Can you solve for the shaded areas? 3 great puzzles

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  • These are 3 interesting questions. How many can you solve?
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  • @Gymratz20
    @Gymratz20 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +255

    I almost feel offended whenever I can't solve a problem and he comes out with "This question was given to 15-16 year olds"

    • @jamessanchez3032
      @jamessanchez3032 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      I wouldn't be surprised if it was the very hardest problem on the PSAT.

    • @trevinbeattie4888
      @trevinbeattie4888 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      I get over that by remembering that those kids are in school and still have the tools for solving these problems fresh in their minds. My tools have been rusting in the attic. 😅

    • @custos3249
      @custos3249 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Helps when you realize this type of question, like most math questions, has extremely limited relevance to the real world, and even the "smart" people who manage to secure jobs that practically use core principles applied here rarely see problems like this if ever. It's more mathturbation than anything else and not much different to sudoku or other puzzles.

    • @NicoA223
      @NicoA223 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      As a 15 year old, I also feel offended

    • @leif1075
      @leif1075 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      We're you able to solve this one?

  • @MathsMadeSimple101
    @MathsMadeSimple101 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +108

    Plot twist: the white regions are the shaded parts

    • @anupamshukla6357
      @anupamshukla6357 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Wait,

    • @wmpowell8
      @wmpowell8 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Their areas would depend on their thicknesses, which are not given

  • @esculturaronaldestabaya8508
    @esculturaronaldestabaya8508 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +56

    The solution for problem 1 was elegantly done. Great job!

  • @euromicelli5970
    @euromicelli5970 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +65

    For problem 1, _any_ curve going from the center to the circle and rotating around the center will sweep the same area for the same rotation angle, regardless of its shape (this gets trickier to define for certain shapes where you have to contend with negative areas, but it holds). Therefore the sector (due to straight line rotation) and the claw (due to circular curve rotation) must have the same area. But a 15 year old would not know that (it probably requires calculus), so I like your explanation a lot.

    • @mike1024.
      @mike1024. 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Good point, similar principle to stacking infinitely thin squares to build a pyramid but the apex can be moved and the shape even warped and still work as long as the slices are the same. Gets kind of funny in this problem and is most likely polar in its proof though.

    • @divisix024
      @divisix024 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      This is equivalent to the following statement: Any curve from the center to the circle and rotating around the center sweeps the same area as the sector with the same angle.
      Let the center be C. Any point on the curve A would be taken to another point A’ as if A has moved along the circle centered at C and with radius AC=A’C for the same angle the entire curve has rotated. And the same applies for the straight line segment of the sector as well, for a sector can be seen as the area that a radius of the circle swept by rotating around the center for some angle. In other words, there is some B and B’ on the circle with radius AC such that the sector CBB’ has a central angle as the curve has swept. Then the arcs AA’ and BB’ are equal and thus the whole curve sweeps the same area as the sector.
      This is very much not rigorous, but if you were to make it rigorous it’s pretty much the same as calculus.

    • @mari-with-a-gun
      @mari-with-a-gun 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      idk I’m sixteen and I figured that out. It’s basically the same visual logic as proving that the area of a parallelogram is equal to the base times the height, regardless of the angles & other side lengths of the parallelogram

  • @wobaguk
    @wobaguk 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

    In terms of question 1, I visually just thought if you kept rotating the offset circle by 20 degrees, you would get a partition of a whole circle into 18 equal 'claws' because there are 18 20s in 360. So if the half circle is 72, a whole circle is 144, and an 18th of that is 8. This doesnt require addition and subtraction of overlapping areas.

    • @jd35711
      @jd35711 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      exactly the method i used (and how i realized that The Claw must have an area equal to The Wedge)

    • @kalyana9705
      @kalyana9705 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      That's a brilliant approach 👏 👌

    • @wmpowell8
      @wmpowell8 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      That's how I solved the problem also. But before doing so I came up for a geometric argument for why it works: the tangent lines to the two arcs at point Q are both perpendicular to their respective semicircles. So like the semicircles, they'll be at an angle of 20°. The two arcs are also equivalent, since you can just rotate one to the other, which also hints towards the process of rotating the claw in increments of 20°.

  • @borisjerkunica4442
    @borisjerkunica4442 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    3rd problem is easiest if you color the middle part Green. So Yellow = 49-8pi-Green and Blue = 49-9pi-Green . Therefore Yellow - Blue = pi

    • @SP-es1he
      @SP-es1he 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Perfect 🍦

    • @gummy8643
      @gummy8643 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Nice!

  • @ArloLipof
    @ArloLipof 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    In problem 3 you don’t need the 7 (as long as it is > 6; even if it is > 10, b = 0 but the answer still holds). Great visual presentation as always!

  • @sunnychow2518
    @sunnychow2518 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    BINGO!!! I got all three correct!!! A huge sense of satisfaction!!!

  • @henrygreen2096
    @henrygreen2096 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    These were fun! The solution you did for 3 is so satisfying I can't believe I didn't do it that way!

  • @mike1024.
    @mike1024. 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I stared at problem 1 for a minute and saw the really neat method prior to watching the video. It's the same area as the 20 degree sector! The problem in general is a very cool idea.
    As for problem 3, I immediately thought about canceling areas since there are some overlaps. It basically boils down to a radius 3 circle minus two radius 2 circles since each overlap is uniquely determined by a quarter circle and semicircle. You overthought that one, eh? We all do that sometimes.

    • @not_interested0_0
      @not_interested0_0 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Broo that's such a great observation!!
      But I wanted to know how to write something that counterintuitive as a proof.
      Also, are you preparing for the IMO (International Mathematics Olympiad)?

  • @markstahl1464
    @markstahl1464 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Those were some of the best area puzzles you’ve shown us in a while! They were challenging, but fair; and I like that I didn’t need advanced math to solve them.

  • @LiamHighducheck
    @LiamHighducheck 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    As I did each problem I learned how to think about the next one differently.
    I did the first one in a really time consuming way where I found the radius and the area of the bulging triangle (with good ol pythag cause no trig allowed) and eventually came to 8 for the shaded region, after which I noticed 8 was the same thing I got for the 20 degree sliver and then all the dots connected in my head and I realised this problem could’ve been done in seconds.
    Then for the next one I was more on my guard, I started thinking about different ways intersections could cancel and I started writing algebraic word problems with things like semi, extra, main area, mini triangle, big triangle. Eventually I figured out you could divide stuff into mini triangles then from there it was just working stuff out albeit still in a more convoluted way then shown in the video.
    Then for the last one seeing it was a subtraction and having done the other 2 I figured you would be able to do this with some huge cancellation at the end so I pretty much immediately wrote out the solution shown and ended up solving it much faster than the others.
    Cool video

    • @MoireFly
      @MoireFly 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The hint in the first one that this was given to pre-trig teenagers was (for me) pretty helpful; I'm not the best at these puzzles, but once you're looking for tricky bits of equal area or sneaky symmetries, then the knowledge that there has to be a straightforward one helps finding it. For me the third one was the easiest; and the second the hardest - the explicit subtraction in the third one seems like a good hint that it's worth considering parts that are equal between the two operands of the subtraction - hey, those black bits! I gave up on number two after a minute or so.

    • @User-jr7vf
      @User-jr7vf หลายเดือนก่อน

      I just used Calculus and threw everything into a calculator to get the answer. I know this isn't the smart way of doing it, but I wouldn't be able to solve it otherwise.

  • @WoodyC-fv9hz
    @WoodyC-fv9hz 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Hi Presh,
    the 3rd problem is much easier to solve. Since the center section stays the same for all considerations, I can ignore it. The black overlapping areas are completely symmetrical and account for equal area deductions and can therefore also be ignored.
    All you need to do is to assemble the complete circles, which are ONE 3^2Pi (from 4 quarters in the corners) and 4 half-circles, being 2^2Pi (sitting on the center edges), and compare their respective area difference.
    3^2Pi - 2*2^2Pi = 9Pi - 8Pi = Pi. Done.

  • @peterdavis9403
    @peterdavis9403 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Had a real hard time with understanding # 3 as I only saw the thumbnail and thought it was looking for the sum of orange and blue areas. Then I went back and actually listened to the problem...

  • @quigonkenny
    @quigonkenny 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Problem 2:
    Draw lines from each vertex of the bestagon to the opposite vertex. This will separate the hexagon into six equilateral triangles, each with side length 2. Now draw two more equilateral triangles, each of side length 3, connecting the centers of each semicircle with the two on either side of the semicircle opposite (you'll get a six-pointed star). This will further break up the hexagon into 24 equilateral triangles, each with side length 1.
    The area we need is the six central triangles (A), minus the six circular segments corresponding with those triangles. The circular segments are each composed of a 60° sector (B) minus a triangle (A). So the formula is 6A - 6(B-A), or 12A - 6B. 6B is equal to one full circle, and 12A is equal to half the area of the hexagon.
    A = (3√3/2)(s²/2) - πr²
    A = (3√3/4)2² - π1²
    A = 3√3 - π
    Problem 3:
    This one is actually much simpler than it initially appears. You can see the solution if you imagine orange as positive and blue as negative. The black areas in between are where the positives and negatives have cancelled out.
    The area we are looking for is 4 of the corner quarter circles (which equals to one circle of radius 3), minus 4 of the side semicircles (which is 2 circles of radius 2).
    A = πR² - 2πr²
    A = π3² - 2π2²
    A = 9π - 8π = π

  • @draughtoflethe
    @draughtoflethe 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    My solution for 3 was, I think, a little simpler. I just rephrased Orange and Blue in terms of each other -- in other words, let QC = (the area of the quarter-circle segments) and SC = (the area of the semicircle segments), and
    Orange = QC - SC + Blue
    Blue = SC - QC + Orange
    In order to find Orange - Blue, we can simply substitute one of our expressions, so
    Orange - Blue = (QC - SC + Blue) - Blue = QC - SC + Blue - Blue = QC - SC
    Since we can easily find the area of the quarter-circle segments (9pi) and the semicircle segments (4pi x 2, or 8pi), we can see that Orange - Blue = 9pi - 8pi, or simply pi.

  • @philipkudrna5643
    @philipkudrna5643 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The solution of problem 3 was very elegant!

  • @gasmonkey2.075
    @gasmonkey2.075 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I rarely comment, However when I saw how elegantly you solved these problems which to me were so intimidating in appearance. It made me it made me audibly go "huh that's really fascinating", anyways just wanted to say I enjoyed the unique (to me) perspective.

  • @slytherinbrian
    @slytherinbrian 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    I did all the calculus for part 3, to come up with the area of the overlap is about 3.126. It was at that point I realized this number had to be completely meaningless, and went back and solved it the way you did. Nice problems!

    • @mike1024.
      @mike1024. 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Sounds like your numerical integration wasn't that precise, but that's close enough to pi that I might be thinking about it since the problem is all about circles.

    • @ArbitraryCodeExecution
      @ArbitraryCodeExecution 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      i did it without calc and i got 1.789

  • @IceAndFlameL755
    @IceAndFlameL755 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Glad to see I was able to solve all 3. Sometimes I worry I can't think through stuff like this anymore since I finished college.

  • @qazsedcft2162
    @qazsedcft2162 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The solution to no 3 is genius!

  • @nimiugn
    @nimiugn 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    For problem 3:
    Orenge - Blue
    = (Orenge + intersected) - (Blue + intersected)
    = Corner ¼circles - Middle semicircles
    = π3² - 2π2²
    = π

  • @Harsh24877
    @Harsh24877 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Congratulations Presh for that you are going to have 3 million subscribers , we ( the audience) demand a story of yours , about how u started the channel and all that stuff.

  • @darthTwin6
    @darthTwin6 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It’s interesting just how helpful it was to look at the big picture with these problems, thinking less about the calculations and more about the big picture. For the third problem, I embraced the symbols and looked at the area of the whole square minus the 4 middle circles. I saw it was equal to the area of the 4 orange plus that weird middle square. Doing the same with the square minus the corner circles, I saw it equaled the blue plus the same weird square! Realizing the square cancelled simplified the problem instantly.
    I just love how it shows the value of the big picture and encouraged me to think in new ways

  • @vincent412l7
    @vincent412l7 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    PSAT is Pre-SAT (Scholastic AptitudeTest). SAT used by colleges (universities) as part of admissions consideration.

  • @ravengorospe8398
    @ravengorospe8398 หลายเดือนก่อน

    OMG! I happen to get the correct answer to the 3rd one in my first try! without looking on your solving. I got pi and checked the final answer and voilà! I'm sooo happy!

  •  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    from Morocco...all my respects mr genious

  • @user-hu9rd7jk8v
    @user-hu9rd7jk8v 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You are a real professional in Math

  • @nicholasharvey1232
    @nicholasharvey1232 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    These videos make me realize that I'm just not as good at math as I used to think I was.

  • @fsyi8395
    @fsyi8395 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    We need more problem solving methods like 1 and 3, solving problems intelligently instead of relying on high level techniques

  • @Bigleyp
    @Bigleyp 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I couldn’t solve part 3 at first as I decided to start with that one. But I couldn’t do it so I did part 1 first and that somehow made me able to do part 3.

  • @darbyl3872
    @darbyl3872 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I thought "man that's really hard". Then I had the answer in 15 seconds.

  • @HyperFocusMarshmallow
    @HyperFocusMarshmallow 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ok, quick intuition on the first problem.
    We have a circle(by extending the semicircle) around the point O.
    Then we have a semicircle (equal to the first on by having the same area) attached to O at its coroner, free to rotate.
    If we rotate that semicircle around the O joint it sweeps out an area.
    The trick here is to notice that if it rotates the whole way around the circle, the arc edge between O the border must sweep out the entire area. And by symmetry pieces sweeping out equal angles must be the same regardless of the starting angle.
    If we sweep out a fraction of the angle around the circle the swept are must be proportional to that fraction.
    The fraction is 20/360=1/18.
    The area of the entire disc would be 2*72.
    Hence the blue area should be 72/9=8.

  • @blendz-3ther
    @blendz-3ther หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    as an eighth grader who learned this type of math quite literally yesterday, i feel angered that problem three was simply pi. i’ve gotten used to such complicated equations leading to complicated answers that such a simple answer shocked me.

    • @priyankaagrawal2321
      @priyankaagrawal2321 หลายเดือนก่อน

      i am in 8th and i finished most of calculus other than vectors.

  • @duncanbrown3044
    @duncanbrown3044 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Problem 2 visual solution is nice but it relies on the fact that the semicircles’ intersection point aligns with the triangular grid, and no proof of that was given.

  • @padraiggluck2980
    @padraiggluck2980 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    For problem 1 I used a rotation matrix to get the points of intersection. Then drop a perpendicular from the first point of intersection to the third semicircle breaking the area up into two sections. Then just add two integrals.

  • @Waldlaeufer70
    @Waldlaeufer70 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I liked the first one: a full circle consists of 18 "claws" (

  • @jasperbarnett6819
    @jasperbarnett6819 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You can use a similar overlapping areas argument as you did for problem 1 to solve problem 3 very quickly. The overlapping area is being subtracted from both the orange and blue areas, so it has no impact on their difference. Thus, we can simply take the total area of the quarter circles and subtract the total area of the semicircles. The only tricky bit is that the square has to be large enough for none of the semicircles to intersect each other (so it has to have a side length greater than or equal to sqrt(2)*semicircle radius), and similarly for none of the quarter circles to intersect each other (so side length greater than or equal to 2*quarter circle radius). Cases where you do have such self-intersections (eg. if you changed the side length to 5) are much more complicated, depending on how the new overlap regions are colored.

  • @deerh2o
    @deerh2o 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Really great problems, all of which hinge on how you plan the approach. Nice to link them together in one video.

  • @tomdekler9280
    @tomdekler9280 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have NEVER felt this hype about solving these without pen and paper. Every time I had an insight I was fistpumping. Every time I managed to do all of the calculations and get to the right answer at the end I got a "Booya!" out. Very satisfying!

  • @Duke_of_Lorraine
    @Duke_of_Lorraine 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Intuitively, it's a 20° rotation of the same figure (relative to the center) on the half circle so 1/9 of the angle, hence 1/9 of the surface area of the half circle.

  • @jd35711
    @jd35711 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    re prob 1, there is a simple intuitive solution, as follows:
    the "claw" results from rotating semicircle R by 20°. if you rotate R' by 20°, you get another claw with an identical area. if you do this 16 _more_ times, the claws perfectly fill _circle_ Q, which has an area of 144. 144/18 = 8

  • @CarboAter
    @CarboAter 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    At this point forming these shapes on a polar coordinate system and finding the area by integration is taking the easy path.

  • @justpaulo
    @justpaulo 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The 1st & 3rd problems are very easy. I had somewhat more trouble with the 2nd problem.

  • @ArbitraryCodeExecution
    @ArbitraryCodeExecution 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    yay i figured out the 6:25 part (now ive learned to not be so greedy with calculating stuff bc it might just cancel out, but it still was insightful to solve)

    • @ArbitraryCodeExecution
      @ArbitraryCodeExecution 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      the area of one of those weird shapes is ≈ 1.789

  • @TanmaY_Integrates
    @TanmaY_Integrates 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    2nd question is impossible to solve without the help of equilateral triangle.
    Le me, who can never think of a triangle in this problem. Now I am aware about eq.. tri.. in hexa.. problems. Thank you

    • @nripdave673
      @nripdave673 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      i earlier knew that
      that was an AMC 10 previous year question

  • @archimidis
    @archimidis 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    4:24 Indeed this did create a ... mess!

  • @KushalSehrawat-22-11
    @KushalSehrawat-22-11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hmmm mmm , this question was on easy side 👁️👁️ . I would say , it is doable in 3-4 minutes by an average student .

  • @ajaykumarharijan8746
    @ajaykumarharijan8746 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Wow, algebra works almost everywhere

  • @MrMichaelBradfield
    @MrMichaelBradfield 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    simple proof that the two prove the two shapes in common have the same area:
    draw triangles inside the shape, two triangles with the exact same side lengths will be congruent, in this case we have two equilateral triangles, each side of the triangle is a sine of the same length arc (because of it is an equilateral triangle)... hence one shape is really a 20 degree rotation of the other

  • @StalkerX86
    @StalkerX86 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    First I thought it is hard problems. Then I tried to solve them and found an easy solutions to all three.

  • @markstahl1464
    @markstahl1464 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The 3rd puzzle is deceptively simple. The overlapped areas are shared, so they don’t factor into the difference. For this reason, they should be ignored. The four quarter circles make up a single circle with radius 3, so the area is 9pi. The four semicircles make up two circles with radius 2, so the area is 8pi. The difference is 9pi - 8pi = pi.

  • @sphakamisozondi
    @sphakamisozondi 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My jaw dropped on the last question, what a simple approach

  • @jackdisbury1047
    @jackdisbury1047 หลายเดือนก่อน

    For the third problem I solved it by doing (49-8pi)-(49-9pi) as the middle are of the square cancels out as its in both shapes

  • @BalderOdinson
    @BalderOdinson 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    just to straighten out the thumbnail: the SAT is used in college admissions. The PSAT is a pretest that is administered several years prior and is used for preperation for the SAT and as a placement barometer for High School.

  • @santiagoarosam430
    @santiagoarosam430 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Problema 1.- (2*72)/(360/20)=72/9=8
    Problema 2.- Área de un hexágono de lado =1 → p=6*(√ 3/2)/2 =6√3/4 → Área círculo que lo circunscribe =⊓*1²=⊓ =c → Área azul =p-(c-p) =2p-c =3√3 -⊓
    Problema 3.- Naranja - Azul =(4*⊓3²/4) - (4*⊓2²/2) =9⊓ - 8⊓ =⊓ .El exceso de naranja y azul considerado corresponde a los solapos entre semicírculos y cuartos de círculo; es decir, es el mismo para ambos colores y no influye en la diferencia entre ambos.
    Curiosos problemas. Gracias.

  • @koenth2359
    @koenth2359 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    problem 1: repeating the tilt will show that 18 copies of the shaded area would cover a full disk, so the area is 1/9 of the half disk, so the shaded area is 72/9=8.
    problem 2: drawing central circle and hexagon would reveal that the hexagon cuts the lens shaped areas exactly in half. So L=2(C-H) and A=C-L = 2H-C =12T-C = (12sqrt(3)/4 - π)r^2, which for r=1 equals about 3×1.732 -3.142 = 2.054
    problem 3. the black areas overlap, so the area difference is one large minus two smaller circles: π(3^2-2×2^2)=π
    I wrote this at 2:16 from top of head, without pen paper or calculator, so I may have made mistakes.

  • @martijndekok
    @martijndekok 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    For question 2, I thought:
    A = Hexagon with side = 1 - ( Circle with r = 1 - Hexagon with side = 1)
    = 2 Hexagon - 1 Circle
    = 12 Triangles - Circle
    = 12 (1/2 * b * h) - Circle
    = 12 (1/2 * 1/2 * Sqrt(3)) - Circle
    = 3 * Sqrt(3) - Pi
    For question 3, I thought:
    Blue = Square - 4 Quarter Circles with r=3 - Middle Bit
    Orange = Square - 4 Semi Circles with r=2 - Middle Bit
    So difference = 1 (4 quarter) * 9 Pi - 2 (4 halves) * 4 Pi = 9 Pi - 8 Pi = Pi

  • @TanmaY_Integrates
    @TanmaY_Integrates 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Solution 2 was visually interesting practically I don't think so anyone can think about it but I have another way to solve:
    Area of hexagon - 3 × area of semicircle = x (assume)
    2x = hexagon - eye shaped area + shaded area.
    Now I am stuck and with the help of definite integral and trigonometry I can find the eye shaped area but it take time.

    • @zecuse
      @zecuse 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They're symmetric lens' which have a nice formula: A = r^2 (theta - sin(theta)), where theta will be the angle in the equilateral triangle.
      I had the similar idea for it but did: hex - 6semi + 6lens, since the lens were over subtracted by the semis.

    • @shohamsen8986
      @shohamsen8986 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hi, youtube doesnt always inform the authors whenever there is a reply to a comment. Atleast its a preference setting. Anyway i have answered your comment. Hope u find the answer satisfying. Its essentially group theory.

  • @dwiranu5394
    @dwiranu5394 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    20/360 fraction of circle's area. Problem 1 in under 1 minute.

  • @natashok4346
    @natashok4346 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    3rd problem is the most beatiful

  • @wmpowell8
    @wmpowell8 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    For problem 3 you don't even need algebra. You can just think of the areas where semicircles and quarter-circles overlap as orange and blue areas canceling each other-after all, the areas are subtracted in the end, so adding an equal amount to both sides of the subtraction sign doesn't change the result. So the solution is just the areas of the quarter circles minus the areas of the semicircles.

  • @fedorkochemasov4533
    @fedorkochemasov4533 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I solved problem 3 as follows:
    Notice that the areas of square - 4 quarter circles = blue area + shape in the centre
    square - 4 semicircles = orange area + shape in the centre
    Subtract the first equation from the second you get:
    (square - 4 quarter circles) - (square - 4 semicircles) = (orange area + shape) - (blue area + shape)
    Open the parenthesis and simplify you get 4 semicircles - 4 quarter circles = orange area - blue area

  • @plasticthrowers
    @plasticthrowers 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    My solution for #3 is to find the difference between the square less the 4 quarter circles and the square less the 4 half circles. Visionally this is just the orange with the center squarish area minus the blue with the same squarish area. Mathematically this is trivial: (49 - 9π) - (49 - 2*4π).

    • @SpamSucker
      @SpamSucker 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yup, that’s how I got it too, congrats!

    • @MarieAnne.
      @MarieAnne. 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Interesting approach, but since 9π > 2*4π, then (49 - 9π) < (49 - 2*4π) and (49 - 9π) - (49 - 2*4π) < 0
      So you should be subtracting the other way: (49 - 2*4π) - (49 - 9π) = π

  • @khiemngo1098
    @khiemngo1098 หลายเดือนก่อน

    May I ask which tool / software you used to enable you to apply color to a shaded region bounded by different curves. Many thanks!

  • @zdrastvutye
    @zdrastvutye 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    the 3rd part was also calculated using the trapezoid formula:
    10 vdu5:for a=0 to 15:gcol a:print a:next a:c1=4:c2=11:gosub 330:rem farbtest
    20 l1=7:r1=3:r2=2:xm1=-l1/2:ym1=-l1/2:xm2=0:ym2=-l1/2:rem den schnittpunkt berechnen
    30 sw=(r1+r2)/100:xs=xm1:nu=100:xc=0:yc=0:wu=pi/2:@zoom%=@zoom%*1.4:goto 80
    40 ys=ym1+sqr(r1^2-(xs-xm1)^2):dgu1=(xs-xm2)^2/r2^2:dgu2=(ys-ym2)^2/r2^2
    50 dg=dgu1+dgu2-1:return
    60 xvx=(xu-xc)*cos(wu):xvy=(yu-yc)*sin(wu):xv=xvx-xvy+xc
    70 yvx=(xu-xc)*sin(wu):yvy=(yu-yc)*cos(wu):yv=yvx+yvy+yc:return
    80 mass=1E3/l1:gosub 40
    90 dg1=dg:xs1=xs:xs=xs+sw:xs2=xs:gosub 40:if dg1*dg>0 then 90
    100 xs=(xs1+xs2)/2:gosub 40:if dg1*dg>0 then xs1=xs else xs2=xs
    110 if abs(dg)>1E-10 then 100 else print xs,ys:ar=0:goto 130
    120 xbu=(x+l1/2)*mass:ybu=(y+l1/2)*mass:return
    130 yul=-l1/2:yol=yul:xul=-l1/2:dx=(xs+l1/2)/nu:xol=xul:gcol c1:for a=1 to nu:dxa=a*dx
    140 x=-l1/2+dxa:if x

  • @SwistakMiecio
    @SwistakMiecio 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That's very generous to call the second one "a great puzzle". First and third were nice though

  • @georgejo7905
    @georgejo7905 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Answer 20/360 × 144 = 8 . the two semicircles bounding the area can rotate through 360 degrees seprated by 20 degree

  • @samriddhadutta2104
    @samriddhadutta2104 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    For qno. 3 I have joined the four quarter circles of radius 3cm and calculated its area pi.3^2 then I subtracted the four semi circle of radius 2cm (1/2.pi.2^2)*4

  • @cannotbeleftblank6027
    @cannotbeleftblank6027 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Re solution for problem 1: it's a bit of big jump from "all the semicircles have the same area/are congruent" to "the intersection between two semicircles has the same area". In this particular configuration perhaps, but I am missing the explanation as to why.

    • @Anmol_Sinha
      @Anmol_Sinha 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Consider 2 circles(full circles) intersecting ach other's radius they have a constant common area regardless of how both are rotated. The problem is the same thing with just the upper half.

  • @whatthree16
    @whatthree16 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    In the PSAT problem, you don't have adequate time to do calculations...have to just eyeball it. Half of a semicircle is 36, the shaded part is about a quarter of that, so 8-9. Pick the multiple choice answer closest to that and move on.

  • @AlexTikhonovich
    @AlexTikhonovich 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    idk why, but problem 3 was the easiest for me. Probably because it's more connectet to algebra (i instantly thought of making a system of equations).

  • @mwffu2b
    @mwffu2b 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    While I wanted to do the trick at 4:22, it wasn't completely obvious that the intersections of the red lines had to fall at the intersections of the semi-circles. I felt like I needed to prove that that worked. It does, but is this a known fact about circles inscribed in hexagons?

    • @hughcaldwell1034
      @hughcaldwell1034 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I don't think so, but it was such an intuitive assumption that I almost didn't spot that it needed proving. Just something that seems natural when you've done a lot of triangle and circle puzzles, I guess. Pretty obvious once you lay the mesh of smaller triangles over the hexagon, though.

  • @trevinbeattie4888
    @trevinbeattie4888 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That’s an elegant solution for the 3rd problem, but you seem to have skipped a step going from 4(3²pi÷4)-4(2²pi÷2) to pi. My middle school math teacher would have (and did) dock points for not showing all of your work.

  • @DavideCosmaro
    @DavideCosmaro 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    3:25= you could've used this reasonment to deduce that the shaded area is exactly the area of the circle : 18 since 360: 20 = 18

  • @johncochran8497
    @johncochran8497 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Problem 1.
    Realize that if the construct was rotated 18 of then would completely fill a circle. Hence, 9 would fill the area of a semi-circle. Hence answer is 72/9 = 8

  • @Grammulka
    @Grammulka 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    In problem 2, shouldn't we prove that the points where semicircles cross lie on the lines that connect side centers? It looks right but doesn't seem obvious to me.

  • @mari-with-a-gun
    @mari-with-a-gun 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I had pretty much the same thought process for the last one but for some reason I assigned b to blue, a to orange, and p to the overlap
    I don’t remember why I used p and I’m a little confused thinking back on it
    It’s funny that the side length being 7 is mentioned tho bc it’s not needed

  • @Indian11225
    @Indian11225 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Bro this is Krishna from India. Here is a problem from my side. Find the volume of Intersection between two spheres of equal radii, with their centers lying on the surface of each other?
    I derived a direct formula for this problem in my 11th standard using Trigonometry and Solid angle concept, And verified my formula using integration in my 12th standard. I want to share with you. Because I love you videos.

    • @bowlteajuicesandlemon
      @bowlteajuicesandlemon 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Could you explain to me how you used the concept of the solid angle to find the volume?

    • @jaideepshekhar4621
      @jaideepshekhar4621 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The formula for circles is (pi-1)r^2/2. What is it for spheres?

  • @suryanshpatel2463
    @suryanshpatel2463 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Easy questions except 3rd it was moderate.
    I solved all questions in 15 min😂

  • @kratosAk4700
    @kratosAk4700 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I solved the first one and second one but stuck on the third one, but it turns out it was easiest of them all

  • @Ayvengo21
    @Ayvengo21 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    6:38 while i love math for easy and elegant ways for solving task like this one unfortunately not every task have it =(

  • @sushibongg9057
    @sushibongg9057 หลายเดือนก่อน

    problem 1: the way i thought thru this was that the claw/rotated curved lines is the same as drawing curved lines like a hypnosis circle. if u draw lines splitting it into 18 equal parts (360/20 for the 20deg rotation), the circle is in 18 equal parts regardless of the shape of those parts. or for the half circle, 9 equal parts or 1/9, 72/9 being 8
    might not be the "right" way of getting there but its the way i got it 😂

  • @mikefochtman7164
    @mikefochtman7164 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The first one, I noticed that the angle for the 'claw' was the same as the small segment of 20 degrees. I can't readily prove it, but it seems that the 'curved sides' of the claw, having the same radii, simply 'cancel' and you have the same area as the circular segment. From there it's easy to see 1/9 of the semicircle area.

    • @trevinbeattie4888
      @trevinbeattie4888 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Same. I thought of using calculus to sum the radial arcs over the size of the left circle, but then figured I’d just estimate it based on a straight wedge in case this was a mutiple-choice test because that should be close enough. Nice to know it was exactly right. :)

  • @kobeh2937
    @kobeh2937 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Why do you need to multiply everything by 4 in the last problem? Wouldn't it be easier to leave it as is and continue the same?

  • @drvofoka7033
    @drvofoka7033 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    3:07 why exactly do these two have the same area? What if you tilt the titled one even more? Now it's intersecting more of the left and less of the right semicircle.

  • @usshared1649
    @usshared1649 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    3:14 thats the most unusual way I've ever heard someone pronounce congruent

  • @yaronkeidar7386
    @yaronkeidar7386 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    All three problems have a much simpler solution than the one shown here.

  • @tobyfitzpatrick3914
    @tobyfitzpatrick3914 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    After a few sub-par videos recently, this one is _Sheer Poetry_ ..!

  • @therockthatlookslikeapiece419
    @therockthatlookslikeapiece419 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    on the psat i had a question about cosine so there is trig stuff on it

  • @abhijeetm29
    @abhijeetm29 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Even being reasonably good in Math, I find these type of problems difficult. My mind find it arduous to parse the spatial information given into meaningful patterms to solve. Also, if I've ever solved these- usually end up taking the long route which involves more brute method and less elegance. 😮‍💨

  • @Larsbutb4d
    @Larsbutb4d หลายเดือนก่อน

    Imagine a problem with circles without even the mention of pi...

  • @zdrastvutye
    @zdrastvutye 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    for the second part, i have written this code with variable number
    of polygon points (set nz=6 and rkg=2 in line 10):
    10 nz=6:sw=.001:lg=2:dr=0:wi=2*pi/nz:rkg=lg/2/sin(wi/2):wk=asn(lg/sqr(4*dr^2+lg^2))
    20 @zoom%=@zoom%*1.4:rkk=sqr(lg^2/4+dr^2)
    30 nu=50:dim xs(nz-1),ys(nz-1),x(nz-1),y(nz-1)
    40 xm=0:ym=-rkg*cos(wi/2)-dr:print ym:xc=0:yc=0:wu=wi
    50 xu=xm:yu=ym:goto 80
    60 xvx=(xu-xc)*cos(wu):xvy=(yu-yc)*sin(wu):xv=xvx-xvy+xc
    70 yvx=(xu-xc)*sin(wu):yvy=(yu-yc)*cos(wu):yv=yvx+yvy+yc:return
    80 gosub 60:xm1=xv:ym1=yv:print xm1,ym1:xs=sw:goto 110
    90 ys=ym+sqr(rkk^2-(xs-xm)^2):dgu1=(xs-xm1)^2/rkk^2:dgu2=(ys-ym1)^2/rkk^2
    100 dg=dgu1+dgu2-1:return
    110 gosub 90
    120 xs1=xs:dg1=dg:xs=xs+sw:xs2=xs:gosub 90:if dg1*dg>0 then 120
    130 xs=(xs2+xs1)/2:gosub 90:if dg1*dg>0 then xs1=xs else xs2=xs
    140 if abs(dg)>1E-10 then 130 else print xs,ys
    150 xs(0)=xs:ys(0)=ys:for a=1 to nz-1:xu=xs(a-1):yu=ys(a-1):gosub 60:xs(a)=xv:ys(a)=yv:next a
    160 xmin=0:ymin=0:xmax=xmin:ymax=ymin
    170 for a=0 to nz-1:if xmin>xs(a) then xmin=xs(a)
    180 if ymin>ys(a) then ymin=ys(a)
    190 if xmaxx(a) then xmin=x(a)
    500 if xmaxy(a) then ymin=y(a)
    520 if ymax
    run in bbc basic sdl and hit ctrl tab to copy from the results window
    important info: set nz=6 instead of 5 in line 10.

  • @DuduKoren
    @DuduKoren 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I didnt understand in problem 2 how you know that the lines of the mid points cross the point of intersection of the circles

  • @tordendar5770
    @tordendar5770 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    @4:20 (answer 2), it is not obvious to me that line segments connecting the midpoints of sides two sides apart will go through the intersections of adjacent semi-circles. How do we know that is true?

    • @jaideepshekhar4621
      @jaideepshekhar4621 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Because each small "semicircle" is one third the circumference of the six semicircles, and you can draw triangles to verify this.

  • @phoenixarian8513
    @phoenixarian8513 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The edge of the circles are the center of the other circles? this would be easy
    the curved triangle. well its area can be calculated but not needed. The important factor is the blue area+ middle area= middle area+ bottom curved triangle therefore blue area= bottom triangle
    And the bottom triangle is a shard of the semicircle. Since it's 20 degrees it's 1/9 the area of the semicircle. Solved.
    Well since you asked for the size it's 72/9=8 in area.

  • @zdrastvutye
    @zdrastvutye 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    i have written a code using the trapezoid rule that uses the trapezoid data for the graphics for the first part:
    10 r=1:dim xm(2),ym(2):xm(0)=0:ym(0)=0:xm(1)=0:ym(1)=-r:nu=200:w=20
    20 xu=xm(1):yu=ym(1):xc=0:yc=0:@zoom%=@zoom%*1.4
    30 xvx=(xu-xc)*cos(rad(w)):xvy=(yu-yc)*sin(rad(w)):xv=xvx-xvy+xc
    40 yvx=(xu-xc)*sin(rad(w)):yvy=(yu-yc)*cos(rad(w)):yv=yvx+yvy+yc
    50 xm(2)=xv:ym(2)=yv:sw=.01:w=sw:i1=0:i2=1:w=3/2*pi:goto 130
    60 dx=r*cos(w):x=xm(i1)+dx:dy=r*sin(w):y=ym(i1)+dy
    70 dgu1=(x-xm(i2))^2/r^2:dgu2=(y-ym(i2))^2/r^2:dg=dgu1+dgu2-1:return
    80 gosub 60
    90 w1=w:dg1=dg:w=w+sw:if w>2*pi then stop
    100 w2=w:gosub 60:if dg1*dg>0 then 90
    110 w=(w1+w2)/2:gosub 60:if dg1*dg>0 then w1=w else w2=w
    120 if abs(dg)>1E-10 then 110 else return
    130 gosub 80:xs1=x:ys1=y
    140 i2=2:w=3/2*pi:gosub 80:xs2=x:ys2=y
    150 print xs1,ys1:print xs2,ys2:mass=5E2/r:goto 170
    160 xbu=x*mass:ybu=(y+r)*mass:return
    170 for a=0 to 2:x=r+xm(a):y=ym(a):gosub 160:xba=xbu:yba=ybu:for b=1 to nu:wb=2*pi*b/nu
    180 dx=r*cos(wb):x=dx+xm(a):dy=r*sin(wb):y=ym(a)+dy:gosub 160:xbn=xbu:ybn=ybu:goto 200
    190 line xba,yba,xbn,ybn:xba=xbn:yba=ybn:return
    200 gosub 190:next b:next a:gcol5
    210 da=0:ar=0:xa=0:y=r+ym(1):yah=y:yal=y:dx=xs2/nu:for a=1 to nu
    220 xn=xs2*a/nu:ynh=ym(2)+sqr(r*r-(xn-xm(2))^2): if x>xs1 then 240
    230 ynl=ym(1)+sqr(r*r-xn^2):goto 250:rem print ynl,ynh
    240 ynl=-sqr(r*r-xn^2)
    250 da=dx*(ynh-ynl+yah-yal)/2:ar=ar+da
    260 x=xa:y=yal:gosub 160:xb1=xbu:yb1=ybu:x=xn:y=ynl:gosub 160:xb2=xbu:yb2=ybu
    270 y=ynh:gosub 160:xb3=xbu:yb3=ybu:x=xa:y=yah:gosub 160:xb4=xbu:yb4=ybu
    280 move xb1,yb1:move xb2,yb2:plot85, xb3,yb3: move xb1,yb1:move xb3,yb3:plot85, xb4,yb4
    290 xa=xn:yal=ynl:yah=ynh
    300 next a:print ar
    310
    0.866025404 -0.5
    0.984807753 -0.173648178
    0.179551341
    >
    run using bbc basic sdl and hit ctrl tab to copy from the results window

  • @rishabhmahajan6607
    @rishabhmahajan6607 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Problem 1 and 3 were easy but 2 i couldn't do it was hard to visualize wow.

  • @EnginAtik
    @EnginAtik 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    There are 18 of the warped sections in a full circle. So 2*72/18=8; no need to concern ourselves with shapes.

  • @PiyushPant-gy8sd
    @PiyushPant-gy8sd 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    How to find number of digits in n factorial where n is a whole no.