GHOSTS & Incorporeal Undead in 5e Dungeons & Dragons - Web DM
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My group's campaign world has a country that was devastated by a shadow infestation hundreds of years ago. It became a "lifeless" basin and eventually rejoined the political world as a nation of undead and golems who demanded the sovereignty it once held.
That's a cool setup!
I heard of old Eastern European folklore where vampires didn't begin as corporeals, but instead as spirits akin to shadows, then a hovering mass of blood (vampiric mist?), and then as true vampyres. Maybe they are the ones that run this land now, and are only supplied fresh meat through a treaty to make them a penal colony (like Australia but without the sun and Waltzing Matilda).
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I threw a "deck of many things" at my lv 3 party (because I'm a madman). One of them got Throne; I made the Keep they inherited a haunted lighthouse. They had to free the spirits of 2 ghosts, fight a bunch of animated armor (a classic), explored a laboratory, a haunted library, and then had to fight a banshee on a cloudy day at the top of the lighthouse. Then to top it all off, there was a red dragon wyrmling on the roof; it was slain, which will kindle a much larger plot thread.... muahahahaha! ANGRY MOMMA DRAGON
in one of my first games ever, we encountered 2 wraiths (a deadly encounter for our party). only I (a devotion paladin) and the sorcerer survived by pure luck. it was definitely scary and it didn't help that our DM let the deceased players control their specters. (5e btw.)
point is, amazing opponents for low-level parties, very memorable.
samuel Kapelle late reply, but how did the Spectre thing work?
The shadow!?
The shadow?
The shadow.
(looks slightly off-camera to the left, dramatic pause) ......... The Shadow.
Damn, now I have to go watch it again for a sixth time. "I don't want his pants, I just wanna see if I can steal them."
THE SHADOW!!!!!???
Funny story, two weeks ago, the exact situation happened where it quickly got out of hand. Four of us, level 3, went into a room with three wights. I casted Protection from Evil and Good on myself (abjurer wizard mountain dwarf), and still got hit. I failed by Constitution saving throw, taking my 23 hit points and 8 temporary hit points all the way down to zero. Because of the failed save, my maximum hp I could have would be like -3. Even if I passed my death saving throws, my character would have died. Another character also died from it, the other two characters had their max hp drop to 1 and 4, respectively.
Rest easy, Elric
I'm stealing that shadow infestation plot
Me too, definitely
B-b-but busting makes me feel good...
I haven’t yet watched the video and Ngl I’m rly hoping there’s some context to this
A ghost can still age you like 4d10 years on failed save against one of it's abilities.
TJ Brooks one more reason I like playing the longer lived races.
"So maybe we DO have something to fear with Ghosts."
LoL, takes it all back.
You really touched the things that makes many of the incorporeal undead so dangerous: Life Drain, Incorporeal Movement, and their ability to multiply. Whereas the "zombie apocalypse" of modern pop culture can be stopped by a door, Wraiths, Spectres and Shadows are not. They essentially ignore the map. In doing so, they bring the risk of not only ending a party member without warning, but attacking in a full 360 degrees (from through ceilings, floors, walls, etc.)...and perhaps making more of themselves in the process.
Even some corporeal undead share some of these features. Wights also have a Life Drain, and then create Zombies from the slain. That, in of itself, would be a nightmare to deal with even without the ghost-like undead.
To be honest, it's a wonder any fantasy world with a SINGLE Shadow, Spectre, or Wight isn't overrun in other Shadows, Spectres and Zombies. Like a disease, they do not sleep or rest, and have no understanding of borders or rules. They just destroy everything in the path to make more of themselves. Horrifying.
You took the words right out of my mouth. I tend to think that the presence of even a single Shadow or Wraith would be a BIG DEAL. Something like Orcus, or even a Shadow Dragon, creating hordes of the incorporeal undead? Time to kiss that world goodbye expect for the high-level characters who can escape or keep their immediate environs safe.
James Davis I believe the single word that describes it is this: apocalyptic.
+Mike Gould that would definitely describe what I did with Faerun in the last two campaigns I set there.
I choked on my drink when he said "why we 'aint afraid of no ghosts".
There are a lot of folk magics that you could incorporate into a d&d world when dealing with ghosts. Draw from all sorts of sources.
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A shadow infestation is my current arc for my campaign. My players find it both fun and terrifying. Highly recommend.
Sounds like a fun game. It's a campaign scenario I've wanted to play out for awhile now.
how do you know it's a poltergeist??...you find a little girl sitting in front of a crystal ball saying.."They're heeerre"
I'm playing through my first campaign and one of the first things we ran into was about 5 shadows. We're playing on Roll20 so we saw that they sapped strength and it freaked us out. Unfortunately, our group had about 3 people with negative strength modifiers AND our cleric's spells were on the fritz so we had to rely on halved damage and two uses of divine smite. We did pretty well, but I think creatures that target stats are the most frightening.
Sounds like a fun fight! What class/level characters were you playing?
We were all level 2 (milestone progression). Had a War Cleric, Fighter, Bard, Paladin and I was the Rogue. We've run into vampires, gricks, werewolves, animated armors, etc.
Yeah, that sounds rough. Hopefully you'll be able to stick together and play smart to get some more levels under your belts. Good luck!
Thanks :)
don't ghosts still age you in 5th edition?
working on a high level campaign where 9ish generals of orcus are running amok over a huge area and the party seal team six's in and tries to take them down 1by 1 shadow of mordor style
The Shadow infestation idea reminds me of TES Daggerfall
Every time I see a notification from this channel it makes me have a smile while I drink my morning coffee. Keep up the good work guys, you both make some quality, entertaining content.
Mornings are for coffee and contemplation...of D&D.
This helps -- I've been converting old 1970s-80s adventures to 5th ed but I see I need to take a closer look at how these undead differ from their 1st ed versions
Love the video! Could you all do one based around creatures as playable characters (like goblins, kobolds, or troglodytes)??
I'll add it to the list! Thanks for the input.
Patrick Harkins and ghosts. I found it was a bit difficult to set up the character sheet. And yes it is a playable sub-race
7:13 that sounds basically like the plot of Diablo II! That would make a great campaign!
Coincidently, WotC already released a Diablo II supplement for D&D 3e years ago. Even had the item properties mechanic based on prefix + suffix.
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Just finished up an adventure involving some incorporeal undead-- this gave some cool perspective in how to utilize the production of the different strains of incorporeal being in a campaign setting. I could totally see some higher-leveled adventurers trekking through an ancient Elven forest haunted by Banshees. Keep up the good work.
Will do! Stay tuned!
We got a Tavern in Dragon heist and there’s a poltergeist there. Rather than fighting it I made friends with him and hired him as a tavern keep.
One of my favourite D&D channels! Great content and quality!
We aim to please!
Your vids on creatures are always a blast to watch and inspire creativity. Thanks for the work you guys do.
Appreciate it! I could talk about monsters all day!
I think the origins of spectres are particularly terrifying. It is not just death, but having ones' soul stripped of purpose, identity, sanity and the ability to cross over, and being condemned to roam the dark places of the material plane where its only purpose is to inflict its agony on others and create more of its kind.
Destroying a spectre would be an act of mercy, as you are freeing it from its horrid existence.
There was a mean 'Get off my lawn' guy on our street when I was a kid. I bet he's a wraith now.
Also kinda makes we want to do an evil/undead campaign or session where players have to investigate the un-haunted house.
I like it! A bunch of PC ghosts, zombies, etc. have to prepare a house because it's campaign season and the adventurers are coming...
Another great episode, guys. Loved the Dueling Ectoplasms at the beginning!
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This gives me ideas for a resurgence of my first campaign. There was a shadow already in the dungeon that the party ignored and ran from. Then a 2nd party had an insane guy who basically turned into Sweeney Todd in that dungeon and slaughtered the town's folk. I think I may have the shadows spread soon for my current party to lay to rest and resolve from the past.
This video was a big help!
This is good material for exotic monsters in roguelikes. Thanks!
Love this show!
the color in darkness is basically the ghost of a man who wanted to be a bigger better man in life lol
Ghost dragons, what about ghost dragons? The most horrifyingly overpowered incorporeals out there in the older systems.
Does the fizban's version stand up to the one from prior editions?
Man i'm using the shadow as a familiar for a Dhampir Wizard
(Sorry for commenting again, an idea struck me)
Wouldn't a battlefield be littered with ghosts? I'm kind of thinking like in the Witcher 3 when you stumble into a battlefield and it's infested with ghouls and the like.
I've now got the idea of a Necromancer BBEG trying to cause a war to feed his army of undead or to capture and twist existing undead to his will...
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Ghosts, specters, and revenants definitely. Ghouls as well. I'd imagine there are elaborate societal customs/rules surrounding what to do with a battlefield after the fighting has stopped. Local priest and clerics of all sorts, but especially War and Death, might arrive to make sure the angry dead don't arise. Funeral rites must be performed to put the spirits at ease, guards posted to ensure ghouls don't show up, and locals arriving to help dig mass graves. This is on top of the usual dangers associated with battlefields - unscrupulous looters, disease, environmental damage, and deserters. In places with endemic warfare, the undead might become a problem very quickly (much like Velen).
Comment all you want! That's a good idea!
thank you!
This reminded me of a part of "Court of Swords" a DnD game here on TH-cam and Twitch
I want to make a Witch castle with restless spirits of adventurer's stuck there , this video came out right in time ;)
Keep up the great work
Glad we could help! Let us know how it turns out.
Yea, I run 3.5 and ghosts are absolutely terrifying
Story of Three Brothers that had to fight an elemental fire giant. Two of the Brothers gave up their lives and join with the most talented one. The Three Became as One !
Lvl 4 Party is venturing a deadly forest, roll Snake eyes on survival eyes. a banshee and 3 will-o-wisps... HAVE FUN :D
my favorite incorperal undead has to be the wraith personally. hateful undead that lives a bad life and becomes an energy stealer. they steal your levels and are cool. people are like that in real life ha they make you mad when they hirt you and reduce your ability to love, but you can let your anger out and get your levels back lol
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Funny how Will o' Wisps were said to intentionally lure travelers to their deaths, into bogs or cliffs and such. Turns out, it's just deceased spirits who died the same way, repeating an endless cycle of "Whoops, wrong way...dead".
Imagine just a massive cloud of Will o' Wisps building up over time, because nobody was watching their step. And because the cloud keeps getting bigger, more and more people come to see what it is.
Not a bad sidequest.
Another amazing episode, two thumbs up 👍🏼👍🏼 I have a request though. Recently, I've benen fascinated by the idea of cloud rays, Sky whales, and kindoris. I'd love to see how you guys would implement them / deal with them in a campaign. Could you please feature them in an episode some time? That'd be awesome
I will put them on the list! Appreciate the support!
One year later, and no Sky Whales. This is like when you said, "It's "Peanut Butter Jelly Time", but it wasn't.
The type of ghost that comes back when you take an arrow to the knee
For a creature combo I have a pair of shadows and a Gelatinous cube in one section of a dungeon. The Shadows drain strength, and then the cube engulfs the weakened party member.
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We'll get there! Spread the word and stay tuned!
This channel was made in february 2015 so it's fairly young. 7 000 subscribers in 18 months is actually very impressive growth. Great work guys!
We've picked up a lot of steam in the last couple of months. It's exiting seeing the channel grow.
Thought you'd like some ideas.
I like listening to them while playing other games.
or listening to DnD vids in general.
A question comes to mind to me while listening to this video...
How long should time pass before this (ghost variant) manifests?
They speak in the video as though if commoner/person dies (x) way, they spawn that ghost.
But it sorta just feels 'weird' to me... As if 24 hours should pass atleast, or it'll spawn at night.
Afterall, lets say your party is hot on the trail of that necromancer who is murdering village after villager in a specific manner to create them ghost types.
They arrive to a freshly destroyed village. they decide to rest for the night
it was eerie, and quiet, a dense fog rolls in.
Thats when the ghost start to rise from the place of the corpses.
A possible furious storm of undead wails would be in the most densely populated area of where they died, town hall, or inside homes, etc.
This could bring up a few intresting ideas to my mind...
1: party now has to deal with a "ghost" (im referring to ALL of them as ghosts, easier for typing) infested town, putting them all to rest.
2: party clears out their surrounding area, and then rests /or/ party clears path out of town and leaves immidiately.
3: Party stays within their home, no ghosts happened to die or spawn inside where they rest. They may have to do saving throws from hearing the ghostly wails all night long.
Possibly a saving through for 'maddness' and for 'no rest' (afterall, some party members may just find it to diffacult to sleep with all the noise out there)
but yeah, there is my own personal ideas from this video to toss at you. c:
Hey guys, any chance that we could see a fully lycanthropy themed episode? Including the Wereravens of Ravenloft
Already on the list. Stay Tuned!
Hype! ^_^
There is a supreme lack of Undead for CR's - 6 - 12
Sad Tyrant just gotta make one mane
I tend to disagree :P -Ghosts possess people and turn your party on themselves- You do mention this later in the video heh.. Guess I should watch the whole thing first before commenting >:3 One guy in my group TPK'd his own party because he was possessed and not enough WIS to free himself from it lol (Killed everyone and then killed himself).
Speaking of earlier editions of the game. I miss spec'd Enervation Sorcerers. ya know by level 17 if you've taken the right feats you'd be draining 6 levels with each casting (Maximized + Empowered spell) and with great enough spell penetration (and no save on the spell) ya know, you're f***in sh*t up. Should also compliment with Bestow Curse hehehe...
Edit: Plus love your guys's show ^_^ keep it up *thumbs up*
Appreciate the support.
Yeah, I miss the Enervation spells as well. In truth, I miss level draining as a whole.
Would you guys PLEASE do an episode on immunities to nonmagical items? I've always thought it was weird that a normal sword could not hurt, say a wraith, but a +2 sword slices right through it.
I think that works, vampires on the other hand. Why aren't at least vampire spawn able to hurt by silver?
I personally go the supernatural route where you have to find and destroy the body if you don't have a magic weapon and you can use salt to exorcize them and keep them at bay and iron can use to banish them for a little while
Wraiths used to drain levels with every hit. At 0 level you're dead and turn into a wraith if memory serves me correctly.
So I was running a game of Out of the Abyss and they were in Blingdenstone. They had to take out a specter and it was a boring encounter, so I tried poltergeist, but it felt like oh, its just invisible.
so I ran a Poltergeist/Supernatural type of ghost. I had it attached to it's corpse that had to be destroyed, and it was hidden, and until it was, anything within its range (I gave it the whole house it lived in) it could just throw things and people and do all ghost stuff, and had a vortex That would grab debris and throw it around, meaning a dex save at the start of each turn or take damage and get knocked prone.
Who know what evil lurks in the hearts of nerds? :)
Watching this and even hearing you say poltergeist hurt my soul.
As of today, RIP Tobe Hooper ;\
I now this is an old video... but shadows aren't undead "spirits" like ghosts, specters, poltergeister, wraiths and so on, which are humanoid creatures' unresting spirits. Shadows are the literal shadow of such creatures come to life. They are more like nightshades (e. g. Nightwalkers) and lack the Incorporeal Movement trait which all of the "spirit" type creatures have. In fact, a humanoid can be raised from the dead even if its shadow has become an undead shadow. So I wouldn't put them in the same category.
It should almost be that, if they get you to 0 they take control over your body, with 1 hit point but if your teamate hit you, you now have to death save
Shadow infestation campaign = Fable 3 storyline!
I thought that was the one with the French Revolution inspired plot?
*SPOILER* (if there's still anyone out there who both not yet played and have the intention to) Yeah, but the underlying plot is shadow demons invasion, which makes the initial scene (hard decisions) take all its purpose!
If you want to put the fear of Ghosts and Shadows and other undead into your new players have them run through The Death House from Curse of Strahd. Our party narrowly escaped wiping a few times to those incorporeal bastards.
We're gonna start CoS soon. I can't wait.
I hear it's pretty rough. Not sure if our DM will use it, but I'm definitely playing a Devotion Paladin in CoS.
+James Davis I'm waffling between Life Cleric and Bladesinger.
+JPruInc Nice. I play a Tempest Cleric with 1 level of Fighter in our Adventure League games here and he is currently in Barovia. He found his faith in the midst of a harrowing Death House experience. Clerics really do shine in CoS.
Imagine a dragon ghost whos breath weapon does nwcrotic damage and reduces your hp maximum
You fool, some dm might see this.
Anyone else disappointed about the lack of Ghostbusters-jokes in this episode? ;-)
There were enough 'show why we ain't afraid of no ghost,' 'rather than bust it, maybe help it...' and 'maybe we _do_ have something to be afraid of?'
Can you do an episode on mundane weapons and properties?
Did you guys see the video JonTron released on D&D the other day? I'm pretty sure you'd enjoy it. Neither of you look old enough to have been around for the hysteria surrounding the game when it released, it's a pretty funny look back at that.
Hysteria is alive and well in NC, I've had trouble with this sort of thing.
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lol really? they think you're summoning devils or something?
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+Aj Koorstra That we were "consorting with Demons and practicing magic"
... Idiots man, I swear.
I haven't seen the video, but I experienced some of the fallout from the D&D hysteria as a teenager. My parents didn't want me playing D&D because of its reputation. Instead I started playing Warhammer (hardly any better from a demonic imagery standpoint) and WEG Star Wars. D&D came much later for me, namely when I could drive myself to the store and buy books with my own money.
oh cool. So I was DMing my campaign and my players were keeping a kingdom safe while buying supplies and other random stuff they get into. While they did that my big bad boy lich sent out shadows to destroy the kingdom on the inside to weaken defences for an easy take over. The changling wizard was the first to see them in person as he witnessed a shadow hanging over the dead body of a commoner in a back ally. They tried their best and I kept track of the numbers and it eventually got really noticeable that the druids and dryads started to notice a few wandering their forests nearby the kingdom. So of course the npcs got really concerned and now complaints are coming through to the king. eventually the party finds out that one of the commoners went bad $%&# crazy and was summoning more in the name of the lich. They took him down easily and ended up killing him. but it was too late.... the liches army was moving towards the kingdom and with its resources low from the shadow attacks, what was ment to be a fight to defend was a fight for survival. the party would have died if it weren't for the wizard and cleric....
PS: this was my 1st campaign I created and was learning how cr worked... after this I would be called a war gm, even now I still have this title and im working on trying to fix that with the campaign im currently DMing.
I actually did this campaign before with the shadows. I used the pre prepared game "The Rise of Ravencravik" by u/famoushippopotomous on reddit and had a ton of fun with it.
There's a word for this: Shadowpocalypse. It turns up on forums all the time as an example of how D&D doesn't work-if shadows exist, worlds die.
It's been a concept I've dwelled on since I first saw someone work out the math for long it would take in 3e for shadows to take over. That was about 10 years ago or so, maybe longer.
But you must not forget that D&D is also a world in which fifth level clerics (in 5 ed) can destroy Shadows with their Turn Undead. But yeah, if their is no priest around, the situation will get out of hand really quickly.
My distribution of the classes and levels in a typical D&D world tends towards the low end of 3e's world-building mechanics. Yes, a 5th level cleric can handle a minor shadow infestation in multiple ways, but how many 5th+ level clerics are there in the world? 50? 1000? In my homebrew world, most NPCs top out at 8-10 level. Other worlds routinely have epic-level NPCs moving about the world. Most of these questions aren't usually relevant to the game, but they are fun to think about.
Any chance of a video on genies, genesis,and other elemental monster?
That's on the list. Keep watching!
I haven't actually used any incorpeal undead... May need to change that.
Could you guys consider doing a video on Formians? (are those even in 5th edition?)
ayy
You mean the ant-centaurs found on Arcadia? I suppose we could. Been thinking about a lawful-themed creatures episode with Modron and Inevitables so Formians would fit in.
Give a party a magic torch in a crypt?
So my question is, what happens to a ghost's spirit after you slay it?
Is that just another way to release it to the afterlife? It the spirit just vanquished forever? Is the spirit banished to some other plane?
Maybe it's a temporary solution? Like the ghosts essence is just sorta scattered for a few months/year until they are able to reconvene and reform?
So you're telling me that ghosts in earlier editions were basically a demon we pray we never see in a campaign?
Yes, literally pray it way, cleric for the win
Is there a way to make a shadow that kills only evil aligned beings? Also using illusions can I cause a villain npc to kill themselves or die in such a way that he/she becomes a ghost and kills or that will disturb the living area of the baddies?
You just did!
What if a player just dies tragically? How could he remain as ghost or revenant? What would the penalties/advantages be?
Can you do a top 5 campaigns and a worst 5
you guys are inside a giant d20
and great videos
+Dick Heiney Yes we are and thanks for noticing!
So which incorporeal undead is a result of a tragic or unjust death?
I believe Ghosts are typically tragic. 'Unjust' deaths is typically for Revenants (which are corporeal), while the other incorporeal undead are typically created from violent deaths (some of them specifically from the deaths of evil creatures) and/or being killed by another undead creature - is that what you meant by 'unjust?'
The grid map on the table, where did you guys get that?
It's an old Crystal Caste battle map. Squares on one side, hexes on the other. Not my favorite mat as the grid side has a texture on it that makes fully cleaning it impossible. The faded images of old sessions forever haunt the map.
One could even say it's haunted by ghosts of campaigns passed...
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The next video should be werwolves
Dinosaurs in d&d 5e
What are Beasts to turn into with Polymorph? I'll take Bonus Actions for $400.
+James Davis lol
+James Davis And it's our first Video Daily Double. Jim what will you wager?
would you guys get into legal trouble if you incorporated pictures from the Monster Manual for each creature you describe while you are describing them?
just an inquiry.
keep up the great work; you guys have "Crit"ed each video so far :)
Possibly, I'm not sure what fair usage policies there are for those images, if any at all.
I would love to put together a "Shadow over Innsmouth" campaign. The party has to take a detour through a coastal city whose inhabitants are secretly worshiping Dagon and mixing their blood and crossbreeding with his spawn. And the party needs to survive and escape/ or be brave enough to face the full force of the armies of Dagon.
Wait, was that a Gangsters Paradise reference ?
Well, the Valley of shadows and death is also a well knowned psalm of the bible.
I want to think that it is a nod to Coolio though ;)
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why'd you change your shirt
Getting concerned about censorship on TH-cam, where else do you post??
In my campaign I have a disease called The Rot. It slowly destroys a persons constitution, and when they die, I roll a d20, and depending on the roll, they come back as a certain kind of Undead. Shadows are the most prominent outcome, and it was glorious to see the look on the Barbarians face when the person he just cut in half came back as a shadow and took down its strength from 20, to 16, in one hit.
What about Ghouls? :/
There not Incorporeal
They can't go through walls