The FBI Load was our issued service round that I was forced to use in the early ‘80s. A man was being held hostage in a local motel hallway. He had his victim held in front of him like a shield w/a butcher knife in his victim’s mouth. Three rounds hit the bad guy in the throat, chest & thigh allowing the victim/hostage to escape w/minor cuts to the inside of his mouth. The ammo did it’s job and somehow the suspect I shot survived his wounds.
The Texas FBI load used 5.3 gr of Unique with the 158 gr SWCHP . The St. Louis /. FBI load can be duplicated with 4.2 hrs of Bullseye powder or 5.2 grs of Unique . Out of a model 13 S&W 3:" barrel it achieved 880-890 fps . I hope this helps , .
I like the Zero 158 grain LSWCHP from Powder Valley. They are a great value and lubricated with a waxy film like the Speer and Remington factory loads. I use a stout charge of W231 with CCI primers to get extreme spreads of less than 40 fps. They run about 950 fps. from my old S&W 10-6 with 4” barrel. Late to this party but better late than never! 👍😉
Hey JC, you missed a video! I’d be curious to see if the swaged bullets at that velocity cause any leading issues. Soft swaged bullets never have worked well for me. Most of my .38 special loads since like 2005 were 125 hard cast with a near max load of Trail Boss when it came out and was plentiful. Now I’ll rethink with Bullseye, Titegroup and Unique. It seems like the gun on the rest causes the groups to pull right. The M-10 and you shoot great standing. Glad to see you back!
Something I did notice after filming, those three cylinders full did cause some leading. Whatever wax they put on them isn’t very good. But I have also found the solution so far. Liquid Alox. Since filming this I swirled more of these in Lee Liquid Alox and have shot more of them, with not leading. I’ll discuss that in part twos video whenever I get it out. Thanks for the support!
For a very clean burning load, try 4.4 grains of Trail Boss behind a 158 grain LSWC or LSWCHP. I get almost no unburned powder. I don't have a chronograph so I don't know what velocity I'm getting. You shoot that old model 10 pretty good. You might want to be on the lookout for some new stainless steel dummy rounds for the .38 special. They should help with speed loader practice.
Those reloads looked a tad snappy. Might try up or down the powder a tad. I use Titegroup on my .38 reloads, but they’re light loads. Really cool seeing that old Model 10 sending them. You’re gonna have a blast at your upcoming class!
I think the variance in ES/SD is due to mixed cases. They were same brand, but not from same lot/box. I’ve a thenth more powder in cases I weighed and found to be exact or within .1 grains in weight. The SD/ES was cut in half. Thanks for the support my friend!
Howdy there! I'd love to see you tinker your way into the old 'Treasury' +P+ .38 special as issued by the US Customs Service in their 686 Revolvers- Might have fun with that!
BTW, I would not use the thin cup Remington 1.5 small pistol primers with hot higher pressure loads. You could get pressure deformation of the primer and punctured primers. Those are for low pressure light powder charge target loads. For hot loads use the thick cup Remington 5.5 small pistol primers.
I haven’t experienced any issues yet, but I’ll look into something else if that’s the case. I also have some Winchester SPP also I can try. Appreciate the advice.
Speer makes a lswchp 158 gr swaged bullet that I’ve driven to 1354 fps in a 357 magnum with no leading and excellent accuracy. It’s great in 38 special too.
If you have titegroup that bullet you have there shoots the tightest groups of any 38 load I’ve tried with 3.8 grains. It’s standard pressure and easy on the gun and shooter.
My .38Spl. target loads are just 158gr. SWC pushing 800fps. I am using Unique also but lighter charge. You could try Bullseye for a faster burn rate but Bullseye is pretty dirty powder. I used Bullseye a lot for .45ACP target loads of 185gr. SWC. Unique is a medium burn rate and cleaner burning. Your off hand accuracy is good. Don't sweat it. Thanks for sharing.
When I couldn't get Unique I tried Universal and HP-38 for 38 Special with the Speer 158 gr. lead bullets. Accuracy was just as good, but much cleaner.
@@craigbenz4835 Thing is I can use Unique also for my shotgun loads. Not many pistol powders can do that. Unique is a medium burn rate while HP38 is a fast burn rate similar to Bullseye. I will stick with Unique. If it ain't broke I don't fix it.
The FBI Load was our issued service round that I was forced to use in the early ‘80s. A man was being held hostage in a local motel hallway. He had his victim held in front of him like a shield w/a butcher knife in his victim’s mouth. Three rounds hit the bad guy in the throat, chest & thigh allowing the victim/hostage to escape w/minor cuts to the inside of his mouth. The ammo did it’s job and somehow the suspect I shot survived his wounds.
The Texas FBI load used 5.3 gr of Unique with the 158 gr SWCHP . The St. Louis /. FBI load can be duplicated with 4.2 hrs of Bullseye powder or 5.2 grs of Unique . Out of a model 13 S&W 3:" barrel it achieved 880-890 fps . I hope this helps , .
Appreciate it! I’ll make sure to write this down on my notes
Next to my Blackhawks I really enjoy my model 10.
Big brother to the Alaskan XT. That is what I got and I am very pleased with it. Thank you gents.
I like the Zero 158 grain LSWCHP from Powder Valley. They are a great value and lubricated with a waxy film like the Speer and Remington factory loads. I use a stout charge of W231 with CCI primers to get extreme spreads of less than 40 fps. They run about 950 fps. from my old S&W 10-6 with 4” barrel. Late to this party but better late than never! 👍😉
Yes!!, try Unique maybe 7 grains😊😊😊
Hey JC, you missed a video! I’d be curious to see if the swaged bullets at that velocity cause any leading issues. Soft swaged bullets never have worked well for me. Most of my .38 special loads since like 2005 were 125 hard cast with a near max load of Trail Boss when it came out and was plentiful. Now I’ll rethink with Bullseye, Titegroup and Unique. It seems like the gun on the rest causes the groups to pull right. The M-10 and you shoot great standing.
Glad to see you back!
Something I did notice after filming, those three cylinders full did cause some leading. Whatever wax they put on them isn’t very good. But I have also found the solution so far. Liquid Alox. Since filming this I swirled more of these in Lee Liquid Alox and have shot more of them, with not leading. I’ll discuss that in part twos video whenever I get it out. Thanks for the support!
For a very clean burning load, try 4.4 grains of Trail Boss behind a 158 grain LSWC or LSWCHP. I get almost no unburned powder. I don't have a chronograph so I don't know what velocity I'm getting. You shoot that old model 10 pretty good. You might want to be on the lookout for some new stainless steel dummy rounds for the .38 special. They should help with speed loader practice.
Those reloads looked a tad snappy. Might try up or down the powder a tad. I use Titegroup on my .38 reloads, but they’re light loads. Really cool seeing that old Model 10 sending them. You’re gonna have a blast at your upcoming class!
The ES and SD seemed high, but these had plenty of power and your off hand accuracy was nothing to sneeze at.
Good stuff!
I think the variance in ES/SD is due to mixed cases. They were same brand, but not from same lot/box. I’ve a thenth more powder in cases I weighed and found to be exact or within .1 grains in weight. The SD/ES was cut in half. Thanks for the support my friend!
@@j_c_hunt ah, that makes sense!
Howdy there! I'd love to see you tinker your way into the old 'Treasury' +P+ .38 special as issued by the US Customs Service in their 686 Revolvers- Might have fun with that!
I’ll look into that for the future. Thanks for the suggestion!
@@j_c_hunt You can sometimes find it in Law Enforcement only ammunition catalogs if you look!
Good video. Thanks.
Good stuff!
BTW, I would not use the thin cup Remington 1.5 small pistol primers with hot higher pressure loads. You could get pressure deformation of the primer and punctured primers. Those are for low pressure light powder charge target loads. For hot loads use the thick cup Remington 5.5 small pistol primers.
I haven’t experienced any issues yet, but I’ll look into something else if that’s the case. I also have some Winchester SPP also I can try. Appreciate the advice.
@@NorthernNevadan-x2k I use 1.5 for my target loads and 5.5 for my general purpose and +P hotter loads.
Speer makes a lswchp 158 gr swaged bullet that I’ve driven to 1354 fps in a 357 magnum with no leading and excellent accuracy. It’s great in 38 special too.
Thanks for the info! I’ll take a look for some to compare!
If you have titegroup that bullet you have there shoots the tightest groups of any 38 load I’ve tried with 3.8 grains. It’s standard pressure and easy on the gun and shooter.
My .38Spl. target loads are just 158gr. SWC pushing 800fps. I am using Unique also but lighter charge. You could try Bullseye for a faster burn rate but Bullseye is pretty dirty powder. I used Bullseye a lot for .45ACP target loads of 185gr. SWC. Unique is a medium burn rate and cleaner burning. Your off hand accuracy is good. Don't sweat it. Thanks for sharing.
When I couldn't get Unique I tried Universal and HP-38 for 38 Special with the Speer 158 gr. lead bullets. Accuracy was just as good, but much cleaner.
@@craigbenz4835 Thing is I can use Unique also for my shotgun loads. Not many pistol powders can do that. Unique is a medium burn rate while HP38 is a fast burn rate similar to Bullseye. I will stick with Unique. If it ain't broke I don't fix it.
Maybe Titegroup.