One of the reason to put motor outside of the wheel is to reduce the unsprung mass which affects the motorbike handling significantly. None a word on how heavy the hollow motor is in this bike, but even if they use compisites it still could be 15kg+. Plus you'll need to have a good seal to protect that hollow motor huge bearing from getting dirt and water inside because that bearing itself will cost $$$$ to replace. Looks cool though.
This; those bearings will suck in every respect and honestly its bs to say this is function over form. Cost, weight, rigidity... none of it really adds up.
They'll be obsolete as the mass Anerican market will reject them. We love bikes here--building em, fixing em up, revving loudly... Ebikes are boring. Can't work on em. They don't feel like a hog. Maybe if you're a 20 yr old Asian kid who likes street bikes, but probably not. If they were cheaper and disposable, they might make good drug smuggling bikes for the border gangs. But no self-respecting American would be caught dead on that duracell.
TRON here we are at last.....! What a spanking gorgeous machine. My Last bike was a CB900 four. I thought I was riding a starship at the time. This is truly next level.
@@ScottEdy UBCO is an utility bike with 2 motors, great idea, but the look is ridiculous for me.... The Verge is a real motorbike, not comparable to the UBCO
@@Cloxxki They have a video on their channel showing how the rear tire is removed. The tire comes off with the rim, the motor stays connected to the swingarm, the tire is replaced like any other rim
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Back in the day I'd be lusting to put that on a frame table to inspect and adjust the frame dimensional accuracy head to tail. Now I'd just like to mount and go! Such an awesome machine.
Ive run Zero DSR, SRF for 4 years, good machines and air cooled. This looks good but Im concerned unsprung weight / water ingress / debris ingress on peripheral motor drive seal. Agree bike 360 vision is a good idea, survival is ride defensively, the more eyes/brains the better.
Wow, What an awesoome and forward thinking design.. Love it... Get someone to road test it in Scotland in the Outer Hebrides and or Shetland... and see if it survivs the winter... But loads of respect guys for suc a wow design!
The three high voltage Orange wires that are hanging out look cheap and not esthetically pleasing to the eye. Seems like they could have made an amazing cover for those. Boots getting rubbed against that and other things like someone wanting to chop them out for metal might be an issue.
An electric kick stand that picks the bike up on a stand would be awesome. That's the part where many people think there stand is down or planted and they start letting the bike tilt and the stand folds back up.
Was an owner of a hub motor motorcycle, absolutely awful to ride as the weight in the wheel would come crashing up if you hit a bump, and this was after I tuned the damping rates of the suspension. From my experience, hub motors are a terrible idea for those who want a comfortable and safe ride. By the way, I own a 2022 Zero SR now and it's amazing.
There are some amazing electric motorcycles already out there today. I got one of the first Zero SR/F bikes (140 lf-ft!!!) four years ago. Today Energica sells fantastic 2-wheeled EVs, and I know there are others. That wheel-motor looks cool, but it is all unsprung weight.
@@Miata822 well said. Right now I have ICE motorcycles (and a Motocompacto) but eventually I want an EV bike that's fun. Not sure when they are right for me, but I'm sure I'll have one some day soon
@@streddaz highways suck on motorcycles anyway. I do what I can to avoid them, always choose the old 2 lane over a superslab, unless I have no choice. It's not about getting from A-B it's about the ride.
Looks Great and congrats on this prototype! I do have questions though: #1. Parts and service. The age old questions that actually make something viable. #2. If that motor really has 200hp, that swingarm looks very under engineered. #3. Agree that the motor is in a great place for many reasons, but it's right in the water and grime! Not convinced it will hold up very long..
Better test drive this one, on rough roads and sharp turns. Competition and dirt bikes do not reduce every gram of unsprung weight for no reason. Motors in the wheels are a massive amount of unsprung weight.
Well this is neither a competition nor a dirt bike, so I see no issue with added unsprung weight. The bike is heavy to begin with, so on track it's not going to be as nimble as a sport bike.
@@Tomzuki. Since YOuTube will not allow a link to an outside source that would explain to you the fundamentals of moto suspension here is what Chat GPT has to say on the matter. Low unsprung mass is crucial in motorcycles used on the street for several reasons: Improved Handling and Responsiveness: Unsprung mass refers to the weight of components not supported by the suspension system, such as wheels, tires, and part of the motorcycle's suspension. Reducing unsprung mass enhances the motorcycle's ability to respond quickly to changes in the road surface. This results in improved handling, better maneuverability, and increased responsiveness, especially during cornering and quick direction changes. Enhanced Suspension Performance: A lower unsprung mass allows the suspension system to react more efficiently to bumps, irregularities, and other road imperfections. The suspension can follow the contours of the road more accurately, providing a smoother and more controlled ride. This is particularly important for street motorcycles where comfort and stability are essential. Increased Traction: Lower unsprung mass contributes to better tire contact with the road surface. Improved traction is essential for safe street riding, especially during acceleration, braking, and cornering. With reduced unsprung mass, the tires can maintain better contact with the road, leading to enhanced grip and stability. Reduced Vibrations and Fatigue: Motorcycles with lower unsprung mass tend to experience fewer vibrations transmitted from the road to the rider. This not only enhances comfort but also reduces rider fatigue during long rides. The overall smoothness of the ride contributes to a more enjoyable and less tiring experience for street riders. Braking Performance: Low unsprung mass is beneficial for braking performance. The reduced weight in the unsprung components allows the braking system to work more effectively, resulting in quicker and more controlled stops. This is crucial for street motorcycles where sudden stops may be necessary in traffic or emergency situations. Fuel Efficiency: While the impact on fuel efficiency may be relatively small, reducing unsprung mass can contribute to overall energy efficiency. Lighter components require less energy to move, and this can result in slightly improved fuel economy. In summary, low unsprung mass in street motorcycles enhances handling, responsiveness, traction, and overall ride quality. These factors are vital for a positive riding experience, safety, and performance on the diverse road conditions encountered in everyday street riding.
I want to know about the pack voltage, what type of motor is it using, Ac or Dc? Battery capacity in volts and amp hours, miles per kwh used, overall range that can be expected, this is all useful information to have when considering a bike.
Want. Being able to have a turn camera on like the Tesla, greatly removing the need to do a head check so you can keep your vision forward, is a huge win. Unsure how comfy that seat will be after an hour or two in the saddle, but otherwise seems a winner. Less moving parts = happy owner.
I need one of these motorcycles, a Cybertruck, a 2nd generation roadster and a Tesla robot to clean and wax all these machines in my garage. … now where did I put my winning lottery ticket?
I didn't even see that. 10-80% or 0-100? NACS, J1-AC or CCS? Lots of unanswered questions. Not sure if they edited those questions out for another video, or just bad journalism.
124 mph top speed kind of sucks though. I routinely go faster than that on my ZX-10R. Unless a cop is reading this. Then, I always obey the speed limit.
2:20 No cooling at all? No inverter cooling, no motor cooling.....then I'm afraid it wouldn't hold up for me at work when I need to push +20kWh/100km for an urgent delivery/pickup.
they should levetate the wheel around the hub with a maglev-like setup where the hub is suspended within a magnetic field. so you use rotating magnetic pulse to move it forward or backwards
For those wondering about handling characteristics, just look at the wheelbase of the bike and it will give you a good idea. This won't handle like a naked/sportbike, but like a cruiser. Regarding the 885 pounds-feet of torque the electric motor has, to give context, it is common for *fast* ICE bikes to have over 1200lb*ft of torque in first gear at the wheel.
I'm going to have to disagree with you that looking at the wheelbase tells you how it's going to handle. There are many other factors involved that determine how something handles.
@@JasonWW2000 I'm making the assumption that the designer is competent and they have optimized rake, trail and center of gravity. Even the Diavel has poor handing compared to all the sportbikes with ~6 inches less wheelbase; the giant 240 section rear of the Ducati doesn't do it's handling any favors either I suppose.
How do they keep the thing cool? How do you do the temperature management for a high performance Lithium battery which gets parked in the hot sun on a 105 degree summer day? How does that work without active cooling with a heat pump? How does the inverter and motor survive? Sounds strange to me.
Lovely design, I can't afford it any time soon, but I have an idea for the front, suspension why not try center hub staring? It already has a nice rear , give the next model a great front 🙏 please
like 3 years ago this was on presale for 25k eur, which was far too expensive for me. now basically the same bike is above 50k. nuts. great optics and hopefully great tech, though. wish them all the best.
Better weight management, simpler, more torque, lower voltage requirement & less magnetic flux. Far more effective application of technology. Only improvement I can think of is a quick-change battery system. Beautiful engineering!
Looks great ... BUT if fitted with solid state batteries available (Apparently) soon ... how much - lighter , feaster charging, and range increase ?????
The Best of the Best and People Don’t Even Know It 👀 This is A Masterpiece of Technology on Two Wheels, we all paid 45.000 for way less this technology needs to go into a car design 👀🙏🏾✊🏾👏🏾🧐🤔 Hub less wheel is the motor 👀 what 👀 My whole family is getting one and talk these guys into designing a car
Imagine the first day you lay that down when parking or such. Every rider has done it. Make it stand up by itself and I'll be impressed. Electric kick stand to park the bike would be awesome.
Suppose there are more Aron Von Zippers out there than I thought. Haven't in almost 50 years of riding dropped a bike from forgetting to put the stand down while parking it or moving it around the garage. How smart would the system have to be to be able to reliably determine for every rider when they did or didn't want the stand to automatically deploy? Just unnecessary weight, complexity and cost along with another expensive item to repair when it breaks. Best!
@@neilfromclearwaterfl81 every rider in my riding group of about 46 people have thought they put the kick stand all the way down and when getting off the bike had the bike tip over. Sometimes more gently than other times. Getting some larger bikes on the center stand is much harder. I have a bigger bike and the center stand parking is very hard. I don’t mean automatically like it should know when to deploy, I mean automatically when you push a button it will deploy.
@@djemcee I am so sorry to hear that. Perhaps you younger folks have gotten too distracted as that is a very, very rare thing in my circle of older riders many of whom walk with canes yet still can get a touring bike on the center stand. Often issues getting the bike on a center stand can occur due to putting lower profile tires on the bike or from certain attempts at lowering it making it so the center stand is now too tall and you have to overcome a larger center of moment to get it over the top. Best!
How would you get that rear tire serviced though? Doesn’t look like anything just any bike shop would be be able to do.. is there a special tire machine you would need or special tools to actually do service? Tires don’t last forever so just curious to find out if their new design fits into current infrastructure
They have a video on their channel showing how the rear tire is removed. The tire comes off with the rim, the motor stays connected to the swingarm, the tire is replaced like on any other rim
I am planning on building a bike with pretty much the same concept in mind. Reduce the amount of moving parts, and keep the weight low. I have a 1979 Kawasaki that I am converting to EV, I will build the roughly 20kwh pack and it will fit where the engine and trans used to sit. As far as the motor, I am not 100% sure where that will go just yet, most likely a rear hub motor, but I want longevity and maybe a mid drive will be best, I'm not sure yet.
Hubless rear wheel motor is brilliant for a road bike. Unsprung so not good for off road I guess. I wonder if the larger diameter of the motor would mean easier generation of torque?
Sadly all I can pay attention to is the audio clipping on Marko's voice. I know it's difficult in a loud conference space, but a bit more effort on guest vocals would be nice. Rob's levels seem to be perfect. Could just be limitations in the recording equipment they are using.
Heat rejection in competitive driving will be interesting. Heat and heat cycles matter a lot with tyres, and the motor is now the rim. Evolutions might have fans in the rear hubs spinning actively or passively to get rid of as much heat. There at least is a lot of surface area to the inside. Liquid to air cooled? A thin outer layer of silver (the real Ag) coating might assist.
The rear rim is carbon (even though the front wheel looks aluminum), likely because of heat. Also, adding a layer of more conductive metal doesn't help.
‘Nother over-the-top high end tech-laden and performance bijou for th’ others ! The first to put out a daily rider for “everyone else in da world” ( ~ 25 kW, 75 Nm, 250 km…ish) range with “normal” tech for under $5k will rule 2WheelWorld.
I’m concerned that it is not water cooled. How do you keep the battery at the right temperature if you leave the bike sitting in the hot sun for a few hours?
I saw pictures of the „naked“ battery pack. Unfortunatly they are not available online. They have some sort of passive cooling plate on both sides (unterneath the black panels at the side of the bike). On every of this cooling plates sits a fan. I would say it‘s not the best cooling solution, but it‘s better than passive only and a liquid cooled system adds weight, complexity and more need of maintenance. Will be interesting to see back to back ride-charge-ride-… scenarios in real life.
Yea wayyy too much. I’m building one now and it already runs. I’m just 3d printing the fairings. I only spent 2k USD….. 45k they just want to make their initial investment back from all the R&D right away. They are Just thinking about the money, you can tell with his “LV” hat ..
Poor mentally. All startups needs this kind of investment. Specially with thiskind of innovation. Usually when they thrive the will make more affordable models. I'm rooting for all electric motorcycle startups that make it
So it's the same price as a full loaded Harley that requires oil changes $$, fuel $$, and other maintenance $$$.. I know which one will be cheaper in the long run!
so that hollow core motor has been used in EUC for more than a few years now... odd they have a patent on it. same with downloadable firmware. that said, this rocket looks dope
One of the reason to put motor outside of the wheel is to reduce the unsprung mass which affects the motorbike handling significantly. None a word on how heavy the hollow motor is in this bike, but even if they use compisites it still could be 15kg+. Plus you'll need to have a good seal to protect that hollow motor huge bearing from getting dirt and water inside because that bearing itself will cost $$$$ to replace.
Looks cool though.
This; those bearings will suck in every respect and honestly its bs to say this is function over form. Cost, weight, rigidity... none of it really adds up.
Looks like It's sprung, tyre floats on the bearings and the motor that is attached to the side arm? 🤔
@@Y2Kvids There's a wheel which is pretty much just the rim and a flange to mount it to the motor rotor. The motor stator is attached to the swingarm.
@@Y2Kvids everything from the swing arm pivot rearward is unsprung weight. So, swing arm, motor and wheel are all considered unsprung weight.
Weight savings on Axle/spokes , chain,sprocket , centre hub Vs added motor, copper, carbon fibre rim, bearings, cooling fins .
TRON is here. I am finally seeing the future now
They said they have a Patten on the motor. It was well known in GTA5 Tron bike. What a crook.
Well done Marco, kudos.
This reminds me of the early computers in the '80s. Imagine where we'll be in ten or twenty years.
100% we gave reached the pinnacle of combustion engines, now we'er at the beginning of lightning-machines.
ya volt the sky's the limit
gettin there
FYI, battery costs have been reported to have dropped by 40% this past month.@@markmeridian3360
They'll be obsolete as the mass Anerican market will reject them. We love bikes here--building em, fixing em up, revving loudly... Ebikes are boring. Can't work on em. They don't feel like a hog.
Maybe if you're a 20 yr old Asian kid who likes street bikes, but probably not. If they were cheaper and disposable, they might make good drug smuggling bikes for the border gangs.
But no self-respecting American would be caught dead on that duracell.
TRON here we are at last.....! What a spanking gorgeous machine. My Last bike was a CB900 four. I thought I was riding a starship at the time. This is truly next level.
This is the future technology for motorbikes we were waiting for ! Waiting to test one of those !
Still no Two Front Wheels w/ Articulating Parallelogram suspension.
see - Gillera Fuoco 500.
and I was hoping for DUAL motors & ADAS.
@@markplott4820 3 wheels are OK for a scooter, here it is a real motorbike....
I agree on DUAL motors, one in front and one in the rear.
Dual motor?.. wtf? Seen the UBCO?
@@ScottEdy UBCO is an utility bike with 2 motors, great idea, but the look is ridiculous for me....
The Verge is a real motorbike, not comparable to the UBCO
For $50k! you got to be kidding me!
Love the concept of the back wheel. This is how all motorcycles will be built in future. It makes so much sense.
Does the tyre come off easily is the rim just coming with a motor?
@@Cloxxki They have a video on their channel showing how the rear tire is removed. The tire comes off with the rim, the motor stays connected to the swingarm, the tire is replaced like any other rim
Depends. He spins the story wrt packaging for handling. But unsprung weight is often very detrimental as well. So it's still a trade off.
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They are.
Hienoa😊. Suomi rules! Hyvä veto Marko.
Back in the day I'd be lusting to put that on a frame table to inspect and adjust the frame dimensional accuracy head to tail. Now I'd just like to mount and go! Such an awesome machine.
Wow, bloody brilliant!!! Well done!!
Ive run Zero DSR, SRF for 4 years, good machines and air cooled. This looks good but Im concerned unsprung weight / water ingress / debris ingress on peripheral motor drive seal. Agree bike 360 vision is a good idea, survival is ride defensively, the more eyes/brains the better.
Proud to be finnish when I see things like that!
Definitely a Engineered Motorcycle - One of our favorite Motorcycles to ride and own 👊
Nice review, but need some essentials: weight, price, top speed?
. . . total of unsprung weight because of hub motor shortcut.
3:00 they show some of the specs. 233 mi range, 124 mph top speed, 2.5s 0-60.
Not sure about price and weight.
Wow, What an awesoome and forward thinking design.. Love it... Get someone to road test it in Scotland in the Outer Hebrides and or Shetland... and see if it survivs the winter... But loads of respect guys for suc a wow design!
The three high voltage Orange wires that are hanging out look cheap and not esthetically pleasing to the eye. Seems like they could have made an amazing cover for those. Boots getting rubbed against that and other things like someone wanting to chop them out for metal might be an issue.
An electric kick stand that picks the bike up on a stand would be awesome. That's the part where many people think there stand is down or planted and they start letting the bike tilt and the stand folds back up.
ooooo....good idea!
a normal kick is fine
More Motorcycles!
I want to see Sandi test ride it. He knows everything
Was an owner of a hub motor motorcycle, absolutely awful to ride as the weight in the wheel would come crashing up if you hit a bump, and this was after I tuned the damping rates of the suspension. From my experience, hub motors are a terrible idea for those who want a comfortable and safe ride. By the way, I own a 2022 Zero SR now and it's amazing.
Optimal is front hub/rear hub and a mid drive, and then do everything you can to mount the battery as low as possible
As an ICE’d lifer I’m not sure how I got here but, and I hate to admit it, I’m impressed.
Smart man
Looks great! If they can get decent range this thing could be a viable super naked alternative
There are some amazing electric motorcycles already out there today. I got one of the first Zero SR/F bikes (140 lf-ft!!!) four years ago. Today Energica sells fantastic 2-wheeled EVs, and I know there are others. That wheel-motor looks cool, but it is all unsprung weight.
Motorcycles are very difficult to get good range with at highway speeds due to poor aero, mainly due to the big hunk of meat that sits on them.
@@Miata822 well said. Right now I have ICE motorcycles (and a Motocompacto) but eventually I want an EV bike that's fun. Not sure when they are right for me, but I'm sure I'll have one some day soon
i fck8n doubt it. these type of vehicles are not needed in the future.
@@streddaz highways suck on motorcycles anyway. I do what I can to avoid them, always choose the old 2 lane over a superslab, unless I have no choice. It's not about getting from A-B it's about the ride.
Thats very neat. I hope soon the volume can drive the cost down.
All wheel drive is now easily possible.
Looks Great and congrats on this prototype! I do have questions though:
#1. Parts and service. The age old questions that actually make something viable.
#2. If that motor really has 200hp, that swingarm looks very under engineered.
#3. Agree that the motor is in a great place for many reasons, but it's right in the water and grime! Not convinced it will hold up very long..
Better test drive this one, on rough roads and sharp turns. Competition and dirt bikes do not reduce every gram of unsprung weight for no reason. Motors in the wheels are a massive amount of unsprung weight.
The BMW GS says hello. 😜😂
Well this is neither a competition nor a dirt bike, so I see no issue with added unsprung weight. The bike is heavy to begin with, so on track it's not going to be as nimble as a sport bike.
This doesn’t look like a trail bike, looks urban/highway to me.
@@gwarlow Matters less, but still matters greatly in handling.
@@Tomzuki. Since YOuTube will not allow a link to an outside source that would explain to you the fundamentals of moto suspension here is what Chat GPT has to say on the matter.
Low unsprung mass is crucial in motorcycles used on the street for several reasons:
Improved Handling and Responsiveness: Unsprung mass refers to the weight of components not supported by the suspension system, such as wheels, tires, and part of the motorcycle's suspension. Reducing unsprung mass enhances the motorcycle's ability to respond quickly to changes in the road surface. This results in improved handling, better maneuverability, and increased responsiveness, especially during cornering and quick direction changes.
Enhanced Suspension Performance: A lower unsprung mass allows the suspension system to react more efficiently to bumps, irregularities, and other road imperfections. The suspension can follow the contours of the road more accurately, providing a smoother and more controlled ride. This is particularly important for street motorcycles where comfort and stability are essential.
Increased Traction: Lower unsprung mass contributes to better tire contact with the road surface. Improved traction is essential for safe street riding, especially during acceleration, braking, and cornering. With reduced unsprung mass, the tires can maintain better contact with the road, leading to enhanced grip and stability.
Reduced Vibrations and Fatigue: Motorcycles with lower unsprung mass tend to experience fewer vibrations transmitted from the road to the rider. This not only enhances comfort but also reduces rider fatigue during long rides. The overall smoothness of the ride contributes to a more enjoyable and less tiring experience for street riders.
Braking Performance: Low unsprung mass is beneficial for braking performance. The reduced weight in the unsprung components allows the braking system to work more effectively, resulting in quicker and more controlled stops. This is crucial for street motorcycles where sudden stops may be necessary in traffic or emergency situations.
Fuel Efficiency: While the impact on fuel efficiency may be relatively small, reducing unsprung mass can contribute to overall energy efficiency. Lighter components require less energy to move, and this can result in slightly improved fuel economy.
In summary, low unsprung mass in street motorcycles enhances handling, responsiveness, traction, and overall ride quality. These factors are vital for a positive riding experience, safety, and performance on the diverse road conditions encountered in everyday street riding.
Love those leather pants!😊
Best feature of the video.
Dude kept rambling on about a motorcycle. What motorcycle?
Looks like a Naked Street Bike. Great technology. Advanced concept. Can't wait to ride this Next-generation EV Machine. 😊
Got $50k?
but much much heavier
I want to know about the pack voltage, what type of motor is it using, Ac or Dc? Battery capacity in volts and amp hours, miles per kwh used, overall range that can be expected, this is all useful information to have when considering a bike.
Its neither AC or DC. Its electronically commutated 3-pole.
Yes please plus a winning lottery ticket.☺
Want. Being able to have a turn camera on like the Tesla, greatly removing the need to do a head check so you can keep your vision forward, is a huge win. Unsure how comfy that seat will be after an hour or two in the saddle, but otherwise seems a winner. Less moving parts = happy owner.
People who are saying 45k no thanks like no one whould expect you to buy this and thats why we have rich people😂
I need one of these motorcycles, a Cybertruck, a 2nd generation roadster and a Tesla robot to clean and wax all these machines in my garage. … now where did I put my winning lottery ticket?
A winning lottery ticket will do you zero good on the cybertruck. Get in line.
Charging speed and interface? I briefly saw 25 minutes for charging, but in what context?
I didn't even see that. 10-80% or 0-100? NACS, J1-AC or CCS? Lots of unanswered questions. Not sure if they edited those questions out for another video, or just bad journalism.
Amazing looks, engineering and a well thought out suite of safety features for the rider. A great product.
You should have explained more of the motor and drivetrain
A lot more..
time for a teardown
Worth every cent.
iv been telling them for ages to add a road rash resistant cover for those HV cables so no one's electrocuted in an acident.
Price, milage and specs are impressive .
124 mph top speed kind of sucks though. I routinely go faster than that on my ZX-10R. Unless a cop is reading this. Then, I always obey the speed limit.
The future is looking fun 😊
The price will come down. This is a very progressive design!
I, Dont see that EVER happening.
Why will the price come down?
Who wants these things?
I would buy that motorcycle tomorrow if I could that is a very nice machine I must say
I would like to know what is involved when replacing the rear tire
The future motorcycle is here today!
2:20 No cooling at all? No inverter cooling, no motor cooling.....then I'm afraid it wouldn't hold up for me at work when I need to push +20kWh/100km for an urgent delivery/pickup.
they should levetate the wheel around the hub with a maglev-like setup where the hub is suspended within a magnetic field. so you use rotating magnetic pulse to move it forward or backwards
Does anyone know the price or did I miss it in the vid?
When are they going to make it 2 wheel drive?
Cheers guys
Amazing bike!
For those wondering about handling characteristics, just look at the wheelbase of the bike and it will give you a good idea. This won't handle like a naked/sportbike, but like a cruiser.
Regarding the 885 pounds-feet of torque the electric motor has, to give context, it is common for *fast* ICE bikes to have over 1200lb*ft of torque in first gear at the wheel.
I'm going to have to disagree with you that looking at the wheelbase tells you how it's going to handle. There are many other factors involved that determine how something handles.
@@JasonWW2000 I'm making the assumption that the designer is competent and they have optimized rake, trail and center of gravity. Even the Diavel has poor handing compared to all the sportbikes with ~6 inches less wheelbase; the giant 240 section rear of the Ducati doesn't do it's handling any favors either I suppose.
fast ICE cars get stomped by the Tesla plaids E-torque is real
How do they keep the thing cool? How do you do the temperature management for a high performance Lithium battery which gets parked in the hot sun on a 105 degree summer day? How does that work without active cooling with a heat pump? How does the inverter and motor survive? Sounds strange to me.
Unsprung weight at the end of the swing arm?
Lovely design, I can't afford it any time soon, but I have an idea for the front, suspension why not try center hub staring? It already has a nice rear , give the next model a great front 🙏 please
did i miss the price? would change the design also a bit.
Show me production plans and i might think about it in the future.
This is what you call better engineering, that's nothing but butter baby.
I want to ride this so bad.
like 3 years ago this was on presale for 25k eur, which was far too expensive for me. now basically the same bike is above 50k. nuts. great optics and hopefully great tech, though. wish them all the best.
not the same bike - this is with 6 cameras, dual displays, and so on
@@bababababa ok, almost the same bike. some expensive cameras and additional screen... still, hope this type of bikes get rolling!
Better weight management, simpler, more torque, lower voltage requirement & less magnetic flux. Far more effective application of technology.
Only improvement I can think of is a quick-change battery system.
Beautiful engineering!
I want one, but not at 45,000 dollars, I can get a Tesla for that.
Looks great ... BUT if fitted with solid state batteries available (Apparently) soon ... how much - lighter , feaster charging, and range increase ?????
Is it NACS charging or is it CCS, or slow J1 AC charging?
The Best of the Best and People Don’t Even Know It 👀 This is A Masterpiece of Technology on Two Wheels, we all paid 45.000 for way less this technology needs to go into a car design 👀🙏🏾✊🏾👏🏾🧐🤔 Hub less wheel is the motor 👀 what 👀 My whole family is getting one and talk these guys into designing a car
I was hoping for Central motor w/ Front & Rear half shafts .
Imagine the first day you lay that down when parking or such. Every rider has done it. Make it stand up by itself and I'll be impressed. Electric kick stand to park the bike would be awesome.
Suppose there are more Aron Von Zippers out there than I thought. Haven't in almost 50 years of riding dropped a bike from forgetting to put the stand down while parking it or moving it around the garage. How smart would the system have to be to be able to reliably determine for every rider when they did or didn't want the stand to automatically deploy?
Just unnecessary weight, complexity and cost along with another expensive item to repair when it breaks.
Best!
@@neilfromclearwaterfl81 every rider in my riding group of about 46 people have thought they put the kick stand all the way down and when getting off the bike had the bike tip over. Sometimes more gently than other times. Getting some larger bikes on the center stand is much harder. I have a bigger bike and the center stand parking is very hard. I don’t mean automatically like it should know when to deploy, I mean automatically when you push a button it will deploy.
@@djemcee I am so sorry to hear that.
Perhaps you younger folks have gotten too distracted as that is a very, very rare thing in my circle of older riders many of whom walk with canes yet still can get a touring bike on the center stand.
Often issues getting the bike on a center stand can occur due to putting lower profile tires on the bike or from certain attempts at lowering it making it so the center stand is now too tall and you have to overcome a larger center of moment to get it over the top.
Best!
@@neilfromclearwaterfl81 strange response
Don't forget to breath Mate. Nice Bike
Unsprung weight of the rear wheel?
I love the hub design. I have a zero DS and know that one day that rubber belt is gonna give on the trail
Swap it to a chain :)
@@elbowsout6301 i will eventually, but I do alot of riding in sand so kinda want to see how belt holds up
Any regen braking?
How would you get that rear tire serviced though? Doesn’t look like anything just any bike shop would be be able to do.. is there a special tire machine you would need or special tools to actually do service? Tires don’t last forever so just curious to find out if their new design fits into current infrastructure
They have a video on their channel showing how the rear tire is removed. The tire comes off with the rim, the motor stays connected to the swingarm, the tire is replaced like on any other rim
@@Tomzuki. nice! Ty for the reply
How do you change the rear tire / remove rim from bike?
Do you mean remove the wheel? Not just the tyre? With every motorcycle you need to remove the wheel to change the tyre.
They got a video for that on their youtube channel
I am planning on building a bike with pretty much the same concept in mind. Reduce the amount of moving parts, and keep the weight low. I have a 1979 Kawasaki that I am converting to EV, I will build the roughly 20kwh pack and it will fit where the engine and trans used to sit. As far as the motor, I am not 100% sure where that will go just yet, most likely a rear hub motor, but I want longevity and maybe a mid drive will be best, I'm not sure yet.
How much will a 20kwh battery weigh?
@@rjbiker66your not going to do better than 100kg
Nice ,Wana ride
Check out Indian startup Ultraviolet's f77. I like that one better...$5000... This one is close to $45000 😮
Where do they sell this? Who rides one?
Hubless rear wheel motor is brilliant for a road bike. Unsprung so not good for off road I guess. I wonder if the larger diameter of the motor would mean easier generation of torque?
This is mind blowing!
Afternoon guys
360 vision for motorcycle? Very smart
Sadly all I can pay attention to is the audio clipping on Marko's voice. I know it's difficult in a loud conference space, but a bit more effort on guest vocals would be nice. Rob's levels seem to be perfect. Could just be limitations in the recording equipment they are using.
How many kW on a Level 2 charger?
Happy Birthday, Sandy !
Heat rejection in competitive driving will be interesting. Heat and heat cycles matter a lot with tyres, and the motor is now the rim.
Evolutions might have fans in the rear hubs spinning actively or passively to get rid of as much heat. There at least is a lot of surface area to the inside. Liquid to air cooled? A thin outer layer of silver (the real Ag) coating might assist.
The rear rim is carbon (even though the front wheel looks aluminum), likely because of heat. Also, adding a layer of more conductive metal doesn't help.
The cameras and radars could enable AEB which they must be planning
Not a serious contender, that rear wheel looks cool but has anyone heard of the concept of unsprung weight ?!!?
‘Nother over-the-top high end tech-laden and performance bijou for th’ others ! The first to put out a daily rider for “everyone else in da world” ( ~ 25 kW, 75 Nm, 250 km…ish) range with “normal” tech for under $5k will rule 2WheelWorld.
What is the impact of water on the propulsion system?
None. It‘s sealed 🤷🏼♂️
I’m concerned that it is not water cooled. How do you keep the battery at the right temperature if you leave the bike sitting in the hot sun for a few hours?
I saw pictures of the „naked“ battery pack. Unfortunatly they are not available online. They have some sort of passive cooling plate on both sides (unterneath the black panels at the side of the bike). On every of this cooling plates sits a fan. I would say it‘s not the best cooling solution, but it‘s better than passive only and a liquid cooled system adds weight, complexity and more need of maintenance.
Will be interesting to see back to back ride-charge-ride-… scenarios in real life.
At $45,000, no thanks.
Yea wayyy too much. I’m building one now and it already runs. I’m just 3d printing the fairings. I only spent 2k USD….. 45k they just want to make their initial investment back from all the R&D right away. They are Just thinking about the money, you can tell with his “LV” hat ..
Poor
Poor mentally. All startups needs this kind of investment. Specially with thiskind of innovation. Usually when they thrive the will make more affordable models.
I'm rooting for all electric motorcycle startups that make it
Thats one ugly Baseball cap
So it's the same price as a full loaded Harley that requires oil changes $$, fuel $$, and other maintenance $$$.. I know which one will be cheaper in the long run!
Wow!
NACS compatible?
yes
what happened to the munro 2.0?
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The wheel hub rim motor is amazing next gen tech but don't damage it else you get a huge repair bill.
Looks great
How much???
They've said that they're going to start production for three years now.
I want one.
so that hollow core motor has been used in EUC for more than a few years now... odd they have a patent on it. same with downloadable firmware. that said, this rocket looks dope
It would be nice to have an integrated helmet with a hud display.