Even after all those years, I still don't understand why this radio message got famed up this much. There's literally nothing funny or extraordinary about it. I considered the possibility that maybe people think the only way a car can stop is by braking (which, needless to say, is completely absurd), but this can't be that popular of a misconception. Right?
SF1000 keeping up in most corners and being within a tenth in S3 (Parabolica) while using a less loaded wing (severely needed because of much lower engine power) tells you that the chassis was actually pretty good and had good downforce, as shown at low speed tracks over the year. Shame the engine was like 60-70 hp down compared to the SF90. Killer content, keep it up!
The SF1000 probs had a good level of downforce just didn’t have the Warp speed engine anymore The SF1000 with its “legal engine” might have been a match for the W11 honestly
One of the bigger what ifs. The SF90 greatest lack was downforce, at least at the beginning of 2019. The SF1000 from the perspective of the concept had plenty but the engine didn't match the huge drag produced by the concept. Thus they were stuck with a car designed for high downforce high drag only with the constraint to always have to run it with low downforce low drag... 2020 could have really been like a better version of the second half of 2019, shame it wasn't
0:04 The SF1000 is literally the worst case scenario for Ferrari in Monza. They added more downforce because the SF90 had less compared to the top 3 teams but didn't expect the engine to be weaker as well. You can see how this is true by how better the SF1000 is at corners despite having a non-existant rear wing, I recalled that Sebastian Vettel said that the car had good overall balance but just didn't have the overall pace
I think this Ferrari story is one of the more fascinating bits from recent turbo/hybrid history. The way they got around the sensor to still look proper while also making that extra power was pretty damn clever..
The 2019 pole position was under the slipstream of a Renault, if I'm not mistaken it was Riccardo. They reached high speeds, but it was due to the slipstream of the Renault,
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I believe the teams put the audio devices in different locations too which can make a big difference ... I think I remember hearing someone on the broadcast saying that.
The transmission sound on F1 V6 Engines is what makes them sound really good especially on most Ferrari engines through out this decade. Nice pfp aswell, I honestly thought I had a piece of hair stuck on my screen😂
ferrari thought that they would still have the same engine so they just went all in with downforce, but then it had to run small rear wings to compensate, but vettel had issues because of that
it's similar to sf90 and the sf90 was a low-drag car. SF1000 was the third bad Ferrari cars of all time, just behind the 1992 car and the "glorious" SF14T. I got chills only typing that name 😬
@@Sbrillo43 you're forgetting their 2009 car. The sf1000 was in the same predicament like the f2005. Being let down by certain factors out of their control.
The 2021 car was the (surprisingly) more reliable of the season as well,even when the Ferrari PU's scored no victories that season (even Alpine got one), Ferrari had arguably the best of the bunch.
The fact that Mercedes was still faster than ferrari even with this engine shows what a monster chassis they had. Even in monza and spa, mercs were still the faster car in race trim, but the straight line speed helped charles barely fend them off. Singapore was perhaps the only race where Ferrari were fastest on pure pace.
To this day it's difficult to say what was special on this "Tipo 064" power unit. They were using for the first time 3D printed piston this year, but they didn't change that much in the "065" so i doubt it was inside the ICE itself. They had there "dual" battery setup this year also if i remember correctly, back then some other team suspected them to deploy "freelly" some of the electrical energy without using the official 4MJ deploy in the regulation. Also i could be fuel limitation related, back then i eard something like "expandable" fuel line to store fuel after the FIA flow metter, or even playing with high current near the flow metter to mess up the readings. I hope one day some ex Ferrari engineer would tell the truth, like the Benetton B194 "TCS" we learn few months ago.
@@asherjoseph4377 mgu-k power output is 160 HP so 120kw. Combined with the ICE the total output was somewhere between 1000 and 1050hp in 2019. So i dont know what are you talking about.
I am sorry my comment get deleted regarding article link I've type. So there's a news article with tagged #AMuS on it said 'a system volts upgrade from 400 to 800 volts'
This is very similar to what has very much likely happened with Red Bull in 2024. But for some reason nobody is talking about it. FIA discovered something in the RB car and told them to remove it, with some kind of deal between them to protect the image of the sport and them both. Even DAZN Spain mentioned the rumour. Not sure if this is true or not, but definitely looks like something has happened because redbull went from being the top car, and with difference, to being 2-3rd from one race to another...
Internal struggles, and mostly don't forget the cost cap. I don't think they were cheating, because if they were the entire paddock would know within 2 minutes of it being 'confidential' lmao
2020 Ferrari engine is one the most bland and worst soundings engines i have heard tbh, like all the other engines have a signature rhythm showing their power, but the 2020 ferrari just sounded off
I hate to say this but fans are very easily fooled by mic placement and mic setup in general (sometimes they layer sound with multiple microphones). The cars *mostly* sound the same from year to year. Maybe slight changes, but from the outside the changes are minuscule. The actual onboard sound for the driver is not much like this. It’s a much more mechanical sound
@@Mark-ut5oq Yh I remember a few years ago they changed the mic placement of the engines. I can't remember what the reaction was but the mic was placed on the exhaust. The engines sounded quite different especially the honda even though it was the same engine.
@@sergioferrero46 McLaren just won with +20s ahead of P2, I know not all tracks suit them equally but IMO they are still heavily favoured to win everywhere until the end of the season
Ferrari built a lot more overall downforce into the 2020 car, not expecting to get caught. This really showed in sector 2 at spa in 2020. Had they not been caught I've always thought that 2020 Ferrari could have been right there with the W11.
The acceleration of the 2019 Ferrari is still so staggering 200-300kph is blink and you miss it What could have been in 2020 if it wasn’t for Red bull realising something was rightfully off with the Ferraris lol
@@gianfrixmgThere is no proof of Redbull cheating with rear breakes. While FIA was giving "No comment" statements for Ferrari's engine and refusing to even comment on it, this time they came out and said no team was found using "brake trick".
Mercedes did this with power modes, they were apparently banned but towards the latter part of the season they would bring new engine modes and leave the competition behind. They didn't need to do it for 2020 but needed Bottas to act as a guinea pig in turkey 2021 so they could do it later in the season for Lewis.
I have some reservations, in 19 Leclerc was on a Renault tow, it was a more calculated thing, in 2020 there was no tow, And still achieved excellent speeds, Ferrari in 2020 had more Downforce, but it had less power especially in re-acceleration
Can't believe I'm saying this, but the 2020 chassis of the Ferrari is probably the best we've ever seen (maybe not better than the W11, but definitely close). Where they lacked in straight; they made up in corners.
Yelistener: what aspect(s) of the 2019 engine was illegal, in your opinion? I've seen tons of theories bandied about ranging from higher than permitted fuel flow, ERS deployment, controlled oil leaks into the airbox...
What’s wild is that Ferrari was fully planning for the sf1000 to have the cheat engine and sold the problems of the sf90 which was the low speed. You could tell the sf1000 was lowkey a very drivable car. If it would’ve still had the extra 15-20bhp over Mercedes and Honda at the time they might’ve put up a good fight against McLaren and red bull and probably wouldn’t have given their “das” to has to use for a few races at the end of the year and used it for themselves
I have two video suggestions for the Monza race. Show if possible the possible loss of power of red bull during the race, or show the very early derate of alpine before turn 4 which is the biggest weak point of this engine.
The timelap sectors on display are all wrong: they were not 3 26.4 in 2019, instead it was 26.6 + 27.2 + 25.4... the 2020 correct ones are 26.5 + 28.2 + 25.5
I came here to sugest (in case of you havent done it before) a video comparing Albon with Sargent, or other way of showing why Sargent failed to perform 👍
That 2019 Ferrari was rocket ship of a car although I'm pretty sure it was faster in 2017/2018. I also remember the number of times Ferrari garage had to kept covering the car up because of its constant leaking. Everyone was curious as to what Ferrari had done to the car to make it so rapid on the straights.
I wouldn't use the word "cheat". The SF90 was a low-drag car, while the SF1000 was modified to turn corners. The difference it's not come up only from the pu. You can see in the high-speed corners sf1000 it's faster than SF90 and the top speed before the parabolic is only 8 km/h, and after the parabolic is 9. Drag is a factor that you don't mentioned, but you do it in Williams vs Haas comparison. Maybe mercedes cheated too? No. We don't know what Ferrari did with 2019 pu but as for now, no evidence proves that they cheated. Maybe something there was but the major factor for that top speed in Monza was the low-drag concept of the sf90 compare to car rivals and her successor.
Unfortunately they DID techically cheat(if using a loophole is considered cheating). The sensor that measures the fuel flow worked at 2200 hz and that is by regulation. Ferrari s engine pumped more fuel in the meantime between 2 operation cycles of the the sensor,ensuring that it gets more HP and having the same fuel flow(sensorwise). Proved to be fun for the fans though.
@@СимеонНиколов-о9в yes, but there are not official proves. Fia and Ferrari wanted to hide all situation. So, as a f1 fans, we cannot say that they cheat.
And now Red Bull have a secret fia deal for the brake bias trick /S but seriously something must have changed or gone wrong at Red bull it can't just be on McLaren etc out developing Red Bull
They've already said that nobody was doing the brake bias thing, it's just a clarification mainly aimed at next year but also included in this year's regs. Not everything is a conspiracy! 🙄
@@robinstreets1792 That's why I put /s it was a joke but anyway a deal with the FIA would mean it's kept secret like that and not confirming it publicly
should have used vettel in 2019 as leclerc being 2 seconds behind ricciardo kinda screws the whole comparison. he was a lot slower than vettel in all corners for obvious reasons
The 2 clowns above you are probably Tifosi. To give you a proper answer, Ferrari were cheating, simple as. They used a system to increase the fuel flow past the regulation limit. They managed to trick the FIA mandated fuel flow sensor by sending fuel to the engine in pulses. When the fuel is sent to the engine at a higher rate, the sensor couldn't detect it. Red Bull called foul, and the FIA investigated. To not be branded as "cheaters," Ferrari used their influence to essentially bribe the FIA and they got rid of their system, resulting in their shitty 2020 season.
Im sorry you received useless answers! The 2019 PU was considered to be a "cheat", but actually it was a clever loophole. Red Bull noticed how good and fast the PU was on that car, so they asked the FIA to check, what happened is that the FIA found something and forced Ferrari to remove it, de-powering their 2020 PU as a consequence. The most common theory is that Ferrari pumped more fuel into the engine: there was a sensor, used by FIA to check the amount of fuel that was pumped, that worked at 2200 hz, so Ferrari created another sensor that was used to let fuel into the engine while the FIA sensor was not calculating.
It wasn't a cheat engine, if it was they would have banned it right then, ferrari probably found some loophole in the reagulations and FIA allowed them to keep the engine for the rest of the season, they banned that loophole next year, same thing happened wih DAS, was that a cheat? No. Was it banned for next season? absolutely
If I good remember, maFIA didn't allow them to use this "trick" after the Mex GP anymore. I remember Verstappen's words in an interview: "This is what happen when you stop cheating" speaking about the "not so good" Ferrari's results in the USA GP.
It technically was (atleast from what I remember). There is a fuel flow rule which regulates the maximum amount of fuel being supplied to the engine. There's a sensor to detect this. The issue was that this sensor picked up data at regular intervals. Ferrari realised this, and designed a system that could pump extra fuel when the sensor is inactive. It's a genius idea to break the rules in a way that's near impossible to detect, but it's a cheat nonetheless. It's similar to Toyota's cheat turbo system in 90s WRC Group A. They banned it behind closed doors. Ferrari was clearly slower in the next few races (and was "mysteriously" terrible the next year).
i dont get how this engine is still called cheat engine when it still is considered that they used a clever loophole. The banter is really getting old.
@@wrongcheese DAS wasnt illegal. It was developed with full transparency to the FIA. It was in fact real innovation. What F1 is supposed to be about. But Redbull and the others was going bananas with the compaints so it was removed for the following year
So when Ferrari was fighting for P1 and Merc still was on their tail it's cheat engine. When Mercedes pulled away from the rest of the field on lap 1 for several seconds it was good legal engine. Okay
I'll never understand the reason why fuel flow limitation exists in a series with no refueling. This is just outright brainless. Let the drivers blow an engine or two during qualis, it'll be fun.
There's no doubt that 2019 was a cheat engine and made more power illegally. But if we are going compare "how much" more power it did, its better to pick a lap with no tow for either. Now, we dont know how much of that top speed was due to the tow and how much of it was due to the cheat engine.
No , Ferrari raced 2020 and 2021 season without a proper engine and It was never confirmed It was illegal , It was a loophole which was closed in order to prevent to use It anymore Like the Das system
‘What about merc’s engine in 21 😭’ Can’t have illegal innovation without Ferrari the cash cow team not existing 😂 It’s clear that they cheated otherwise why were they slower in 2020? Some deluded red glory hunters can’t even use any remaining braincells they have to understand something so simple
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I remember this from Monza 2020
Vettel: Brakes failed
Engineer: Ok, stop the car
That was the best! lol
"ok, stop the car, stop the car." - Xavi
"my god! why didn't I think that?" - Vettel
There are other ways to stop the car
@@D4C_LoveTrain1Vettel when driving SF-1000 in 2020 F1 Season even remembered this:
FORMULA 2 ENGINE! FORMULA 2 ENGINE!
Even after all those years, I still don't understand why this radio message got famed up this much. There's literally nothing funny or extraordinary about it. I considered the possibility that maybe people think the only way a car can stop is by braking (which, needless to say, is completely absurd), but this can't be that popular of a misconception. Right?
If covid didn't happen Ferrari might've got tomatoes thrown at them in Monza for being so slow in 2020 lol
Yes 😂
Lol... 😂😂
Actually, they had chinese sponsors... you think ferrari conspired with their connections to create covid to avoid the tomatoes...? 😂😂
And could be a better package for a circuit wise like monaco...
The Tifosi wouldn't do such thing
That's not true, it would never happen
SF1000 keeping up in most corners and being within a tenth in S3 (Parabolica) while using a less loaded wing (severely needed because of much lower engine power) tells you that the chassis was actually pretty good and had good downforce, as shown at low speed tracks over the year. Shame the engine was like 60-70 hp down compared to the SF90. Killer content, keep it up!
The SF1000 probs had a good level of downforce just didn’t have the Warp speed engine anymore
The SF1000 with its “legal engine” might have been a match for the W11 honestly
One of the bigger what ifs. The SF90 greatest lack was downforce, at least at the beginning of 2019. The SF1000 from the perspective of the concept had plenty but the engine didn't match the huge drag produced by the concept. Thus they were stuck with a car designed for high downforce high drag only with the constraint to always have to run it with low downforce low drag...
2020 could have really been like a better version of the second half of 2019, shame it wasn't
@@thie9781yea bro same it could of been 2018 again at least 😢
shame^
yeah the downforce is better, Hungary is the prime example
0:04 The SF1000 is literally the worst case scenario for Ferrari in Monza. They added more downforce because the SF90 had less compared to the top 3 teams but didn't expect the engine to be weaker as well. You can see how this is true by how better the SF1000 is at corners despite having a non-existant rear wing, I recalled that Sebastian Vettel said that the car had good overall balance but just didn't have the overall pace
Yep. Seb managed to score P3 in Turkey in that car when low power was not an issue.
I think this Ferrari story is one of the more fascinating bits from recent turbo/hybrid history. The way they got around the sensor to still look proper while also making that extra power was pretty damn clever..
I did always wonder why it was a cheat to increase power instead of cheating to use less fuel, that'd be a lot harder to detect I'd think.
It was unfair cheating by rat called Matea Binotto.
350 kph before Ascari? That engine was glorious
W11 2020 alone only hit 341.56kph before Ascari or 8.4kph slower than SF90.
@@jcdenton3062 SF90 supremacy fr
@@purwantiallan5089 hamilton on his fastest lap hit 332, merc had no tow to have more grip, but they were running smaller wings than the sf90
The 2019 pole position was under the slipstream of a Renault, if I'm not mistaken it was Riccardo. They reached high speeds, but it was due to the slipstream of the Renault,
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Mercedes and Red Bull using grey zones: "genius! Best team ever!"
Ferrari using grey zones: "cheater!"
It’s weird how other engines in F1 have a characteristic sound. But only Ferrari engine sounds unusually smooth 💀
Yes. Even today, SF90 engine sound sounded miles above majority of 2024 V6 F1 Hybrids (even includes McLaren and Renault Alpine A524).
It's sounds like tinnitus, that ringing sound is torturous to the ears.
I believe the teams put the audio devices in different locations too which can make a big difference ... I think I remember hearing someone on the broadcast saying that.
The transmission sound on F1 V6 Engines is what makes them sound really good especially on most Ferrari engines through out this decade. Nice pfp aswell, I honestly thought I had a piece of hair stuck on my screen😂
this older generation of cars sound better imo. Higher pitch, more F1 like
that cheat engine made for a somewhat interesting 2019 season, it would have otherwise been a borefest
The 2020 car to be honest wasn't that bad through the corners, but obviously without a powerful engine you can't go anywhere in F1.
Even top teams like Ferrari in 2020 spent majority of their season in the lower midfield table or sometimes, bottom end like Haas or Alfa Romeo.
ferrari thought that they would still have the same engine so they just went all in with downforce, but then it had to run small rear wings to compensate, but vettel had issues because of that
it's similar to sf90 and the sf90 was a low-drag car. SF1000 was the third bad Ferrari cars of all time, just behind the 1992 car and the "glorious" SF14T. I got chills only typing that name 😬
@@Sbrillo43 you're forgetting their 2009 car. The sf1000 was in the same predicament like the f2005. Being let down by certain factors out of their control.
I think when Ferrari introduced the new, improved MGU-K at Sochi in 2021 their acceleration out of corners improved substantially vs. 2020.
The 2021 car was the (surprisingly) more reliable of the season as well,even when the Ferrari PU's scored no victories that season (even Alpine got one), Ferrari had arguably the best of the bunch.
They have better races after that as well..
The fact that Mercedes was still faster than ferrari even with this engine shows what a monster chassis they had. Even in monza and spa, mercs were still the faster car in race trim, but the straight line speed helped charles barely fend them off. Singapore was perhaps the only race where Ferrari were fastest on pure pace.
To this day it's difficult to say what was special on this "Tipo 064" power unit.
They were using for the first time 3D printed piston this year, but they didn't change that much in the "065" so i doubt it was inside the ICE itself.
They had there "dual" battery setup this year also if i remember correctly, back then some other team suspected them to deploy "freelly" some of the electrical energy without using the official 4MJ deploy in the regulation.
Also i could be fuel limitation related, back then i eard something like "expandable" fuel line to store fuel after the FIA flow metter, or even playing with high current near the flow metter to mess up the readings.
I hope one day some ex Ferrari engineer would tell the truth, like the Benetton B194 "TCS" we learn few months ago.
Tipo 064 PU planned to produce about 20 percent more power on that Ferrari.
@@purwantiallan5089 20% seems a lot on 1000hp PU. I think from 063 to 064 they gain 40 to 60 hp max
iirc it was the mgu k that upgraded somewhere between 400 ish kw to 800 ish kw..
@@asherjoseph4377 mgu-k power output is 160 HP so 120kw. Combined with the ICE the total output was somewhere between 1000 and 1050hp in 2019.
So i dont know what are you talking about.
I am sorry my comment get deleted regarding article link I've type. So there's a news article with tagged #AMuS on it said 'a system volts upgrade from 400 to 800 volts'
This is very similar to what has very much likely happened with Red Bull in 2024. But for some reason nobody is talking about it.
FIA discovered something in the RB car and told them to remove it, with some kind of deal between them to protect the image of the sport and them both. Even DAZN Spain mentioned the rumour. Not sure if this is true or not, but definitely looks like something has happened because redbull went from being the top car, and with difference, to being 2-3rd from one race to another...
hmm i still feel Red Bull just dont know how to propell their upgrades well since Adrian Newey stepped aside.
Internal struggles, and mostly don't forget the cost cap. I don't think they were cheating, because if they were the entire paddock would know within 2 minutes of it being 'confidential' lmao
Mika Salo said that all Ferrari PUs had to have lower flow rates, that's why all Ferrari powered cars were so slow 2020.
2020 Ferrari engine is one the most bland and worst soundings engines i have heard tbh, like all the other engines have a signature rhythm showing their power, but the 2020 ferrari just sounded off
Yea
I hate to say this but fans are very easily fooled by mic placement and mic setup in general (sometimes they layer sound with multiple microphones). The cars *mostly* sound the same from year to year. Maybe slight changes, but from the outside the changes are minuscule. The actual onboard sound for the driver is not much like this. It’s a much more mechanical sound
@@Mark-ut5oq Yh I remember a few years ago they changed the mic placement of the engines. I can't remember what the reaction was but the mic was placed on the exhaust.
The engines sounded quite different especially the honda even though it was the same engine.
Even 2020 SF-1000 FERRARI has worse sounding than F14T (2014 Ferrari F1 car).
@@purwantiallan5089 ye F14T was not that rubish sound. Mercedes W05 sounded worse
Hoping we can score a win in Monza! It will be very hard but its not impossible EDIT: WE WON!
Logic says Ferrari and Red Bull should be fastest, but that McLaren defies all logic so I wouldn't be surprised if they win
As a McLaren fan, I feel for the Scuderia and hope they get a bit of love at home
"we" - WTF
@@sergioferrero46 no, it was expected to McLaren be strong on Zandvort Circuit. On Mozna Redbull should win with ease
@@sergioferrero46 McLaren just won with +20s ahead of P2, I know not all tracks suit them equally but IMO they are still heavily favoured to win everywhere until the end of the season
And the amazing thing is that cars in the mid 2000s could reach 350kph+ without DRS!
Ferrari built a lot more overall downforce into the 2020 car, not expecting to get caught. This really showed in sector 2 at spa in 2020. Had they not been caught I've always thought that 2020 Ferrari could have been right there with the W11.
Thank you for another awesome video! You are a gift to F1 fans
2019 had so much more power in the top end
2021 also. Especially FW43B, RB16B and AT02 and A521 RENAULT ALPINE.
The acceleration of the 2019 Ferrari is still so staggering 200-300kph is blink and you miss it
What could have been in 2020 if it wasn’t for Red bull realising something was rightfully off with the Ferraris lol
And then they too cheat with the rear brakes lol
@@gianfrixmgThere is no proof of Redbull cheating with rear breakes. While FIA was giving "No comment" statements for Ferrari's engine and refusing to even comment on it, this time they came out and said no team was found using "brake trick".
@@gianfrixmgimagine if SF90 and RB15 both have airbrakes.
@@nastyguy3841 The italians are trying desperately to defend their cheating team
Mercedes did this with power modes, they were apparently banned but towards the latter part of the season they would bring new engine modes and leave the competition behind. They didn't need to do it for 2020 but needed Bottas to act as a guinea pig in turkey 2021 so they could do it later in the season for Lewis.
Remember, always legal if Mercedes (maybe not after Lewis leave, we will see).
I have some reservations, in 19 Leclerc was on a Renault tow, it was a more calculated thing, in 2020 there was no tow, And still achieved excellent speeds, Ferrari in 2020 had more Downforce, but it had less power especially in re-acceleration
2019 SF90 FERRARI: FORMULA 1 ENGINE, FORMULA 1 ENGINE, YES!
2020 FERRARI SF-1000: The Ferrari SF-1000 is good, much SLOWER THAN BEFORE. AMAZING.😂
Great analysis. 2019's performance is perfect example of Binotto's cheating.
Can't believe I'm saying this, but the 2020 chassis of the Ferrari is probably the best we've ever seen (maybe not better than the W11, but definitely close). Where they lacked in straight; they made up in corners.
Yelistener: what aspect(s) of the 2019 engine was illegal, in your opinion? I've seen tons of theories bandied about ranging from higher than permitted fuel flow, ERS deployment, controlled oil leaks into the airbox...
What’s wild is that Ferrari was fully planning for the sf1000 to have the cheat engine and sold the problems of the sf90 which was the low speed. You could tell the sf1000 was lowkey a very drivable car. If it would’ve still had the extra 15-20bhp over Mercedes and Honda at the time they might’ve put up a good fight against McLaren and red bull and probably wouldn’t have given their “das” to has to use for a few races at the end of the year and used it for themselves
I have two video suggestions for the Monza race. Show if possible the possible loss of power of red bull during the race, or show the very early derate of alpine before turn 4 which is the biggest weak point of this engine.
The timelap sectors on display are all wrong: they were not 3 26.4 in 2019, instead it was 26.6 + 27.2 + 25.4... the 2020 correct ones are 26.5 + 28.2 + 25.5
They just losing a tenth in S1 and S3? Wow... it's really showing the downforce development from 2019 to 2020 is there...
That's the speed thar everyone likes to see.
I came here to sugest (in case of you havent done it before) a video comparing Albon with Sargent, or other way of showing why Sargent failed to perform 👍
That 2019 Ferrari was rocket ship of a car although I'm pretty sure it was faster in 2017/2018.
I also remember the number of times Ferrari garage had to kept covering the car up because of its constant leaking. Everyone was curious as to what Ferrari had done to the car to make it so rapid on the straights.
Am i the only one that hears a F1 V8 due to the frequency of both engines?
I wouldn't use the word "cheat". The SF90 was a low-drag car, while the SF1000 was modified to turn corners. The difference it's not come up only from the pu. You can see in the high-speed corners sf1000 it's faster than SF90 and the top speed before the parabolic is only 8 km/h, and after the parabolic is 9. Drag is a factor that you don't mentioned, but you do it in Williams vs Haas comparison. Maybe mercedes cheated too? No. We don't know what Ferrari did with 2019 pu but as for now, no evidence proves that they cheated. Maybe something there was but the major factor for that top speed in Monza was the low-drag concept of the sf90 compare to car rivals and her successor.
Unfortunately they DID techically cheat(if using a loophole is considered cheating). The sensor that measures the fuel flow worked at 2200 hz and that is by regulation. Ferrari s engine pumped more fuel in the meantime between 2 operation cycles of the the sensor,ensuring that it gets more HP and having the same fuel flow(sensorwise). Proved to be fun for the fans though.
@@СимеонНиколов-о9в yes, but there are not official proves. Fia and Ferrari wanted to hide all situation. So, as a f1 fans, we cannot say that they cheat.
And now Red Bull have a secret fia deal for the brake bias trick /S but seriously something must have changed or gone wrong at Red bull it can't just be on McLaren etc out developing Red Bull
I wonder if it's just the spending cap/wind tunnel time restrictions starting to bite
They've already said that nobody was doing the brake bias thing, it's just a clarification mainly aimed at next year but also included in this year's regs. Not everything is a conspiracy! 🙄
@@robinstreets1792 That's why I put /s it was a joke but anyway a deal with the FIA would mean it's kept secret like that and not confirming it publicly
@sbrader97 It's not twitter we don't use /
No secret FIA deal here. The FIA outright banned it, and Red Bull complied.
Hamilton drs+tow on albon last year in monza was 355 kph and sf90 without tow 😮😮
I still don't understand why they banned that engine if it wasn't against the rules. All F1 is about finding the loopholes.
Around 15 kph slower on the straights than one year before with the same technical rules. Says enough.
Now compare Merc or RBR top speeds 2019 vs 2020 in order to prove that this was ONLY because of engine difference. You will be surprised
hell yeah ferrari rules for this one
2020 ferrari sounded better than 2019
Even the sound in 2019 was better
Flexible surfaces videos next please.!
I wanna see 2024 Norris pole vs 2023 sainz pole
should have used vettel in 2019 as leclerc being 2 seconds behind ricciardo kinda screws the whole comparison. he was a lot slower than vettel in all corners for obvious reasons
Imagine what 2020 car which had better chassis would do with 2019 engine
We need video comparison of Norris 2024 and Hamilton 2020 Monza pole laps🙏🙏🙏
Just because the difference is only half a second
bro 13kph speed diference on straight
GP2 engine, GP2. Arghhh
Is the tow so strong over that distance?
I mean the car in front in 2019 looks like a mile away
Over what distance is slipstream a thing in an F1 car?
2019 Red Bull and Mercedes=😭😭
2020 Red Bull and Mercedes=😘😘
iT'S NOT CHEATING IF THE RULES ARE NOT CLEAR. iT'S ENGINEERING.
Exactly, innovation to get ahead of the competition
It's not cheating if Ferrari bribed the FIA and threatened to leave F1
@@PG-20 So they stayed with a slow car?
can someone explain in a simple way why 2019 engine was considered to be a cheat?
beause they hate Ferrari. simple as that
Modern times hate Ferrari
The 2 clowns above you are probably Tifosi.
To give you a proper answer, Ferrari were cheating, simple as. They used a system to increase the fuel flow past the regulation limit. They managed to trick the FIA mandated fuel flow sensor by sending fuel to the engine in pulses. When the fuel is sent to the engine at a higher rate, the sensor couldn't detect it.
Red Bull called foul, and the FIA investigated. To not be branded as "cheaters," Ferrari used their influence to essentially bribe the FIA and they got rid of their system, resulting in their shitty 2020 season.
Im sorry you received useless answers! The 2019 PU was considered to be a "cheat", but actually it was a clever loophole. Red Bull noticed how good and fast the PU was on that car, so they asked the FIA to check, what happened is that the FIA found something and forced Ferrari to remove it, de-powering their 2020 PU as a consequence. The most common theory is that Ferrari pumped more fuel into the engine: there was a sensor, used by FIA to check the amount of fuel that was pumped, that worked at 2200 hz, so Ferrari created another sensor that was used to let fuel into the engine while the FIA sensor was not calculating.
do you have the telemtry of hamilton pole record of 2020 ? if you have, post this
It wasn't a cheat engine, if it was they would have banned it right then, ferrari probably found some loophole in the reagulations and FIA allowed them to keep the engine for the rest of the season, they banned that loophole next year, same thing happened wih DAS, was that a cheat? No. Was it banned for next season? absolutely
DAS wasn't cheating because Merc was open about it. They were fine with it being banned in 2021, and they still won the 2021 WCC.
If I good remember, maFIA didn't allow them to use this "trick" after the Mex GP anymore. I remember Verstappen's words in an interview: "This is what happen when you stop cheating" speaking about the "not so good" Ferrari's results in the USA GP.
It technically was (atleast from what I remember).
There is a fuel flow rule which regulates the maximum amount of fuel being supplied to the engine. There's a sensor to detect this. The issue was that this sensor picked up data at regular intervals. Ferrari realised this, and designed a system that could pump extra fuel when the sensor is inactive.
It's a genius idea to break the rules in a way that's near impossible to detect, but it's a cheat nonetheless. It's similar to Toyota's cheat turbo system in 90s WRC Group A.
They banned it behind closed doors. Ferrari was clearly slower in the next few races (and was "mysteriously" terrible the next year).
i dont get how this engine is still called cheat engine when it still is considered that they used a clever loophole. The banter is really getting old.
Yeah if mercedes did it then it would've been praised by the fans and media, see DAS
@@wrongcheese DAS wasnt illegal. It was developed with full transparency to the FIA. It was in fact real innovation. What F1 is supposed to be about. But Redbull and the others was going bananas with the compaints so it was removed for the following year
Have you had any trouble with FOM uploading these
The absolute fxkery they must have been doing to that engine...had to do a closed door agreement as it would have thrown the sport into dispute 😮😅
who saidd the cheat engine , bro can fia proof no exactly
but still cant beat lewis pole record..
So when Ferrari was fighting for P1 and Merc still was on their tail it's cheat engine. When Mercedes pulled away from the rest of the field on lap 1 for several seconds it was good legal engine. Okay
I'll never understand the reason why fuel flow limitation exists in a series with no refueling. This is just outright brainless.
Let the drivers blow an engine or two during qualis, it'll be fun.
Mattia binotto legacy
Pain
Cheat Engine vs Shit Engine
*allegedly* cheat engine😂
When we gonna get McLaren cheatcar ( 2024) vs McLaren 2021 very slow
you mean 2022
Salty Dutch fan spotted. Red Bull's car was more suspicious last year than McLaren's
There's no doubt that 2019 was a cheat engine and made more power illegally.
But if we are going compare "how much" more power it did, its better to pick a lap with no tow for either.
Now, we dont know how much of that top speed was due to the tow and how much of it was due to the cheat engine.
Cheat engine your mother dont cry
Ferrari so cheat Mercedes dominated anway.
Binotto is an abssolute joke🤡
Yes
He got shafted. The previous boss left him a bomb to disarm.
Idk how he is set to get back to Audi
@@lukewood2662True
Looking back at it,the last time Ferrari was really competitive was with..Binotto,since Binotto left,Ferrari didn't go anywhere (again).
FIArrari.
No , Ferrari raced 2020 and 2021 season without a proper engine and It was never confirmed It was illegal , It was a loophole which was closed in order to prevent to use It anymore Like the Das system
@@francescosalvato6612 never confirmed = "Im Ferrari, im historic team, F1 whitout Ferrari has no sense", etc. Please.
What about Merc's engine from end of 2021?
Glory hunter has to inevitably cry about better teams than sh1trarri😂😂😂😂😂
‘What about merc’s engine in 21 😭’
Can’t have illegal innovation without Ferrari the cash cow team not existing 😂
It’s clear that they cheated otherwise why were they slower in 2020? Some deluded red glory hunters can’t even use any remaining braincells they have to understand something so simple
@@AZBCDEE between mercedes and ferrari who is ahead in the constructors currently? who got a podium in zandvoort? cry more
@@AZBCDEEIdiots like you is what gives us Formula 1 fans a bad reputation.
@@hhhhhh-vi6sqwhen was your last championship? 😅
Looks like drs open all lap vs not open😂.
What an engine, the difference is big.
First ?