Arthur
@@attendant_of_mysteries ye im not saying team 2 win
@@fizzontsJust Bethel alone is enough. He can replicate any of Aizen's skills and have authority over sealing too.
Not to mention fleeing or hiding. Bethel has teleportation and he has authority to locate which makes him find anything he desires anywhere, any time he wants to.
Scaling is correct I guess, meanwhile Db fans 💀
Aizen is Mountain range level acc to On screen feats. Planetary to multi planetary with the help of statements.
Saitama one shots Team 1
Saitama is dead because he's a "Human"
Bethel as mythical creature would wipe them all out just by existing
@@ProtectorKelvin Such a foolish statement. That's like saying Aizen's spiritual pressure erases everyone in this list. This would only work on the characters from the same verse
Incorrect, look at my Mythical creature form scaling video.
@@adityatiwari2543Omg are you'll Indians this dense in powerscaling?
Aizen would wipe out anyone in a fight with his spiritual presence ONLY if he was stronger than them and having a higher cosmology. Aizen at max is 5D the other team has 5D+ cosmo and hax.
In powerscaling and fight comparisons EVERYTHING, and I mean EVERYTHING is taken into account so yes, Aizen's spiritual presence is also in the fight but he ain't winning.
Tell me you didnt read the novels for team 1 without telling me you didnt read the novels:
He read those tho
Except shonen ofc(ig)
I have no idea what the fuck those FTL Low complex whatever things are, can't we just use simpler terms like planet-level/galaxy-level/universe-level and multiverse-level ? holy
Complex multi is basically anyone character who can create or destroy an 5th to 11th dimensional space, realm or structure or fight or defeat someone who can. And FTL just means Faster than light.