How Oldschool Sound/Music worked

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    In this video, we'll cover 3 different eras of computer music, the Internal Speaker, FM Synthesis, and PCM Samples.

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  • @antoniusmetal
    @antoniusmetal 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1858

    Yes, practically every NES game used the same sounds, but that's when the creativity of musicians came into play. For instance, the soundtracks of the Zelda, Ninja Gaiden and Casltevania games are amazing and very different from each other.

    • @danmackintosh6325
      @danmackintosh6325 5 ปีที่แล้ว +45

      Not quite so creative when they just synthesized rock & metal tunes though lol (Not that I'm complaining. I mean it's quite a buzz to get onto the airship in Mario 3 and find yourself fighting Koopas to Diamond Head :D )

    • @kingkrispy5289
      @kingkrispy5289 5 ปีที่แล้ว +91

      But then japan was like:
      Smh we need sawtooth
      *shoves a sound chip in famicom cart*
      America:what about us
      Japan:fuck you lol

    • @BalancedSpirit79
      @BalancedSpirit79 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      The dweeb Weeb sawtooth could actually be used on the PCM channel

    • @DeskoDev
      @DeskoDev 4 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      @Metagalactic Llama Uh, Castlevania wasn't done by Tim Follin at all, hell, none of the three were. It doesn't even compare to any of his NES stuff.
      EDIT: CV1's soundtrack was done by Kinuyo Yamashita and Satoe Terashima, CV2 was Terashima, Kenichi Matsubara and Kouji Murata and CV3 was Hidenori Maezawa, Jun Funahashi, Yukie Morimoto and Yoshinori Sasaki. None of those many names are Tim Follin.

    • @TetsuDeinonychus
      @TetsuDeinonychus 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@danmackintosh6325 Or they both were inspired by Gustav Holst's "Mars, Bringer of War".

  • @turkeysamwich00
    @turkeysamwich00 2 ปีที่แล้ว +221

    Tim Follin pushed the NES's soundchip beyond its limits by doing tricks like using the triangle wave bass channel to emulate a kick drum sound, and having the main square wave riff play quieter and a split second delayed in the second square wave channel to emulate reverb. If you look at an oscilloscope of any of the games he composed for (Silver Surfer, Pictionary, etc.) you can see it in action. It's super cool

    • @lordevyl8317
      @lordevyl8317 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      That's true, but by the time Follin started doing stuff on the NES, he was already an established musician on systems such as the C64, Amstrad, and ZX Spectrum. A better example to use would have been Kinuyo "James Banana" Yamashita, who did the awesome music for the first NES Castlevania game

    • @zPamboli
      @zPamboli 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Who could have told that Pictionary of all games, would hace such a slapping main theme on the title screen.

    • @Glambucket
      @Glambucket หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@zPamboli or plok the boss theme beach theme and creepy craig sound majestic

  • @bernardli9514
    @bernardli9514 5 ปีที่แล้ว +831

    Alright so all the music in this video.
    0:20 - Avoid the Noid, IBM PC and Apple 2
    0:43 - also Avoid the Noid
    1:00 - Swinth Demo 1 (stationary ark)
    1:09 - Space Quest III - Pirates of Pestulon. Cannot identify OS.
    1:13 - Super Mario Bros 2, NES
    2:18 - Super Mario Bros 2, NES
    2:57 - Super Mario Bros 3, NES
    3:36 - MULE, Comodore 64.
    4:04 - Commando, Comodore 64.
    5:21 - Ultima 6, IBM PC version.
    6:06 - 8 bit guy, Casio sk-1
    6:29 - Blood Money, Comodore Amiga.
    6:42 - Guitar Slinger (Modtracker Song by jogeir liljedahl), Comodore Amiga

    • @Galahadfairlight
      @Galahadfairlight 5 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      6:29 is the intro to Blood Money by Psygnosis

    • @bernardli9514
      @bernardli9514 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@Galahadfairlight thanks for that! Man maybe next time this should be in the subtitles or something.

    • @chrissiefoxchristina5361
      @chrissiefoxchristina5361 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks for the list! All this music is great!

    • @boiii3productions945
      @boiii3productions945 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      1:09 - Space Quest III - Pirates of Pestulon is MS DOS

    • @cyberx1254
      @cyberx1254 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanx!!

  • @jonavarque347
    @jonavarque347 5 ปีที่แล้ว +785

    When I wrote for the SNES I used a sample playback system that used samples I generated. NO FM audio at all.

    • @billyline3558
      @billyline3558 3 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      I'm working for a SMW hack on the SNES

    • @rowboat10
      @rowboat10 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@billyline3558 really?

    • @blidrob
      @blidrob 3 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      Sweet. Can you provide any links for your work? Thanks!

    • @wayahedia9989
      @wayahedia9989 3 ปีที่แล้ว +50

      @@blidrob It was 25 years ago and they're all toast by now! The Mask from THQ might be somewhere!

    • @wayahedia9989
      @wayahedia9989 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@rowboat10 most assuredly!

  • @silversheep4605
    @silversheep4605 4 ปีที่แล้ว +272

    So that explains why one voice stops when a sound effect play on the nes, because there’s not enough voices for it so it cuts one off and replaces it with the other.

    • @k80theshade
      @k80theshade 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Yup.
      This is also indirectly what was responsible for several well-known bugs...like the flag bug and the firework bug. People tried for. decades. to understand why the 8-bit proc could not do an entire screen wipe (these were still fast, so they looked like fast pulses to the player)at EXACTLY the same time as it was playing an audio effect.

    • @itsjustcami1633
      @itsjustcami1633 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Yea I noticed that in SMB and SMB2

    • @lemmesmash
      @lemmesmash ปีที่แล้ว +4

      yeah i noticed that too back then. i think it was Contra. when you burst your machine gun, the drums cuts off then goes back in as soon as you let go of the button.

    • @speggiman
      @speggiman ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@lemmesmash Same in Altered Beast I think

  • @malachimusclerat
    @malachimusclerat 7 ปีที่แล้ว +386

    yo that commando music fuckin bangs

    • @malachimusclerat
      @malachimusclerat 7 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      also so does that commodore amiga game

    • @angelanajeralc99
      @angelanajeralc99 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      space dude is total bull shit

    • @retrovhsmanvaultfromthe70s97
      @retrovhsmanvaultfromthe70s97 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Marcos Moutta in the 1940s there where no video games

    • @ElevatingEurope
      @ElevatingEurope 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      RETRO VHS MAN VAULT FROM THE 70S 80S AND 90S No shit Sherlock

    • @Mudamir
      @Mudamir 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      fullmetalwindbreaker search for instant remedý commando there are 2 remixes of that song

  • @Bandicoot803
    @Bandicoot803 5 ปีที่แล้ว +377

    0:56 - It must have taken the programmers quite some time to design this epic laugh!

    • @techpro1464
      @techpro1464 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Its pretty funny

    • @icedchqi
      @icedchqi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Bandicoot803 yep it’s pretty cool

    • @sheilaolfieway1885
      @sheilaolfieway1885 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      easier than you might think...

    • @tobyjarvais1758
      @tobyjarvais1758 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      the sound it made a couple seconds prior to that when the Noid trampled the dominos guy had me laughing for some reason

    • @KrotowX
      @KrotowX 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I believe that "laughing" sequence itself became available in public domain a while ago. Through time met this sound in various completely different hardware - toys, door bells etc. Basically in any hardware capable to play square impulse batches.

  • @MrUltimatemaniac100
    @MrUltimatemaniac100 2 ปีที่แล้ว +73

    I love old console music. It’s very nostalgic for me but it also has a very mystical and Haunting feel to it 🤷🏽‍♂️

  • @LGR
    @LGR 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2458

    Excellent video!

    • @Clone2572
      @Clone2572 8 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Hey there LGR c:

    • @MiaKiesman
      @MiaKiesman 8 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      +Lazy Game Reviews Oh, hey Clint! How are you?!

    • @tuaamtheadventurer4252
      @tuaamtheadventurer4252 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      +Lazy Game Reviews You watch 8 - bit guy?

    • @SteveM000100
      @SteveM000100 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      +7mario6 It's advertising, sensible youtuber

    • @zaneroote5798
      @zaneroote5798 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Lazy Game Reviews Huh? How come you're here in this video comment system?

  • @jonathanjensen189
    @jonathanjensen189 7 ปีที่แล้ว +358

    6:31
    "HIT IT!" "yeah!"
    smh...

    • @kelloginc1
      @kelloginc1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      xD

    • @bagasdwika
      @bagasdwika 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      🤣

    • @bobbywright6062
      @bobbywright6062 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Jonathan Jensen it was like crack for an 8 year old me.

    • @NunoLava
      @NunoLava 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      what's the song/game? i actually really like it

    • @NunoLava
      @NunoLava 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      according to comments it's
      th-cam.com/video/Cimu6LpnwmQ/w-d-xo.html

  • @samuelstinson3274
    @samuelstinson3274 5 ปีที่แล้ว +85

    Dave “Too Tall for the Screen” Guest.

    • @mojoblues66
      @mojoblues66 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      So either Dave is just 150cm or this guy is 240cm

    • @lozD83
      @lozD83 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Dave "Guest 8-Bit Speeker"

  • @Me-zo8yc
    @Me-zo8yc 5 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    3:41 SID chip victorious! That tune is so catchy

  • @nintendies
    @nintendies 8 ปีที่แล้ว +112

    Was watching this on my phone when at 2:30
    "The first 2 can only produce square waves, that sound like this:" (Gets phone call)
    Me(for a split second) - oh that doesn't sound that bad, oh wait...

  • @Gtchy1230
    @Gtchy1230 8 ปีที่แล้ว +313

    Seriously one of the coolest videos I've ever seen and really fascinating info! Well done 8-Bit Guy!

  • @NecrosVideos
    @NecrosVideos 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Your videos are always top tier. I’ll never stop loving retro tech!

  • @SrArtoo
    @SrArtoo 4 ปีที่แล้ว +85

    4:22 Incredible, no one ever has explained it so clear and simple. Great !

  • @bobsaggat
    @bobsaggat 7 ปีที่แล้ว +759

    2:47
    I know some people who can only produce noise

    • @vextechnet5865
      @vextechnet5865 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Jon Deal 😂😂😂

    • @thejay8963
      @thejay8963 6 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Trump?

    • @ThomasFarquhar2
      @ThomasFarquhar2 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Jon Deal like you

    • @louiei.1552
      @louiei.1552 6 ปีที่แล้ว +44

      Every black girl in class

    • @FinalBaton
      @FinalBaton 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Jon Deal Ok that was good

  • @obsoletegeek
    @obsoletegeek 8 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    Some behind the scenes info: We had to make some major adjustments to the set and David's camera setup to get everything in frame. I'm a freakishly tall dude!

    • @The8BitGuy
      @The8BitGuy  8 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      +The Obsolete Geek Indeed. If we do another video together, we should be sitting down somewhere. Or I should stand on a box.

    • @whisper2053
      @whisper2053 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +The 8-Bit Guy He IS a bit freakishly large, yes? :P

  • @KimHarderFog
    @KimHarderFog 2 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    I was floored when you recreated the Ultima song on the keyboard. Great stuff!

  • @scott7305
    @scott7305 4 ปีที่แล้ว +59

    7:01 dang, that mod sounds good!

    • @Mnnvint
      @Mnnvint 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Guitar Slinger, by Jogeir Liljedahl. So good they included it on the disk that came with the Gravis Ultrasound card for the PC :D

    • @urmo345
      @urmo345 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, good choice: legendary Guitar Slinger

    • @benwemyss9790
      @benwemyss9790 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I just posted the name .... glad someone else remembers it!! It had two parts. Both were awesome !!

  • @zackiechan2601
    @zackiechan2601 6 ปีที่แล้ว +80

    6:07 Ow, I could feel that dead inside smile.

    • @vittoman4392
      @vittoman4392 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      He is like "Oh God, what am I doing?!?!?"

    • @gravityhamster8805
      @gravityhamster8805 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Literally went to the comment section just to see if someone mentioned this part. XD

    • @remcovandenengel6496
      @remcovandenengel6496 ปีที่แล้ว

      Its more like a "nailed it" smile

  • @wildbilltexas
    @wildbilltexas 8 ปีที่แล้ว +62

    I'm glad you included a song by Rob Hubbard (Commando). He was a master at programming the C=64's SID chip. Also props for showing us the awesome Casio SK-1 and Yamaha PSS-470.

    • @losalfajoresok
      @losalfajoresok 8 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      +wildbilltexas As soon as he mentioned the SID chip I was saying "please use Commando, please use Commando" :D

    • @wildbilltexas
      @wildbilltexas 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      +Lord Alfajor I used to hook up my C=64's sound output to my stereo. I still remember being so blown away by the opening theme when I first played it.

    • @losalfajoresok
      @losalfajoresok 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      +wildbilltexas I had a tape recorder that I used to put in front of the TV to record the songs while my dog was barking as a background noise. Good old days.

    • @spaceman221
      @spaceman221 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      +wildbilltexas holy crap...you're here too?

    • @Linkfinite
      @Linkfinite 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      +spaceman221 hundreds of us

  • @doctorx0079
    @doctorx0079 4 ปีที่แล้ว +105

    3:07 That isn't quite a fair statement. Some developers like Sunsoft, Konami and Capcom tried to get more creative with it. Like using different samples on channel 5 and playing melody on channels 4 and 3. But it was pretty tricky.

    • @uncannyx
      @uncannyx 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Sunsoft especially, Batman, Fester's Quest, etc.. they loved that PCM channel

  • @sfneurosurgeon
    @sfneurosurgeon 2 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    Very educational and a trip down memory lane! I learned how to program with the Commodore 64. Commando was one of my favorite game themes!

    • @hayabusa5306
      @hayabusa5306 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Was the song as fast as it is in the video? Cuz I can’t find it like it is in this video. Amazing song! (Commando)

    • @gmdrandom6287
      @gmdrandom6287 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@hayabusa5306 try to find the ntsc version

  • @LivingWithTheGuzmans
    @LivingWithTheGuzmans 6 ปีที่แล้ว +158

    Great info

    • @diofan57
      @diofan57 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bruh 3 year old verified comment with no replies.. wow

    • @husamismael8926
      @husamismael8926 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@diofan57 look at their channel. they do "rock paper scissors but loser removes one article of clothing" type shit. I'd rather be unverified my whole life than be that. also wtf they doing on a video about retro tech lol

    • @diofan57
      @diofan57 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@husamismael8926 oh dang, thanks for telling me

  • @miasuke
    @miasuke 6 ปีที่แล้ว +159

    I would love to see a dedicated video like this for the Sega Master System...

    • @rydoggo
      @rydoggo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      It worked like the NES except it's all either square waves or noise, also had no pcm channel iirc. The sound chip was also featured in some Tandy computers.

    • @RaysGamingChannel2003
      @RaysGamingChannel2003 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@rydoggo yep that's correct

    • @shockwave6698
      @shockwave6698 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Sega Sucks

    • @supersonic9236
      @supersonic9236 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@shockwave6698 shut up

    • @WellBeSerious12
      @WellBeSerious12 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@shockwave6698
      Writing that while knowing SEGA's hardware was better than Nintendo's at every comparable generation. Nintendo/Master System to GameCube/Dreamcast.

  • @harmonicresonanceproject
    @harmonicresonanceproject 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Nice to see the genesis of the 8 bit guy here! 2021, and 2015 feels like a million light years away.

  • @yonezawa2810
    @yonezawa2810 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    5:39 *Man, I could listen to you playing that over and over all day, so deep*

  • @spadeaces531
    @spadeaces531 8 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    6:42 I don't know....I...just suddenly felt something nostalgic inside of my heart. It feels like it's trying to tell me stories from long time ago I have forgot

  • @dorianlee4747
    @dorianlee4747 8 ปีที่แล้ว +52

    Love the C64 title cards!

    • @CommodoreFan64
      @CommodoreFan64 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Dorian Lee Same, brought back some great memories for me. :-) C64 FOREVER!!!

  • @rodneydaub3812
    @rodneydaub3812 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I was visiting my "share ware" store once, which oddly enough was in the local mall. I found a program for IBM pc that split the stock beep into three voices. It played "Fur Elise" and many other tunes using the three voices.
    It's was still the the basic "beep beep" sound, but three voice of it... it really was super cool.. mainly because I could not afford a sound card at the time, all my money had gone to my EGA card
    I had a flight sim once that somehow made white noise out of a PC speaker that was used a the jet engine sound effect. Very cool
    You know your intro gets stuck in my head 8-bit guy!

  • @steve_cdh7324
    @steve_cdh7324 4 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    4:29 can i get a video of just that bass line there please

  • @thejay8963
    @thejay8963 8 ปีที่แล้ว +118

    4:29 this clip sounds like It could be its own music!!

    • @sthdk7725
      @sthdk7725 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      +AstroMoo2 Minecrafter AGREEEEEEEEE

    • @sockman42
      @sockman42 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      true!

    • @jezd2223
      @jezd2223 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ikr,it sound awesome

    • @SuperWeedPower
      @SuperWeedPower 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      My Jam, make me a 1hour vid with that sweet line

    • @NESherv
      @NESherv 8 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      That's exactly what I thought when I first heard it on its own! Super awesome track that I immediately started moving to. The other tracks on top of it just sounded too noisy and distorted.

  • @TheBoxyBear
    @TheBoxyBear 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    6:08 This is my new ringtone

  • @fordesponja
    @fordesponja 3 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    It would be nice if someday you talk about the Mega Drive/Genesis sound and its somehow frankestein approach to sound between old and new and how a good composer could do marvelous scores while other just did absolute disasters.

  • @goamateurzero622
    @goamateurzero622 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    This is even in 2021 still one of my favorite videos of all time!

  • @SimCityEA1989
    @SimCityEA1989 7 ปีที่แล้ว +226

    3:40 to 3:50
    beast tune I ever heard XD

    • @bandombeviews6035
      @bandombeviews6035 7 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Beast tune?

    • @SimCityEA1989
      @SimCityEA1989 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Best sound XP

    • @drasco61084
      @drasco61084 7 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      It is a pretty beast tune lol

    • @thebananaman1895
      @thebananaman1895 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      i know .it is from the game M.U.L.E

    • @TheRedCap
      @TheRedCap 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      back when ea was actually good.

  • @Adrians_Ideas
    @Adrians_Ideas 7 ปีที่แล้ว +194

    I don't know what everyone is talking about, but 4:08 has a rocking tune to it.

    • @Ray.Norrish
      @Ray.Norrish 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      You missed out on something special

    • @Adrians_Ideas
      @Adrians_Ideas 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ray Norrish i guess...

    • @windows7458
      @windows7458 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Yep! This makes me wish I was around in the 80's...

    • @Peccath
      @Peccath 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Commando!

    • @pixelatedcroissant34
      @pixelatedcroissant34 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      i agree but when they put sound three its the best in my opinion

  • @filenotfound__3871
    @filenotfound__3871 4 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    4:07 R.I.P SID chip

    • @kevincruz290
      @kevincruz290 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Sid chip 2: I’m about to save this man’s whole career.

    • @vittoman4392
      @vittoman4392 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      4:29

    • @filenotfound__3871
      @filenotfound__3871 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@vittoman4392 ?

    • @vittoman4392
      @vittoman4392 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@filenotfound__3871 It's cool 😀

    • @benwemyss9790
      @benwemyss9790 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'd heard old school musicians were pulling apart old C64's just to get their hands on an original SID chip. I loved the audio on my C64:)

  • @Danger-ff6rk
    @Danger-ff6rk 5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    3:39 my fave part omg

  • @FinalBaton
    @FinalBaton 8 ปีที่แล้ว +103

    That C64 Commando track is SICK!!!
    Holy... I didn't know much about the C64 soundchip and now I'M pretty impressed
    This video also reaffirmed my preference for game console music : FM synth > Samples. By a wide margin

    • @tassadar1977
      @tassadar1977 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +FinalBaton you will enter a realm of SID awesomeness soon enough. Have a look at the MIDIBOX Sid project for some inspiration

    • @KuraIthys
      @KuraIthys 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Ah, but a sample based system can imitate FM synth.
      All you need are appropriate samples.
      I will admit though FM synths have some interesting qualities to their sound.
      But... It varies considerably from chip to chip as to what it sounds like - Not always good...

    • @mariosskl8347
      @mariosskl8347 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +KuraIthys no emulator can 100% accurately replicate a true synthesizer.

    • @Roxor128
      @Roxor128 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      +Marios Sklavenitis
      Not quite true. If the synthesiser's characteristic sound relies on analogue components, then yes, you can't fully emulate it. If it's all-digital, then a full emulation is possible, though it will likely involve lots of bit-shifting black magic to pull it off.

    • @kixxalot
      @kixxalot 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      This video doesn't dig very deep, it doesn't explain the differences between FM and subtractive synthesis. The synthesis method of the C64 was not FM, it was a subtractive analog synth.

  • @princeplotena
    @princeplotena 8 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    Here lies The IBook Guy
    2012-2015
    Name will be missed

    • @kattenelvis1778
      @kattenelvis1778 8 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Not really, 8 bit guy is better

    • @FinlandCrafted
      @FinlandCrafted 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +katten elvis Nah...

    • @DanelonNicolas
      @DanelonNicolas 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Prince Plotena real death is oblivion

  • @johnchainsman
    @johnchainsman 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Love the Blood Money clip. Amiga forever! And Octalyzer that supported 8 voices.

  • @DQ-qs9tg
    @DQ-qs9tg 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    北米版NESと違い、日本のファミコンは拡張性からディスクシステムで音源を増やし、ROMカートリッジにFM音源を無理やり搭載したりしてたんですが、一度聞いてみて欲しいものです。

  • @MoonDeLaAxel
    @MoonDeLaAxel 6 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    I actually love using a tracker to make music. It's quite fun, honestly.

  • @TechDeals
    @TechDeals 8 ปีที่แล้ว +201

    Hey, I learned something! I had a Sound Blaster in my 386DX/25 way back in 1991ish (might have been after that, don't recall anymore). I knew it played games that only supported Adlib, now I know why! The voice thing was cool, very nice video...

    • @RRSYSinfo
      @RRSYSinfo 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Tech Deals I totally miss my Creative Sound Blaster Live card, with real time DSP, proper loved that sound card, but sadly for me, it was only suitable for pre windows XP 32bit

    • @killyouwithfire
      @killyouwithfire 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Tech Deals :o tech deals!! I love your channel

    • @xXxmlg_vacxXx
      @xXxmlg_vacxXx 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Tech Deals i

    • @hartwigbaars248
      @hartwigbaars248 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      I DON'T LEARN!!!! xD

    • @jonathanmartin7252
      @jonathanmartin7252 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Tech Deals I did also. I think Doom for the NES actually first came out in 1991.
      Makes sense,because of the instruments used in both the 90s,and in that particular game.

  • @danmackintosh6325
    @danmackintosh6325 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Oh cool, I just witnessed the birth of The 8-Bit Guy as a channel! And of course I enjoy Rob's videos also!

  • @calska140
    @calska140 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you so much. This has been, for me, one of those questions that has been taking up space in the back of my mind for years. But the material was always too daunting or too simplistic. You do a great job of explaining exactly what i wanted to know.

  • @mrtonytechnics
    @mrtonytechnics 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    As a music producer, I love watching these videos. Sometimes I wish they were longer, great job!

  • @auyerrafael3944
    @auyerrafael3944 8 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    I really liked the new name! Makes a lot more sense now!

    • @LeeDaniel001
      @LeeDaniel001 8 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Personally I found him with the iBook guy... I probably would've never found him now...

    • @auyerrafael3944
      @auyerrafael3944 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Daniel Lee Well, I found him not searching for apple stuff, but searching for a random tech topic that I can't recall. So for me, it wouldn't change a thing.
      And it is probably still possible to find him with the old name...

    • @LeeDaniel001
      @LeeDaniel001 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      True, if you search up iBook guy, you get his channel. But still, I wouldn't have guessed this was his channel.

    • @Stoned_Pony
      @Stoned_Pony 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      +Auyer Rafael This is the first vid I've ever seen of this guy. If he's been in my recommended vids before, I would have just ignored it because I block out anything to do with crApple.

    • @mehftv
      @mehftv 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He exploded in popularity

  • @RGAndromeda
    @RGAndromeda 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So glad I found your channel. Everything is explained so well and I've already learned pleanty. Looking forward to going through the rest of these videos soon.

  • @LexEllis
    @LexEllis 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I must have watched that part at 5:38 like 20 times, god that sounds SO good.

  • @DoormanDudeMinecraftOfficial
    @DoormanDudeMinecraftOfficial 8 ปีที่แล้ว +78

    You're videos are just amazing. Also I liked the name iBook guy better

    • @jordanjamison97
      @jordanjamison97 8 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      +Doormandude I would have never found him from the name Ibook guy
      I found this channel from his oldschool videos.

    • @Exigentable
      @Exigentable 8 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      +Doormandude I thought it was a bad name. this name is much better.

    • @DoormanDudeMinecraftOfficial
      @DoormanDudeMinecraftOfficial 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Exigentable I thaught it was more unique. If you found his videos, it wasn't from searching his name, it was from seeing his videos in your feed and finding it because you where actually interested. The name 8-bit guy just seems to fall into a more generic catagory of youtube. Nothing bad, I just thaught the old name was better.

    • @iaxx23
      @iaxx23 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      +Doormandude your*

    • @jordanjamison97
      @jordanjamison97 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      iAxX He knows his mistake. We know his mistake. No one cares.

  • @fargeeks
    @fargeeks 7 ปีที่แล้ว +178

    I like that sampling song that comes in at 7:00
    I would love to hear an extended version

    • @Horny_Fruit_Flies
      @Horny_Fruit_Flies 7 ปีที่แล้ว +45

      Jogeir Liljedahl - Guitar Slinger

    • @ekwah5821
      @ekwah5821 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      prospectus That song brought on instant nostalgia feels for me. Thought it was so cool as a teenager. Glad someone remembered what it's called!

    • @Horny_Fruit_Flies
      @Horny_Fruit_Flies 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Bill Hawke Glad I could help :)

    • @StormcloudLive
      @StormcloudLive 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It sounds like something from Dizzy on the megadrive... or what I remember Dizzy sounding like lol, I'm sure that is much worse now if I was to go back to it.

    • @letterfella
      @letterfella 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'd hoped someone else had already asked about that!

  • @ReySilverskin
    @ReySilverskin 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I don't know why, but that Ultima VI theme makes me feel something I can only identify as nostalgia - nostalgia for something that I have literally never experienced. It's so simple and yet there's a hauntingly indescribable beauty to it. My most sincere praise to whomever composed that piece.

  • @aboyplays7278
    @aboyplays7278 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    6:31 such a catchy tune it’s so 80s I wonder what game that is

    • @dbfuentes
      @dbfuentes 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Blood money published by Psygnosis (Amiga)

    • @dusky6176
      @dusky6176 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Oh It's like sunset riders

    • @lianrobintribunal484
      @lianrobintribunal484 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@dusky6176 what

  • @MelvinG24
    @MelvinG24 7 ปีที่แล้ว +316

    AM I the only one who is in love of this :D 5:36

    • @bedsharing
      @bedsharing 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Melvin Antonio Guerrero Morán I love it!

    • @neehgurg2111
      @neehgurg2111 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Melvin Antonio Guerrero Morán yes it's shit

    • @sulfuricacid951
      @sulfuricacid951 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      G Maeruf lolwut

    • @kylarokorbor528
      @kylarokorbor528 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Melvin Antonio Guerrero Morán no,I also think it's cool.
      These old school sound cards may have been used in
      the Atari platforms that hit store shelves before the
      NES. or the Famicom. Both Atari,and Nintendo,
      including their Japanese versions were classics.

    • @sovuchkin5093
      @sovuchkin5093 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      no, your not the only, some people like it as well as me

  • @FrankJavCee
    @FrankJavCee 8 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    I want all that LOFI equipment!
    Great + Accurate video! :D

    • @myonnewilloughby6309
      @myonnewilloughby6309 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      big fan of your channel man

    • @Rami2145
      @Rami2145 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +FrankJavCee You get around man I see you on the tumlr all the time and it's surreal just seeing you pop up on a random vid.

    • @Panda-rl4pc
      @Panda-rl4pc 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      And the "Hit It" from Rob Base

  • @rruhland
    @rruhland 3 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    So one thing that’s always interested me is how they made things sound so different on certain games on the NES. Like, to me, Zelda II and Punch-Out have the same “flavor” of sound which was quite different from Mario for example. How did they get such different sound from just the square and triangle waves?

    • @odysseyguyperson
      @odysseyguyperson ปีที่แล้ว

      Eventually, programmers figure out how to better utilize the sound chips. Nothing from SMB sounds like Startropics since by 1990 they’d already optimized the sound chip. And also, different music will sound like different things!

  • @LockeNarshe
    @LockeNarshe 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just want to stop and say that I usually skim these kinds of videos because the hosts presenting them tend to ramble off-topic or tries so hard to make it entertaining that it derives from the video - but this has had me glued to the screen. I came with the intention of watching 1 video and watched upwards of 8 in a row. Fantastic presentation, fun information and extremely digestible; definitely earned a sub from me.

  • @TheXelaNet
    @TheXelaNet 7 ปีที่แล้ว +444

    I could listen to that 3-voice music all day - how did you get such clean samples/separate the tracks?

    • @Jehezukiel
      @Jehezukiel 7 ปีที่แล้ว +52

      nowadays, every game music files are now able to be emulated into semi-MIDI+soundfonts packages. known as xSF (PSF - for PS1 , NSF - for NES) and these MIDI files contain "commands" used to each samples or channels, and can be muted or soloed respectively...
      sorry for my progressive english..

    • @Jehezukiel
      @Jehezukiel 7 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      ***** i kinda use "emulated" to explaiin that explanation...
      Thanks a lot! More things i learned about VGM Sequences

    • @Roxfox
      @Roxfox 7 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      If the C64 sound is your thing, check out the High Voltage SID Collection. It's an archive of practically all music ever produced using that sound chip, and the necessary players or plugins required to listen to them. Best part about emulated music is that it's all just tiny chip data, so you can stumble upon a brilliant tune that plays for a good seven minutes without looping (like Cybernoid 2 by Jeroen Tel!), and it's just a couple of kilobytes big.
      Most if not all SID players also allow you to sneak in and change the volume of the individual channels on the fly, so you can really dig in and enjoy a particular synth or figure out a complicated arpeggio.
      If you're interested but don't know where to start listening, I'll quickly list off a couple of my dozens of favorite artists: Jeroen Tel, Rob Hubbard (of Commando fame, as seen in this video), Martin Galway, Ben Daglish, and... shall we say, Thomas "DRAX" Mogensen.

    • @deathbuncentral2310
      @deathbuncentral2310 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      TheXelaNet you need to get sidwiz and download separate raw sound files

    • @retrovhsmanvaultfromthe70s97
      @retrovhsmanvaultfromthe70s97 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Roxfox in the 1940s or 1950s there where no video games of those years

  • @MarkeyJester
    @MarkeyJester 7 ปีที่แล้ว +64

    There's one aspect that you guys seemed to have missed, regarding the FM synthesizer (I'm wondering if you've confused it with PSG controllers...). For example, many Yamaha chips didn't have just a single pattern wave for a single channel. Each channel would have had multiple "operators" that played different wave patterns, and those patterns would feed into each other within a single channel, and that channel would output a complex waveform that doesn't fit the criteria of a simple square, trianle, sawtooth, etc...
    The Mega Drive/Genesis' YM2612 for example had four operators per channel, where each operator outputs a sinewave, the sinewaves are fed into each other, and the channel itself outputs an extremely complex waveform, if controlled correctly, known existing instruments such as a piano could be made.
    Cool video though, I did learn a small deal about the more primitive PSG sounds, your presentation is fantastic too! It gets the message across very well.

    • @cope9489
      @cope9489 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Well, there are also the SMS channels. Those were explained in the video though. (3 square waves and 1 noise channel)

    • @toubatsu
      @toubatsu 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Markey Jester say that again but in human

    • @croysk
      @croysk 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You’re entirely correct. They conflate PSG and FM, and completely ignore operators (or any filtering) and only briefly mention pulse generation and envelopes.

  • @thesparxeffect9734
    @thesparxeffect9734 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This video just made me appreciate game music much more than I already have.

  • @JoelWassermansurfer
    @JoelWassermansurfer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Super Stoked on this video. I am teaching my Tech Production class about music, and I feel like this video is a neat way to present information with a quick modern history lesson. I also love the fact that many of the video games I grew up on are featured in this...😀

  • @nitrogen76
    @nitrogen76 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    These videogame tunes gave me a nostalgia-gasm.
    The SK-1 was my first synth keyboard, too. Double nostalgia-gasm.

  • @thingyee1118
    @thingyee1118 8 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    Love the new name. The_8_Bit_Guy++;

    • @finnabon
      @finnabon 8 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Me to, I don't know why everybody doesn't like it.

    • @MadmanEpic
      @MadmanEpic 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I think it kinda lacks the ring to it.

    • @torturetests
      @torturetests 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      I miss the iBook guy

    • @lordmmx1303
      @lordmmx1303 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      +thingyee1118 maybe in future he will change it to The_Windows_Guy

    • @thingyee1118
      @thingyee1118 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      lmao. haha :P

  • @aprev039
    @aprev039 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    One of the most recognizable uses of the 5th voice PCM for the NES is Bloody Tears from Simon’s Quest. That bass line is 🔥

  • @briancherry8088
    @briancherry8088 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I geeked out when I saw the Casio sampling keyboard. It was one of my favorite Christmas gifts ever!!

  • @revolcane
    @revolcane 7 ปีที่แล้ว +54

    I remember when when I played Ikari Warriors 2 on the NES for the first time and I heard "C'mon let's fight". Blew my mind then :P.

  • @curiousottman
    @curiousottman 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This by far is my favourite video from the 8 bit guy. Well done. Great content. Very informative.

  • @LTCloud9
    @LTCloud9 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Man, I really enjoy no frills, professional feeling videos like this. Educational and interesting.

  • @DanielLopez-up6os
    @DanielLopez-up6os 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Keep coming back to this, always enjoyable.

  • @LSpiro
    @LSpiro 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    6:54: “…designed around the Amiga sound shitter.” I swear I keep hearing this.

  • @SjoerdTheDev
    @SjoerdTheDev 8 ปีที่แล้ว +458

    How about MIDI files aren't these old?

    • @The8BitGuy
      @The8BitGuy  8 ปีที่แล้ว +334

      +sjoerd dal Not really.. MIDI files are still in use today and they really don't have much to do with the way sound is produced. They just contain the information of what keys are pressed, how hard, etc. But it is up to whatever synthesizer it is played on to determine how the sound is made.

    • @SjoerdTheDev
      @SjoerdTheDev 8 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      +The 8-Bit Guy I did not know that. I tought MIDI files where the same because my old keyboard can play them too.

    • @GTXDash
      @GTXDash 8 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      +The 8-Bit Guy I was gonna suggest that you do a video on something like: Whats the difference between Gravis Ultrasound, Soundblaster, Roland LAPC-I/MT-32 and GS Wavetable methods of making music. But then I realised you renamed your channel to The 8-Bit Guy, so...are you only able to do 8-bit related stuff only?

    • @8BitKeys
      @8BitKeys 8 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      +Dash My content will not change from what it has been the last 3 years. I just wanted a name that didn't focus on iBooks since that is not something I will feature very often any more. You can only make so many videos about iBooks until you run out of content. I certainly won't be restricting my content to 8-bit stuff.

    • @GTXDash
      @GTXDash 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      8-Bit Keys Awesome :)

  • @Warsign01
    @Warsign01 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I am always learning something cool from your videos. Thanks.

  • @anthonyspecf
    @anthonyspecf 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    @7:15...Amazingly enough, a new game coming out called Ion Fury (previously Ion Maiden) has an amazing Mod Tracker soundtrack. The game is built on a new version of the old Build Engine game engine (used for Duke3D, Shadow Warrior, etc...). It really fits well with the game's style.

  • @55lumens
    @55lumens 6 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Your videos are so in-depth and informative! Awesome job!

    • @daniela_dundel
      @daniela_dundel 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      in depth? u r kidding, i c... u cant b serious wrting this

  • @sandhamwich2199
    @sandhamwich2199 7 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    5:26 I want that picture on my wall.

  • @bobbobson4069
    @bobbobson4069 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Brilliant video! So professionally produced! You don't have to be nerd to find this interesting!

  • @PaulHofreiter
    @PaulHofreiter 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is great! Super interesting, knew some of the basics but could have listened to these details all day

  • @AndiKravljaca
    @AndiKravljaca 8 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I had one of those Casios... Man the hours of monophony I put into that one. Thanks for the memories!!

    • @Ugotsta
      @Ugotsta 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I remember that Casio well too, used to love hearing it play Greensleeves.

  • @marcsm2008
    @marcsm2008 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Amazing video, very informative and entertaining.
    And the part where you reproduced the Ultima 6 intro theme on your keyboard gave me shivers! ^^

  • @leroydever4761
    @leroydever4761 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That was really informative. Amazing to learn how game music changes over the years.

  • @corkbulb2895
    @corkbulb2895 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great job recreating the Ultima 6 intro theme on a keyboard! My best friend from high school recreated the Final Fantasy 6 (Final Fantasy III in USA) Overworld Theme using just an Electronic Keyboard in his music class. It took a whole night but he did it and played the MP3 record file and got an A+ in his music class! It is just AMAZING how music has evolved in game consoles over the years and how Certain music can be recreated using other music chips in other devices! Great video! Keep it up!

  • @AlexCBrandon
    @AlexCBrandon 8 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    You've made the video that's been in my head since 1987. And you're in Texas. I owe you lunch.

  • @abandonedcranium6592
    @abandonedcranium6592 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Did anyone else NOT want the M.U.L.E. music to stop around 3:45 ? I could listen to that beat for an hour or more.

  • @95ZR580
    @95ZR580 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I've never played mule before, shoot, ive never even heard of it, but I rocked out hard with that music sample

    • @VenomStryker
      @VenomStryker 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Try listening to the music from Skate or Die. Was some good tunes in that title!

  • @Naitrio
    @Naitrio 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    You learn something new everyday! Thanks David.

  • @NeilRoy
    @NeilRoy 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I also recognize the music you had playing in the background a few times, from the C64 demo Swinth! Loved that!

  • @PronatorTendon
    @PronatorTendon 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I had a sampling keyboard as a kid that had a loop function. I would record me clicking the plastic over the mic with my fingernail and loop it, making a square wave type sound, the frequency depending on how hard the click was

  • @credit0880
    @credit0880 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    6:08 such a iconic smug look.

  • @memaimu
    @memaimu 8 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Absolutely amazing video.

  • @ZacharySalman
    @ZacharySalman 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Yamaha's synthesis was so beautiful. I'm a huge fan of the DX7 synthesizer, which can reproduce any sound from those games (most famously the early Sonic games). The actual keyboard is very expensive but there's a free open-source VST version called Dexed that is fantastic.

    • @Wheresthepepsibismol
      @Wheresthepepsibismol ปีที่แล้ว

      Same here True Blue by Madonna sounds like it can be in a sonic game on the genesis because the DX7 is just a genesis with keys.

  • @iridescentequerry6320
    @iridescentequerry6320 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    That coy smile he gave after saying "8-Bit Guy" to the keyboard makes very happy
    Keep up the great work!

  • @SuperBrictson
    @SuperBrictson 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you very much for these videos, I just happened to watched "Meet The Little-Known Soundblaster keyboards" n' I liked the fact that watching this video I already heard about Yamaha chip (YM3812 chip) in the Soundblaster video, so the education in this channel is progressive. Even today, Heretic is still my favorite Ad Lib soundtrack, which it was composed by Kevin Schilder. I'm glad to see the mod tracker here 'cause I've always seen videos in youtube about chip tunes in the mod tracker n' never understand them except that they put musical notes in there but with this video, I'm more than familiar with it. You're like the Angry Video Game Nerd but being his department more focused in the quality of videogames with toilet humor and yours in VGM with a more serious tone. You got yourself a subscriber!!!

  • @Reliken
    @Reliken 6 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    This is amazing; could you make a follow-up video explaining the similar differences between the SNES and Genesis?

  • @KimboKG14
    @KimboKG14 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    4:15 wasfor some reason my best yt-moment since the plattform started.

  • @vnp44
    @vnp44 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow, guys, it gives excellent insight. Many thanks for this video! Keep it up!!!

  • @tarfap.kpamber9732
    @tarfap.kpamber9732 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome video. Even starts with consoles that were dear to my heart.

  • @Jigsaw2383
    @Jigsaw2383 7 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    NOW THIS is an amazing gaming channel

    • @PaschanTOPs
      @PaschanTOPs 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      More like technology than gaming channel

    • @lordevyl8317
      @lordevyl8317 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@PaschanTOPs Yeah, this is more of a general computer tech channel, not a gaming channel. Unless you're counting David's own games, this channel is more hardware based than software base TBH